Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
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adam2046 wrote:
I wont be arounf for a little while, if anyone wants to lynch poor little defensless me (SFG) please don't.
You'll make me cryyyyyy T.T
watadam2046 wrote:
Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
well i suppose i am a bit suspicious because when you were mafia last game i couldnt tell that you were at ALL. i think it might have been nardi that pointed a FOS at adam or maybe the FOS wa-oh fuck it let me go find the post
yeah 0_o pointed a FOS at adam and nardi and i chose adam.
also im lol'ing about how you guys are trying to pick apart logic that doesn't exist @_@ also im sick of vote-hopping which is why i havent changed it
yeah 0_o pointed a FOS at adam and nardi and i chose adam.
also im lol'ing about how you guys are trying to pick apart logic that doesn't exist @_@ also im sick of vote-hopping which is why i havent changed it
Hey, I'm not the one claiming doctor.
were you not listening when i said that the reason i dont want strager lynched is that B/C HE CLAIMED DOCTOR i dont want to risk lynching an aux on day 1
That was @ strager not you, you ninja'd me.
adam2046 wrote:
Hey, I'm not the one claiming doctor.
watadam2046 wrote:
Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
EDIT: Ignore this (see adam's last post =X).
I don't get it...
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adam2046 wrote:
I don't get it...
Are you two referring to my wat post? If so I'll explain.Echo wrote:
Neither do I.
revote strager
First he says "don't kill me, SFG" (in more words) then accuses me of "pointing out her" as a way to "allay suspicion from me." That is, he did what he told me not to do.
The second wat post was a mistake; I was being stupid then. xD
Ok, you can kill me now (no don't) didn't take as long as I expected.
Echo, why are you voting for strager after specifically stating that Day 1 was a bad time to lynch an important aux claim?
Read part one of my monster post (link).Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Echo, why are you voting for strager after specifically stating that Day 1 was a bad time to lynch an important aux claim?
no, i get that he suspects that you arent doctor but not why hes violating a "basic principle" he set out in a different mafia game. THAT is what i want him to explain.
In my mind all Echo was really doing was hinting to to strager that if he was the real doctor he should unclaim or not claim at all, because strager has continued I think Echo may have come to the conclusion that strager is a wolf.
...At least that's my analysis of the situation.
...At least that's my analysis of the situation.
I didn't get that at all from Echo. =Xadam2046 wrote:
In my mind all Echo was really doing was hinting to to strager that if he was the real doctor he should unclaim or not claim at all, because strager has continued I think Echo may have come to the conclusion that strager is a wolf.
...At least that's my analysis of the situation.
But the deed is done and I'm not going back on my word.
I have these suspicion percentages (0 - definitely Townie; 100 - definitely Mafia; 50 - undecided):
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
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So everyone is 40% mafia.strager wrote:
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
Lynch me~!strager wrote:
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
Basically what adam said - I'm pretty sure that strager is not doctor, which is why I'm voting him.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Echo, why are you voting for strager after specifically stating that Day 1 was a bad time to lynch an important aux claim?
Right. =X0_o wrote:
OK, could you PLEASE explain why I am the second most suspicious person for BELIEVING and DEFENDING you? It seems like if you were the doctor then you wouldn't find me wanting to keep you alive so much suspicious...
But that doesn't matter now because I'm more concerned about getting a known Mafia lynched.
My opinions will likely change as more things come about.
What?Echo wrote:
So everyone is 40% mafia.strager wrote:
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
I'll ignore that, just as I ignored adam's.Echo wrote:
Lynch me~!strager wrote:
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
But you have to assume I am a Mafia otherwise you'd be killing a Townie. (Just to mention.)Echo wrote:
Basically what adam said - I'm pretty sure that strager is not doctor, which is why I'm voting him.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Echo, why are you voting for strager after specifically stating that Day 1 was a bad time to lynch an important aux claim?
I have decided to do something I said I wouldn't do.
Unvote
Unvote
More backwards trickiness from strager.strager wrote:
But you have to assume I am a Mafia otherwise you'd be killing a Townie. (Just to mention.)
My thinking leads me to believe you're mafia which THEN results in my lynch vote.
You're saying I'm voting to lynch you which THEN makes me try to push the idea you're mafia? o.O
WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
*head is spinning*
*head is spinning*
Actually when proofreading this I noticed you may have gotten me wrong on the sequence of events.
Actually when proofreading this I noticed I was compeletely misunderstanding your statement.
Actually I think I'll just remove that part about me trying to make you understand based of my own misunderstandings of what you misunderstand.
ANYWAY, it's gone now and here's what I really need to say.
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I realized now that when I had four players voting for me, no one jumped on the bandwagon for the lynch. This means one of these:
Both Mafia were on the bandwagon already.
