have considered it a few times in the past but goddamn, cognitive dissonance finally got the best of me
it's always been funny to see ppl get so offended by the word
it's always been funny to see ppl get so offended by the word
yeah that's a given but the offense that ppl take when simply hearing the word "vegan" I've found to be much funnierNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I mean there's the stereotype.
the "real food" folks are particularly dumb lmao, I love giving my mom shit for that when she says itroshan117 wrote:
that is something i've always noticed. i'm not sure why people have such a visceral reaction to veganism. especially when they say "i want to eat REAL food". tons of great vegan food out there, and it just makes them come off as closed-minded picky eaters
There's a stereotype attached to the whole thing. It has been going around online and it has been subject of mockery since 2015-2016. Either you're ragebaiting now or you are one of those people.roshan117 wrote:
that is something i've always noticed. i'm not sure why people have such a visceral reaction to veganism. especially when they say "i want to eat REAL food". tons of great vegan food out there, and it just makes them come off as closed-minded picky eaters
Yeah, it's associated with annoying people.Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I mean there's the stereotype.
it's true that your diet is harder (like you're removing a big chunk of foods you can eat), but I think the health concerns are overblown, mainly just people hating vegans due to the perception of them being annoying or anything and trying to find something they can attack them on, the "when everyone finally starts to dislike the person you had a bad feeling about all along" effect. (not to mention that hate against vegans was in many ways has been politicized and a lot of hate torwards vegans are also just straight up politics). It's very much possible to live a healthy life with a vegan diet if you know what you're doing.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Being vegan isn't good for your health you'll miss essential nutriments, and have to consume chemical/medical crap to compensate
it's harder to get all your nutrients vegan than on a non-vegan diet, but it is definitely possible to do so without having to consume supplements.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Being vegan isn't good for your health you'll miss essential nutriments, and have to consume chemical/medical crap to compensate
thats weirdYmir wrote:
I love Sashimi, Salmon in particular. In fact, I usually have it without the soy sauce.
this is the "eat REAL food" sentiment masquerading as concern, complete with the stereotypical lack of scientific literacy that I generally expect from other americans, which I'm going to ignore due to the standard appeal to nature thing, and also the following:Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Being vegan isn't good for your health you'll miss essential nutriments, and have to consume chemical/medical crap to compensate
Corne2Plum3 wrote:
nutriments
but yeah, vitamin b12 and d are the two main nutriCorne2Plum3 wrote:
chemical/medical crap
the change in diet is one of two main reasons why I'm going vegan, it necessarily requires more concerted effortPolyspora wrote:
So yeah go ahead, have fun. But don’t act pretentious about it and take the diet seriously (frequent medical checks to see if you’re doing alright)
I honestly hate dairy milk lmao, unless it's butter or cheese. vegan cheese mostly still sucks and it's expensive so there's rly no reason for me to buy it. sorbet is better than ice creamAshton wrote:
The hardest part for me will probably be giving up whole milk, since I basically hate all the alternatives. I love me a creamy latte, ice cream, etc..
dairy milk hater spotted yippee <3xch00F wrote:
I honestly hate dairy milk lmao, unless it's butter or cheese. vegan cheese mostly still sucks and it's expensive so there's rly no reason for me to buy it. sorbet is better than ice creamAshton wrote:
The hardest part for me will probably be giving up whole milk, since I basically hate all the alternatives. I love me a creamy latte, ice cream, etc..
try being vegetarianAshton wrote:
I think B12 are the only nutrients that you lack with a well rounded vegan diet, but in our day and age that's easy enough to get through supplements and the money you save from meat can be siphoned into that. It's available at practically any chain grocery store...
I have also toyed with going vegan. I think it's not the taste of meat that I miss but rather the associated flavorings (my favorite meat dish is ginger beef, but it's more so for the ginger sauce than for the beef itself, for example). Plain meat with no seasonings tastes pretty neutral to gross for me personally, so I honestly see it more as a vehicle to get flavors I want than as the primary reason I like a dish.
The hardest part for me will probably be giving up whole milk, since I basically hate all the alternatives. I love me a creamy latte, ice cream, etc..
presumably the premise is moreso that there's such an attachment to meat to the extent that some people seem to not be able to view it as "just" stopping, nor would they equate meat-replacement with apple-replacement(?,, that might be the wrong interpretation from me but idk what this was meant to illustrate so i hope that's expanded on later) in any wayxch00F wrote:
you're not replacing anything, you just stop eating meat
when was the last time you ate an apple
ah, understood :)xch00F wrote:
not a direction comparison lol, it's difficult to drop an entire category of food ofc, I'm still struggling with it and have to catch myself out. the sentiment of "replacing" that category with an imitation is silly imo
yeah, it's likeAchromalia wrote:
also can sympathize w viewing it as silly, not on account of dismissing an attachment or the personal element of it (doubtful you necessarily mean that, i wouldnt be insinuating that) so much as the general idea of believing that some food Must Necessarily Systematically Be Imitated in order to bear the change of not eating it
definitely eat more fruits and vegetables. the greatest thing about them is that you don't even need to cook them (well, most of them), just grab em and stuff em in ur mouthWinnyace wrote:
I wish you luck on your endeavours OP. I'm personally trying to add more veggies in my diet too, but I doubt I will drop meat entirely. I'm striving for a balance between everything.
Unlike scyla this guy is 100% serious, his post history is... interesting.Polyspora wrote:
what the fuck
is that the new scyla
I'm autistic and I have no fucking clue what that has to do with going on a carnivore dietNeigdoig wrote:
I am not really built for a vegan diet, as there's scientific evidence proving that it causes health problems. For examples, the toxins occurring naturally in plants cause health problems over time, which also leads to one's quality of life declining on a vegan diet, even if they seem to have been built for one.
