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meWinnyace wrote:
Some examples?
?MrMcMikey22 wrote:
meWinnyace wrote:
Some examples?
I wasn't really asking for examples of people that aren't cringe or something like that. I was asking for examples for something that is bad in the eyes of OP. My bad for not specify.
"be cringe but free" with the condition of "enables no harm & is not generally immoral", seems clear in principleWinnyace wrote:
?MrMcMikey22 wrote:
meWinnyace wrote:
Some examples?
I wasn't really asking for examples of people that aren't cringe or something like that. I was asking for examples for something that is bad in the eyes of OP. My bad for not specify.
but ig it's also fair to note that a lot of how we interpret "cringe" & "harm" & "immoral" can be relativistic even when there are definitive expectations that a general impression of a society might have (and tangibly material-emotional-psychological effects), afaik
up to op if they wanna give their take, but if my opinion is an ok substitute then cringe is definitely exemplified by the "horny on all-ages forum + it's not that bad if it's fiction, therefore why should i have any substantive concern" vibe, which i think you're kind of ok about moderating so far, maybe, maybe
it's not that you have to feel guilty at all times or something, shame doesn't seem particularly constructive at all. i greatly doubt you interact with 15y/o girls online or irl and creep on them or something, i have far more faith in you than to assume that-- plus you're generally someone that seems at least somewhat introspective and considerate enough to draw these kinds of distinctions, but you're also a bit poorly-regulated so it seems like you don't know what to do with yourself other than escape to something else
and that can easily become a problem when it sabotages your relationships with women (and everyone else for reasons i could expand on, but of course probably not in any attraction-oriented capacity), and/or when it allows you to minimize/dismiss the underlying correlative patterns people associate with this kind of indifference and indulgence. idrk if that intrinsically says anything about you, or how much, if at all
but that's probably at least part of the "cringe"
insofar as how i think of it, it's really primarily in the realm of cringe (no more, no less) until further demonstrable that it's intersecting with irl problems, because then it has a definitively tangible effect on your perception of people
if you've heard something generalized-but-precedented like "men only seem to like the idea of women rather than the actual complicated flawed human beings themselves (such that any flaws a man might appreciate are selective and sometimes even trivial)", then this is probably an example of how fictional attraction can intersect with real life, because it seems to intuitively be common enough an effect given other contexts that approximate this
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i apologize, though, for being kind of maybe(?) personally targeted about psychoanalyzing what i've seen of you. just wanted to give at least some kind of possible answer before people shitpost in sarcastic irony all over it, because the questions themselves seem genuine to me
we rly should go back to corkboards, my last office had a bunch of whiteboardsAchromalia wrote:
hoping this becomes a legitimate "note from management" that just kindly gets revisited and elaborated on every week on the forum corkboard. you grab your cup of office water-tank water and watch it either be ceaselessly added onto or just be vandalized, but it remains there eternally in one form or another like your untouchably-normal well-adjusted supervisor
sip...
all is as it should be
*grabs a dry erase marker and changes "be cringe" to "be gay"
SO TRUE! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS IT!
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r/im16anddasconkcreetz0z wrote:
r/im15andthisisyeetJustABeginner wrote:
r/im14andthisisdeep
not a real subredditAchromalia wrote:
r/im16anddasconkcreetz0z wrote:
r/im15andthisisyeetJustABeginner wrote:
r/im14andthisisdeep
I will now start harming other people.
Best Regards,
The User Who Does A Little Trolling
Best Regards,
The User Who Does A Little Trolling
Serraionga wrote:
I will now start harming other people.