I am a Mafia and the other Mafia may or may not have been on the bandwagon. If he was, he would have certainly jumped off at L-1 and probably at L-2.
One or no Mafia were on the bandwagon and the remaining Mafia could not vote to lynch in time.
I am of course striking off the second and am thinking the first is more likely than the third.
Actually when proofreading this I noticed I was compeletely misunderstanding your statement.
Actually I think I'll just remove that part about me trying to make you understand based of my own misunderstandings of what you misunderstand.
ANYWAY, it's gone now and here's what I really need to say.
No I'm not saying that. I meant that your statement:Echo wrote:
My thinking leads me to believe you're mafia which THEN results in my lynch vote.
You're saying I'm voting to lynch you which THEN makes me try to push the idea you're mafia? o.O
Meant "I'm pretty sure strager is a Mafia, which is why I'm voting for him."Echo wrote:
I'm pretty sure that strager is not doctor, which is why I'm voting him.
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I realized now that when I had four players voting for me, no one jumped on the bandwagon for the lynch. This means one of these:
Both Mafia were on the bandwagon already.
I am a Mafia and the other Mafia may or may not have been on the bandwagon. If he was, he would have certainly jumped off at L-1 and probably at L-2.
One or no Mafia were on the bandwagon and the remaining Mafia could not vote to lynch in time.
I am of course striking off the second and am thinking the first is more likely than the third.
I like it when I run unicow's puffy balls all over my face.Derekku Chan wrote:
WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
*head is spinning*
I bet you do. :> Also you said this 25 minutes too early. I JUST got to that part. XPstrager wrote:
I like it when I run unicow's puffy balls all over my face.Derekku Chan wrote:
WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
*head is spinning*
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ok...
So strager you're almost certain I'm human, so you stuck me at 40% with BagelBob?
So strager you're almost certain I'm human, so you stuck me at 40% with BagelBob?
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It was more of a relative scale than an absolute scale. 40% is more like, "meh, he's acting more of a Townie than a Mafia."adam2046 wrote:
ok...
So strager you're almost certain I'm human, so you stuck me at 40% with BagelBob?
I'm basically thinking aloud and leaving only the first and third option open. (It was also like 03:19 so I was pretty wonky then.)Echo wrote:
I never ever get the point of listing out all the possibilities. Well of course it's one of the three.strager wrote:
I realized now that when I had four players voting for me, no one jumped on the bandwagon for the lynch. This means one of these:
Both Mafia were on the bandwagon already.
I am a Mafia and the other Mafia may or may not have been on the bandwagon. If he was, he would have certainly jumped off at L-1 and probably at L-2.
One or no Mafia were on the bandwagon and the remaining Mafia could not vote to lynch in time.
I am of course striking off the second and am thinking the first is more likely than the third.
Now, if you list only two out of three, for example, and say why the third can't be possible, with evidence, then that's a totally different story.
In the first case I deduce one of these to be a Mafia: adam, SFG, nardi
In the third case I deduce these are probably NOT Mafia (because they didn't jump on the bandwagon): Derekku, 0_o
For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was random and SFG's vote was only somewhat random, as was nardi's. So my suspicions for the latter two are above my suspicions for adam. From that I really can't say much more though.
For the third case, 0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful (and will kill me at night) or genuinely trying to help the town. I'm not foolish enough to denounce the former but based on my observation above he may be a Townie more than a Mafia.
I really don't know what to think of Derekku because he hasn't been doing much from what I can see, really. He could be bad at analysis, not have information to discuss, or is smart enough not to talk because he may leak information. So ... not really sure.
Interestingly this is almost opposite of my previous suspicion list. I believe my thinking then was leaning toward the third case but I didn't reference posts or anything when I wrote it, so it was purely out of feeling.
So I don't know what I should believe. My gut, or my reasoning? Probably my reasoning. (My gut feelings seem to have gotten me burned before, a la Echo's hate of my adam-is-a-Townie conclusion.)
Where does it seem random?strager wrote:
For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was random
Where does it seem random?strager wrote:
and SFG's vote was only somewhat random
Where does it seem random?strager wrote:
as was nardi's.
Where does it seem deceitful?strager wrote:
0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful
Where does he seem helpful?strager wrote:
or genuinely trying to help the town.
The problem, as you adequately put it, is that you "didn't reference posts or anything when I wrote it, so it was purely out of feeling." Feelings can't prove anything.strager wrote:
Probably my reasoning.
"I'll just vote for whoever seems the most suspicious without any evidence."Echo wrote:
Where does it seem random?strager wrote:
For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was randomWhere does it seem random?strager wrote:
and SFG's vote was only somewhat randomWhere does it seem random?strager wrote:
as was nardi's.
Get on my good side then eventually kill me at night.Echo wrote:
Where does it seem deceitful?strager wrote:
0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful
Defend the Doctor.Echo wrote:
Where does he seem helpful?strager wrote:
or genuinely trying to help the town.