To counteract this, and potentially fix my brain fog, I'm going on carnivore for 90 days to see if that fixes anything. I have a sneaking suspicion it will given the scientific evidence I had read myself. Otherwise, vegan or vegetarian diets do not work for me (I tried it, and fixed one health issue, but replaced it with another). The fact that I have autism is another reason why I'm going carnivore.
he's made some very interesting posts on ffr's forums too, here's one of my personal favs:Karmine wrote:
Unlike scyla this guy is 100% serious, his post history is... interesting.Polyspora wrote:
what the fuck
is that the new scyla
funny to see the stereotypical toxic mentality of "you can just work through your mental illness bro" juxtaposed with gluten-free and juice cleanse nonsenseNugdoig wrote:
I believe tackling mental illness is simple:
Firstly, you may need to change your mindset a little bit. I'm a Messianic Jew, so this process is the longest.
Secondly, in the meantime, you could change what's on your plate. I don't eat anything with gluten, cow's milk, soy and refined sugar (the sugar part is pretty seldom, but I consume the wrong sweetener by accident sometimes). That, and cleansing parasites twice a year (every 6 months) works pretty well for my needs.
Lastly, and this is my opinion, it's because you're looking for someone to make fun of about almost anything. This for sure messes up some people's minds, so do something productive like music production, creative writing, or anything else productive in this way. I do that, but some of what I do requires communication.
xch00F wrote:
it really is insane to me that people will basically brag about not eating fruits or veggies, especially when it's not an american
but I guess that's our fault anyway, obesity is one of our main exports nowadays
I feel like I have a pretty good personal reason to not eat meat
do y'all have a good personal reason to not eat vegetables too or does it boil down to the typical toddler tantrum of "Ew Veggies Icky Green Beans Bleh"
i doubt that's what was meant at all, although i imagine "the typical toddler tantrum of [ew veggies icky bleh]" doesn't help my interpretation, but i think they're expressing different thingsPolyspora wrote:
Having a protein exclusive diet is not that bad you know…xch00F wrote:
it really is insane to me that people will basically brag about not eating fruits or veggies, especially when it's not an american
but I guess that's our fault anyway, obesity is one of our main exports nowadays
I feel like I have a pretty good personal reason to not eat meat
do y'all have a good personal reason to not eat vegetables too or does it boil down to the typical toddler tantrum of "Ew Veggies Icky Green Beans Bleh"
not a moral equivalency, but I'm not even concerned about morals in the first place, I'm talking about the difference in self-perceived virtues of saying whether you don't eat meat or vegetables. a vegan proudly and sanctimoniously expressing that they don't meat is annoying as hell, we all know that, but generally speaking, we also know why they don't eat meat. people who proudly and sanctimoniously express that they don't eat vegetables and/or fruit often don't say why they don't, and I am genuinely interested in hearing why, because generally speaking, that boils down to personal taste. if a vegetarian/vegan were to say "Ew Meat Icky Fried Chicken Bleh" and that was their sole reason to not eat meat, that would also be childish. political activism is childish too but in a different way.Polyspora wrote:
Having a protein exclusive diet is not that bad you know…
You could use the same childish argument for the opposite
“do y'all have a good personal reason to not eat meat too or does it boil down to the typical toddler tantrum of "owh poor naive animals getting murdered!””
Karmine wrote:
Say you're vegan and people automatically assume you're one of those.
Do you hunt for your food or does it come to you out of fear?Corne2Plum3 wrote:
I eat so few vegetables and fruits IRL that I do think I'm carnivore lol, and I'm going fine (for now at least)
I'm NOT telling you to do this too
WELL DONT FOCKING EAT NIGHTSHADENeigdoig wrote:
I am not really built for a vegan diet, as there's scientific evidence proving that it causes health problems. For examples, the toxins occurring naturally in plants cause health problems over time, which also leads to one's quality of life declining on a vegan diet, even if they seem to have been built for one.
???Polyspora wrote:
thats weirdYmir wrote:
I love Sashimi, Salmon in particular. In fact, I usually have it without the soy sauce.
i would say +1 because this might be closest to my position with it, and because i view this as being far more salient and representative of what's being observedPatatitta wrote:
i'm with xch00F, vegan diet and carnivore diet are NOT comparable from a ethical point of view, vegan is justified and carnivore feels more like counterculture than anything else
I never assumed you were one of thosexch00F wrote:
not a moral equivalency, but I'm not even concerned about morals in the first place, I'm talking about the difference in self-perceived virtues of saying whether you don't eat meat or vegetables. a vegan proudly and sanctimoniously expressing that they don't meat is annoying as hell, we all know that, but generally speaking, we also know why they don't eat meat. people who proudly and sanctimoniously express that they don't eat vegetables and/or fruit often don't say why they don't, and I am genuinely interested in hearing why, because generally speaking, that boils down to personal taste. if a vegetarian/vegan were to say "Ew Meat Icky Fried Chicken Bleh" and that was their sole reason to not eat meat, that would also be childish. political activism is childish too but in a different way.Polyspora wrote:
Having a protein exclusive diet is not that bad you know…
You could use the same childish argument for the opposite
“do y'all have a good personal reason to not eat meat too or does it boil down to the typical toddler tantrum of "owh poor naive animals getting murdered!””
like I said, I don't need to get into my personal reasons, but I'll say that "owh poor naive animals getting murdered" is not one of them. akaKarmine wrote:
Say you're vegan and people automatically assume you're one of those.
Nobody cares enough about the ethics of vegans to change their entire diet around it.Patatitta wrote:
i'm with xch00F, vegan diet and carnivore diet are NOT comparable from a ethical point of view, vegan is justified and carnivore feels more like counterculture than anything else