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Aisha

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Voyage wrote:
Did a little oops for the Metadata part of my mod, replace Trance with Techno in tags. Got both of the genres mixed up somehow since it should actually be Techno from what the artist said.

Fixed and updated! Thanks for coming back ~

Zpmzpm

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Joined August 2015

Zpmzpm 8 years ago

Hey, nice map
modding this with library computer atm

[Kantan]
Well pulled off. Can't find any problems here.

[Futsuu]
Spread between Kantan and Futsuu is rather large. The entire Normal diff is skipped

Should be nerf a significant amount
I noticed in this 200bpm map you've still used a fair amount of 1/2s, these could get a nerf, think about it as 100bpm 1/4s
Also there are some places that uses too much 1/1s at the same time and not much 2/1 spacings.
00:07:869 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - 9 at a time is too much I think
some kiai parts
etc etc
Good map overall, just needs a bit of tweaking on the difficulty.
[Muzukashii]
Following drums mostly, no problem here.
[_yuOni]
The part after first kiai has some weird spacing
just sounds really weird when played.
00:43:269 (239,240,241,242,243,244,245) - this is pretty awkward imo, something like a kkd 1/4 thing after the last note would feel much better (fill up 245 to 246)
00:49:269 (267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275) - could fill up gaps, this is Oni, not Muzu.
[Inner]
Seems good to me.
Nice map, hope it gets ranked soon

Greenshell

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Joined July 2016

Greenshell 8 years ago

Hello, here's my mod as you requested in-game~

DIOOOOOOOOO

General:

Current BG resolution is 1228x767, which should definitely be changed. I suggest getting a BG with a resolution of 1366x768, 1920x1080 or 1920x1200.

Tags: You can remove Blackhole from the tags, Blackhole12 automically triggers Blackhole when you search for it.

taiko-soft-hitclap.wav and taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav are unused, did something happen with the recent update? If you don't want to use them, remove them from your song folder and make sure to adjust audio volume on all diffs, otherwise set Hitsound sample on all diffs from N → S:C1.

OD Spread: The current spread feels a bit odd with Oni and Inner Oni having the exact same settings. As a suggestion: 4 – 4.5 – 5 – 5.5 – 6
Though before you change anything, ask yumuya if he's okay with it.
Same goes for the HP Spread: I believe 8 is a bit high on Kantan due to the song's length, so you can try out something like this: 7 – 6 – 5 – 5.5 – 6
Again, if you consider changing something here you should get the green flag from yumuya.

[]

So. I've looked at the lower difficulties, and I figured they need major work, especially Futsuu and Muzu. Let me just point out some things so you get the idea:

Kantan: You can set the SV to 1.4x on both Kantan and Futsuu, even on this BPM it is perfectly readable. I can understand if you want to keep it on Kantan, though.

Futsuu: Even if you don't want to use 1.4x SV on Kantan, please use it on Futsuu at least.
Looking at the Kiais here, I see you're mapping the melody by varying between kat and don on each downbeat continously. 00:20:469 (36) - starts off as kat, 00:22:869 (46) - as don. And so on.
I can understand the concept here, but keep in mind that this doesn't follow the spread at all. On any other difficulty, you always map the downbeat I mentioned as don, and I do believe you should do the same on this diff. The same applies for the second Kiai, of course.

00:39:669 - to 00:49:269 - seems odd to me honestly, I can't tell if you're mapping to the drumset or the melody. Please let me know which one is the case.

01:27:669 - to 01:32:469 -(?) why is this mapped this differently than 00:06:069 - to 00:10:869 -? There are exactly the same drumsounds / rhythm, I see no justification to do something much less dense here. After all, both parts are equally calm/intense, right?

01:46:869 - To keep a better spread with Muzu, either add notes here so the buildup is actually noticeable, or delete some notes on Muzu. As it is now, the spike is way too large imo.

Muzukashii: Woah there, the 1/4 patterns are way too complicated for this difficulty. Muzus are meant to introduce players to 1/4 rhythms and therefore patterns should be simple like ddd and kkk, just like you mapped them in the first Kiai. I'm perfectly fine with that. However, the second Kiai needs major rework! Each triplet which is not monocolour is questionable in itself for this diff, but combining all of them, you need to remap this part in order to make it rankable. By the way, I get the idea of these kkk triplets standing there alone, but they look clumsy. Please do something about them as well.

Inner Oni:
01:08:319 - Add a green line with 0.95x SV to avoid ugly overlaps.

Okay, that's it for now. Call me back once you did rework on the spread (especially on the lower diffs), I feel there's too much to do in its current state.

Aisha

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Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

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Zpmzpm wrote:
Hey, nice map hi boy :3
modding this with library computer atm

[Kantan]
Well pulled off. Can't find any problems here.
proud to read :3

[Futsuu]
Spread between Kantan and Futsuu is rather large. The entire Normal diff is skipped
Should be nerf a significant amount
I noticed in this 200bpm map you've still used a fair amount of 1/2s, these could get a nerf, think about it as 100bpm 1/4s
Also there are some places that uses too much 1/1s at the same time and not much 2/1 spacings.
I did it on purpose, there are a lot of 2/1 spaces tbh (even on kiai). About spread I think it's balanced between Kantan<<Futsuu<<Muzu :3
00:07:869 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - 9 at a time is too much I think that's right; dense and not senseful: deleted 00:09:369 (12) -
some kiai parts
etc etc
Good map overall, just needs a bit of tweaking on the difficulty.
Took a look again and I think currently one is fine talking about 2/1 spacing and stuff, also spread is good about objects and SR (around ~1 each diff)

[Muzukashii]
Following drums mostly, no problem here.

[Inner]
Seems good to me.
Nice map, hope it gets ranked soon

Proud to read your mod ^^ I will try and thanks!

Greenshell wrote:
Hello, here's my mod as you requested in-game~

DIOOOOOOOOO
General:

Current BG resolution is 1228x767, which should definitely be changed. I suggest getting a BG with a resolution of 1366x768, 1920x1080 or 1920x1200. Wow wtf is this. I've applied Voyage's mod and changed to 1920x1200 xD anyways fixed

Tags: You can remove Blackhole from the tags, Blackhole12 automically triggers Blackhole when you search for it. As I've ask about this you can't search the song by typing Blackhole on the website so I'll let it be

taiko-soft-hitclap.wav and taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav are unused, did something happen with the recent update? If you don't want to use them, remove them from your song folder and make sure to adjust audio volume on all diffs, otherwise set Hitsound sample on all diffs from N → S:C1. Oh I think you got an older version. I've removed them around one week ago (notified on song description)

OD Spread: The current spread feels a bit odd with Oni and Inner Oni having the exact same settings. As a suggestion: 4 – 4.5 – 5 – 5.5 – 6
Though before you change anything, ask yumuya if he's okay with it.
Same goes for the HP Spread: I believe 8 is a bit high on Kantan due to the song's length, so you can try out something like this: 7 – 6 – 5 – 5.5 – 6
Again, if you consider changing something here you should get the green flag from yumuya.
Well tbh I did it kind of on purpose. I will think twice about Inner HP and that's all

[]

So. I've looked at the lower difficulties, and I figured they need major work, especially Futsuu and Muzu. Let me just point out some things so you get the idea:

Kantan: You can set the SV to 1.4x on both Kantan and Futsuu, even on this BPM it is perfectly readable. I can understand if you want to keep it on Kantan, though.

Futsuu: Even if you don't want to use 1.4x SV on Kantan, please use it on Futsuu at least.

I think both difficulties should have same SV. 200bpm isn't easy to read for newer players imo
Looking at the Kiais here, I see you're mapping the melody by varying between kat and don on each downbeat continously. 00:20:469 (36) - starts off as kat, 00:22:869 (46) - as don. And so on. First one has descendant melody and second one has ascendant one so I think starting with them makes it more interesting considering it's kiai
I can understand the concept here, but keep in mind that this doesn't follow the spread at all. On any other difficulty, you always map the downbeat I mentioned as don, and I do believe you should do the same on this diff. The same applies for the second Kiai, of course. Difficulties mustn't be the same talking about what sound I map :3

00:39:669 - to 00:49:269 - seems odd to me honestly, I can't tell if you're mapping to the drumset or the melody. Please let me know which one is the case.
Drum here, you can hear notice the break on 00:40:269 - (and along the section too)

01:27:669 - to 01:32:469 -(?) why is this mapped this differently than 00:06:069 - to 00:10:869 -? There are exactly the same drumsounds / rhythm, I see no justification to do something much less dense here. After all, both parts are equally calm/intense, right? Well I'm sure I did it about dinamicity but you're totally right, fixed it ^^

01:46:869 - To keep a better spread with Muzu, either add notes here so the buildup is actually noticeable, or delete some notes on Muzu. As it is now, the spike is way too large imo. holding it as I told above ^^

Muzukashii: Woah there, the 1/4 patterns are way too complicated for this difficulty. Muzus are meant to introduce players to 1/4 rhythms and therefore patterns should be simple like ddd and kkk, just like you mapped them in the first Kiai. I'm perfectly fine with that. However, the second Kiai needs major rework! Each triplet which is not monocolour is questionable in itself for this diff, but combining all of them, you need to remap this part in order to make it rankable. By the way, I get the idea of these kkk triplets standing there alone, but they look clumsy. Please do something about them as well. Well I just deleted 2 notes. Kiai are supposed to be more harder than rest of the song. Playing muzu is about getting more hard triples through the mapset difficulties so I thnk I'm holding most of them since kdk dkd ddk and kkd are allowed until they're not mixed with other triples on any part of the song

Inner Oni:
01:08:319 - Add a green line with 0.95x SV to avoid ugly overlaps. Right! Started from 01:07:869 - using -0.02 SV til 0,9
Okay, that's it for now. Call me back once you did rework on the spread (especially on the lower diffs), I feel there's too much to do in its current state.

Thanks for modding! I holded most of comments since spread is currently fine (imo ofc) ^^

PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 8 years ago

lol

[Inner Oni]
00:17:619 (75,76,77,78,79) - this seems can be modified with a bit better sequence, try kddkk, since 00:17:769 (77,80) - are the same sound.

[muzukahsii]
01:02:169 (261) - d for consistency with 01:06:969 (287) - .
01:58:869 (452,453,454,455,456,457) - d kkk k d for better consistency with previous pattern.
02:00:219 (460,461,462) - i dont recommend dkd in muzukashii, but it's up on you.
02:07:869 (503,504,505) - ^

i dont have idea what should i mod tho lol nice diff .
and the other diff are fine for me

Greenshell

Beatmap Nominator

329 posts

Joined July 2016

Greenshell 8 years ago

Follow-up of the previous mod now that you replied, no kds. Remember that these are only suggestions, feel free to reject everything if you don't like them.

DIOOOOOOOOO #2

d / don = Don Note
D / Don = Don Finish
k / kat = Katsu Note
K / Kat = Katsu Finish
abekobe = d → k / k → d

General:

Shouldn't the first Kiai have audio volume of 80% like the second? Or 80% for first and 90% for second Kiai?

~~I miss the hitsounds orz~~

[Kantan]

00:08:769 – To make up a better spread with Futsuu, either add a note here or delete some in Futsuu.

00:39:369 (57,58) – CTRL+G these notes to keep the abekobe (reversed color) consistent with the rest of the Kiai?

00:43:269 (63,64) – Try changing these 2 notes to kats? With this, you can give better impact on the descending pitch on 00:43:869 (65) – (which is apparently 1/2 but you can't map it as such), and you have a nice abekobe with 00:48:069 (70,71,72) -. As an alternative: For the first mentioned triplet, try dkd, and for the second one kdk. With this, you can complement the peak of the synth pitch on 00:48:069 (70) – better while still maintaining the abekobe which appears quite often in this diff.

00:55:269 (81) - could be d, this is supported by the drumset having the snare on the next tick, it gives more impact on 00:55:569 (82) - regarding the pitch and creates slight pattern variety to 00:57:669 (85,86,87) -.

01:12:969 - I would've expected something like a 1/1 triplet here, since any other diff does something which stands out from the rest of the stanza here, but that is just a minor thing.

01:30:669 (118) – change this to kat to match the pitch and for a bit of variety in coloring?

Not a fan of the structure in second Kiai, you're breaking up the abekobe-ish (wow how many times did I say this word now lol) structure completely here using kkd as the lead pattern throughout. Consider doing something about it, either in the first, or second Kiai.

02:15:069 (62,63) - I'd CTRL+G this, to complement the synth pitch on 63 better.

[Futsuu]

Still, I believe that this diff should use 1.4x SV or at least 1.3x, 200BPM 1.4x SV is not daring at all, in fact, lower SV can make 1/2 patterns look too dense which might confuse beginners. If you have a good reason to keep it, then do as you like.

First Kiai: I don't really understand why you're using different break times between each pattern. Since there are mostly 3/1 breaks (which don't seem to be intuitive to me in the first place but whatever, you're the mapper), having 2/1 breaks within this section makes the whole concept inconsistent. I'm not quite sure what you'd prefer doing here but I assume that you want to keep the 3/1 gaps for longer break time. As such, you should delete the following notes:

00:23:469 (47) -
00:33:069 (78) -

If you want to map it the other way around (2/1 gaps between each respective pattern), fill the 3/1 gaps with notes.

00:39:669 (98) – Finish like you did on the other difficulties?

00:40:869 (101) – change to d to match the bass.

01:12:669 – add a note here? With this you can avoid the iffy 3/1 gap and give better impact on the 1/2 triplet right after, currently it looks pretty weird as it stands out too much for no real reason.

01:18:069 (4) - This is the only diff (except GD) which doesn't have a finish here, was that intentional?

01:27:669 (14,15,16,17,18) - I've compared this with both the beginning of this diff and the other diffs and found this to be inconsistent with both of them. So, I'd suggest either CTRL+G'ing 01:28:869 (17,18) - or 01:27:669 (14,15) - + 01:28:269 (16) - to k. Which one you choose is your decision, though.

01:36:969 - add a kat here? Currently the gap sounds odd with nothing mapped to the peak of the melody (I'm sure you actually had a note here before the last update).

What I said about the rhythm gaps in the first Kiai also applies to the second of course. I'm pretty sure you know what I mean, if not, feel free to tell me so I can clarify things.

02:02:169 (22,23) – CTRL+G these, has a smoother flow to it and suits the melody better.

[Muzukashii]

I didn't notice it before, but don't you think the SV changes are quite harsh? Normally Muzus barely have any of them at all, and you're using 0.75x here which feels reaaaaally off. I do understand that you want to use them, but at least nerf them a bit here, so it is introduced better to the set and for better contrast to the SV changes in Inner Oni.

xfraczynho wrote:
Playing muzu is about getting more hard triples through the mapset difficulties

While I agree with you that Muzu introduce harder patterns, I believe that it is overdone in the second Kiai. Again, usually you wouldn't see a lot of ddk kkd dkd kdk things in other ranked mapsets at all, and honestly, pattern-wise it feels more of an Ura Muzu / Lite Oni than an actual Muzu.

xfraczynho wrote:
kdk dkd ddk and kkd are allowed until they're not mixed with other triples on any part of the song

That is actually the case here, though (if you see the 2nd Kiai as a whole part of the song). If you want to use them, then consider nerfing some at least (for example, get rid of all dkd so there are only kkd and ddk as non-mono triplets) unless you can give a good explanation on why you believe they should be kept as they are right now.

00:24:069 (76) – and 00:28:869 (102) – Both could be dons, flows better and gives the structure a nice effect switching between k ddd and d kkk (abekobe) with each measure.

00:25:269 (83) - 00:27:669 (96) – These look out of place regarding structure, change both to d to keep it consistent. Maybe you can find something to avoid repetition of these 1/2 5-plets?

00:36:369 (142,143,144,145,146,147) - Currently you're using this pattern 3 times in a row, unlike in the first half of the Kiai. Why's that? This looks blatantly copy-pasted and lazy, honestly. At least change this specific one to something like 00:38:769 (155,156,157,158,159,160) - this.

00:43:569 (176) - kat sounds nice here.

I'll skip the second Kiai at this point, you should get the idea by now.

[_yu68's Oni]

00:20:169 (78,79,80) - I think this can be improved. Try something like this?
This way, you can follow the drums more accurately and get better emphasis on the melody through spacing between 00:20:169 (80) - and 00:20:319 (81) -.

01:03:894 - I can hear 1/4 sounds here, add a note? Or rather not due to the calmness of this part?

Otherwise solid diff.

[Inner Oni]

00:06:069 - Just a little idea: Since this is the highest difficulty and it already utilizes SV to emphasize the less intense parts, consider adding some green lines with continously rising SV until 00:10:869 - to make the buildup look more appealing? This is not a must of course, completely up to you.

00:11:919 (28) - Consider changing this to k, I noticed the structure between the first two triplets of each pattern itself (more precisely, 00:11:769 (27,28) -, 00:14:169 (46,47) -, 00:16:569 (66,67) -, 00:18:969 (86,87) - ) is dd - kd - kd - dk. dk - kd - kd - dk would look more polished.

00:33:444 (216) - Move this note to 00:33:294 - and change 00:33:519 (217) - to k so you have so you have ddk d here? With this, you can catch the drums and the overall melody + background synth better.

00:53:169 (372) - Current doublet doesn't look nice. dk looks, sounds and plays more intuitively, even if the usage of doublet pattern feel repetitive then.

01:01:044 (431) - Move this note to 01:01:194 -? The 1/4 which you're mapping actually lies on this tick and it gives the structure of this section more consistency.

02:05:694 (831) - Change this to d for better flow?

Alright, that's it. As I said in my previous post, I believe the lower diffs need more work than the higher ones. I hope this mod helps you in any way.
Good luck! and sorry if my suggestions appear forced or offensive, absolutely didn't mean to orz

Aisha

840 posts

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Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

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PatZar wrote:
lol hi!