You're supporting what I said about the random votes.Echo wrote:
The problem, as you adequately put it, is that you "didn't reference posts or anything when I wrote it, so it was purely out of feeling." Feelings can't prove anything.strager wrote:
Probably my reasoning.
And yes, I do realize I made a mistake in posting that list. Now I posted a pseudolist with some reasoning.
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Votecount 4:
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
adam - 2 (0_o, SFG)
SFG - 1 (BagelBob)
Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Derekku, Strager)
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
adam - 2 (0_o, SFG)
SFG - 1 (BagelBob)
Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Derekku, Strager)
*sigh*
I'm starting to tldr this Echo-strager exchange, it just keeps going and circles and it just feels like it isn't getting anywhere.
Can the people who have not voted please hurry up and make a decision, this is just getting ridiculous...
Sorry if I sound impatient, but honestly, I am
I'm starting to tldr this Echo-strager exchange, it just keeps going and circles and it just feels like it isn't getting anywhere.
Can the people who have not voted please hurry up and make a decision, this is just getting ridiculous...
Sorry if I sound impatient, but honestly, I am
All of this is completely baseless. Could you provide any reasoning at all for these numbers? I realize you say later that you changed your mind, but at this time, what made you choose these numbers? Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia? Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us above 50?strager wrote:
I have these suspicion percentages (0 - definitely Townie; 100 - definitely Mafia; 50 - undecided):
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
This post is full of nothings. First, you say you come to two realizations. Then, you don't post them, and say you'll remove them from your post. Next, you quote Echo and restate his post. In your last section, you present a logical fallacy known as false dichotomy. Those are not the only options, there could have been one voting for you and mafia could have any reasons for voting or not voting for you. With this and all your short posts, it's like your posting without saying anything.
Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.
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SFG is not voting me because of 0_o, I do not find it said anywhere.
The numbers were just to state relative suspicions. nardi is less suspicious than 0_o, for example. I used numbers instead of a simple list to group similarly suspicious people together (the 40%'s) and to point out Echo as a Mafia more than just "most suspicious." Again, looking back it was a pretty dumb thing to do.BagelBob wrote:
All of this is completely baseless. Could you provide any reasoning at all for these numbers? I realize you say later that you changed your mind, but at this time, what made you choose these numbers? Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia? Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us above 50?strager wrote:
I have these suspicion percentages (0 - definitely Townie; 100 - definitely Mafia; 50 - undecided):
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%
These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.
Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.
See my pseudo-raging (link).BagelBob wrote:
Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia?
Actually those first three lines were saying "I totally misread your post so I deleted what I had here before." I thought he was asking me how he voted for me, which kinda confused me so I came back to it later then realized what he meant.BagelBob wrote:
This post is full of nothings. First, you say you come to two realizations. Then, you don't post them, and say you'll remove them from your post.
I could have left those three lines out, but it was so late I wasn't thinking too strait (see all my late-night posts). I should stop posting so late. x_x
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):BagelBob wrote:
Next, you quote Echo and restate his post.
strager wrote:
No I'm not saying that. I meant that your statement:Echo wrote:
More backwards trickiness from strager.strager wrote:
But you have to assume I am a Mafia otherwise you'd be killing a Townie. (Just to mention.)
My thinking leads me to believe you're mafia which THEN results in my lynch vote.
You're saying I'm voting to lynch you which THEN makes me try to push the idea you're mafia? o.OMeant "I'm pretty sure strager is a Mafia, which is why I'm voting for him."Echo wrote:
I'm pretty sure that strager is not doctor, which is why I'm voting him.
Ah, I had not even considered this. I would expect the Mafia to try and kill a Townie as soon as the chance arises. I don't see a reason why they wouldn't so it'd be nice if you could point at least one out.BagelBob wrote:
In your last section, you present a logical fallacy known as false dichotomy. Those are not the only options, there could have been one voting for you and mafia could have any reasons for voting or not voting for you. With this and all your short posts, it's like your posting without saying anything.
No, I already deduced Echo as a Mafia so you can squeeze that info in there if you want.BagelBob wrote:
Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member?
All I meant to say there that one or two of adam, Echo, nardi, and SFG were bandwagonning as a Mafia, not all of them.BagelBob wrote:
In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes?
Where is this "junk about random voting?"BagelBob wrote:
You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting.
And this matters how? I already know this.BagelBob wrote:
Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.
I have to agree here; it's as if you're voting at random with "support" from another player. The number of votes on one's head shouldn't be used as a reason for voting.BagelBob wrote:
SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?
EDIT:
I just went with BagelBob on the above. I'll investigate myself.adam2046 wrote:
SFG is not voting me because of 0_o, I do not find it said anywhere.
EDIT: Here it is (link), at least what I think BagelBob is referring to.