Best Regards,
The User Who Does A Little Trolling
[* i immediately dislike you] [* worst regards,] [* the user who is joking]
i adore you for thissametdze wrote:
it is nowz0z wrote:
not a real subredditAchromalia wrote:
r/im16anddasconkcreetz0z wrote:
r/im15andthisisyeetJustABeginner wrote:
r/im14andthisisdeep
Thank you for the serious answer. No issue psychoanalyzing. As long as it is shared in a respectful manner, I don't really mind.Achromalia wrote:
serious answer to my question towards op"be cringe but free" with the condition of "enables no harm & is not generally immoral", seems clear in principle
but ig it's also fair to note that a lot of how we interpret "cringe" & "harm" & "immoral" can be relativistic even when there are definitive expectations that a general impression of a society might have (and tangibly material-emotional-psychological effects), afaik
up to op if they wanna give their take, but if my opinion is an ok substitute then cringe is definitely exemplified by the "horny on all-ages forum + it's not that bad if it's fiction, therefore why should i have any substantive concern" vibe, which i think you're kind of ok about moderating so far, maybe, maybe
it's not that you have to feel guilty at all times or something, shame doesn't seem particularly constructive at all. i greatly doubt you interact with 15y/o girls online or irl and creep on them or something, i have far more faith in you than to assume that-- plus you're generally someone that seems at least somewhat introspective and considerate enough to draw these kinds of distinctions, but you're also a bit poorly-regulated so it seems like you don't know what to do with yourself other than escape to something else
and that can easily become a problem when it sabotages your relationships with women (and everyone else for reasons i could expand on, but of course probably not in any attraction-oriented capacity), and/or when it allows you to minimize/dismiss the underlying correlative patterns people associate with this kind of indifference and indulgence. idrk if that intrinsically says anything about you, or how much, if at all
but that's probably at least part of the "cringe"
insofar as how i think of it, it's really primarily in the realm of cringe (no more, no less) until further demonstrable that it's intersecting with irl problems, because then it has a definitively tangible effect on your perception of people
if you've heard something generalized-but-precedented like "men only seem to like the idea of women rather than the actual complicated flawed human beings themselves (such that any flaws a man might appreciate are selective and sometimes even trivial)", then this is probably an example of how fictional attraction can intersect with real life, because it seems to intuitively be common enough an effect given other contexts that approximate this
...
i apologize, though, for being kind of maybe(?) personally targeted about psychoanalyzing what i've seen of you. just wanted to give at least some kind of possible answer before people shitpost in sarcastic irony all over it, because the questions themselves seem genuine to me
Topic Starter
exactly!Kobold84 wrote:
Very true nya.
maybe.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
This thread should be pinned
no just me actuallyMrMcMikey22 wrote:
meWinnyace wrote:
Some examples?
yippee!Kaaruumii wrote:
oki doki
Topic Starter
Serraionga wrote:
I will now start harming other people.
Best Regards,
The User Who Does A Little Trolling
WHAT!!!!
weekly reminder #1Offdensen wrote:
be cringe but free as long as it doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
signed,
the manager lover on osu rhythm game
*Thumbs_up*Serraionga wrote:
I will now start harming other people.
Best Regards,
The User Who Does A Little Trolling
when is it my turn to be cringe :/ i need my cringe arc fr
you are not allowed, global moderator #xxx (callsign "blushing") <3Blushing wrote:
when is it my turn to be cringe :/ i need my cringe arc fr
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
thank you for making an exception for trolling
arguably, trolling-by-intent can cause harm-by-effectabraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
I believe the onus to be cringe is simply out of your hands. The act of cringing falls onto others.Blushing wrote:
when is it my turn to be cringe :/ i need my cringe arc fr
inciting emotions can be harmfulAchromalia wrote:
arguably, trolling-by-intent can cause harm-by-effectabraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
yes (i'm not sure if i understand the tone here, it seems sarcastic)?z0z wrote:
inciting emotions can be harmfulAchromalia wrote:
arguably, trolling-by-intent can cause harm-by-effectabraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
and humans have conventionally been emotional creatures whose health often depends on psychological and/or social wellbeing (like depression, anhedonia, loneliness, impulsive anger, paralyzing grief), with somatic effects extending throughout their bodies as well as many characteristics like volition/motivation, ego, clarity of mind, dissociative detachment from the body's needs, et cetera
with the internet, it appears there existed a primacy of sardonic/sarcastic people who found it more reasonable to distance themselves from any emotional consequence, finding any reaction from other people to merely be funny. that would approximate my loose interpretation of what would be known as "trolling". as a consequence, there was also the expectation that people stop caring, and simply not take anything personally, and that the fault lies with the offended party, not the people creating the environment of offense (or otherwise absolving responsibility for consequence)
related to this, is the discourse of "offense =/= harm". opinions on that seem to vary wildly, but if we're speaking consequentially with regard for relative experience, it's not difficult to imagine that trolling is therefore possible to argue as being a form of comedy with *the potential* to cause harm
it's generally pretty important not to minimize the extent of what emotion can do-- and i hope you don't mean to be deliberately obtuse about this, if you were saying this to be sarcastic/ironic. if not, i apologize for... this, though i suppose it at least elaborates on the point
no sarcasm intended, i just thought a bit of rewording to make the relationship between things clear would helpAchromalia wrote:
yes (i'm not sure if i understand the tone here, it seems sarcastic)?z0z wrote:
inciting emotions can be harmfulAchromalia wrote:
arguably, trolling-by-intent can cause harm-by-effectabraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
and humans have conventionally been emotional creatures whose health often depends on psychological and/or social wellbeing (like depression, anhedonia, loneliness, impulsive anger, paralyzing grief), with somatic effects extending throughout their bodies as well as many characteristics like volition/motivation, ego, clarity of mind, dissociative detachment from the body's needs, et cetera
with the internet, it appears there existed a primacy of sardonic/sarcastic people who found it more reasonable to distance themselves from any emotional consequence, finding any reaction from other people to merely be funny. that would approximate my loose interpretation of what would be known as "trolling". as a consequence, there was also the expectation that people stop caring, and simply not take anything personally, and that the fault lies with the offended party, not the people creating the environment of offense (or otherwise absolving responsibility for consequence)
related to this, is the discourse of "offense =/= harm". opinions on that seem to vary wildly, but if we're speaking consequentially with regard for relative experience, it's not difficult to imagine that trolling is therefore possible to argue as being a form of comedy with *the potential* to cause harm
it's generally pretty important not to minimize the extent of what emotion can do-- and i hope you don't mean to be deliberately obtuse about this, if you were saying this to be sarcastic/ironic. if not, i apologize for... this, though i suppose it at least elaborates on the point
i see :c i didnt pick up on that until you said so, but it makes sense now
trolling is only morally good when you're using it to trojan horse an actual good point about whatever it is you're trolling about
Your point only gets muddier if you do so. Even if you're right, showing it by trolling can be easily interpreted wrongly, and in general, it is just a shitty way to express your point. Why not just say the point?xch00F wrote:
trolling is only morally good when you're using it to trojan horse an actual good point about whatever it is you're trolling about
Good to know that you believe trolling isn't at least a bit immoral man. I'm so happy you're a GMT dude.abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
some people are so terminally online and combative when their world views are challenged that the only way to get thru to them is to be just as terminally online and combative. I'm not talking about trite youtube comment trolling just to piss ppl with blank avatars and randomized usernames off, that all sucks and those folks aren't going to accept your point anywayWinnyace wrote:
Your point only gets muddier if you do so. Even if you're right, showing it by trolling can be easily interpreted wrongly, and in general, it is just a shitty way to express your point. Why not just say the point?xch00F wrote:
trolling is only morally good when you're using it to trojan horse an actual good point about whatever it is you're trolling about
Hmm... I see... I never thought about it like that.xch00F wrote:
some people are so terminally online and combative when their world views are challenged that the only way to get thru to them is to be just as terminally online and combative. I'm not talking about trite youtube comment trolling just to piss ppl with blank avatars and randomized usernames off, that all sucks and those folks aren't going to accept your point anywayWinnyace wrote:
Your point only gets muddier if you do so. Even if you're right, showing it by trolling can be easily interpreted wrongly, and in general, it is just a shitty way to express your point. Why not just say the point?xch00F wrote:
trolling is only morally good when you're using it to trojan horse an actual good point about whatever it is you're trolling about
Topic Starter
thank youAchromalia wrote:
weekly reminder #1Offdensen wrote:
be cringe but free as long as it doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
signed,
the manager lover on osu rhythm game
whenever you want bro. take your time always. trustBlushing wrote:
when is it my turn to be cringe :/ i need my cringe arc fr
i mean by like. not being a weirdo or being hateful. unlike some people here....abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
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hey guys! ymir remi big troll! throw rocks at him please<3<3<3Ymir wrote:
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Topic Starter
hey bud... there's no image....i hope you know thatYmir wrote:
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he gets itWinnyace wrote:
Good to know that you believe trolling isn't at least a bit immoral man. I'm so happy you're a GMT dude.abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
I mean, maybeabraker wrote:
he gets itWinnyace wrote:
Good to know that you believe trolling isn't at least a bit immoral man. I'm so happy you're a GMT dude.abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
but trolling is an internet pillar, its never going away lol
Wouldn't exactly call it a pillar. More like a proper etiquette.Polyspora wrote:
I mean, maybeabraker wrote:
he gets itWinnyace wrote:
Good to know that you believe trolling isn't at least a bit immoral man. I'm so happy you're a GMT dude.abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
but trolling is an internet pillar, its never going away lol
wouldnt exactly call it proper etiquette... more like a habitual addiction to a poisoned well that people like to rationalize, sometimes to adapt to cultures that they found community through, while also sometimes being a shield of plausible deniability for self-preservation within those very same communitiesKobold84 wrote:
Wouldn't exactly call it a pillar. More like a proper etiquette.Polyspora wrote:
I mean, maybeabraker wrote:
he gets itWinnyace wrote:
Good to know that you believe trolling isn't at least a bit immoral man. I'm so happy you're a GMT dude.abraker wrote:
> doesn't harm other people and isn't immorally wrong
thank you for making an exception for trolling
but trolling is an internet pillar, its never going away lol
...sometimes people are just callous though;; or none of the above, of course
The actual troll just appeared.Polyspora wrote:
hey guys! ymir remi big troll! throw rocks at him please<3<3<3Ymir wrote:
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