[Inner Oni]
00:17:619 (75,76,77,78,79) - this seems can be modified with a bit better sequence, try kddkk, since 00:17:769 (77,80) - are the same sound. I agree with 00:17:769 (77,80) - tbh, they're same but I'm not a fan of quintustreams like kddkk or stuff so I'll hold the current ddkkd

[muzukahsii]
01:02:169 (261) - d for consistency with 01:06:969 (287) - . I'm changing 01:06:969 (287) - instead to kat, I think sounds better
01:58:869 (452,453,454,455,456,457) - d kkk k d for better consistency with previous pattern. D: I'm confused, it's already d kkk k d so... (?) xD
02:00:219 (460,461,462) - i dont recommend dkd in muzukashii, but it's up on you. Yeah agree, also it's the only dkd in the whole song so doesn't make a real sense (also Greenshell pointed this if I'm not wrong
02:07:869 (503,504,505) - ^ fixed aswell!

i dont have idea what should i mod tho lol nice diff .
and the other diff are fine for me

Thanks for modding and proud to read! Fixed some general errors

Greenshell wrote:
Follow-up of the previous mod now that you replied, no kds. Remember that these are only suggestions, feel free to reject everything if you don't like them.

Really thanks for coming back. I really appreciatte this !

DIOOOOOOOOO #2
d / don = Don Note
D / Don = Don Finish
k / kat = Katsu Note
K / Kat = Katsu Finish
abekobe = d → k / k → d

General:

Shouldn't the first Kiai have audio volume of 80% like the second? Or 80% for first and 90% for second Kiai? Yeah using 80 on first one and 90 in the second one, I think their volumes are way different

~~I miss the hitsounds orz~~ me too ;;

[Kantan]

00:08:769 – To make up a better spread with Futsuu, either add a note here or delete some in Futsuu.
I think current one is good; I mean they mustn't be the same so anyways it's good for each diff ^^

00:39:369 (57,58) – CTRL+G these notes to keep the abekobe (reversed color) consistent with the rest of the Kiai?
hmmm I've heard this lot of times but I think current one is good since compared to the rest of kiai there's a descendant sound that makes the section change more notorious so I keep different than the other ones (if you refered to notes like 00:33:969 (46,47) - )

00:43:269 (63,64) – Try changing these 2 notes to kats? With this, you can give better impact on the descending pitch on
00:43:869 (65) – (which is apparently 1/2 but you can't map it as such), and you have a nice abekobe with 00:48:069 (70,71,72) -. As an alternative: For the first mentioned triplet, try dkd, and for the second one kdk. With this, you can complement the peak of the synth pitch on 00:48:069 (70) – better while still maintaining the abekobe which appears quite often in this diff.
Yeah you're toally right boy, changed the first one to dkd and second to kdk. It sounds really good and yeah, using mirror sounds on Kantan helps a lot :3

00:55:269 (81) - could be d, this is supported by the drumset having the snare on the next tick, it gives more impact on 00:55:569 (82) - regarding the pitch and creates slight pattern variety to 00:57:669 (85,86,87) -.
Right again, changed to d k d

01:12:969 - I would've expected something like a 1/1 triplet here, since any other diff does something which stands out from the rest of the stanza here, but that is just a minor thing.
As you said, is a minor stuff. I don't want to make the same section through all difficulties. Also this is kind of relaxing part of the song so I think current one is fine

01:30:669 (118) – change this to kat to match the pitch and for a bit of variety in coloring?
I think using some of monocolour notes is good enough for Kantan. Also there's not any pitch change as I can hear

Not a fan of the structure in second Kiai, you're breaking up the abekobe-ish (wow how many times did I say this word now lol xD) structure completely here using kkd as the lead pattern throughout. Consider doing something about it, either in the first, or second Kiai.
I think current one is fine: I mean I'm focusing on notes like 01:58:269 (26) - 02:00:669 (31) - etc... and they're used mirror through the whole kiai so consistency about them shouldn't be a problem

02:15:069 (62,63) - I'd CTRL+G this, to complement the synth pitch on 63 better.
Hmmm well after trying this like 10 times I think there's an descendant sound from 02:14:469 - 02:15:069 - so I think using k k d is fine. From here starts some ascendant so it's supposed to be d d k so spinner is consider my kat note. So I pref using k k d d instead k k k d

[Futsuu]

Still, I believe that this diff should use 1.4x SV or at least 1.3x, 200BPM 1.4x SV is not daring at all, in fact, lower SV can make 1/2 patterns look too dense which might confuse beginners. If you have a good reason to keep it, then do as you like.
Uhh still wondering about this. I still have in mind Kantan and Futsuu should have the same SV since are the diffs which most of new players play. Muzu is a different case; they're already familiarized on taiko and it's supposed to be a little more challenger

First Kiai: I don't really understand why you're using different break times between each pattern. Since there are mostly 3/1 breaks (which don't seem to be intuitive to me in the first place but whatever, you're the mapper), having 2/1 breaks within this section makes the whole concept inconsistent. I'm not quite sure what you'd prefer doing here but I assume that you want to keep the 3/1 gaps for longer break time. As such, you should delete the following notes:

00:23:469 (47) -
00:33:069 (78) -

If you want to map it the other way around (2/1 gaps between each respective pattern), fill the 3/1 gaps with notes.
Yeah I made the second suggestion. Added some notes to make only 2/1 breaks (yeah it was totally my mistake about it tho. Thanks for noticing) so there aren't more 3/1 random breaks

00:39:669 (98) – Finish like you did on the other difficulties?
Yeah used it. I know i'm not a fan of using the same mapping but there's neccesary lol

00:40:869 (101) – change to d to match the bass.
There's a drum sound that I wanted to follow. You can hear it easily by deleting this note ^^ so kat is currently fine

01:12:669 – add a note here? With this you can avoid the iffy 3/1 gap and give better impact on the 1/2 triplet right after, currently it looks pretty weird as it stands out too much for no real reason.
I think current one is really good. Kind of similar reason as Kantan: There's a slow part so considering it is well mapped. Also using little doubles is fine and triple to make a connection between last and current section

01:18:069 (4) - This is the only diff (except GD) which doesn't have a finish here, was that intentional?
Yeah it was intentional but I think using finish here is better than small note

01:27:669 (14,15,16,17,18) - I've compared this with both the beginning of this diff and the other diffs and found this to be inconsistent with both of them. So, I'd suggest either CTRL+G'ing 01:28:869 (17,18) - or 01:27:669 (14,15) - + 01:28:269 (16) - to k. Which one you choose is your decision, though.
Yeah just made ctrl+g on 01:28:869 (17,18) -. Sounds really better thanks

01:36:969 - add a kat here? Currently the gap sounds odd with nothing mapped to the peak of the melody (I'm sure you actually had a note here before the last update).
Yeah you're right, I deleted this accidentally lol

What I said about the rhythm gaps in the first Kiai also applies to the second of course. I'm pretty sure you know what I mean, if not, feel free to tell me so I can clarify things.
Fixed some of them (more in first than second)

02:02:169 (22,23) – CTRL+G these, has a smoother flow to it and suits the melody better.
Lol you choiced 2 kats but I suppose you wanted to say first don and kat so I'm holding anyways cuz there's a descendant melody

[Muzukashii]

I didn't notice it before, but don't you think the SV changes are quite harsh? Normally Muzus barely have any of them at all, and you're using 0.75x here which feels reaaaaally off. I do understand that you want to use them, but at least nerf them a bit here, so it is introduced better to the set and for better contrast to the SV changes in Inner Oni.
Yeah you're right. I'm sure I deleted them last update zzz but changing now :3

xfraczynho wrote:
Playing muzu is about getting more hard triples through the mapset difficulties
While I agree with you that Muzu introduce harder patterns, I believe that it is overdone in the second Kiai. Again, usually you wouldn't see a lot of ddk kkd dkd kdk things in other ranked mapsets at all, and honestly, pattern-wise it feels more of an Ura Muzu / Lite Oni than an actual Muzu.

xfraczynho wrote:
kdk dkd ddk and kkd are allowed until they're not mixed with other triples on any part of the song
That is actually the case here, though (if you see the 2nd Kiai as a whole part of the song). If you want to use them, then consider nerfing some at least (for example, get rid of all dkd so there are only kkd and ddk as non-mono triplets) unless you can give a good explanation on why you believe they should be kept as they are right now.
Yeah fixed lot of them on last mod tho

00:24:069 (76) – and 00:28:869 (102) – Both could be dons, flows better and gives the structure a nice effect switching between k ddd and d kkk (abekobe) with each measure.
Alright! Fixed

00:25:269 (83) - 00:27:669 (96) – These look out of place regarding structure, change both to d to keep it consistent. Maybe you can find something to avoid repetition of these 1/2 5-plets?
Changed the second one to don

00:36:369 (142,143,144,145,146,147) - Currently you're using this pattern 3 times in a row, unlike in the first half of the Kiai. Why's that? This looks blatantly copy-pasted and lazy, honestly. At least change this specific one to something like 00:38:769 (155,156,157,158,159,160) - this.
wtf lol missmapped this xD changed 00:33:969 (129,130,131,132,133,134) - to k d ddd k

00:43:569 (176) - kat sounds nice here. it's already kat ; ;

I'll skip the second Kiai at this point, you should get the idea by now.
Totally ^^

[Inner Oni]

00:06:069 - Just a little idea: Since this is the highest difficulty and it already utilizes SV to emphasize the less intense parts, consider adding some green lines with continously rising SV until 00:10:869 - to make the buildup look more appealing? This is not a must of course, completely up to you.
Your idea is fine, but I wouldn't like to start with less than 1.0x SV and starting with 1.0 should finish with more than this (of course) so I think current one is kind of fun already

00:11:919 (28) - Consider changing this to k, I noticed the structure between the first two triplets of each pattern itself (more precisely, 00:11:769 (27,28) -, 00:14:169 (46,47) -, 00:16:569 (66,67) -, 00:18:969 (86,87) - ) is dd - kd - kd - dk. dk - kd - kd - dk would look more polished.
Totally right, fixed ~

00:33:444 (216) - Move this note to 00:33:294 - and change 00:33:519 (217) - to k so you have so you have ddk d here? With this, you can catch the drums and the overall melody + background synth better.
Yup! Also about consistency (idk what I did here tbh)

00:53:169 (372) - Current doublet doesn't look nice. dk looks, sounds and plays more intuitively, even if the usage of doublet pattern feel repetitive then.
I think current double is fine: Consistent, readable and fills with the rhythm. I think there's not reason to delete it :/

01:01:044 (431) - Move this note to 01:01:194 -? The 1/4 which you're mapping actually lies on this tick and it gives the structure of this section more consistency.
You can hear the background drum right here 01:00:969 - so current triple is fine imo

02:05:694 (831) - Change this to d for better flow? Fixed, ugly pattern uhh

Alright, that's it. As I said in my previous post, I believe the lower diffs need more work than the higher ones. I hope this mod helps you in any way.
Good luck! and sorry if my suggestions appear forced or offensive, absolutely didn't mean to orz

Wops missclick and gave you kudosu again. Idk if it's acceptable so you helped me twice tho :p

You really helped me! Thanks for coming back, I really appreciate it . And don't worry, your comments were totally right!

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Last edited by Aisha 8 years ago, edited 3 times in total.

Surono

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Surono 8 years ago

lazy genocide wkwkwkwkwkw

JessiChan

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JessiChan 8 years ago

Hola Frac, disculpa la demora, he estado super ocupada. Aún lo estoy pero yo te prometí el mod(?)

Kantan

00:33:069 (44) - 00:37:869 (54) - Podrían ser azules :3
00:58:269 (87) - Azul
01:06:069 (95,96,97) - kkd
02:15:369 (63) - Podrías cambiarlo a un finisher azul

Futsuu

¿Por qué no pones este: 00:14:469 (22) - Igual a este: 00:19:269 (32) - ? Tendría consistencia y sonaría bonito. :3
00:25:869 - Agrega nota roja y 00:26:469 (55) - cambia ese a rojo
00:27:369 (59) - Azul
00:28:269 - Nota
00:35:469 - 00:37:869 - Nota

Inner Oni

00:29:619 (181) - agrega un azul allí
01:53:169 (716) - 01:55:569 (738) - sonarían mejor como azules

GL~

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

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JessiChan wrote:
Hola Frac, disculpa la demora, he estado super ocupada. Aún lo estoy pero yo te prometí el mod(?)
Hola! Jaja gracias por darte tu tiempo D

Kantan
00:33:069 (44) - 00:37:869 (54) - Podrían ser azules :3
Los dejo como don porque los tonos son exactamente lo mismo según escucho :3
00:58:269 (87) - Azul
Cambiado, apliqué ctrl+g
01:06:069 (95,96,97) - kkd
Sonido ascendente al igual que en 01:01:269 -
02:15:369 (63) - Podrías cambiarlo a un finisher azul
Mmmmmmmmm la verdad aceptaré una segunda sugerencia, por mientras lo dejo así para no complicar esa parte de gusto considerando que es el fin

Futsuu
¿Por qué no pones este: 00:14:469 (22) - Igual a este: 00:19:269 (32) - ? Tendría consistencia y sonaría bonito. :3
No los hice iguales pero sí cambié el segundo por d k d d k y sí, suena mejor :3
00:25:869 - Agrega nota roja y 00:26:469 (55) - cambia ese a rojo
Sí hice el cambio en el anterior mod
00:27:369 (59) - Azul
Mmm no siento que haya alguna diferencia con 00:27:669 (61) - en cuanto a tono :c
00:28:269 - Nota
Aplicado del anterior también
00:35:469 - 00:37:869 - Nota
Lo mismo xD

Inner Oni
00:29:619 (181) - agrega un azul allí
Mm a mi gusto estos 3 00:29:769 (183,184,185) - deben ser kdk y no soy fan de usar mucho kdkdk consecutivamente, así que lo dejo como está
01:53:169 (716) - 01:55:569 (738) - sonarían mejor como azules
Concuerdo con el segundo, pero el primero lo dejo como está

GL~

Gracias por el modeo Jessi, más vale tarde que nunca ?) jajaj
Updated!

_yu68

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_yu68 8 years ago

Zpmzpm wrote:
[_yuOni]
The part after first kiai has some weird spacing
just sounds really weird when played.
00:43:269 (239,240,241,242,243,244,245) - this is pretty awkward imo, something like a kkd 1/4 thing after the last note would feel much better (fill up 245 to 246) deleted 242,243 and added 1/4 kkd at 00:44:319 -
00:49:269 (267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275) - could fill up gaps, this is Oni, not Muzu. I think the difficulty spread is enough because of even-1/2s and 1/4 triplets in this part.

Thanks mod :3 I applied a suggestion.

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Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

_yu68 wrote:

Zpmzpm wrote:
[_yuOni]
The part after first kiai has some weird spacing
just sounds really weird when played.
00:43:269 (239,240,241,242,243,244,245) - this is pretty awkward imo, something like a kkd 1/4 thing after the last note would feel much better (fill up 245 to 246) deleted 242,243 and added 1/4 kkd at 00:44:319 -
00:49:269 (267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275) - could fill up gaps, this is Oni, not Muzu. I think the difficulty spread is enough because of even-1/2s and 1/4 triplets in this part.

Thanks mod :3 I applied a suggestion.

.osu

osu file format v14

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Artist:Erik McClure
ArtistUnicode:Erik McClure
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Tags:Blackhole Newgrounds Techno Blackhole12 Audio Deathmatch NGADM _yu68
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Updated!
Still accepting mods (and waiting for BN check someday hopefully)

Himesaka Noa

osu! Alumni

3,308 posts

Joined February 2012

Himesaka Noa 8 years ago

Sorry for being late.

[Kantan]

00:36:069 (50) - Consider changing to k for consistency. comparing to other similar sound (or considering overall patterns), only this is started with kat.
00:43:269 (63,64,65) - 00:48:069 (70,71,72) - I think It's not good idea to use different color patterns though these are similar pitch patterns. in these part, using same pattern would make beginners able to play more easier probably.
00:51:069 (75,76,77) - It should be changed to d k d for consistency with 00:55:869. there is no reason that these similar things is diffrent.
01:12:969 (103,104) - Swap these for consistency with 01:08:469 - 01:17:769 (108,109) -.
01:21:669 (111) - Change to k for consistency.
01:32:469 (122,123) - Swap these. overall feeling (melody, drums, etc.) not changed. so there is no reason to start with k.
02:08:169 (48) - Well, It may be asked whether It's necessary to map 5 stream with 1/1 divisor. consequently, it make continuous long patterns appear immediately. I think It would be nice to add note on 02:10:569 and make it 5 stream instead.
02:12:969 (59) - Similar reason as above. If you apply above mod, It should be removed for consistency.

[Futsuu]

00:06:219 (3) - 00:07:419 (6) - 01:27:819 (15) - 01:29:019 (18) - Yeah, there is definitely sound. but It's hard to catch the rhythm at this difficulty.
00:23:469 (46) - Seeing other similar thing, that all are started with don note.
00:27:369 (60) - Change to k for consistency. Also, in the melody, It's little higher than previous thing.
00:35:469 (86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93) - Similar as 00:23:469. there is no specific reason (sound, pattern, etc.) to change the basic shape. It just make the flow break, make players feel weird consequently.
00:40:569 (103) - the pitch is higher than previous thing. how about changing this to kat?
00:41:769 (106,107,108,109) - Considering the melody, k d d k would be more fit the music.
00:46:569 (118,119,120,121) - Same as above.
01:00:969 (152,153) - Swap these for consistency with 01:05:769 (161,162)
01:34:269 (33) - Change to k for making pattern? ddd / kkk feels not bad for me.
01:45:669 (10) - 01:43:269 (6) - Respectively k, d for consistency with after these patterns.
01:56:769 (2,3) - Most patterns in kiai time basically has the pattern like as o___o_o_o_... but only this thing starts with o_ooo_o_o_... shape. actually, itself doesn't matter. but if you consider consistency with 02:06:069, it should be removed.
02:03:369 (26) - k for consistency.

