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mosluv
748 posts
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mosluv
Hello! Are there any tips for defeating deathstreams and circles that are really close to each other (coming in fast)? What I usually do is alternate click with mouse (left then right). I get mostly 100's and 50's and some 300's and a lot of misses. D:

Example:


Yay Cyclone. Thanks to whoever replies!
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Tapdancingmetroid
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Try using Z and X on the keyboard. It helps for those sorts of things. ;)
James
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James
depends on the bpm
obviously the higher bpm the faster you press z/x

try playing around with it first.
Cyclone
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Cyclone
Yay me. ^_^

Anyways, i've seen this question asked a LOT. Would it help if i made a video showing the different styles of play available for doing deathstreams, listing pros and cons and such?
mosluv
748 posts
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mosluv
Yes it would really help! As I'm having problems with Z and X D:!

Thank You! :) :) :)
deemo_old
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deemo_old
These "deathstreams" typically come pretty easily to me. Maybe it's from my musical experience. I dunno. In any case, Z and X work better for me for any type of play. I don't usually count the rings or anything, just do it according to the music. Maybe it's also partly because I listen to the song first (If I don't know it) before playing it.
Starrodkirby86
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Starrodkirby86

Nexy wrote:

Yes it would really help! As I'm having problems with Z and X D:!

Thank You! :) :) :)
If you're having problems with Z and X specifically you can always assign new keys. ;x Of course, I don't know if people like that or not...

It's really easy if you can understand the beat and while Z/Xing you maintain a firm grip with the mouse so you can control where that cursor goes. I suppose...

I'll be interested to see what happens here, since this may help me.
Sousei
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Sousei
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mosluv
748 posts
Joined December 2008
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mosluv
Z and X aren't really the issue or assigning new keys. I'm just not good multitasking through the mouse and keyboard. I can only do 1 at a time and I really suck playing with only keyboard. Thanks Sousei :)!
Starrodkirby86
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Start tiny, like don't go with "far" 16th spacing circles there and move out. Or enjoy with those circles that stack on each other, it's a good way to practice on the Z/X method without moving too too much. :3
minyeob
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minyeob
I use Alt(first finger) and `(third finger) when I play the deathstream beatmaps.
James
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James
I just want to say "z/x" since thats the default button for it, making it a "common term" for all.
And imo zx is easier than mouse+click.

dont use zx
lol what do you use? tap and pen click hahahahahah
i know you use zx lol
Sousei
207 posts
Joined May 2008
Sousei
Jiongrzzzz
TAPTAPTAP

yeah i use xz but mostly mouse the faster streams because my xz hand gets tired from that q.QQQQqqqqqq
like 140 + lols

Thanks Sousei :)!
ty sousei
lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
Instead of making a topic for this, would 218 BPM 1/4th note stacks be a little tooo much?
mosluv
748 posts
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mosluv
After practicing for hours, I seem to miss even more with the keyboard ;o. I guess because I'm so use to "feeling the impact" on the circles when I click. If that made any sense... but I'll keep trying I guess, unless there are any more suggestions.
mm201
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mm201
while (!Player.isDead())
{
++deathstream;
}

I dislike the travel time on the Z/X keys, so I just use the two mouse buttons. For sheer fast stacks like on Marisa, you could try doing both Z/X and the mouse buttons at the same time if you can't click fast enough.
James
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James
if you casn do it on keyboard, just stick with mouse clicking.
it would be hard to force yourself to do something that is awkward at first like switching from mouse click to keyboard.

ask Ivalset or something for alt clicking stuffs since hes the only guy i knew who is very good at alternate clicking.
Ivalset
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lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
You also wear your hand out alternate clicking because generally you're pressing down harder trying to keep your mouse from moving.
mosluv
748 posts
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mosluv
I can alternate click pretty easily if the stack has only up to 5-6 and get all 300s. After that, it becomes a bit hard. As Ivalset mentioned, I do have a problem with moving the mouse and clicking if the circles are coming in really fast. I did try mouse + keyboard, yet I just can't get the feel for it. Guess I'll stick with alternate clicking and hope to get better ;o!

@lukewarmholiday: My hands haven't been worn out yet :)!
James
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James
speaking of left click + keyboard button, i tend to do that also since it feels that i can press buttons faster when doing that.
like those stacks at the beginning of kanbu. i tend to press those really slow when using zx.
Ivalset
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Oh yeah, I also forgot, make sure you're not overshooting. Sometimes the rhythm isn't as fast as you think.
An64fan
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An64fan

James wrote:

speaking of left click + keyboard button, i tend to do that also since it feels that i can press buttons faster when doing that.
like those stacks at the beginning of kanbu. i tend to press those really slow when using zx.
I use this with deathstacks and deathstreams too (most stacks though). Except I use C and a tablet tap. :P Steams are tougher for that though. Depending how fast stacks or streams are determines whether I use C/V or C/tap. I almost never use C/tap for anything less than 5 beats, and never for triplets (except Kanbu....).
mosluv
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mosluv
I can finally say with certainty, I'll never get use to this D:<!
Metroid
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nardii
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nardii
I have always used Z/X since i found out about it, and think it's much easier. But that's probably from playing lots of Guitar Hero, I think trills (quick alternating between two notes) are also the reason why I use my middle finger as 'primary' finger.
Lesjuh
Elite Mapper
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Lesjuh
Practice.
nuudles
iPhone Dev
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Gabi
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Gabi
i used to play with the mouse. then i switched over to z/x. i couldn't even hold them down for spinners. it took some time to get used to z x but yea it's worth it imo because some streams feels like they are impossible with mouse ^^
anonymous_old
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Gabi wrote:

i used to play with the mouse. then i switched over to z/x. i couldn't even hold them down for spinners. it took some time to get used to z x but yea it's worth it imo because some streams feels like they are impossible with mouse ^^
Same here.

