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Sonnyc
7,774 posts
Joined June 2008
Sonnyc
It was a generic statement regarding this entire beatmap. Examples regarding the beatmap were questioned to get a better understanding of yours about this map at previous posts, and you gave me your response. Also examples are examples, nothing more than that. I'm not questioning specific patterns but the whole structure idea implemented in this map.

Also in where did I mentioned this map to become a generic pp map? Please avoid making statements based on assumptions. In case such misunderstanding happened because I haven't gave you a solution for the issues I've mentioned, I'd like to talk again about one of the examples that was addressed previously.

03:15:390 (1,2) - 03:19:409 (1,2) - 03:23:442 (1,2) - 03:17:398 (1,2) - 03:21:425 (1,2) - 03:25:478 (1,2) - When I was questioning these 1/2 sliders, you were frustrated rather you should be using linears for vocals, and curves for non-vocals. Actually that could be one solution, but maybe a dramatic example. It was the slider shape, the visual aspects that came up in your mind. However giving similarities in similar music elements and differences in different music elements can literally be done in any aspect. Flows could be one. Or also spacing concepts. 03:17:398 (1,2) this for example shares a same visual concept according to visual spacings, but when it comes to actual distance snapping, this one is having a close spacing while others are having a distant spacing. Maybe you can differentiate expressions by applying this kind of spacing ideas. Setting specific suggestions aside, the only generic suggestion I can give is cto classify your pattern usage based on the "song". It may sound as a generic boring uninteresting concept at glance, but it is because making a good map without such trait is difficult. Just that.

Lastly, it's quite hard to understand that you aren't using mapping aspects. Maybe there was some misunderstandings, but there are no maps without a flow, and no map without a visuality. (Ugly visuals are still a visual.) It was this what I was meaning.

I'm seeing this discussion going in nowhere of a productive direction than I expected since not much agreements are being made. If you got your other BN ready, I'm suggesting to end our discussion and get yourself pushing this set further with the following BN. However if you still think my veto is unjustified, I'll keep have to voice my opinion.
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,652 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Monstrata
It's unnecessary to create distinctions between vocal / nonvocal sliders. They are following the exact same rhythm, mapped to 1/2 sliders. Listen to the main melody, it's what I'm following. Rather, creating a distinction distracts from the map itself because i'm clearly not using any mapping aspects to highlight the vocals on the section over the instruments, so recommending that I map the instrumental section differently from the vocal only creates an unnecessary design rift in the map. You are trying to assign some sort of specific mapping aspect to vocals, and a different mapping aspect to instruments, but this ends up causing the map to feel disparate like there are two different elements that keep switching one to another. Consider it as a whole section of music, not a collection of two or three slider patterns strung together. Your proposal damages the cohesion of the map and unnecessarily attempts to distinguish musical sections from vocals when they should be mapped in the same way since they are both following the main melody.

Since there is nothing to add, we can proceed with the rebubble.
Kurai
osu! Alumni
7,734 posts
Joined March 2009
Kurai
Alo l'espace

I am fine with rebubbling the map as it is. The map is more than feasible for skilled players and there are enough people backing it, there is no reason to keep this thread going round in circles any longer, I'm getting tired of this standoff, you're not going to reach a consensus anyway. Enjoy the bubble!

I should not have to say this, but keep the discussion civilised. Any inappropriate comment will be removed and sanctions will be issued.

8-)
Ovoui
995 posts
Joined January 2013
Ovoui
I hope this bubble will stay...

How could you pop a bubble from the cutest GM...


Btw good luck for your set Monstroto!
DiB
16 posts
Joined February 2017
DiB
01:38:058 - Really nice chill song ,ez pp
booty
225 posts
Joined July 2014
booty
Good luck Monstrata!
Xexxar
913 posts
Joined June 2013
Xexxar

Kurai wrote:

Alo l'espace

I am fine with rebubbling the map as it is. The map is more than feasible for skilled players and there are enough people backing it, there is no reason to keep this thread going round in circles any longer, I'm getting tired of this standoff, you're not going to reach a consensus anyway. Enjoy the bubble!

I should not have to say this, but keep the discussion civilised. Any inappropriate comment will be removed and sanctions will be issued.

8-)

Xexxar wrote:

Do you people not even read the BNG rules when you get added? Did you just assume you can nominate anything? You're 60k dude and a brand new BN, why do you think you can judge this?