[Muzukashii]

00:08:619 (11) - It's a bit weird feeling and there is actually no sound to map.
00:16:569 (41) - k for consistency.
00:21:669 (62) - How about moving this to 00:21:519 following the melody? as result, it would be more natural to play, I think...
1. 00:24:069 (75) - 00:26:469 (87) - 00:28:869 (100) - Similar as above. but It's not forced.
00:30:669 (110,111,112,113,114) - It makes me feel awkward. I think, it's necessary to change to o_o_o_o___o pattern because the actual melody is like that. Same opinion about the follow things:
1. 00:33:069 (123,124,125,126,127) - Same as above
2. 00:35:469 (136,137,138,139,140) -
3. 00:37:869 (149,150,151,152,153) -
00:41:769 (167) - Should be k to follow melody. It's higher than previous thing.
00:45:669 (181) - k for consistency with 00:40:869 (164)
00:46:269 (183,184) - Swapping these would be more fit the music, in my opinion.
00:52:269 (207) - Considering 00:56:469 part, It would be better to change to don for consistency.
00:58:869 - There is a big gap between Futsuu and Muzukashii even considering the feeling of this part. It probably can fix if you remove some 1/4 triplet... I think, It needs to reduce more the density on Muzukashii.
1. Futsuu vs Muzukashii
01:34:569 (348) - 01:35:619 - Respectively, Change to kat, Add don. It probably make patterns look more balanced, in my opinion.
01:42:519 (372) - 01:43:719 (375) - Swap these for consistency.
01:51:219 (402) - Remove for consistency.
01:57:369 - Same as 00:21:669
02:06:069 - Similar as 00:30:669. It seems to be intended to make more harder but I feel like that some rhythm placement is not fit the music.

[_yu68's Oni]

00:47:919 (261) - 変な所にマップされた感じがちょっとあるので、00:47:769に移したほうがいいんじゃないかと…
01:13:869 (400) - この辺は何を基準でマップしたのかよくわかりませんが、一応メロディー基準で見ると、ここよりは01:14:169のほうが曲には合うんです。
01:16:269 (411) - これも似た感じです、ここよりは01:16:569がいいんじゃないかと…

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

agreeing
notsure/nottotally/comments
notagreeing

Sylphi wrote:
Sorry for being late. Hi! Don't worry

[Kantan]
00:36:069 (50) - Consider changing to k for consistency. comparing to other similar sound (or considering overall patterns), only this is started with kat.
Oh yeah I've fix it yesterday :p
00:43:269 (63,64,65) - 00:48:069 (70,71,72) - I think It's not good idea to use different color patterns though these are similar pitch patterns. in these part, using same pattern would make beginners able to play more easier probably.
Applied
00:51:069 (75,76,77) - It should be changed to d k d for consistency with 00:55:869. there is no reason that these similar things is diffrent.
I think holding current one is fine. The reason is I'm following main pitches at making third one don on both cases. So making just the middle note different shouldn't be that problem imo :p. Also dinamicity :3
01:12:969 (103,104) - Swap these for consistency with 01:08:469 - 01:17:769 (108,109) -.
Fixed!
01:21:669 (111) - Change to k for consistency.
I think using don to emphatise next kat is fine. Also isn't that different than before one
01:32:469 (122,123) - Swap these. overall feeling (melody, drums, etc.) not changed. so there is no reason to start with k.
I think melody changes from 01:27:669 - . That kick sound (kat one) is fine imo also next 4/1 does the same
02:08:169 (48) - Well, It may be asked whether It's necessary to map 5 stream with 1/1 divisor. consequently, it make continuous long patterns appear immediately. I think It would be nice to add note on 02:10:569 and make it 5 stream instead.
Yeah I've remapped almost whole kiais yesterday but forgot to update xD
02:12:969 (59) - Similar reason as above. If you apply above mod, It should be removed for consistency.
^
[Futsuu]
00:06:219 (3) - 00:07:419 (6) - 01:27:819 (15) - 01:29:019 (18) - Yeah, there is definitely sound. but It's hard to catch the rhythm at this difficulty.
I think isn't that hard to be honest. They're simply a double with emphasis on second kick ^^
00:23:469 (46) - Seeing other similar thing, that all are started with don note.
Changed!
00:27:369 (60) - Change to k for consistency. Also, in the melody, It's little higher than previous thing.
Right! Also consistency with 00:22:569 (44) -
00:35:469 (86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93) - Similar as 00:23:469. there is no specific reason (sound, pattern, etc.) to change the basic shape. It just make the flow break, make players feel weird consequently.
It's just about dinamicity. Isn't that hard to read considering there's only one note difference between them :p
00:40:569 (103) - the pitch is higher than previous thing. how about changing this to kat?
Agree
00:41:769 (106,107,108,109) - Considering the melody, k d d k would be more fit the music.
Sounds great
00:46:569 (118,119,120,121) - Same as above.
Holding it to make it a little different, also third and fourth are more important than others imo
01:00:969 (152,153) - Swap these for consistency with 01:05:769 (161,162)
Done
01:34:269 (33) - Change to k for making pattern? ddd / kkk feels not bad for me.
First one is more descendant than second one so making this to emphatise third note on both cases is fine :p
01:45:669 (10) - 01:43:269 (6) - Respectively k, d for consistency with after these patterns.
Same reason as above
01:56:769 (2,3) - Most patterns in kiai time basically has the pattern like as o___o_o_o_... but only this thing starts with o_ooo_o_o_... shape. actually, itself doesn't matter. but if you consider consistency with 02:06:069, it should be removed.
Fixed
02:03:369 (26) - k for consistency.
Fixed
[Muzukashii]
00:08:619 (11) - It's a bit weird feeling and there is actually no sound to map.
I feel like there's sound, and it's clearly a kat so holding
00:16:569 (41) - k for consistency.
Done
00:21:669 (62) - How about moving this to 00:21:519 following the melody? as result, it would be more natural to play, I think...
00:24:069 (75) - 00:26:469 (87) - 00:28:869 (100) - Similar as above. but It's not forced.
Hmmm I feel like current one is more natural than that. New rhythm on Kiai starts on 00:21:669 - exactly so using kick here is fine ^^
00:30:669 (110,111,112,113,114) - It makes me feel awkward. I think, it's necessary to change to o_o_o_o___o pattern because the actual melody is like that. Same opinion about the follow things:
00:33:069 (123,124,125,126,127) - Same as above
00:35:469 (136,137,138,139,140) -
00:37:869 (149,150,151,152,153) -
I'm not totally sure if I'm changing second half of Kiai's right now tbh. I was thinking a lot about this but I feel a melody change between first half and second. For now I'm holding but if I'm requested... I'll change :p
00:41:769 (167) - Should be k to follow melody. It's higher than previous thing.
Fixed
00:45:669 (181) - k for consistency with 00:40:869 (164)
I think changing both for d d is better tho
00:46:269 (183,184) - Swapping these would be more fit the music, in my opinion.
Hmmm holding current one for now, I think it's better
00:52:269 (207) - Considering 00:56:469 part, It would be better to change to don for consistency.
You're right changed
00:58:869 - There is a big gap between Futsuu and Muzukashii even considering the feeling of this part. It probably can fix if you remove some 1/4 triplet... I think, It needs to reduce more the density on Muzukashii.
Futsuu vs Muzukashii
Totally right, fixed!
01:34:569 (348) - 01:35:619 - Respectively, Change to kat, Add don. It probably make patterns look more balanced, in my opinion.
Uhh I like this section to be honest. Holding for now :p
01:42:519 (372) - 01:43:719 (375) - Swap these for consistency.
Hmm I'm holding since I'm following the high pitch here so there's not the same through the whole section
01:51:219 (402) - Remove for consistency.
Fixed
01:57:369 - Same as 00:21:669
Same comment
02:06:069 - Similar as 00:30:669. It seems to be intended to make more harder but I feel like that some rhythm placement is not fit the music.
Same ^^

Really thanks for modding boy! Don't worry about late, still really helpful and sorry if I've fixed somethings by myself, forgot to update :c

Kin

Beatmap Nominator

2,623 posts

Joined August 2010

Kin 8 years ago

Hi there!

[Inner Oni]

00:12:669 (34,35,36,37,38,39) - How about using k ddkdk ? According to the way you used k to follow the melody, I'd say, it's pretty decent here.
00:15:144 (55) - Might be just me. But I think this k, create a weird flow. I'd suggest you to remove it. Or, you can maybe change it to d, but if you change it to d, I'd also suggest you to change this one 00:14:919 (53) - into a k, for a better flow.
00:19:869 (94) - change this one into k ? It flow pretty well, and sounds good with the melody & your dkddk.
00:21:069 (104,105,106,107) - those doublet are quite weird to play in my opinion. There's no real sound here 00:21:144 - & you're even skipping this drum 00:21:219 - . It also suddenly break your k spam, which follow the background melody. I'd highly suggest you to just move this note 00:21:144 (105) - 1/4 later.
00:21:069 (104) - If you fixed the previous point, how about changing this one into d ? It goes very well with the melody. Because the k spam, does follow the melody using the same pitch pretty well, but this one 00:21:069 (104) - goes down.
if you fix both last suggest, don't forget about similar one!
00:29:469 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185) - I know what you're trying to follow with your k on this pattern. However, I'd say using ddkdk k would follow better the melody. We can feel much better the melody increasing in intensity & pitch.
00:31:269 (196,197,198,199,200,201,202) - I know you want to make symmetric/mirror pattern. But it actually flow quite weird. Mainly because this triplet 00:31:269 (196,197,198) - start on 1/1.
00:34:119 (222) - up to you, but this one as k is really cool with the melody.
00:39:669 (275) - This note will get more emphasis as D. Because it's surrounded by k.
01:10:719 (488,489) - how about swapping those note ? I feel like 01:10:869 (489) - will get more emphasis.
01:42:669 - the way your suddenly mapping on drum is quite strange in this case. Changing focus this suddenly in the same part can be quite weird to play.
~~02:20:469 - You can just end your spinner here.~~

[yu]

~~02:20:469 - You can just end spinner here .~~
Nice diff!

[Muzukashii]

00:08:619 (11) - I can understand why you want to use a note here. But consider deleting it? Next part doesn't have any 5 notes 1/2.
00:29:469 (106) - change this one into a d ? those high pitched 00:29:619 (107,108) - will get more emphasis.
00:30:069 - 00:39:669 - Changing your structure the 2nd part of the kiai is quite weird in my opinion. But it's still ok, since it's currently changing at an important point of the kiai.
00:44:394 (180) - better delete this note, it's currently the only triplet in this part.
00:52:869 (213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220) - this patttern is currently the same difficulty as some pattern from your kiai time. I'd highly suggest you to nerf it.
00:57:669 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243) - I'd say almost the same thing here, but I think, just deleting this note 00:58:119 (239) - will be ok.
00:58:869 - 01:08:469 - I know why you're mapping some triplet here. But it'd be actually better to not map in on Muzukashii. Using triplet this way on those kind of slow part, I don't really recommand it for muzu.
01:56:469 - 02:15:669 - there's a lot of triplet in your 2nd kiai. Your 1st kiai doesn't have this much triplet. Consider reducing triplet usage. (at least half). While I'm talking about triplet, I would not recommand using multiple color triplet on muzukashii, for a 200bpm song.
02:20:469 - as I said about other diff, better finish spinner here.

[Futsuu]

00:06:219 (3) - 00:07:419 (6) - even if they're easy to tap, even if I know why you're mapping it, better delete it. You're not using any 1/2 in the next part.
01:13:119 (175) - Almost the same thing as Muzu. I know why you're mapping it, but there's no 1/2 in this part, which kinda make the 1/2 usage quite inconsistent. Better just remove it.
01:18:069 - 01:27:669 - I don't really understand how you're mapping this part, and on what. Maybe it's better to just use a note every 4/1 ? It's really a calm part, and it does follow the strings.
01:27:669 - 01:37:269 - with the current patterns used on this part. I really can't feel any ascending difficulty, with the ascending intensity of the song. I'd highly suggest you to start this part with really simple pattern, and use a little more complex each time the intensity increase.

[Kantan]

the 4/1 break would be actually better here : 00:28:869 - or here 00:30:069 - (using a 4/1 break, before your bookmark, or just after will be better)
01:12:969 (103) - 01:17:769 (108) - Better not use 1/1 on this part. This part is currently more calm than the previous one (and previous one doesn't have any 1/1)
I'd say, it'd be better to delete those note : 01:31:569 (120,121) - 01:33:969 (125) - for a better density increase according to the intensity increase from the song.
01:55:869 (21) - I'd say, better let 4/1 break before starting your kiai.
01:56:469 - 02:15:669 - your 4/1 break on this kiai is quite strange in my opinion. Better use the same structure as the 1st kiai, of if you want something different, try to find something more consistent.

[]

~~I'm still not done. Just sleeping a while & I'll finish your mod!~~
Later than expected, but I'm now done!
good luck!

Jaltzu

771 posts

Joined April 2013

Jaltzu 8 years ago

Hello, M4M from my queue

Muzu

00:20:319 - I feel like there should be k here.
00:23:319 (72) - Change to k since the sound is same as in 00:23:019 (70,71) -
00:24:969 (82) - Change to d to make it more distinct from 00:24:669 (80) -
00:29:469 (106) - Change to d because the pitch rises significantly at 00:29:619 (107) -
00:40:869 (166) - k fits way better imo.
00:42:069 (170) - ↑
00:42:369 (171,172) - dk
00:44:769 (182) - Change to d and move to 00:45:069. Fits the rhythm better
00:45:669 (185) - k

00:46:869 (189,190,191,192,193) - Maybe this instead:

00:48:369 (194,195,196) - k k d
01:08:169 (289,290,291) - kkk
01:36:669 (358) - d to emphasize pitch change at 01:36:969 (359) -
01:37:269 (360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384) - The number of unmapped sounds in this part makes it feel kinda awkward. Maybe add a few doubles or something?

Oni

00:11:169 (22,23,24) + 00:13:569 (36,37,38) + 00:15:969 (51,52,53) - I feel like these could be d k k instead
00:14:469 (42,43,44,45,46) - d k k d k fits better imo.
00:45:819 (251) - k for the background drum sound?
00:51:819 (284) - k so that it matches 00:49:419 (270) -
I like this pattern: Add k to 01:09:369 , Ctrl+G to 01:09:519 (379,380) - (or both d) and change 01:09:969 (381) - to d
01:11:469 (388) - Move to 01:11:769
01:16:419 (412) - Change to d and add k to 01:16:569
01:45:969 (499,500,501,502,503,504) - d k k kdk Sounds better.

Inner Oni

00:09:519 Add k
00:14:469 (48,49,50,51,52) - I think ddkkd fits the pitch changes better.
00:30:969 (194) - Change to k
00:33:369 (216) - ↑
00:35:769 (238) - ↑
00:38:169 (260) - ↑
00:38:469 (262,263,264,265,266,267) - I like kdd kkd better.
00:46:869 (324,325,326) - I think this should be ddd both to match lower pitch/volume and to emphasize 00:48:069 (332,333,334) -
00:53:769 (377,378) - Ctrl+G
00:57:969 (410) - k
01:12:969 (497) - d to distinguish it from 01:12:819 (496) -

Overall, pretty solid mapset. Not sure how much of my feedback is actually useful at this point, but hope it helps at least a bit. GL for rank.

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

Kin wrote:
Hi there! Hi Kin!

[Inner Oni]

00:12:669 (34,35,36,37,38,39) - How about using k ddkdk ? According to the way you used k to follow the melody, I'd say, it's pretty decent here.
Yeah I agree with you on this ^^ changed
00:15:144 (55) - Might be just me. But I think this k, create a weird flow. I'd suggest you to remove it. Or, you can maybe change it to d, but if you change it to d, I'd also suggest you to change this one 00:14:919 (53) - into a k, for a better flow.
Uhh I'm doubting a lot with this one tbh. I feel like this one doesn't matter at that point as being really important on this way since current main pitches (00:15:369 (58) - as k and 00:15:219 (56,57) - as d) are well followed so it just makes this a little more dynamic :p. I think I'll hold it
00:19:869 (94) - change this one into k ? It flow pretty well, and sounds good with the melody & your dkddk.
fixed
00:21:069 (104,105,106,107) - those doublet are quite weird to play in my opinion. There's no real sound here 00:21:144 - & you're even skipping this drum 00:21:219 - . It also suddenly break your k spam, which follow the background melody. I'd highly suggest you to just move this note 00:21:144 (105) - 1/4 later.
I think using 00:21:069 (104,107) - as kats is the most important thing on this section. Using these doubles create a great emphasis about these strong sounds. About following the middle note I think isn't that neccesary since I focus on the strong sounds (specially when using kat notes). ~~My doubles noo ; ; jk~~
00:21:069 (104) - If you fixed the previous point, how about changing this one into d ? It goes very well with the melody. Because the k spam, does follow the melody using the same pitch pretty well, but this one 00:21:069 (104) - goes down.
if you fix both last suggest, don't forget about similar one!
Well I got your point. Previous kat kind of rest importance on this hard kick but I think they're pretty neccesary according to rhythm. Just by using 4 kats in a row I don't feel like it's a real kat spam; I've seen lot of maps using even more streaks o:
00:29:469 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185) - I know what you're trying to follow with your k on this pattern. However, I'd say using ddkdk k would follow better the melody. We can feel much better the melody increasing in intensity & pitch.
This 7notestream is commented a lot lol. I think current pattern isn't that good tbh but neccesary. I don't want to delete 7notestream cause I feel there's good rhythm to be mapped and also it's pretty fun for Inner Oni. Maybe I'll change to dkddkdk but for now I'm holding this ;;
00:31:269 (196,197,198,199,200,201,202) - I know you want to make symmetric/mirror pattern. But it actually flow quite weird. Mainly because this triplet 00:31:269 (196,197,198) - start on 1/1.
Agree with you. Deleted some notes to make a better flow here ^^
00:34:119 (222) - up to you, but this one as k is really cool with the melody.
tbh I would prefer highly the current one since the only high pitch that I feel is right on 00:34:269 (223) - so using kat on that one could rest emphasis on that one ^^
00:39:669 (275) - This note will get more emphasis as D. Because it's surrounded by k.
Agree! Fixed ~
01:10:719 (488,489) - how about swapping those note ? I feel like 01:10:869 (489) - will get more emphasis.
Agree aswell
01:42:669 - the way your suddenly mapping on drum is quite strange in this case. Changing focus this suddenly in the same part can be quite weird to play.
Yeah! I'm totally doubting about this... I'm in the limbo of something rankable/fun. I would really love if someone else help me with this one since I think it's completely readable but it's a little strange while playing. I'll try to hold it but if I really need to change then will do :3
~~02:20:469 - You can just end your spinner here.~~
fixed!
[Muzukashii]
00:08:619 (11) - I can understand why you want to use a note here. But consider deleting it? Next part doesn't have any 5 notes 1/2.
I was really doubting about this tbh. I think current one is fine according to using 5 notes chain for a section change and totally following rhythm. I'll hold this for now but can wait for another comment about it :p
00:29:469 (106) - change this one into a d ? those high pitched 00:29:619 (107,108) - will get more emphasis.
fixed ~
00:30:069 - 00:39:669 - Changing your structure the 2nd part of the kiai is quite weird in my opinion. But it's still ok, since it's currently changing at an important point of the kiai.
Well you're right. Skylish told me the same about this. I was about to change this because consistency but if you hear this carefully you can notice there's a rhythm difference between the first half and second one ^^. I don't want honestly to change this but if it's really neccesary... then I'll need to do ; ;
00:44:394 (180) - better delete this note, it's currently the only triplet in this part.
b...but there's a instrument shake ; ; and section change so I think holding is fine :C
00:52:869 (213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220) - this patttern is currently the same difficulty as some pattern from your kiai time. I'd highly suggest you to nerf it.
yeah it's even harder lol I deleted 00:53:319 (216) -
00:57:669 (236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243) - I'd say almost the same thing here, but I think, just deleting this note 00:58:119 (239) - will be ok.
fixed
00:58:869 - 01:08:469 - I know why you're mapping some triplet here. But it'd be actually better to not map in on Muzukashii. Using triplet this way on those kind of slow part, I don't really recommand it for muzu.
It's kinda same reason as I've told b4. Following the current drum shake (even on slow part) is pretty nice and doesn't confuse anyone because song style :p
01:56:469 - 02:15:669 - there's a lot of triplet in your 2nd kiai. Your 1st kiai doesn't have this much triplet. Consider reducing triplet usage. (at least half). While I'm talking about triplet, I would not recommand using multiple color triplet on muzukashii, for a 200bpm song.
Yeah you're totally right. I made some changes on second kiai (deleted triplets and fixed different colour patterns)
02:20:469 - as I said about other diff, better finish spinner here.
Done
[Futsuu]