Switching to the keyboard has been great. My only issue now is jumps (especially those jumps which go left-right-left-right quickly, and up or down, or at whatever angle... yanno) on the keyboard, which I was much better at with the mouse.

I do hold my mouse button down while spinning, though, mostly to keep my mouse gripped better. (I'm a wild spinner.)
Derekku
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Derekku

An64fan wrote:

James wrote:

speaking of left click + keyboard button, i tend to do that also since it feels that i can press buttons faster when doing that.
like those stacks at the beginning of kanbu. i tend to press those really slow when using zx.
I use this with deathstacks and deathstreams too (most stacks though). Except I use C and a tablet tap. :P Steams are tougher for that though. Depending how fast stacks or streams are determines whether I use C/V or C/tap. I almost never use C/tap for anything less than 5 beats, and never for triplets (except Kanbu....).
This is what I do. I alternate tablet taps with z or x. If I actually had a mouse for my laptop, I would probably alternate z and x, though :)
ktgster
Elite Mapper
483 posts
Joined November 2008
ktgster
you could use zx for streams and for normal circle is mouse.
Try doing this map

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/20968

you have to use mouse but you can use the keyboard for practice , its not that hard,try it
abalee
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abalee

Sousei wrote:

Jiongrzzzz
it's 囧rz XD

i use zx to tap steams,and i will adjust my taping speed while playing ;)
Hanyuu
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Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
i also use 2 keyboard buttons and in a long stream i watch my mouse carefully - i often move faster than the steam and make a miss ><
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
Am I alone in the thought that deathstreams are exceedingly cheap and a really poor mapping utility?

Maybe it's because I still suck at the osu, but I can just not find anything appealing about mashing the surface of my mouse like an idiot just to get to bits of a song that are actually worth the effort..
Layola_old
51 posts
Joined February 2009
Layola_old
^As said in previous posts. Use Z/X for streams if you are having a hard time.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
Easier said than done, especially since I only discovered z/x yesterday..

But even then you're still playing tap-fu, just with the keyboard instead of the mouse which is only slightly easier.
Layola_old
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Layola_old
Of course it will be hard if you're just starting out. Practice makes perfect ;o!
anonymous_old
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ToRMeNToR_84
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ToRMeNToR_84
I ALWAYS use Z/X no matter the situation.

My trick for long streams is tapping my foot to the tempo of the song at the same time as hitting Z/X. Usually the way it works is, There should be 4 Hit circles between each time you tap your foot to the tempo.

So it goes like this:

FT = Foot Tap
# = hit circles
Z/X = Keys Z and X


FT-------------FT-------------FT-------------FT-------------FT-------------FT-------------FT-------------FT-----------
-1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
-Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X - Z - X

I'm not sure if this illustration makes any sense to anyone but for some reason I can get through most streams this way.

If you have trouble tapping with your foot, try counting 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 to the tempo in your head repeatedly during the stream in question and alternate click 4 times on Z/X between each number you count.

That's my trick to beating those damn streams.
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
lol nice technique i try it XD
Gabi
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Gabi

Ivalset wrote:

Oh yeah, I also forgot, make sure you're not overshooting. Sometimes the rhythm isn't as fast as you think.
QFT. very important to keep in mind. being able to control the speed of clicking/pushing your keys is the way to 300 a whole stack.


Hanyuu wrote:

i also use 2 keyboard buttons and in a long stream i watch my mouse carefully - i often move faster than the steam and make a miss ><
QFTx2
Kennjin
16 posts
Joined July 2009
Kennjin
How about using the X button and the mouse X) ?
Doomsday
Featured Artist
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Doomsday

Kennjin wrote:

How about using the X button and the mouse X) ?
its probably possible after some practice, but z+x or left + right mouse muttons would seem much easier to get used to

i know some people do play like that though
MegaManEXE
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Randy96
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Randy96
I use left and right clicks only, and I turn out fine for streams. :)
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
Same here, but still perfer jumps
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
how do you get faster? 160 BPM looks like the limit for me.. to 300 all
anonymous_old
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Hanyuu wrote:

how do you get faster? 160 BPM looks like the limit for me.. to 300 all
Practice. A LOT.

I know it sounds like something obvious, but it works.

Play 200~215 BPM with one key. Play 165~175 BPM with two keys. Dare to take on 175+ BPM with two keys.

A small list of training maps:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7305
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/3861
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/8675
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36077
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/25903
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36601
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4132
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24733
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/21010
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24555
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/29179
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24595
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/20349
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36354
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/28366
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/34051
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24548
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/29912
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/17906
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/26727
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/24539
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/26436
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1147
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/16266
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/22993
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36952
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/313
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/31819
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/37810

When you get tired, stop playing for a while. You don't want to damage yourself for good!

Also, if you get tense, try relaxing during a break. Stay relaxed as long as you can while still playing effectively.
Matty
21 posts
Joined July 2008
Matty

Tapdancingmetroid wrote:

Try using Z and X on the keyboard. It helps for those sorts of things. ;)
You can use z and x as well!? o_o

Thanks, I was also having difficulty with these things and wasn't really getting better at the game.
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