I think you should be kicked from the BNG for your actions here.
I wonder how many maps it will take before QAT actually enforces any rules on BNG members.
ZekeyHache
3,316 posts
Joined October 2009
ZekeyHache
Holy bible
Dawns
215 posts
Joined July 2014
Dawns

Xexxar wrote:

Kurai wrote:

-snip for convenience and readability-

Xexxar wrote:

Do you people not even read the BNG rules when you get added? Did you just assume you can nominate anything? You're 60k dude and a brand new BN, why do you think you can judge this?

I think you should be kicked from the BNG for your actions here.
I wonder how many maps it will take before QAT actually enforces any rules on BNG members.

Hello Xexxar! Just thought I'd check in and toss a non circlejerk opinion into the mix.

I believe it's completely justified that the map is bubbled seeing the reasoning that the veto on it was poorly done with not much reasoning beyond "eh i dont like it/its not playable". Monstrata has made an attempt (and quite well done!) to explain virtually every note within the beatmap at this point. Rank does not effect how good a mapper you are and aren't (You're 3k, We get it. It doesn't exactly make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's.). Kurai has simply reinstated a bubble which imo shouldn't have been popped in the first place. If you think the map sucks, that's great! We're all entitled to our own opinions, heck, it's why the modding system exists., If you have sat and modded the map and had it responded to and it ended in a way you didn't like; that's really sad for you but unfortunately it is ultimately the mappers decisions how they make their map.

If you can find anything wrong with this map beyond "DAE NOT LIKE ALIEN?" point it out here. I'm sure the BNG would take the steps necessary to make Monstrata change anything that is fundamentally flawed, however, at this point in time; from the perspective of many, it seems the map is ready for a bubble and possibly the qualified section.

Please be civil in this thread (However difficult it may be for you :s), calling out Kurai because he's made a decision you do not like and feel breaks the rules is NOT the type of stuff that is honestly suitable in a thread being this heavily monitored. Passive aggressiveness against people is bad.

--

That bit of the comment done! Gratz on the bubble. I look forward to seeing the development of this map (good song :thumbsup:), your recent changes have made the map better in my opinion. Best of luck moving forward Monstrata!
Xexxar
913 posts
Joined June 2013
Xexxar
Why are you telling me this? I'm simply expressing my opinion that Kurai's actions here are in violation of BNG rules and am wondering when something will be done about it. Kurai is not re-instilling a bubble, he is stating that he is qualified to judge and nominate this map because the previous bubble was veto'd (over subjective issues, which is allowed).

Thanks for the non-circlejerk opinion dude!
Yuutai
18 posts
Joined February 2011
Yuutai

Xexxar wrote:

Why are you telling me this? I'm simply expressing my opinion that Kurai's actions here are in violation of BNG rules and am wondering when something will be done about it. Kurai is not re-instilling a bubble, he is stating that he is qualified to judge and nominate this map because the previous bubble was veto'd (over subjective issues, which is allowed).

Thanks for the non-circlejerk opinion dude!

No Xexxar, you have to understand those rules only apply when disqualifying The Empress or preventing Gone with the Blast from qualifying. Those maps clearly made the mistake of not being A-L-I-E-N and therefore don't deserve to be nominated to rank status (or trying that for 4 times now).
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,652 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Rank is quite irrelevant when you are proficient in modding and mapping. If I nominated 7-8 star maps no one would question me. And even if someone did, there's nothing the staff can do because they can't determine that I'm unable to judge these maps.
Yuutai
18 posts
Joined February 2011
Yuutai

Monstrata wrote:

Rank is quite irrelevant when you are proficient in modding and mapping. If I nominated 7-8 star maps no one would question me. And even if someone did, there's nothing the staff can do because they can't determine that I'm unable to judge these maps.

Weird.

Please explain to me then how this:



was allowed to happen. Apparently there is something that staff or QAT or some people can do. The question is if it's because of modding skill or if it's just having the QAT at your mercy.
Nitroz
143 posts
Joined November 2014
Nitroz
das a lot of posts on a beatmap thread lol
Xexxar
913 posts
Joined June 2013
Xexxar

Monstrata wrote:

Rank is quite irrelevant when you are proficient in modding and mapping. If I nominated 7-8 star maps no one would question me. And even if someone did, there's nothing the staff can do because they can't determine that I'm unable to judge these maps.
Yes but Monstrata you have much more experience as a nominator under 2017 mapping standards. The same cannot be said about Kurai.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,424 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
How good you can judge a map isn't determined by the rank but amount of experience you have over the time. Someone which is around for five years does know more at some point than someone for two years although they have the same (skill) rank.
Ekoro
3,456 posts
Joined March 2010
Ekoro
the fact kurai went inactive (and came back) doesn't mean he lost all of his mapping/modding abilities lol

there's a few cases of mappers who can map hard difficulties while not being able to play them so why that wouldn't be the same for modders?
not being able to play a map doesn't mean you can't judge it properly. you can be experimented with the editor more than the actual game itself.
Kurai
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2009
Kurai
If you have concerns about me being able to judge this map properly, I invite you to file a complaint to the QAT. This thread is not the place where you should be doing that as it is going to bring unwanted negativity to the debate once again.