00:06:219 (3) - 00:07:419 (6) - even if they're easy to tap, even if I know why you're mapping it, better delete it. You're not using any 1/2 in the next part.
Well I agree with you about not having a great consistency at all but I think I'm gonna hold them because I want to emphatise a different section against the first one. Doubles sound currently great imo and if I add some of them on next section it could be too hard w
01:13:119 (175) - Almost the same thing as Muzu. I know why you're mapping it, but there's no 1/2 in this part, which kinda make the 1/2 usage quite inconsistent. Better just remove it.
Uhh I'm not totally sure about this tbh. But if you hear from 01:12:969 - I think that little shake in the instrument deserves to be mapped. I think isn't that hard for this section since isn't that slow compared to 01:18:069 - so using this for emphatising section change is good ^^
01:18:069 - 01:27:669 - I don't really understand how you're mapping this part, and on what. Maybe it's better to just use a note every 4/1 ? It's really a calm part, and it does follow the strings.
Yeah I totally agree with you. I changed to 4/1 usage and following the flute :3
01:27:669 - 01:37:269 - with the current patterns used on this part. I really can't feel any ascending difficulty, with the ascending intensity of the song. I'd highly suggest you to start this part with really simple pattern, and use a little more complex each time the intensity increase.
Agree aswell fixed ~
[Kantan]
the 4/1 break would be actually better here : 00:28:869 - or here 00:30:069 - (using a 4/1 break, before your bookmark, or just after will be better)
Hmmm I was a little confused with this tbh. On a first instance I used the current one because there's the section change and I'd pref to map it cuz it's really high. Then I tried your suggest (second one) and I made some changes through the Kiai so I change to that.
01:12:969 (103) - 01:17:769 (108) - Better not use 1/1 on this part. This part is currently more calm than the previous one (and previous one doesn't have any 1/1)
Hmmm since I'm following the drum I think current one is better; there's a real calm part compared to 00:58:869 - . You can hear the flute difference
I'd say, it'd be better to delete those note : 01:31:569 (120,121) - 01:33:969 (125) - for a better density increase according to the intensity increase from the song.
tbh I just pref deleting 01:31:569 (120) - according to your same reason
01:55:869 (21) - I'd say, better let 4/1 break before starting your kiai.
I pref holding current one since there's already a 4/1 break on 01:58:869 - and isn't that dense imo. Also it breaks a little the current consistency and there's a good sound that deserves to be mapped on 01:55:869 (21) -
01:56:469 - 02:15:669 - your 4/1 break on this kiai is quite strange in my opinion. Better use the same structure as the 1st kiai, of if you want something different, try to find something more consistent.
I made some changes on this ^^
[]

~~I'm still not done. Just sleeping a while & I'll finish your mod!~~
Later than expected, but I'm now done!
good luck!

Really thanks for modding! Thanks for wishing luck aswell lol

Last edited by Aisha 8 years ago, edited 3 times in total.

Kith190

178 posts

Joined November 2015

Kith190 8 years ago

Hi NM as asked here

[General]
Since Oni wasn't made by you it should be considered as a main part of your mapset and has to follow the star spread. The difference held between kantan , futsuu and muzu isn't the same as between muzu-oni and oni-inner so... try to fix the spread
[Kantan]
00:15:069 - change to k (?)
00:22:869 (25,26) - i think that one of those should be k
00:44:469 - this is a low tone so d
00:44:469 - here i would place k d k d
00:54:069 (81) - this is a low tone so d
01:36:669 - I think that d would follow better this part according to the sound of 01:31:269 (119,120,121) - and 01:33:669 (124,125,126) -
01:59:469 - here you should put something because later on you don't leave a rest as this one and there is an evident sound
02:09:069 - same ^

[Futsuu]
00:08:619 - place a k or move here this one 00:08:769 -
00:25:269 (53) - d
00:34:869 - d
00:36:969 - k
00:36:969 - k
01:52:269 - k
02:00:969 (16,17) - control + g would be better to play
02:03:369 (24,25) - same ^
02:10:269 (47) - d for same reason^

[Muzukashii]
00:15:369 (37) - k
00:17:769 - k
00:27:369 - same sound as 00:28:569 -
00:51:369 - k (?)
01:34:569 (349) - i would suggest k
01:58:569 - k as 01:57:369 -
02:03:369 - same ^

[_yu68's Oni]
Pretty cool like this! there's only the problem I mentioned in General ^^

[Inner Oni]
here I would change just a pair of notes maybe nor worth mentioning. Nice work!

Hope this was helpful! Good luck for ranking!!

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

Jaltzu wrote:
Hello, M4M from my queue Hey Jalt :3 thanks for comming!

Muzu
00:20:319 - I feel like there should be k here.
I would prefer a break before kiai instead making this that complex ;
00:23:319 (72) - Change to k since the sound is same as in 00:23:019 (70,71) -
fixed lol
00:24:969 (82) - Change to d to make it more distinct from 00:24:669 (80) -
but both sounds at same pitch I can feel :p holding ^^
00:29:469 (106) - Change to d because the pitch rises significantly at 00:29:619 (107) -
hahah I did on Kin mod so thanks for noticing too
00:40:869 (166) - k fits way better imo.
I think that could rest some importance of current k d who are following descendant rhythm :p
00:42:069 (170) - ↑
^
00:42:369 (171,172) - dk
Fixed
00:44:769 (182) - Change to d and move to 00:45:069. Fits the rhythm better
since I'm currently following drums instead the piano (or what the fuck that is) holding the current one is better specially talking about consistency
00:45:669 (185) - k
Same reason as above ; ;
00:46:869 (189,190,191,192,193) - Maybe this instead:

Wow that feels really good. Fixed even I'm not sure talking about consistency with that o:
00:48:369 (194,195,196) - k k d
Hmm still about following drums instead the cymbal ; w
01:08:169 (289,290,291) - kkk
Agree and changed next one to D
01:36:669 (358) - d to emphasize pitch change at 01:36:969 (359) -
Fixed
01:37:269 (360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384) - The number of unmapped
sounds in this part makes it feel kinda awkward. Maybe add a few doubles or something?
It's such a calm section... I think there's not neccesity to overmap this since the real fast part starts from 01:46:869 - and there's not a real fast sound to overmap

Inner Oni
00:09:519 Add k
I think that isn't neccesary. I got your point since there's a real slight cymbal sound but I would prefer to hold it since there's the slow part and that could be overmapped
00:14:469 (48,49,50,51,52) - I think ddkkd fits the pitch changes better.
I think current kkddk is fine since there's an ascendant rhythm according to drums (specially at 00:14:469 (48,52) - as kat)
00:30:969 (194) - Change to k
Fixed cuz kick
00:33:369 (216) - ↑
Already made ^^
00:35:769 (238) - ↑
^
00:38:169 (260) - ↑
^
00:38:469 (262,263,264,265,266,267) - I like kdd kkd better.
I agree with using kkd on the first pattern but second one needs to start with don since there's ascendant sound so if I use kat on first notes that will loss real importance
00:46:869 (324,325,326) - I think this should be ddd both to match lower pitch/volume and to emphasize 00:48:069 (332,333,334) -
Hmmm nah this one 00:47:169 (324) - is really higher compared to two next notes so k d d is fine imo
00:53:769 (377,378) - Ctrl+G
b...but they're both kats lol xD
00:57:969 (410) - k
fixed~
01:12:969 (497) - d to distinguish it from 01:12:819 (496) -
not currently neccesary since that emphatises next dons that are being used for the ascendant section change^^
Overall, pretty solid mapset. Not sure how much of my feedback is actually useful at this point, but hope it helps at least a bit. GL for rank.

Thanks about comment! Your feedback was really helpful so thanks for modding boy : D D

Kith190 wrote:
Hi NM as asked here Hi! Thanks for coming ^^
[General]
Since Oni wasn't made by you it should be considered as a main part of your mapset and has to follow the star spread. The difference held between kantan , futsuu and muzu isn't the same as between muzu-oni and oni-inner so... try to fix the spread
The current spread is fine imo. Even SR isn't that main problem on this current note difference is good between diffs (acceptable maybe xD. So I don't get why you're wondering about the lower diff spread ;
[Kantan]
00:15:069 - change to k (?)
I think that's so high for that section. By using kat that could be a little strong compared to the current d d d so I'll hold it ^^
00:22:869 (25,26) - i think that one of those should be k
I don't feel like one of them have a different pitch than the other tbh :c
00:44:469 - this is a low tone so d
Agree! Also consistency with 00:39:669 (59) -
00:44:469 - here i would place k d k d
I pref having a consistency and using some 4/1 breaks instead overmapping it :p
00:54:069 (81) - this is a low tone so d
I feel like there's a difference about this 00:49:269 (73) - and the before ones. The one you're pointing has almost the same pitch than this so it would be nice if I hold because consistency aswell
01:36:669 - I think that d would follow better this part according to the sound of 01:31:269 (119,120,121) - and 01:33:669 (124,125,126) -
But there's not reason to make them difference since they have the same pitch ; ;
01:59:469 - here you should put something because later on you don't leave a rest as this one and there is an evident sound
Kind of same comment as above. 4/1 breaks are pretty neccesary on a 200 bpm song so it would be so dense if I don't leave it
02:09:069 - same ^
^
[Futsuu]
00:08:619 - place a k or move here this one 00:08:769 -
Uhh... that would be so hard for the beggining imo :c. Let's let some action for Kiai
00:25:269 (53) - d
Why? D: there's no reason to make it different to 00:20:469 (38) - since it's a high pitch compared to 00:22:869 (46) -
00:34:869 - d
^
00:36:969 - k
^
00:36:969 - k
^
01:52:269 - k
^ (also I don't get why you suggest to change'em ;
02:00:969 (16,17) - control + g would be better to play
^
02:03:369 (24,25) - same ^
^
02:10:269 (47) - d for same reason^
There's the same pitch on the three notes so it emphatises next don ^^
[Muzukashii]
00:15:369 (37) - k
I think using current d d is fine according to drum and guitar. There's not neccesity to use k d to emphatise descendant sound imo ^^
00:17:769 - k
^
00:27:369 - same sound as 00:28:569 -
The first one is really low compared to second. This helps at focusing on the ascendant pitch
00:51:369 - k (?)
But there's no reason to do ; ; I don't get why since it's low pitch :p
01:34:569 (349) - i would suggest k
I made another changes here instead that :3
01:58:569 - k as 01:57:369 -
02:03:369 - same ^
According to same reason I wrote above I'll hold them ^^
[Inner Oni]
here I would change just a pair of notes maybe nor worth mentioning. Nice work!
ThaNks! :3

Hope this was helpful! Good luck for ranking!!

Thanks for modding! It was helpful even I didn't accept at all it helped me for retaking a look

_yu68

Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017

492 posts

Joined March 2015

_yu68 8 years ago

Sylphi wrote:
[_yu68's Oni]
00:47:919 (261) - 変な所にマップされた感じがちょっとあるので、00:47:769に移したほうがいいんじゃないかと… moved
01:13:869 (400) - この辺は何を基準でマップしたのかよくわかりませんが、一応メロディー基準で見ると、ここよりは01:14:169のほうが曲には合うんです。スネアのような音を基準に、単調にならないようにするために様々なパターンを使っています。01:08:769 - や01:13:569 - などはスネアのような音を無視して3/2を使うことで、breakの役割を持たせています。
01:16:269 (411) - これも似た感じです、ここよりは01:16:569がいいんじゃないかと… 同様にkeepとさせていただきます

Kin wrote:
[yu]

~~02:20:469 - You can just end spinner here .~~ fixed
Nice diff! thanks <3

Jaltzu wrote:
Oni
00:11:169 (22,23,24) + 00:13:569 (36,37,38) + 00:15:969 (51,52,53) - I feel like these could be d k k instead keep to show drum sounds
00:14:469 (42,43,44,45,46) - d k k d k fits better imo. keep because of same reason
00:45:819 (251) - k for the background drum sound? changed
00:51:819 (284) - k so that it matches 00:49:419 (270) - keep for diversity
I like this pattern: Add k to 01:09:369 , Ctrl+G to 01:09:519 (379,380) - (or both d) and change 01:09:969 (381) - to d i want to suppress long a little 1/2 to make this part as calmer
01:11:469 (388) - Move to 01:11:769 keep to fit snare
01:16:419 (412) - Change to d and add k to 01:16:569 keep because of same reason
01:45:969 (499,500,501,502,503,504) - d k k kdk Sounds better. keep to show drum sounds

Thanks mod

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davidminh0111

Beatmap Nominator

1,358 posts

Joined January 2017

davidminh0111 8 years ago

Hello xfrac, from my modding queue:

[Kantan]
Your HP is too high, do 7 or 6.5 only

00:23:469: Change to k to flow better

00:37:869: ^

01:15:669:^ (not flow better, fit the pitch (slow down the song and you will get it or idk))

[Futsuu]
00:17:769: Add a note here to create a same amount of notes as the previous flow

00:24:969 (53 ,54): Ctrl + G to flow better. The k k will make it better : )

00:44:469 (114, 115): Ctrl + G again. Fit the pitch

[Muzukashii]
Well, good already

[_yu68's Oni]
00:25:719: kdk? I think it will fit the pitch and has a better flow on the previous note

00:36:819 to 00:37:119: Seems a little weird here. First, add k 00:36:819 in here and delete this note at 00:37:119 Idk, that's my opinion.

01:08:469: D ? Strong emphasis

02:04:119: How about kkd here to make a variation in 02:02:019 in this triplets

That's all, I didn't find any issue on Inner
Nice map, going for rank, GL xfrac.

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

davidminh0111 wrote:
Hello xfrac, from my modding queue: Hey david! Thanks for coming!

[Kantan]
Your HP is too high, do 7 or 6.5 only
I'd pref this one because this is a 200bpm song so Kantan players will get a little challenged with this already. Also I want to set up this different with Futsuu HP (also OD).
00:23:469: Change to k to flow better
Alright! Fixed consistency aswell
00:37:869: ^
Holding to have consistency with 00:33:069 (45) -
01:15:669:^ (not flow better, fit the pitch (slow down the song and you will get it or idk))
Holding cause it's great to emphatise next 01:12:069 (102) -
[Futsuu]
00:17:769: Add a note here to create a same amount of notes as the previous flow
This have consistency with 00:12:069 (18,19,20,21) - where isn't any note
00:24:969 (53 ,54): Ctrl + G to flow better. The k k will make it better : )
This have consistency with 00:20:469 (38) - (starts with k)
00:44:469 (114, 115): Ctrl + G again. Fit the pitch
But this is descendant sound so k d is currently fine
[Muzukashii]
Well, good already Thanks!

That's all, I didn't find any issue on Inner
Nice map, going for rank, GL xfrac.

Thanks for modding! : D. Proud to read Inner and Muzu are currently fine

OzzyOzrock

5,185 posts

Joined August 2010

OzzyOzrock 8 years ago

Placeholder post.

However, my main concern is why you chose to map the chorus like you did, with x x x x xxxxx x xxxxx x xxxxx, when I don't see how it really fits anything the song is doing. 00:30:069 - is much nicer to me, since it seems to be a typical taiko improv instead of maping xxxxx to nothing.

Also 02:06:219 (841,842,843,844,845) - is inconsistent with the other x x x x starts (so i dont forget)

[General]

Raise all non-kiai volumes by 10%. Hanging around 50-60 isn't that good for hit feedback.

[Inner Oni]

00:39:669 - You only really use kkd here, not bad but weird to lack variation like that.
01:08:469 - This section is really inconsistent with there you put 1/2 doubles, sometimes you do sometimes you don't.
01:54:219 (726) - d? D? Flows better than spamming k.
01:56:844 (750) - May as well remove this since no other part like this has 1/4.
02:09:894 - Isn't a 1/4 missing here?

[yu68's Oni]

Good. Reminds me of my pattern style...

[Muzukashii]

00:21:069 (60) - d? Too many ks here.
00:56:169 (229) - k? I get the first d d d but this one makes less sense.
00:58:869 - Muzu might want less notes at this section.
01:35:769 (352) - d? I just don't like seeing the same color 4 in a row randomly.
01:46:869 - Try this so you don't lower density so weirdly.
02:06:069 - This bit gets a little too crazy. Tone it down.

[Futsuu]

00:29:169 (66,67,68,69) - Delete these notes to make a break. Feel free to add another 1/2 earlier if you think it's needed.
00:39:969 (103,104) - Deleting these ends kiai nicely but still allows a good break..
01:12:969 (175,176,177) - Unneeded? Keeping it simple works fine.
Apply similar breaks to the second kiai, but maybe 01:55:269 - and 02:04:869 - .
Is there a reason for how you patterned the 1/2 in the second kiai? With more ddd and kkk, kind of simpler than the first.

[Kantan]

00:20:469 - This first kiai is way different from the rest, I think a consistency would be nicer.
01:30:069 - This part might need less notes, since it's a bit iffy with spread when the triples come in.

So basically, if you can explain why Inner Oni kiai isn't some cool flowey d kdk d kkd ddkkd ddk d kdkkddk (or something, I'm sleepy right now ok), then stuff should be fine for the most part.

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

OzzyOzrock wrote:
Placeholder post. Thanks for comming

However, my main concern is why you chose to map the chorus like you did, with x x x x xxxxx x xxxxx x xxxxx, when I don't see how it really fits anything the song is doing. 00:30:069 - is much nicer to me, since it seems to be a typical taiko improv instead of maping xxxxx to nothing.
I'll explain it below ^^

Also 02:06:219 (841,842,843,844,845) - is inconsistent with the other x x x x starts (so i dont forget)
Fixed

[General]
Raise all non-kiai volumes by 10%. Hanging around 50-60 isn't that good for hit feedback.
True! It's currently a little low, increasing +10
[Inner Oni]
00:39:669 - You only really use kkd here, not bad but weird to lack variation like that.
Yeah it's kind of repetitive. Made two of them kdd
01:08:469 - This section is really inconsistent with there you put 1/2 doubles, sometimes you do sometimes you don't.
True, fixed some of them
01:54:219 (726) - d? D? Flows better than spamming k.
Yeah changed, also consistency with 01:51:669 (708,709) -
01:56:844 (750) - May as well remove this since no other part like this has 1/4.
Yup I was about to lol
02:09:894 - Isn't a 1/4 missing here?
Fixed
[Muzukashii]
00:21:069 (60) - d? Too many ks here.
Agree, also consistency with 00:25:869 (86) -
00:56:169 (229) - k? I get the first d d d but this one makes less sense.
Hmmmm I'm not totally sure about this tbh. I think this sound is really low to be a kat note here. I'll leave it for now. I got your point about suggesting k cause it's a little repetitive and lot of dons in a row. I'll let this as don just cause I'm following drums (low) here
00:58:869 - Muzu might want less notes at this section.
Agree, fixed ~
01:35:769 (352) - d? I just don't like seeing the same color 4 in a row randomly.
Fixed~
01:46:869 - Try this so you don't lower density so weirdly.

Nice suggest! Applied
02:06:069 - This bit gets a little too crazy. Tone it down.
I deleted first ddd triples. They were overmapped but I wanted to let kkk since I like making the final part of the song harder than the rest :p
[Futsuu]
00:29:169 (66,67,68,69) - Delete these notes to make a break. Feel free to add another 1/2 earlier if you think it's needed.
But I think current 00:28:269 (63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70) - density is almost same than whole first half of kiai (00:25:869 (55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62) - same amount of notes). Also there's a break just after this one so this shouldn't be that hard imo
00:39:969 (103,104) - Deleting these ends kiai nicely but still allows a good break..
Agree, fixed
01:12:969 (175,176,177) - Unneeded? Keeping it simple works fine.
Well I'm not totally sure about this but I'm following the drum shake here. Also using triple set a difference about first and second half of this part. I can understand if someone else doesn't agree with this so... for now I'll let it
Apply similar breaks to the second kiai, but maybe 01:55:269 - and 02:04:869 - .
Way similar comment as above. I think current 2/1 break after these notes is enough. Also did it on 01:55:869 - . If I delete notes like 01:55:569 (34,35) - it will get really bored and players can get a little confused with this 4/1 break before Kiai considering it starts with 2/1
Is there a reason for how you patterned the 1/2 in the second kiai? With more ddd and kkk, kind of simpler than the first.
Well not real reason to be honest. Fixed
[Kantan]
00:20:469 - This first kiai is way different from the rest, I think a consistency would be nicer.
Fixed
01:30:069 - This part might need less notes, since it's a bit iffy with spread when the triples come in.
Well I think this part is currently the introduction for next section fast-part so I think just deleting 01:31:869 (118) - could be enough to don't make this so hard
So basically, if you can explain why Inner Oni kiai isn't some cool flowey d kdk d kkd ddkkd ddk d kdkkddk (or something, I'm sleepy right now ok), then stuff should be fine for the most part.
Well the main reason is cause on every d k k k or d d k k start (01:56:469 (752,753,754,755) - for example) I'm following the high instrument (tbh I don't get what exactly it's actually xD). Here I think these sounds are really strong so I pref making this pattern to hear it clearly when playing them. Then on next quintuple note it gets more dense so start following drums from here is nice for an Inner Oni diff. I don't want to make the triples for that reason; main first four notes can't be hear nicely so I pref holding them clean

Thanks for comming Ozzy! I hope you got my point about explaining the first kiai notes usage. If someone else have any more comment / question about it let me know please :p

Chromoxx

904 posts

Joined August 2012

Chromoxx 8 years ago

brief irc, looking at the diffs more generally

log

2017-06-28 18:41 xfraczynho: hi chromo
2017-06-28 18:41 Chromoxx: hi
2017-06-28 18:43 xfraczynho: sry, are you currently accepting mod reqs?
2017-06-28 18:43 Chromoxx: not really
2017-06-28 18:43 Chromoxx: i can take a very quick look at your map, leave a few suggestions and post the irc tho
2017-06-28 18:44 xfraczynho: that would be nice tho
2017-06-28 18:44 xfraczynho: want me to np now?
2017-06-28 18:44 Chromoxx: sure
2017-06-28 18:45 xfraczynho: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1297311 Erik McClure - DioSynth]
2017-06-28 18:47 xfraczynho: lol fast dl
2017-06-28 18:48 Chromoxx: pretty good overall
2017-06-28 18:48 Chromoxx: 00:01:269 - you could maybe start it off with a spinner
2017-06-28 18:48 xfraczynho: thanks
2017-06-28 18:48 xfraczynho: hmmm
2017-06-28 18:48 xfraczynho: tbh I like the current break on that section
2017-06-28 18:49 xfraczynho: and I don't feel like an spinner fits at all considering there's more a silence than a long sound
2017-06-28 18:49 Chromoxx: then more general, i feel like the calmer parts are mapped a bit too dense
2017-06-28 18:49 Chromoxx: and that the rythm is pretty repetitive
2017-06-28 18:50 Chromoxx: 00:20:469 - the part here has no 1/1 breaks at all and the rythm keeps repeating itsself
2017-06-28 18:50 xfraczynho: yeah it's repetitive ;
2017-06-28 18:50 xfraczynho: you mean the kiai?
2017-06-28 18:50 Chromoxx: you could go for some type of 1 2 1 2 variation here instead of going o o o o ooooo o ooooo o ooooo o for the entire duration
2017-06-28 18:50 Chromoxx: yea
2017-06-28 18:51 xfraczynho: tbh I had that on a first instance
2017-06-28 18:51 Chromoxx: just have 2 rythms and then alternate between them each measure or something
2017-06-28 18:51 xfraczynho: so when Skylish modded it I changed
2017-06-28 18:51 xfraczynho: cause there's a difference between first half and second
2017-06-28 18:51 xfraczynho: 00:30:069 - from here I change completely the current consistency
2017-06-28 18:52 Chromoxx: well, you could just make the 2nd half a bit more intense than the first half
2017-06-28 18:52 Chromoxx: or introduce new rythms there again
2017-06-28 18:52 Chromoxx: and yea, overall stuff like 00:54:669 - feels a bit too dense without breaks
2017-06-28 18:52 Chromoxx: since the song is pretty calm overall
2017-06-28 18:53 xfraczynho: ok, will take a look where I can put some circles
2017-06-28 18:53 Chromoxx: and the way you use variety in the kiais etc. could be structured a bit better
2017-06-28 18:53 xfraczynho: hmmm yeah that's true
2017-06-28 18:54 Chromoxx: when looking at when you use which patterns i don't really see a clear structure.. this is a more minor thing tho tbh
2017-06-28 18:55 xfraczynho: well most of patterns are pointing to ascendant/descendant rhythm overall
2017-06-28 18:55 Chromoxx: muzu seems fine density wise
2017-06-28 18:55 xfraczynho: 01:57:069 (753,754,755,756,757) - 01:57:669 (759,760,761,762,763) - for example starting and finishing with kat for ascendant then 01:58:269 (765,766,767,768,769,770,771) - to empathise lower
2017-06-28 18:55 Chromoxx: no big problems
2017-06-28 18:56 xfraczynho: oh finally that trash difficulty
2017-06-28 18:56 xfraczynho: always a problem
2017-06-28 18:56 Chromoxx: futsuu could use a few more 4/1 breaks
2017-06-28 18:56 Chromoxx: in some of the medium intense parts
2017-06-28 18:56 Chromoxx: looks fine overall tho
2017-06-28 18:57 xfraczynho: for example by deleting 00:44:769 (113,114) - ?
2017-06-28 18:57 xfraczynho: what do you think?
2017-06-28 18:57 xfraczynho: 00:39:669 - could be fine also consistency with 00:39:669 - mm
2017-06-28 18:58 Chromoxx: i mean parts like before the first kiai etc.
2017-06-28 18:58 Chromoxx: kantan looks fine overall too... nothing big i noticed
2017-06-28 18:59 xfraczynho: nice
2017-06-28 18:59 Chromoxx: anyway, i gotta go BBQ now... sry if the advice is too general xD

xtrem3x

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Joined July 2009

xtrem3x 8 years ago

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_yu68

Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017

492 posts

Joined March 2015

_yu68 8 years ago

davidminh0111 wrote:
[_yu68's Oni]
00:25:719: kdk? I think it will fit the pitch and has a better flow on the previous note I would keep it in order that can emphasize drums.

00:36:819 to 00:37:119: Seems a little weird here. First, add k 00:36:819 in here and delete this note at 00:37:119 Idk, that's my opinion. added d to 00:36:819 - and deleted a note your mentioned

01:08:469: D ? Strong emphasis I don't think it is neccesary to emphasize because here is calmer part.

02:04:119: How about kkd here to make a variation in 02:02:019 in this triplets changed

Thanks mod!

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_yu68

Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017

492 posts

Joined March 2015

_yu68 8 years ago

Sorry for what I didn't notice the post

Greenshell wrote:
[_yu68's Oni]

00:20:169 (78,79,80) - I think this can be improved. Try something like this?
This way, you can follow the drums more accurately and get better emphasis on the melody through spacing between 00:20:169 (80) - and 00:20:319 (81) -. changed

01:03:894 - I can hear 1/4 sounds here, add a note? Or rather not due to the calmness of this part? I would keep it in order to suppress 1/4 because here is calmer part.

Otherwise solid diff.

Thanks mod!

.osu

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Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

Updated! : D

ayomikasa

180 posts

Joined August 2014

ayomikasa 8 years ago

Hi! Req from xfrac from a long time ago

_yu68's Oni

00:22:194 (95,96) - Ctrl+G
00:25:794 (120) - Change to d
00:31:794 (166,167) - Ctrl+G
00:37:719 (208) - Change to k
01:59:394 (583) - Change to d
02:01:794 (602) - ^
02:02:994 (612,613) - Ctrl+G
02:07:794 (648,649) - ^
02:13:719 (690) - Change to k

Sorry, i can't do japanese

Inner Oni

00:12:894 (36,37) - Ctrl+G
00:51:069 (355,356) - ^
01:51:144 (700) - Change to d
01:53:169 (718) - Change to k

Sorry for the bad mod

Good luck for ranking this map

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

ayomikasa wrote:
Hi! Req from xfrac from a long time ago
Heey lol didn't even remember xD but ty for coming!

Inner Oni
00:12:894 (36,37) - Ctrl+G
I think these 00:12:969 (37,38,39) - deserves a real kdk so don before it emphatises great
00:51:069 (355,356) - ^
But the kick is on the middle note so I'm holding it
01:51:144 (700) - Change to d
I don't want to make same pattern as 01:49:869 (688,689,690,691,692) - . Also this makes a greater emphasis on ascendant melody :d
01:53:169 (718) - Change to k
I think that could create a overload of kat-starting streams :/ so I'll hold it

Sorry for the bad mod
Good luck for ranking this map

Don't worry about it, every mods/comments/feedbacks are useful! Thanks for comming boy, also for the good luck : D D

_yu68

Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017

492 posts

Joined March 2015

_yu68 8 years ago

blue=change
red=keep

ayomikasa wrote:
_yu68's Oni
00:22:194 (95,96) - Ctrl+G I would keep it to emphasize drum and make diversity.
00:25:794 (120) - Change to d keep to prevent too many d
00:31:794 (166,167) - Ctrl+G same as 00:22:269 (96) -
00:37:719 (208) - Change to k keep for ease of playing and reading
01:59:394 (583) - Change to d changed
02:01:794 (602) - ^ keep to prevent too many d
02:02:994 (612,613) - Ctrl+G changed 02:02:994 (612) - to d considering diversity
02:07:794 (648,649) - ^ keep because of same reason as above
02:13:719 (690) - Change to k keep for ease of playing and reading

Sorry, i can't do japanese no problem :3

Thanks mod!

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Hanjamon

1,461 posts

Joined June 2012

Hanjamon 8 years ago

Hey frac~ sorry for the delay, here is my mod as you requested.

d=Don
D=Big Don
k=Katsu
K=Big Katsu

[General]

Bookmarks unsnapped, resnap them!!!! (i'm joking lol xD)

[Kantan]

00:07:569 - de aqui hasta 00:10:869 - haria esto para mejorar el spread con la Futsuu: añade d en 00:07:869 - 00:08:169 - , elimina 00:09:969 - y cambia
00:09:669 - a k, este ultimo sugiero el cambio a k por que en caso de aceptar eliminar las anteriores añaderia mas variedad en vez de solo d y como notaras, en 00:09:669 - y 00:10:269 - la melodia es diferente.
00:15:369 - creo que no haria daño añadir un k/d aqui, ya que tienes un 1/1 largo en la Futsuu.
01:29:469 - añadir un d en 01:29:469 - y 01:29:769 - ? ya que tienes un triplete en la Futsuu y ayuda en el spread.

[Futsuu]

00:45:369 - sugiero eliminar esta nota, ya que queda inconsistente a 00:40:569 - , en el cual no tienes nota.
00:53:619 - sugiero añadir un k en 00:53:619 - y 00:58:419 - para un mejor spread con la Muzu, ya que tienes tripletes en esa misma parte.
01:01:119 - al igual que ^, añadir un d en 01:01:119 - y 01:05:919 - ?

[Muzukashii]

00:25:419 - , 00:30:219 - , 00:35:019 - , sugiero tener algunos 2/1 break aqui al igual como en la Futsuu, ya que en 200 bpm y es bastante denso aun para una Muzu xD.
02:01:419 - , 02:06:219 - , 02:11:019 - ^
01:17:619 - añadir un d creo que no estaria mal aqui, entiendo que tienes un kd en la Muzu, pero siendo la Futsuu, un dd no haria daño.

[_yu68's Oni]

00:38:694 - as this part it feels easier than before, change this note to k? (kkkkd)
02:14:694 - if you applied ^, same here.

[Inner Oni]

00:15:069 - este 5plet deberia empezar en 00:15:219 - como en los anteriores patterns ya que queda inconsistente con 00:20:019 - en el que si lo haces.
01:33:294 - se siente muy raro ignorando el sonido de 01:33:294 - y 01:35:694 - , asi que sugiero añadir notas, ademas, sin notas queda inconsistente con 01:34:494 - .
02:04:119 - ya que en 02:01:719 - cambiaste de repente a d, deberias hacer lo mismo en 02:04:119 - para mantener la consistencia.
02:11:319 - lo mismo que ^ en 02:11:319 - y 02:13:719 - .