Being able to play the map in its entirety is, I believe, not a factor to judge a map properly; it is obviously an asset but in no case a requirement. As long as I understand the logic behind the patterns, I believe I am more than qualified to nominate this beatmap. This is also why the modal "may" has been used in the BNG rule you keep telling everyone I broke. The use of this modal clearly means that being a skilled player is not only what it takes to be able to judge a map.

I don't understand you at all. I am trying to push this map forward, doing what no one else really wants to do because no one likes doing the dirty job, yet you still find something to complain about? You are slowing down the qualifying process of this map by doing that. If any action has to be taken for my doings, a QAT will contact me and I will be glad to explain to them why I deemed myself qualified to bubble this map (don't worry, the QAT are well aware that I bubbled it).

In conclusion: if you have any concern about this map being bubbled, I invite you to point out the issues proving it unworthy of receiving a bubble. Anything else is irrelevent to the topic.
Natsu
8,088 posts
Joined September 2012
Natsu
almost there 8-)

Edit: This map has been tested and modded a lot, so I don't think kurai's icon here is wrong, even if he can't judge the map properly, there are 67 pages of feedback...
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Mir
osu! Alumni
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Mir

Natsu wrote:

almost there 8-)
nat-su fast
Yuutai
18 posts
Joined February 2011
Yuutai

Kurai wrote:

As long as I understand the logic behind the patterns, I believe I am more than qualified to nominate this beatmap. This is also why the modal "may" has been used in the BNG rule you keep telling everyone I broke.
Actually, as you can see in the screenshot above, the modal is must not/are not allowed. It's not a guideline apparently.
Kurai
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Kurai

Yuutai wrote:

Kurai wrote:

As long as I understand the logic behind the patterns, I believe I am more than qualified to nominate this beatmap. This is also why the modal "may" has been used in the BNG rule you keep telling everyone I broke.
Actually, as you can see in the screenshot above, the modal is must not/are not allowed. It's not a guideline apparently.


I have no idea where you got your screenshot from.
Yuutai
18 posts
Joined February 2011
Yuutai

Kurai wrote:

I have no idea where you got your screenshot from.

My screenshot comes from here. t/470459/start=345

And even if we use yours - the defining modal here is "Do not", not "may". By that logic as long as nobody complained we wouldn't have had any problems ranking Bloodthirsty Nightmare/The Empress in the first place.
Kurai
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Joined March 2009
Kurai

Yuutai wrote:

Kurai wrote:

I have no idea where you got your screenshot from.

My screenshot comes from here. t/470459/start=345

And even if we use yours - the defining modal here is "Do not", not "may". By that logic as long as nobody complained we wouldn't have had any problems ranking Bloodthirsty Nightmare/The Empress in the first place.
"Do not" refers to nominating a map when you are unable to judge it.
"May" refers to the idea of considering a nominator unable to judge a 8* map when they are 60k.
Which means that I am not necessarily deemed unable to judge a 8* map if I am 60k.

Anyway this conversation is irrelevent and is not contributing in any way in getting this ranked.
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
How many BNs have veto'd this map so far? Just an innocent question
Hobbes2
osu! Alumni
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Hobbes2

Kisses wrote:

How many BNs have veto'd this map so far? Just an innocent question
After loved -->

Nao bubbles map
Monstrata self pops for updates
I bubble map (I could have qualified but i figured rebubbling was the safer option given the maps controversy)
Kagetsu vetos my bubble
After discussion with Monstrata, Kagetsu rescinds his veto.
I rebubble map
Sonnyc vetos my bubble
Kurai bubbles map
body
body
And now 🅱op the 🅱ubble. Or else.

EDIT: holy shit 1008 posts. This is one GODLY thread.
SnowNiNo_
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
2,108 posts
Joined April 2013
SnowNiNo_
y is a single map triggering so many ppl
its just a circle clicking game lmao
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-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-
Please do not DQ this, let this map be ranked already so it will force some ways to let other creative maps get ranked.

Like really, for all god and evil souls - just get some common sense and stop being drama queens (and kings).

For next DQ, If someone point out "I don't like this object, please elaborate", I shall find explanation in this topic and link it to prove how artificial and hostile this DQ are now. Mark my words!