Good luck~

Aisha

840 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

Hanjamon wrote:
Hey frac~ sorry for the delay, here is my mod as you requested.
Hi Hanja! Don't worry, thanks!

d=Don
D=Big Don
k=Katsu
K=Big Katsu
[General]

Bookmarks unsnapped, resnap them!!!! (i'm joking lol xD)
xD Fuck the offset change >< ><
[Kantan]
00:07:569 - de aqui hasta 00:10:869 - haria esto para mejorar el spread con la Futsuu: añade d en 00:07:869 - 00:08:169 - , elimina 00:09:969 - y cambia
00:09:669 - a k, este ultimo sugiero el cambio a k por que en caso de aceptar eliminar las anteriores añaderia mas variedad en vez de solo d y como notaras, en 00:09:669 - y 00:10:269 - la melodia es diferente.
Mmmm la verdad prefiero dejar el patrón que está ahora básicamente por tres razones; primero el spread está aceptable a mi gusto (si ese es uno de los principales problemas del comentario), segundo la canción está recién comenzando y para ser un 200bpm me gustaría comenzar con notas con 4/1 break y tercero el ritmo en 00:06:069 - es más lento que en 00:08:469 - así que el hecho de comenzar a darle un poco más de notas desde la segunda parte queda bastante bueno
00:15:369 - creo que no haria daño añadir un k/d aqui, ya que tienes un 1/1 largo en la Futsuu.
Algo similar a lo de arriba, prefiría guardar los triples 1/1 para un Kiai ya que el ritmo aumenta considerablemente (también por lo de 'comenzar' la canción relativamente amistosa xD
01:29:469 - añadir un d en 01:29:469 - y 01:29:769 - ? ya que tienes un triplete en la Futsuu y ayuda en el spread.
Similar a los dos comentarios de arriba, también me gustan las dificultades que van de forma ascendente. Este es como un segundo comienzo del mapa así que prefiero que parta con 01:18:069 - 8/1 breaks y 01:27:669 - 4/1 breaks acá, para luego dar pie a los 01:30:069 - 2/1 break (como en el comienzo)
[Futsuu]

00:45:369 - sugiero eliminar esta nota, ya que queda inconsistente a 00:40:569 - , en el cual no tienes nota.
Sí, mejora la consistencia (borré la anterior a esa también )
00:53:619 - sugiero añadir un k en 00:53:619 - y 00:58:419 - para un mejor spread con la Muzu, ya que tienes tripletes en esa misma parte.
Mmmm quizás quedaría muy difícil a mi gusto, prefiero dejarlo como está básicamente porque prefiero guardar los triples para un Kiai
01:01:119 - al igual que ^, añadir un d en 01:01:119 - y 01:05:919 - ?
Similar a lo de arriba, en Muzu usé un 1/2 triple, pero para Futsuu podría ser mejor mantenerlo así (no quiero overmappear las partes consideradas lentas fuera del Kiai)
[Muzukashii]

00:25:419 - , 00:30:219 - , 00:35:019 - , sugiero tener algunos 2/1 break aqui al igual como en la Futsuu, ya que en 200 bpm y es bastante denso aun para una Muzu xD.
02:01:419 - , 02:06:219 - , 02:11:019 - ^
MmmmMmMMMmm jajaj pensándolo harto la verdad creo que sí en parte es un poco denso, pero un Muzu player ya está capacitado para hacer esos patrones, para un Kiai siento que un 1/1 break es... suficiente? De todas formas, esperaré otro comentario para esto, entiendo el hecho de los 200bpm, pero prefiría tener una Muzu un poco más desafiante
01:17:619 - añadir un d creo que no estaria mal aqui, entiendo que tienes un kd en la Muzu, pero siendo la Futsuu, un dd no haria daño.
Suponiendo que te refieres a Futsuu en este caso xD creo que ambas están bien, mis motivos son similares a las diff en general, prefiero mappear cada dificultad como corresponda; independiente que si usé kat o don en una de las dos, cada dificultad tiene su motivo de usar esas notas al menos en mi mapset
[Inner Oni]
00:15:069 - este 5plet deberia empezar en 00:15:219 - como en los anteriores patterns ya que queda inconsistente con 00:20:019 - en el que si lo haces.
Fixed
01:33:294 - se siente muy raro ignorando el sonido de 01:33:294 - y 01:35:694 - , asi que sugiero añadir notas, ademas, sin notas queda inconsistente con 01:34:494 - .
Mmm prefiría no sobremappear los quintuples en esta sección, entiendo tu punto ya que hay un kick pequeño pero prefiero usar triples para no hacer esta parte tan complicada considerando que sólo es una aceleración de ritmo. Sobre la inconsistencia no debería haber problema ya que el quintuple se usa en 01:36:819 - pero extendido para indicar el cambio de sección
02:04:119 - ya que en 02:01:719 - cambiaste de repente a d, deberias hacer lo mismo en 02:04:119 - para mantener la consistencia.
Oh, se me pasó esa nota la verdad xD, prefiero dejarlo como kat ambos, pero sí arreglo la consistencia
02:11:319 - lo mismo que ^ en 02:11:319 - y 02:13:719 - .
Pero en este caso ambas notas son las mismas D: igual, como probablemente notaste el principio se reitera en un d k k k / d d k k cada 4/1 :3
Good luck~
Thankss

Thanks for coming hanja! <3 waiting for yu's reply then updating!

_yu68

Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017

492 posts

Joined March 2015

_yu68 8 years ago

Hanjamon wrote:
[_yu68's Oni]
00:38:694 - as this part it feels easier than before, change this note to k? (kkkkd) I would keep it to emphasize drum. I think it's not too difficult even now.
02:14:694 - if you applied ^, same here. ^

Thanks mod!
I didn't apply the mod but I changed patterns in Kiai to express melody.(Specifically, I changed the places of 1/1.)

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Aisha

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Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

_yu68 wrote:

Hanjamon wrote:
[_yu68's Oni]
00:38:694 - as this part it feels easier than before, change this note to k? (kkkkd) I would keep it to emphasize drum. I think it's not too difficult even now.
02:14:694 - if you applied ^, same here. ^

Thanks mod!
I didn't apply the mod but I changed patterns in Kiai to express melody.(Specifically, I changed the places of 1/1.)

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Stefan 8 years ago

soon

tasuke912

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tasuke912 8 years ago

[

Kantan]

01:37:269 (1) - I understand you followed the melody though, connection between the spinner and next note seems kinda awkward. I recommend that you remove 01:39:669 (1,2,3) - to make interval, or to replace to normal notes.

[

Futsuu]

SV could be 1.3.
01:37:269 (1) - same as Kantan
00:36:369 (90,91,92) - 00:38:769 (98,99,100) - I can't get how triplets in second half of the first kiai have rules. In my opinion, dkd-ddd [A-B-A(reverse)-B(reverse)] or kdk-kkk [A-B-A-B] would be great.
considering first half of the 2nd kiai part, 02:09:969 (45,46,47) - should be kdk, and 02:14:769 (61,62,63) - kkk.

[

Muzukashii]

00:30:669 (112,113,114,115) - Doublets sound weird to me. were I in your place I would make triplets instead.

[

Oni]

01:18:069 (418) - could be big note like other diffs.

[

Inner Oni]

00:50:469 (350,351,352,353) - 00:52:869 (369,370,371,372) - , etc, They don't follow any sound and not make good flow imo. I recommend that you replace to triplets.
01:51:969 (707,708,709,710) - 01:54:369 (729,730,731,732) - ^

Overall mapped well, but usage of doublets in Inner Oni is really questionable to me.

Want more opinions if you keep them.

Good luck.

Aisha

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Topic Starter

Aisha 8 years ago

tasuke912 wrote:
[ Kantan]

01:37:269 (1) - I understand you followed the melody though, connection between the spinner and next note seems kinda awkward. I recommend that you remove 01:39:669 (1,2,3) - to make interval, or to replace to normal notes.
Yeah kick is a little strong, I'm changing the next note to don
[ Futsuu]

SV could be 1.3.
I'd pref to hold it as 1.2 since Futsuu is hard comparing the gap between Kantan and this. Otherwise readibility could be a little hard for it. Anyways receiving more opinions about this (200bpm song by the way)
01:37:269 (1) - same as Kantan
Same~
00:36:369 (90,91,92) - 00:38:769 (98,99,100) - I can't get how triplets in second half of the first kiai have rules. In my opinion, dkd-ddd [A-B-A(reverse)-B(reverse)] or kdk-kkk [A-B-A-B] would be great.
considering first half of the 2nd kiai part, 02:09:969 (45,46,47) - should be kdk, and 02:14:769 (61,62,63) - kkk.
I made both changes, was a little complex tho
[ Muzukashii]
00:30:669 (112,113,114,115) - Doublets sound weird to me. were I in your place I would make triplets instead.
Ok changed to triples, but not changing second Kiai doubles, they fill great
[ Inner Oni]
00:50:469 (350,351,352,353) - 00:52:869 (369,370,371,372) - , etc, They don't follow any sound and not make good flow imo. I recommend that you replace to triplets.
If you take a look carefully you will notice there's not any sound on 00:50:619 - that deserves to be mapped and doubles usage is mostly a variation on this section. Also 00:50:469 (350,351) - gives a good emphasis on descendant melody then 00:50:694 (352,353) - same about ascendant.
01:51:969 (707,708,709,710) - 01:54:369 (729,730,731,732) - ^
It's kind of the same argument I used above
Overall mapped well, but usage of doublets in Inner Oni is really questionable to me.
Want more opinions if you keep them.
Waiting for it ^^. Gotta try to hold them

Good luck.

Thanks for modding! Waiting for yu's reply ~

Stefan

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Stefan 8 years ago

I think I come to the perfect time!

[General]
Although it's not that troublesome but the BPM is "only" 200 so SV 1.4 for the lower difficulties can still work. But like said, that's not urgent and just my thoughts.

[Inner Oni]
00:20:469 (99,100,101,102) - It bothers me reeeeeally that the part sounds so damn plain to me. I could think about adding a note on 00:20:694 - , or remove 00:20:919 (102) - . Both options make it sound less "spammy" imo.
00:22:869 (121,122,123,124) - ^
00:25:269 (144,145,146,147) - ^
00:27:669 (166,167,168,169) - ^
00:39:669 - 00:49:269 - triplet and fivelet usage for this part of song sounds strange imo, maybe one or two triplets to support the music's beat is appropriate but personally I'd be calmer than the current state. from 00:49:269 - it actually starts to be stronger again and to use more technical pattern.
01:32:319 - add 0.80x SV line here, the transistion is smoother afterwards.
01:46:719 - ^ 0.95x

00:50:469 (350,351,352,353) - I agree with tasuke that the doublets aren't the best decision, although you want to have some variety - or even go jiro-style I don't consider them as something contributing in the song or map.
01:51:969 (707,708,709,710) - ^

[Oni]
Good one!

[Muzukashii]
00:22:869 (69,70,71,72,73) - and 00:27:669 (95,96,97,98,99) - I'd change both to dkkdd but also, I find that the 4th note (72 and 98) aren't really needed and doesn't feel placed right. I'd suggest to remove these two notes but in case you don't want you should have them consistent, to dkkdd.
00:25:269 (83,84) - I'd switch them back to dkk, this looks senseless to have kdk with what you've mapped before and after.
00:30:069 - 00:39:669 - You could change the dkk parts to ddk, like you did with 00:37:269 (148,149,150) - .
01:08:469 - 01:18:069 - this looks questionably easy to me, I think you've took it a bit too far and Oni looks extremly dense compared to Muzukashii here.
01:27:669 - 01:51:669 - this section on the other hand looks too similar to Oni and requires some slight nerfes.

[Futsuu]
00:06:069 (2,3) - If all previous difficulties use it I wouldn't say you should do that for the Futsuu, although it fits I don't think it's difficulty-wise a good choice. removing (3) here would be my idea. Repeat this for the following parts.
00:24:969 (53,54) - switch? Sound transistion is odd to me and you barely used kat to end a combo.
00:29:469 (68,69,70) - switching their colours is imo by far a better idea, (69) would go well with the song being lighter here.
00:53:769 (133,134) - The piano sound actually applies on (134), d d k k d looks better to me.
00:51:369 (127) - ^ this on the other hand can be k d k d d, (127) becomes slightly deeper and suits better for that pattern.

[Kantan]
okidoki

Worried about Muzukashii/Futsuu. Muzukashii suffers from difficulty spread to Futsuu and Oni, and Futsuu have some structure and consistency problems.

_yu68

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_yu68 8 years ago

blue=change
red=keep

tasuke912 wrote:
[ Oni]
01:18:069 (418) - could be big note like other diffs. 落ち着いた音なのでbigで強調する必要性はあまり無いように思います。diffごとの統一を徹底する必要も無いと判断したのでkeepします。

Thank you for modding!

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Stefan wrote:
I think I come to the perfect time!

[General]
Although it's not that troublesome but the BPM is "only" 200 so SV 1.4 for the lower difficulties can still work. But like said, that's not urgent and just my thoughts.
I told some friends (not taiko players) to test it as 200bpm so they felt this a little difficulty (cause SV). So I'd pref to stuck as this SV usage

[Inner Oni]
00:20:469 (99,100,101,102) - It bothers me reeeeeally that the part sounds so damn plain to me. I could think about adding a note on 00:20:694 - , or remove 00:20:919 (102) - . Both options make it sound less "spammy" imo.
00:22:869 (121,122,123,124) - ^
00:25:269 (144,145,146,147) - ^
00:27:669 (166,167,168,169) - ^
I pref using the first suggestion, but making some little variations on them ^^
00:39:669 - 00:49:269 - triplet and fivelet usage for this part of song sounds strange imo, maybe one or two triplets to support the music's beat is appropriate but personally I'd be calmer than the current state. from 00:49:269 - it actually starts to be stronger again and to use more technical pattern.
Yeah, agree with this, made some changes on this section
01:32:319 - add 0.80x SV line here, the transistion is smoother afterwards.
I guess you wanted to point 0,9x since it comes from 0,85 to 1,0 xD. Added 01:32:169 - 0,9 here and 01:32:319 - 0,95 here
01:46:719 - ^ 0.95x
Added
00:50:469 (350,351,352,353) - I agree with tasuke that the doublets aren't the best decision, although you want to have some variety - or even go jiro-style I don't consider them as something contributing in the song or map.
Ok boy, as I pointed above I was waiting for another comment, seems like I'd need to change this xD
01:51:969 (707,708,709,710) - ^
^

[Oni]
Good one!
Great~

[Muzukashii]
00:22:869 (69,70,71,72,73) - and 00:27:669 (95,96,97,98,99) - I'd change both to dkkdd but also, I find that the 4th note (72 and 98) aren't really needed and doesn't feel placed right. I'd suggest to remove these two notes but in case you don't want you should have them consistent, to dkkdd.
I'd pref to hold them since they emphatises great the next don note. Descendant rhythm follow is priority on this section so like Inner follows the pitch great
00:25:269 (83,84) - I'd switch them back to dkk, this looks senseless to have kdk with what you've mapped before and after.
Agree, fixed these and second Kiai too
00:30:069 - 00:39:669 - You could change the dkk parts to ddk, like you did with 00:37:269 (148,149,150) - .
I pref changing the 4th one to dkk, fills better imo
01:08:469 - 01:18:069 - this looks questionably easy to me, I think you've took it a bit too far and Oni looks extremly dense compared to Muzukashii here.
Added some notes, you're right
01:27:669 - 01:51:669 - this section on the other hand looks too similar to Oni and requires some slight nerfes.
Wasn't that similar imo, considering patterns are different and Oni uses 2 quintuples (muzu used 1). Anyways I'm deleting one note
[Futsuu]
00:06:069 (2,3) - If all previous difficulties use it I wouldn't say you should do that for the Futsuu, although it fits I don't think it's difficulty-wise a good choice. removing (3) here would be my idea. Repeat this for the following parts.
I think it's correctly following the kicks on Futsuu for the doubles usage. On this section I follow something different through the diffs but they're more accurate according to each difficulty
00:24:969 (53,54) - switch? Sound transistion is odd to me and you barely used kat to end a combo.
Fixed~
00:29:469 (68,69,70) - switching their colours is imo by far a better idea, (69) would go well with the song being lighter here.
I'm applying ctrl+g on 00:29:469 (68,69) - to follow the ascendant melody better, but 00:30:069 (70) - should stuck at kat considering the melody starts from really high pitch
00:53:769 (133,134) - The piano sound actually applies on (134), d d k k d looks better to me.
I think current 00:53:469 (132,133,134) - k d k usage is great to follow melody k > d (descendant) , d > k (ascendant). Also this have great consistency with 00:49:269 (122) -
00:51:369 (127) - ^ this on the other hand can be k d k d d, (127) becomes slightly deeper and suits better for that pattern.
I like variation suggestions so applying
[Kantan]
okidoki
Great~

Worried about Muzukashii/Futsuu. Muzukashii suffers from difficulty spread to Futsuu and Oni, and Futsuu have some structure and consistency problems.
I guess with your commentaries on Muzu is enough at fixing this point, compared some calm/fast part between Oni and Muzu and they should be fine now (also for Futsuu)

Thanks for modding! All update

Last edited by Aisha 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

tasuke912

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tasuke912 8 years ago

looking good. Bubbled!

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

tasuke912 wrote:
looking good. Bubbled!

!! Finally thanks

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Stefan 8 years ago

log

03:33 Stefan: a
03:33 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1297308 Erik McClure - DioSynth [_yu68's Oni]]
03:34 xfraczynho: o/
03:35 Stefan: We should reduce the dimensions of BG, to 1366x768 or 1024x768
03:35 Stefan: If you need help, I can assist you here.
03:36 xfraczynho: isn't this currently 1920x1200?
03:36 xfraczynho: I've read that's currently rankable D:
03:37 Stefan: Hmm, well
03:37 Stefan: It's not urgently unrankable, or that important
03:37 Stefan: actually..
03:37 Stefan: I think it's fine
03:37 xfraczynho: from skylish and nardo
03:37 Stefan: Just
03:38 xfraczynho: and it seems well... anyways I got other dimensions (used 1366 before)
03:38 Stefan: I find the BG should be move up for a bit
03:38 xfraczynho: up?
03:38 Stefan: You know how to alter the BG position?
03:38 xfraczynho: 84yeah
03:38 xfraczynho: but I think it's currently nice
03:39 xfraczynho: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8838951 -> the orange circle feels great
03:39 Stefan: I'd say it should be -30 imo
03:39 Stefan: so it's more in the mid
03:39 xfraczynho: if I move up white line wont look good
03:39 xfraczynho: so covered
03:39 Stefan: Hmm, okay then.
03:40 xfraczynho: if it would be standard I would agree with you
03:40 xfraczynho: but considering it moves down cause taiko it seems well
03:40 xfraczynho: :3
03:41 Stefan: okay then
03:43 Stefan: Futsuu: 01:19:269 (5) -
03:43 Stefan: Wondering.. Why is Futsuu the only difficulty with a note here (excluding Inner Oni)
03:44 Stefan: I mean, neither Muzu or Oni have one here
03:44 Stefan: it looks extremly strange to me.
03:45 xfraczynho: oups my bad
03:45 xfraczynho: deleting on futsuu
03:45 Stefan: 01:08:469 - 01:18:069 - for Futsuu and Muzukashii: I'd suggest to make Muzukashii for this part slightly denser/harder
03:45 xfraczynho: this is the slowest part on the song so I pref the 8/1 break
03:45 Stefan: since both difficulties are exact the same, dense-wise
03:46 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/5vrB4CJz.png just as reference
03:46 Stefan: Kantan~Oni
03:47 xfraczynho: !!! Finally!
03:47 xfraczynho: how ddo you do that?!
03:47 xfraczynho: I've seen that so many time befeore
03:47 xfraczynho: (btw I'm adding 01:13:194 - only don here)
03:47 Stefan: It's Modding Assistant
03:47 xfraczynho: I wanted to ask chromo (since I've seen that from him xD) but he's offline
03:47 Stefan: let me find the download link quick
03:47 xfraczynho: great

03:48 Stefan: t/359381/start=150
03:48 xfraczynho: I've looking for that exactlyfrom 2 days ago
03:48 Stefan: check Bakari's post
03:48 xfraczynho: nice ~~
03:48 xfraczynho: great tool
03:48 Stefan: And no worries about the filename, bakari was just silly
03:48 xfraczynho: thanks

03:48 xfraczynho: yeah xD I noticed
03:48 Stefan: but yeah, it's indeed a really good tool
03:48 xfraczynho: btw I would pref to have similar density on f-m
03:48 xfraczynho: on this part
03:49 Stefan: working with it for mapping and modding now
03:49 xfraczynho: 01:13:194 - by making a triple (ddd) on muzu here is enough
03:49 Stefan: Yeah, that can work
03:49 xfraczynho: if I make it harder could be so overmapped imo
03:49 xfraczynho: and yeah, I'm gonna use this a lot lol
03:50 Stefan: for Futsuu: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/B758QF35.png
03:50 Stefan: at 01:31:269 - 01:37:269 -
03:50 Stefan: try adding some 1/2 notes
03:51 Stefan: since Muzukashii uses a lot of them here.
03:51 Stefan: it doesn't have to be that many
03:51 Stefan: but spread-wise it'd work out better.
03:51 xfraczynho: yeah I agree with yu
03:51 xfraczynho: you
03:52 xfraczynho: 01:32:919 - d01:35:319 -
03:52 xfraczynho: d too
03:52 xfraczynho: it's enough
03:52 xfraczynho: I think there's a little drum shake so fills nice
03:52 Stefan: yeah, that will work fine
03:52 xfraczynho: (btw does this tool work for std aswell right?)
03:53 Stefan: Yes, it was originally designed for standard
03:53 Stefan: but has taiko support as well
03:54 xfraczynho: seems great for taiko lol for spread stuff
03:54 Stefan: So, do you have anything else you want to change on the set?
03:54 Stefan: on your own
03:55 xfraczynho: tbh I haven't anything else to do
03:55 Stefan: Okay.
03:55 xfraczynho: I've check the spread (manually)
03:55 xfraczynho: little issues that you already pointed out
04:02 Stefan: good good.
04:02 Stefan: Well, I have nothing else to say.
04:03 Stefan: You can update and let me know when you're ready.
04:03 xfraczynho: great :3
04:03 xfraczynho: let me take a quick check on inner
04:03 xfraczynho: then updating
04:05 xfraczynho: 00:19:494 (90) -01:03:519 (443) - only making them d
04:05 xfraczynho: not any other change; updated

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Stefan wrote:
log
03:33 Stefan: a
03:33 *Stefan is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1297308 Erik McClure - DioSynth [_yu68's Oni]]
03:34 xfraczynho: o/
03:35 Stefan: We should reduce the dimensions of BG, to 1366x768 or 1024x768
03:35 Stefan: If you need help, I can assist you here.
03:36 xfraczynho: isn't this currently 1920x1200?
03:36 xfraczynho: I've read that's currently rankable D:
03:37 Stefan: Hmm, well
03:37 Stefan: It's not urgently unrankable, or that important
03:37 Stefan: actually..
03:37 Stefan: I think it's fine
03:37 xfraczynho: from skylish and nardo
03:37 Stefan: Just
03:38 xfraczynho: and it seems well... anyways I got other dimensions (used 1366 before)
03:38 Stefan: I find the BG should be move up for a bit
03:38 xfraczynho: up?
03:38 Stefan: You know how to alter the BG position?
03:38 xfraczynho: 84yeah
03:38 xfraczynho: but I think it's currently nice
03:39 xfraczynho: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8838951 -> the orange circle feels great
03:39 Stefan: I'd say it should be -30 imo
03:39 Stefan: so it's more in the mid
03:39 xfraczynho: if I move up white line wont look good
03:39 xfraczynho: so covered
03:39 Stefan: Hmm, okay then.
03:40 xfraczynho: if it would be standard I would agree with you
03:40 xfraczynho: but considering it moves down cause taiko it seems well
03:40 xfraczynho: :3
03:41 Stefan: okay then
03:43 Stefan: Futsuu: 01:19:269 (5) -
03:43 Stefan: Wondering.. Why is Futsuu the only difficulty with a note here (excluding Inner Oni)
03:44 Stefan: I mean, neither Muzu or Oni have one here
03:44 Stefan: it looks extremly strange to me.
03:45 xfraczynho: oups my bad
03:45 xfraczynho: deleting on futsuu
03:45 Stefan: 01:08:469 - 01:18:069 - for Futsuu and Muzukashii: I'd suggest to make Muzukashii for this part slightly denser/harder
03:45 xfraczynho: this is the slowest part on the song so I pref the 8/1 break
03:45 Stefan: since both difficulties are exact the same, dense-wise
03:46 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/5vrB4CJz.png just as reference
03:46 Stefan: Kantan~Oni
03:47 xfraczynho: !!! Finally!
03:47 xfraczynho: how ddo you do that?!
03:47 xfraczynho: I've seen that so many time befeore
03:47 xfraczynho: (btw I'm adding 01:13:194 - only don here)
03:47 Stefan: It's Modding Assistant
03:47 xfraczynho: I wanted to ask chromo (since I've seen that from him xD) but he's offline
03:47 Stefan: let me find the download link quick
03:47 xfraczynho: great
03:48 Stefan: t/359381/start=150
03:48 xfraczynho: I've looking for that exactlyfrom 2 days ago
03:48 Stefan: check Bakari's post
03:48 xfraczynho: nice ~~
03:48 xfraczynho: great tool
03:48 Stefan: And no worries about the filename, bakari was just silly
03:48 xfraczynho: thanks
03:48 xfraczynho: yeah xD I noticed
03:48 Stefan: but yeah, it's indeed a really good tool
03:48 xfraczynho: btw I would pref to have similar density on f-m
03:48 xfraczynho: on this part
03:49 Stefan: working with it for mapping and modding now
03:49 xfraczynho: 01:13:194 - by making a triple (ddd) on muzu here is enough
03:49 Stefan: Yeah, that can work
03:49 xfraczynho: if I make it harder could be so overmapped imo
03:49 xfraczynho: and yeah, I'm gonna use this a lot lol
03:50 Stefan: for Futsuu: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/B758QF35.png
03:50 Stefan: at 01:31:269 - 01:37:269 -
03:50 Stefan: try adding some 1/2 notes
03:51 Stefan: since Muzukashii uses a lot of them here.
03:51 Stefan: it doesn't have to be that many
03:51 Stefan: but spread-wise it'd work out better.
03:51 xfraczynho: yeah I agree with yu
03:51 xfraczynho: you
03:52 xfraczynho: 01:32:919 - d01:35:319 -
03:52 xfraczynho: d too
03:52 xfraczynho: it's enough
03:52 xfraczynho: I think there's a little drum shake so fills nice
03:52 Stefan: yeah, that will work fine
03:52 xfraczynho: (btw does this tool work for std aswell right?)
03:53 Stefan: Yes, it was originally designed for standard
03:53 Stefan: but has taiko support as well
03:54 xfraczynho: seems great for taiko lol for spread stuff
03:54 Stefan: So, do you have anything else you want to change on the set?
03:54 Stefan: on your own
03:55 xfraczynho: tbh I haven't anything else to do
03:55 Stefan: Okay.
03:55 xfraczynho: I've check the spread (manually)
03:55 xfraczynho: little issues that you already pointed out
04:02 Stefan: good good.
04:02 Stefan: Well, I have nothing else to say.
04:03 Stefan: You can update and let me know when you're ready.
04:03 xfraczynho: great :3
04:03 xfraczynho: let me take a quick check on inner
04:03 xfraczynho: then updating
04:05 xfraczynho: 00:19:494 (90) -01:03:519 (443) - only making them d
04:05 xfraczynho: not any other change; updated

!!! Really proud atm. Thanks

Renumi

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Renumi 8 years ago

congratulations!

_yu68

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_yu68 8 years ago

Thanks for carrying my Oni

davidminh0111

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Gratz xfrac on his/her 1st qualified map

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Skylish 8 years ago

Frac, twist and break my neck :>

Gratz on your 1st ever qualified mapset

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felicidades en tu primer qualify

IamKwaN

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IamKwaN 8 years ago

i guess i need reference for current meta

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

IamKwaN wrote:
i guess i need reference for current meta

Most of metadata stuff comes from Voyage's mod (I checked all stuff carefully):

Voyage wrote:
Metadata Check
Artist
Change the artist's name to Erik McClure, the artist himself likes to interchange between different aliases such Blackhole, Blackhole12 and etc. But, he seems to consistently use Eric McClure as an alias so it's better to use Eric McClure then Blackhole. If you're still unsure about it, there's official proof from the artist himself in this map's description.
Source
Remove Newgrounds from Source, the music downloading/streaming website isn't applicable as a official Source.
Tags
Remove Eric McClure in tags, if you also follow my above suggestion about the Artist, it would make sense to delete this to avoid duplicates.
Add Blackhole in tags, another alias the artist goes by. This would coincide with the above suggestion about changing the Artist name.
Add Newgrounds in tags, if you choose to follow the above suggestion about Source, it would make more sense to have Newgrounds as a tag since it's related to the song and artist in that, the song was uploaded on Newgrounds by the artist.
Add Trance in tags, genre of the song as quoted by the artist, "I'm not actually sure what genre this is... so into Techno it goes!".
Replace the tags Audio and Portal with Audio Deathmatch and NGADM, the tags Audio and Portal are a bit too broad referring to the Newsground website overall. These two tags I suggested are a bit more specific since the song was an entry for the Newgrounds Audio Deathmatch 2010 competition and NGADM is the abbreviation of the contest.
Source(s) used: Newgrounds, DioSynth, NGADM, Bandcamp, SoundCloud, VGMdb.
Footnote(s): Not many official sources available so I resorted to using secondhand Sources for some of the Metadata.[/notice]

Also about using Erik McClure as artist name, there's something that clearifies it: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/338942 (map description). I hope this is enough.

pd. Thanks for messages tho :d

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IamKwaN 8 years ago

There are two concerns over this song from me. First, why isn't the song's title ~BH~ DioSynth? I downloaded the song from Newgrounds and the file property shows ~BH~ DioSynth as title and Blackhole12 as artist. So, secondly, is it appropriate for you to change the alias of the composer for a song? I mean I know they are the same person but would you use senya as artist for Din Don Dan?

Edit: Read Oko's map description, artist alias issue is resolved, let's focus on the title.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

IamKwaN wrote:
There are two concerns over this song from me. First, why isn't the song's title ~BH~ DioSynth? I downloaded the song from Newgrounds and the file property shows ~BH~ DioSynth as title and Blackhole12 as artist. So, secondly, is it appropriate for you to change the alias of the composer for a song? I mean I know they are the same person but would you use senya as artist for Din Don Dan?

Edit: Read Oko's map description, artist alias issue is resolved, let's focus on the title.

Well I used this as base tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJxxQYFBJ-8. It uses reference from Newgrounds page and it uses ~BH~ Diosynth without artist so I think Erik McClure (artist) used the '~BH~' stuff as a reference from artist instead making that the whole songname. I hope you can get my point. Anyways, I'm not 100% about this, so if it's needed I would change songname.

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Peach_Tea 8 years ago

congratulations!

Stefan

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Stefan 8 years ago

I guess, unless they don't decide to appear in the thread or anyone else to contact the artist the song title should be ~BH~ DioSynth although I doubt they'd prefer this since ~BH~ is just a remnant of his old username they rather don't want to be called.

IamKwaN

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IamKwaN 8 years ago

can someone confirm this by sending the composer a mail? XD

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Gemu- 8 years ago

Finally! Congrats! :3

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Surono 8 years ago

gratz wehhh

IamKwaN wrote:
can someone confirm this by sending the composer a mail? XD

demmm

Stefan

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Stefan 8 years ago

IamKwaN wrote:
can someone confirm this by sending the composer a mail? XD

I guess? I mean we can do this and disqualify the map as long we wait for the reply. The question is how important does someone consider the confirmation of the creator about the title. ∠( ᐛ 」∠)＿

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

IamKwaN wrote:
can someone confirm this by sending the composer a mail? XD

Proof:

Is it enough I guess?

Stefan

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Stefan 8 years ago

That went fast. lol

But yeah, if the artist confirms it then you're to 100% safe.

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Ozu 8 years ago

xfraczynho wrote:
IamKwaN wrote:
can someone confirm this by sending the composer a mail? XD
Proof:
Is it enough I guess?

So, Can i write congrat now?

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IamKwaN 8 years ago

cool, congrats!

Arrival

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Arrival 8 years ago

dropping this here, i don't understand your rhythm choices in inner oni's kiais, the last one most of all; their structure doesn't reflect the music at all to me and it just seems random.

what i'd suggest as a basic core structure could be this 01:57:669 -

this would reflect way more efficiently the song than what you actually have which is mapped... quite randomly

then you can play around it by improvising stuff like this

this is just an exemple on how you could make the kiai more interesting, as of now you're not playing with the don/kat contrasts enough and it gives a somewhat messy results where you just dont feel like playing the song...

my two cents

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Arrival wrote:
dropping this here, i don't understand your rhythm choices in inner oni's kiais, the last one most of all; their structure doesn't reflect the music at all to me and it just seems random.

what i'd suggest as a basic core structure could be this 01:57:669 -

this would reflect way more efficiently the song than what you actually have which is mapped... quite randomly

then you can play around it by improvising stuff like this

this is just an exemple on how you could make the kiai more interesting, as of now you're not playing with the don/kat contrasts enough and it gives a somewhat messy results where you just dont feel like playing the song...

my two cents

I tried your suggestion but I think current one fills better specially talking about melody and pitches follow; for example by hearing from 01:57:669 - at 50% pr you can get 01:57:669 (760) - 01:57:969 (764) - 01:58:269 (766) - 01:58:569 (770) - notes which I locked as kat cause they follows kick really well. Pattern usage is according on that base (most about variety on them). Pauses are good too considering I'm following mostly drum shake with mixing melody (example: 01:57:669 - 01:57:969 - are having the same pitch so I focused it at stucking at a simple pattern which represent descendant rhythm between 01:57:669 (760,761,762) - by kkd usage then ascendant on 01:57:819 (762,763,764) - by using ddk).
That's my explanation in the whole Kiai's. I'm holding this :')

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Seijiro 8 years ago

xfraczynho wrote:
Pattern usage is according on that base (most about variety on them). [/b]

I believe that's Arrival's point here. The variation of your base is what makes it hard to play, or rather unpredictable and seemingly unstructured.
If you change the main reference the player has how can it be considered "structured" ? D:

xfraczynho wrote:
from 01:57:669 - at 50% pr you can get 01:57:669 (760) - 01:57:969 (764) - 01:58:269 (766) - 01:58:569 (770) - notes which I locked as kat cause they follows kick really well

Ye, but then you stop doing so with 01:58:869 (773) - and start alternating between the two with 02:00:069 (784) - 02:00:369 (788) - 02:00:669 (790) - 02:00:969 (794) -

Imo you should really give a second or third chance to Arrival's post. Maybe I'm not experienced enough to play this sort of stuff, but it does feel stranger than a lot of maps which are even harder than this in star rating

Also, let me add some things I found myself, which may or may not make sense to you:
01:56:469 (749,750,751,752,753,754) - this first passage that starts the kiai is what I find to be the most fitting way to represent this rhythm.
That rhythm gets repeats a lot during the kiai, since it's like the intro to each variation the composer added in this part:
- 01:58:869 (773,774,775,776,777,778) - doesn't work
- 02:01:269 (797,798,799,800,801,802) - works
- 02:03:669 (821,822,823,824,825,826) - doesn't work
- 02:06:069 (845,846,847,848,849,850) - works

This keeps alternating, and it was probably meant for variation.
You can also say that since the whole rhythm is repeated but slightly changed by the composer you can do this, but I believe you should keep the first part of the repeated pattern as is and vary the second half of it where the rhythm indeed changes

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

MrSergio wrote:
xfraczynho wrote:
Pattern usage is according on that base (most about variety on them). [/b]
I believe that's Arrival's point here. The variation of your base is what makes it hard to play, or rather unpredictable and seemingly unstructured.
If you change the main reference the player has how can it be considered "structured" ? D:
That's what I meant; current base I'm using on 01:56:469 - is d k k k / d d k k. That's all the variation on these sections starts then from here 01:57:069 - kxxxk is what I'm locking for as you can notice on every sections so should not be that hard for players to follow middle variations

xfraczynho wrote:
from 01:57:669 - at 50% pr you can get 01:57:669 (760) - 01:57:969 (764) - 01:58:269 (766) - 01:58:569 (770) - notes which I locked as kat cause they follows kick really well
Ye, but then you stop doing so with 01:58:869 (773) - and start alternating between the two with 02:00:069 (784) - 02:00:369 (788) - 02:00:669 (790) - 02:00:969 (794) -
As I pointed above; I'm making variations between d k k k and d d k k as base (you can look at them on my mod replies before) every 8/1 sections on Kiais so triple usage on frirst three notes (second and 4th 8/1 on Kiai's) emphatises the drum shake and helps at variation. You can look at my Ozzy and Stefan reply on this since I used these notes alone on a first instance but then I noticed this feels and fills really better (also help at not making this feel that empty)

Imo you should really give a second or third chance to Arrival's post. Maybe I'm not experienced enough to play this sort of stuff, but it does feel stranger than a lot of maps which are even harder than this in star rating
I'm not trying to be mindclosed on this way; I tried his suggestion and I can agree in someway with this, but I still think current state is better talking about this kind of songs; not trying to make a hard map, just making something that really fills great according to song

Also, let me add some things I found myself, which may or may not make sense to you:
01:56:469 (749,750,751,752,753,754) - this first passage that starts the kiai is what I find to be the most fitting way to represent this rhythm.
That rhythm gets repeats a lot during the kiai, since it's like the intro to each variation the composer added in this part:
- 01:58:869 (773,774,775,776,777,778) - doesn't work
- 02:01:269 (797,798,799,800,801,802) - works
- 02:03:669 (821,822,823,824,825,826) - doesn't work
- 02:06:069 (845,846,847,848,849,850) - works
Yeah I got your point; same as I pointed above, look at my reply on Ozzy/Stefan mod. Both pointed your way and it feels really more fun at playing (and accurate imo). Both points you're saying are fine but they can be better for Oni diff maybe

This keeps alternating, and it was probably meant for variation.
You can also say that since the whole rhythm is repeated but slightly changed by the composer you can do this, but I believe you should keep the first part of the repeated pattern as is and vary the second half of it where the rhythm indeed changes
Yeah, it's repetitive but this doesn't mean making repetitive patterns (maybe more notes similar is enough), also drum makes some little variations on it so I think it's currently nice. As I pointed; not trying to be mindclosed at your suggestions; but I'm leaving at it is :') thanks for your feedbacks anyways :3

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Raiden 8 years ago

Since I guess both parties must post, I am here to say that I played and replayed through the map specially the kiais and they didn't feel that random to me.