Good luck Monstrata!

/me going back to lurk around
Underforest
5,895 posts
Joined July 2015
Underforest

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

y is a single map triggering so many ppl
its just a circle clicking game lmao
agree
QTS
25 posts
Joined September 2013
QTS
Tbh I respect the fact that Monstrata has taken a different approach to getting this map ranked. Back in the days, it seemed like you were just kind of the dick you wanted to be, which goes something along the lines of "Since I am Monstrata I can rank whatever I want" kind of mentality. The reason why I really got irritated by your behaviour in the past was due to the fact that you wanted to rank something for the point of "showing how much potential power you could have" and also the fact that you wanted to make the highest * map this specific map. I guess I didn't have too great of an issue with the fact that it would've been the highest * rank but your approach to it was just garbage.

Personally, I still don't think it should be ranked, but yeah. I don't know what it is that makes me feel so against the map, maybe the "ugliness" in itself or just the fact that it has a bunch of RNG jumps that no one besides AUTO will hit. Just rambling.
Kynan
497 posts
Joined September 2011
Kynan

filsdelmao wrote:

Personally, I still don't think it should be ranked, but yeah. I don't know what it is that makes me feel so against the map, maybe the "ugliness" in itself or just the fact that it has a bunch of RNG jumps that no one besides AUTO will hit. Just rambling.
The patterns aren't much different from the trash PP farm maps you see getting ranked every week, they're just wider. If anything they flow even better than those "perfectly fine" maps.
QTS
25 posts
Joined September 2013
QTS

Kynan wrote:

filsdelmao wrote:

Personally, I still don't think it should be ranked, but yeah. I don't know what it is that makes me feel so against the map, maybe the "ugliness" in itself or just the fact that it has a bunch of RNG jumps that no one besides AUTO will hit. Just rambling.
The patterns aren't much different from the trash PP farm maps you see getting ranked every week, they're just wider. If anything they flow even better than those "perfectly fine" maps.
Maybe the flow is "fine" if that is what you truly consider to be fine. I'd love to see you attempt to hit those, and if you do, kudos to you.
_handholding
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_handholding

Kynan wrote:

The patterns aren't much different from the trash PP farm maps you see getting ranked every week
If the patterns are similar to trash maps then does that make this a trash map? :thinking:
QTS
25 posts
Joined September 2013
QTS

Kisses wrote:

Kynan wrote:

The patterns aren't much different from the trash PP farm maps you see getting ranked every week
If the patterns are similar to trash maps then does that make this a trash map? :thinking:
You're right. That is indeed contradictory.
body
body

[Taiga] wrote:

creative
Huh, that word is not what I would describe this map as at all. If this is creative then I'm actually the coolest person on Earth 8-) 8-)
fieryrage
Former osu! Champion: 2023
1,420 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage

body wrote:

[Taiga] wrote:

creative
Huh, that word is not what I would describe this map as at all. If this is creative then I'm actually the coolest person on Earth 8-) 8-)
bro ur like 100k and ur judging a map that's 8.5 stars with no mapping experience l oool
Illyasviel
218 posts
Joined July 2013
Illyasviel
How about we stop talking about if someone capable of judging a map or not and instead focus on doing constructive criticism? I'd recommend Monstrata to ask for a cleaning session on this thread because a lot of the stuff being said here is really useless and only brings up drama and flame.
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
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Nao Tomori
hey guys remember when xexxar tried to get me striked 3 different times for after rain
who thinks he'll do it again here raise your hand!!!
Kynan
497 posts
Joined September 2011
Kynan

filsdelmao wrote:

Kisses wrote:

If the patterns are similar to trash maps then does that make this a trash map? :thinking:
You're right. That is indeed contradictory.
How did I expect someone with a nickname like that to get my point, I wonder...
mindmaster107
735 posts
Joined August 2016
mindmaster107
This map was created to reflect the music. Whether it does that or not, I can't say since i'm not a very good mapper.

What I can add to this conversation is that rankable, doesn't mean playable. If the map reflects the song well, in a way which doesn't break the ranking criteria, it technically deserves to be ranked.
I personally don't want this ranked, since to the player majority, this is the flagship for allowing a "messy" style of mapping to take over. This is probably scare mongering, since all of monstrata's old controversial mapsets have not inspired a wash of quality drop in ranked.
However it's the message which matters here. Objectively it should be ok to rank with no repercussions, but it sends the message to potential mappers "this is ok", even if this map used it's ugliness effectively.

This is my opinion to this whole thing.