Let's see what QATs have to say.

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Nardoxyribonucleic 8 years ago

Disqualified as there exists consecutive mapping in Muzukashii apart from the pattern arrangement concerns raised as above.

[General]

02:21:069 - unused timing point. You can simply remove it.

[Muzukashii]

From 00:07:269 to 01:18:069 - the pattern chain lasts for 71 seconds without any 2/1 breaks, which could be demanding for intermediate players compared to the availability of rests in Futsuu.
00:39:969 (163) - delete and move 00:40:119 (164) - to 00:40:269 - . This is in fact a good spot for a longer rest after the dense kiai especially when Futsuu has a 4/1 break here.
00:41:019 (166) - you may move this note to 00:41:169 - , move 00:41:469 (167) - to 00:41:319 - and change to k for the background instrumental pitch.
00:42:369 (170,171) - these notes could be swapped as k d for flow as well as variation.
00:44:769 (181,182) - same suggestion as 00:39:969 (163) - for another 2/1 rest moment.
00:45:819 (184) - similar to 00:41:019 (166) - , you may move the note to 00:45:969 - and change to k, then move 00:46:269 (185) - to 00:46:119 -

[Inner Oni]

I could somehow understand your rationale behind by reading the discussion above, but you can still reconsider the overall pattern usage in this difficulty. In addition, there is room for improvement regarding the overall flow in the kiai sessions.

00:23:319 (126) - consider changing this note to d to make the flow less rigid ? The previous similar segment is comprised of kat-intensive patterns around 00:20:919 - , so d could accompany the rhythm change (also known as additional synths in the background) in a way better.
00:28:119 (173) - same as ^
00:29:319 (185) - k here would fit the snare well.
00:30:444 (196) and 00:37:644 (260) - look randomly placed as the rest similar spots are all mapped as k. Try to form a sequence or change them to k for consistency. For example, you can swap 00:30:444 (196,200) and 00:37:644 (260,264) - to k d to achieve the said purpose.
01:59:319 (777) - 02:04:119 (825) - 02:08:919 (873) and 02:13:719 (921) - same as 00:23:319 (126) -
02:14:469 (928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940) - maybe try k ddkdkkd ddkkd instead of kkddk d dkddkkd ? The flow would be smoother and more natural towards the end.

You may call me back after that.

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Raiden 8 years ago

00:10:869 -
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00:42:519 -
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00:59:469 -
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01:16:869 -

^ list of 3/2 breaks that serve as good as 2/1 breaks. Pattern chains don't last more than 1 measure. Players at this level of gameplay already have their rhythm sense up and running and they are able to maintain a stable tapping, so in my opinion 2/1 breaks are all but necessary in that section. Of course, I left the kiai out since kiai is supposed to be denser.

00:49:269 - It is true that starting from here, the 3/2 breaks have disappeared until 00:58:869 - , and that might indeed be an issue.

Let's not forget what the wiki says:

Even if outdated: I still agree with it. 3/2 breaks are more than sufficient at this level of difficulty. 2/1 breaks are way too Futsuu-ish

My 2 cents.

Surono

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Surono 8 years ago

Raiden wrote:
3/2 breaks are more than sufficient at this level of difficulty. 2/1 breaks are way too Futsuu-ish

👍

muzukashii is mid-level and also the 1/1 pattern are enough as easier notes or tiny breaks for that diff.
so 2/1 breaks, no needed please...

Volta

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Volta 8 years ago

I was asked for opinion. (no kd)
As a single diff, the amount of 3/2 breaks in Muzukashii are sufficient for mid-level player. But after comparing with the amount of breaks used in futsuu (especially at 00:39:669 ~ 00:49:269 -) , i think Nardo's points are worth considering to make the transition between diffs smoother. As a set, it would be more solid.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
Disqualified as there exists consecutive mapping in Muzukashii apart from the pattern arrangement concerns raised as above.
There we go
[General]
02:21:069 - unused timing point. You can simply remove it.
Right, also changed 02:20:469 - to 5%
[Muzukashii]
From 00:07:269 to 01:18:069 - the pattern chain lasts for 71 seconds without any 2/1 breaks, which could be demanding for intermediate players compared to the availability of rests in Futsuu.
I agree with above comments about enough 2/1 usage. I can get Futsuu got lot of 2/1 breaks but this difficulty (I could point this at watching scoreboard according to players pp / rank) should be good considering the action is pretty much until 01:18:069 - . If I make many more 2/1 breaks this will turn a little undermapped so could be really close to Futsuu diff. Gotta make an equilibrium between them :')
00:39:969 (163) - delete and move 00:40:119 (164) - to 00:40:269 - . This is in fact a good spot for a longer rest after the dense kiai especially when Futsuu has a 4/1 break here.
Well! I think this sounds really good; even it's contradictory with my above explanation, it can help if it's going to be really neccesary (and I like breaks after Kiai so seems senseful).
00:41:019 (166) - you may move this note to 00:41:169 - , move 00:41:469 (167) - to 00:41:319 - and change to k for the background instrumental pitch.
I think the drum it's clearly audible and makes sense if I make d d to follow it. If I follow your suggestion is gonna create a basic 1/1 pattern usage that makes it feel like K-F diff
00:42:369 (170,171) - these notes could be swapped as k d for flow as well as variation.
I think following instrumental sound here is more important so d k is better about following ascendant melody
00:44:769 (181,182) - same suggestion as 00:39:969 (163) - for another 2/1 rest moment.
Well I think I'm gonna just use this cause consistency (considering my first comment)
00:45:819 (184) - similar to 00:41:019 (166) - , you may move the note to 00:45:969 - and change to k, then move 00:46:269 (185) - to 00:46:119 -
Same comment about current d d usage :')
[Inner Oni]

I could somehow understand your rationale behind by reading the discussion above, but you can still reconsider the overall pattern usage in this difficulty. In addition, there is room for improvement regarding the overall flow in the kiai sessions.
00:23:319 (126) - consider changing this note to d to make the flow less rigid ? The previous similar segment is comprised of kat-intensive patterns around 00:20:919 - , so d could accompany the rhythm change (also known as additional synths in the background) in a way better.
00:28:119 (173) - same as ^
Well I think I'm gonna hold the current d k k k / d d k k usage in every 8/1 sections on first half of Kiai. I can really get your points about rigid stuff, but I think they're pretty neccesary since clearest sound is the instrumental sound that it's totally ascendant (so if I make don after some kat it's gonna turn senseless)
00:29:319 (185) - k here would fit the snare well.
I think current snare-follow is good at kat usaging, I don't get any sound that needs change; 00:29:169 (184,185) - k d usage is accurate imo
00:30:444 (196) and 00:37:644 (260) - look randomly placed as the rest similar spots are all mapped as k. Try to form a sequence or change them to k for consistency. For example, you can swap 00:30:444 (196,200) and 00:37:644 (260,264) - to k d to achieve the said purpose.
It's mostly about variation; as I pointed several times I'm locking current dkkk ddkk usage so variations between them are acceptable and followable. Anyways I think making this 00:38:094 (264) - don could help (instead ctrl+g'ing) your second suggestion. kdk pattern at 00:37:569 - fills really good imo :')
01:59:319 (777) - 02:04:119 (825) - 02:08:919 (873) and 02:13:719 (921) - same as 00:23:319 (126) -
Same comment :')
02:14:469 (928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940) - maybe try k ddkdkkd ddkkd instead of kkddk d dkddkkd ? The flow would be smoother and more natural towards the end.
I changed it to ddkdk dkddkkd cause I feel this feels a little overmapped (and not accurate) by following your suggestion (02:14:919 - note here)
You may call me back after that.

Kin

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Kin 8 years ago

hm, I was asked for opinion about the muzu diff break & stuff.

From what I've seen, the muzukashii kinda use a lot of 3/2 snap till the kiai.
Using a 2/1 break here 00:39:669 - sure is consistent, but the way it was, is ok in my opinion, because the part right after the kiai isn't too dense & use quite some 3/2 for a really short part. tho, it's true it was inconsistent with the futsuu diff (but not with the muzu itself)

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 8 years ago

A quick recheck here. (no kd)

[General]

Seeing that you altered the last timing point's volume, I would suggest volume changes for the last spinner as follows for a more uniform decrease:
02:16:869 - 55%
02:18:069 - 40%
02:19:269 - 25%
02:20:469 - 10%

The overall structure of Inner Oni is more noticeable at least upon the change, so I am fine with that.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
A quick recheck here. (no kd)

[General]
Seeing that you altered the last timing point's volume, I would suggest volume changes for the last spinner as follows for a more uniform decrease:
02:16:869 - 55%
02:18:069 - 40%
02:19:269 - 25%
02:20:469 - 10%
The overall structure of Inner Oni is more noticeable at least upon the change, so I am fine with that.

Done all of them ~

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 8 years ago

Rechecked the set again. Muzukashii now has more breaks and its spread with Futsuu has been improved.

Rebubbled~

tasuke912

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tasuke912 8 years ago

Re-qualified.

Nifty

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Nifty 8 years ago

I have some concerns after playing through the Inner Oni.

So for the first kiai you have your x x xxx xxxxx x xxxxx x xxxxx x rhythm goin like usual, right? Well in the second half of that kiai, 00:30:069 - , the patterning completely changes, and continues with the A B A B pattern you follow with your rhythm in the first half of the kiai. This much is understandable as the song is very repetitive and gets boring quick.

However, in the second kiai, you neglect to change anything in the second half and continue the same patterning you established in the first half of the kiai. To me, it doesn't make much sense as to why this isn't consistent with the first kiai.

Now for some specific concerns:

01:51:969 - I don't see how these doubles are justified in any way, there's a piano and synth pad on the red tick that you can easily fix to map by moving the d from the first double to the red tick.

00:39:669 - This section sounds like it should be mapped to the synth that has hits on 1 and the red tick of 2 (00:40:119 - ), so when I play through this part (which lasts until the final missed red tick 00:54:519 - here) it was pretty awkward. You could easily fix this by adding a note to each of these neglected red ticks and changing the surrounding note pitches to fit or whatever. Your choice to map the white tick before the red could be justified by saying you're following the drums here, but then the very next white tick has a drum, but no note, so that doesn't exactly work.

01:42:069 - The piano here is more audible than the drums you seem to be mapping here, so playing xxx xxx xxx xxx when the pattern I hear is xxxx x xxxxx x x trips me up.

Ye that's what I think. Let me know what you think of my think.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Nifty wrote:
I have some concerns after playing through the Inner Oni.

So for the first kiai you have your x x xxx xxxxx x xxxxx x xxxxx x rhythm goin like usual, right? Well in the second half of that kiai, 00:30:069 - , the patterning completely changes, and continues with the A B A B pattern you follow with your rhythm in the first half of the kiai. This much is understandable as the song is very repetitive and gets boring quick.
>so to avoid that I'm making variations between it

However, in the second kiai, you neglect to change anything in the second half and continue the same patterning you established in the first half of the kiai. To me, it doesn't make much sense as to why this isn't consistent with the first kiai.
>I can understand your point, but you can notice the second half of second Kiai is an extended form of the first one. Also as I've pointed above, repetitive songs =/= repetitive map so making variations and a increasing difficulty through the song is good for me

Now for some specific concerns:

01:51:969 - I don't see how these doubles are justified in any way, there's a piano and synth pad on the red tick that you can easily fix to map by moving the d from the first double to the red tick.
>You can really hear the drums on 01:51:969 (707,710) - and it's an evolutive build up to the Kiai

00:39:669 - This section sounds like it should be mapped to the synth that has hits on 1 and the red tick of 2 (00:40:119 - ), so when I play through this part (which lasts until the final missed red tick 00:54:519 - here) it was pretty awkward. You could easily fix this by adding a note to each of these neglected red ticks and changing the surrounding note pitches to fit or whatever. Your choice to map the white tick before the red could be justified by saying you're following the drums here, but then the very next white tick has a drum, but no note, so that doesn't exactly work.
>If you compare 00:39:669 - with 00:49:269 - you can notice I'm letting the first 1/1 break cause it's a Kiai ending so players will need that little relax. Also on the second part I start following the electronic sound instead the drum as I'm doing in the first half of this section. I keep following strongest sound throughtout the whole song so it's pretty neccesary to make a variation on them. I'd not to make the same thing along the whole map zz

01:42:069 - The piano here is more audible than the drums you seem to be mapping here, so playing xxx xxx xxx xxx when the pattern I hear is xxxx x xxxxx x x trips me up.
>It's about the build up I'm making until 01:46:869 - . I can agree with you in someway, drum becomes stronger from 01:44:469 - but on a first instance I started drum follow here and it was not really great to play. Players can notice the rhythm change here easily considering last part was only piano.

Ye that's what I think. Let me know what you think of my think.

Nifty

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Nifty 8 years ago

Okay, most of the things you said seem to make sense, but you didn't justify why 00:39:669 - is not mapped to the prominent sound besides "people need a break." As the top diff of a set, I doubt people need that much of a break, and you would still have 1/1 pauses between phrases in that section if you mapped to the sound on the red tick.

Also, the transition from 3plets and 5plets everywhere to 1/2 spaced patterns with 1 3plet each is already such a large difficulty drop that the extra space to give people a break that is causing neglect to the main rhythm is not needed.

Oh and last thing, the drums your hearing at 01:51:969 - are not a drum. The drums are literally going "kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare" on 1/1 spacing for that segment of time. The only drum that I can just barely hear on a blue tick is on the 3/4, which is why I suggested to use ddk. They stand out so bad because they're the only uniquely mapped rhythm, because that rhythm doesn't exist in the music.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Nifty wrote:
Okay, most of the things you said seem to make sense, but you didn't justify why 00:39:669 - is not mapped to the prominent sound besides "people need a break." As the top diff of a set, I doubt people need that much of a break, and you would still have 1/1 pauses between phrases in that section if you mapped to the sound on the red tick.

Also, the transition from 3plets and 5plets everywhere to 1/2 spaced patterns with 1 3plet each is already such a large difficulty drop that the extra space to give people a break that is causing neglect to the main rhythm is not needed.
>Well more than a neccesity is about how it seems. I mean finising a kiai with a big note is pretty nice specially at this kind of songs so the next space is about to emphasize there's a more relaxing part incoming (at least I feel that like player and mapper).

Oh and last thing, the drums your hearing at 01:51:969 - are not a drum. The drums are literally going "kick snare kick snare kick snare kick snare" on 1/1 spacing for that segment of time. The only drum that I can just barely hear on a blue tick is on the 3/4, which is why I suggested to use ddk. They stand out so bad because they're the only uniquely mapped rhythm, because that rhythm doesn't exist in the music.
>Both kat's I've point are snares and doubles are about forming the next section as I pointed above :p

Btw would pref to keep discussing in other way, don't want to make a chat here xD

Nifty

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Nifty 8 years ago

xfraczynho wrote:
I mean finising a kiai with a big note is pretty nice specially at this kind of songs so the next space is about to emphasize there's a more relaxing part incoming (at least I feel that like player and mapper).

The thing is, this is far too early and neglecting such an important instrument in the section that there's no sense in a 3/2 breaks being immediately after the kiai when the next 3/2 break that isn't ignoring the synth that should be mapped on the red tick is almost 40 seconds later at 01:18:069 - . I won't forget to mention that starting at 00:49:269 - there are no breaks longer than 1/1 until 01:18:069 - as well, so this "emphasizing there is a relaxing part coming" does not come across when the part that is meant to be "emphasizing the relaxing part" happens 40 seconds before the relaxing part.

If you do want to talk about this over discord or irc feel free to message me, but I do want my concerns and the responses to them in this thread for the most part, as community members should be allowed to add onto discussion of these issues.

Aisha

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Aisha 8 years ago

Nifty wrote:
xfraczynho wrote:
I mean finising a kiai with a big note is pretty nice specially at this kind of songs so the next space is about to emphasize there's a more relaxing part incoming (at least I feel that like player and mapper).
The thing is, this is far too early and neglecting such an important instrument in the section that there's no sense in a 3/2 breaks being immediately after the kiai when the next 3/2 break that isn't ignoring the synth that should be mapped on the red tick is almost 40 seconds later at 01:18:069 - .
As I pointed above most of the breaks depends on how dense it came from the last section. If 00:39:669 - this break different than 01:08:469 - is simply cause that. Also you can get this 01:08:919 - is a neccesary pitch to be mapped on here so adding a don on 01:08:769 - is great talking about emphasizing that note. Not like 00:40:119 - where I'm mapping the cymbal and it's a repetition of 00:39:969 - (the main sound).
I won't forget to mention that starting at 00:49:269 - there are no breaks longer than 1/1 until 01:18:069 - as well, so this "emphasizing there is a relaxing part coming" does not come across when the part that is meant to be "emphasizing the relaxing part" happens 40 seconds before the relaxing part.
For an Inner Oni making 1/1 breaks to emphasize the relax part is enough. 01:18:069 - I consider this an exception since it becomes reaaally more slow than before. Even I feel it overmapped but pretty neccesary for Inner difficulty

If you do want to talk about this over discord or irc feel free to message me, but I do want my concerns and the responses to them in this thread for the most part, as community members should be allowed to add onto discussion of these issues.
And yeah, I agree with you on this. Just wanted to avoid making a conversation but since there are good arguments on your points it's welcome :p

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