I do enjoy eating popcorn on my ledge here.
QTS
25 posts
Joined September 2013
QTS
Edit: Writing on mobile is hard lmao.
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body
body

fieryrage wrote:

bro ur like 100k and ur judging a map that's 8.5 stars with no mapping experience l oool
whoa duder that is rude. you okay there buddy?
QTS
25 posts
Joined September 2013
QTS

Kynan wrote:

filsdelmao wrote:

You're right. That is indeed contradictory.
How did I expect someone with a nickname like that to get my point, I wonder...
You were contradicting yourself in the statement of yours and instead of clearing it up you decide to insult me and my name. Tough guy. But since you seem so concerned about your so called "point", go ahead and explain it in further context as to why this song has a better flow than any of those "PP farm maps" that you... didn't refer to?

Thanks in advance Kynan.
mindmaster107
735 posts
Joined August 2016
mindmaster107
A mapping conversation with players doesn't work out, since they value different things.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
3,957 posts
Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
Last warning. If you have nothing constructive or relevant to contribute to this discussion, post nothing, or risk a very hefty silence and possible restriction.

We've removed well over fifty posts from this thread at this point.
Kynan
497 posts
Joined September 2011
Kynan

filsdelmao wrote:

You were contradicting yourself in the statement of yours and instead of clearing it up you decide to insult me and my name. Tough guy. But since you seem so concerned about your so called "point", go ahead and explain it in further context as to why this song has a better flow than any of those "PP farm maps" that you... didn't refer to?

Thanks in advance Kynan.
My point is extremely simple to get though : the jumps aren't any more complicated than the ones you see getting ranked every fucking day. They are just harder to hit because they are wider. End of my point. Got it now ?
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
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Nao Tomori

it doesnt apply for quali right
Linada
995 posts
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Linada
It HaPpEnEd oo
Mint
1,611 posts
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Mint
finally
Nelly
Beatmap Nominator
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Nelly
OH BOY
Realazy
Elite Mapper
1,004 posts
Joined June 2011
Realazy
white discord RRREEEEEEEEEEE
Akitoshi
2,687 posts
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Akitoshi
winny upload stoppddddddddddddddd
Ancelysia
490 posts
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Ancelysia
WAIT WHAT
Logic Agent
483 posts
Joined April 2015
Logic Agent
lets do this thingy
Depths
681 posts
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Depths
oh boy /popcorn
Ideal
Nomination Assessment Team
634 posts
Joined January 2014
Ideal
gather around for this hell of a trip to dramaland
Side
1,127 posts
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Side
winny status: stopped
squirrelpascals
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squirrelpascals
The person who qualified uses light-themed discord, i demand an immediate dq

/s
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2014
Nao Tomori
that was actually hobbes screenshot not me, i'm respectable...
Linada
995 posts
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Linada

squirrelpascals wrote:

The person who qualified uses light-themed discord, i demand an immediate dq

/s
schoolboy
571 posts
Joined July 2016
schoolboy
best of 20167
kbd
53 posts
Joined May 2014
kbd
holy, we did it boiz?
Ideal
Nomination Assessment Team
634 posts
Joined January 2014
Ideal
light theme discord should be punishable by death
Kalibe
2,068 posts
Joined October 2013
Kalibe
here we go
fieryrage
Former osu! Champion: 2023
1,420 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
this is actually fun now good job monstrata proud of u
Shunao
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Shunao
GOOO
jeanbernard8865
600 posts
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jeanbernard8865
O BOI HERE COMES THE DRAMA

defiance
503 posts
Joined July 2015
defiance
congratz monstrata!!
Yohanes
1,285 posts
Joined February 2014
Yohanes
:)
jeanbernard8865
600 posts
Joined December 2014
jeanbernard8865
wait a sec isn't 01:31:862 (3) offscreen since that square is supposedly 4:3 play area
Tanomoshii Nekojou
503 posts
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Tanomoshii Nekojou

Naotoshi wrote:


it doesnt apply for quali right
FINALLY!!! thank you Naotoshi !!! :D :D :D :D
Nowaie
1,021 posts
Joined December 2014
Nowaie

AyanokoRin wrote:

wait a sec isn't 01:31:862 (3) offscreen since that square is supposedly 4:3 play area


Not offscreen ^^, the square is supposed to resemble that and anything inside it is definitely inside the play area on 4:3 but the actual play area is bit bigger
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sdafsf
309 posts
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sdafsf
lol
jeanbernard8865
600 posts
Joined December 2014
jeanbernard8865
oh alright my bad then, I had always assumed that it was strictly the same
MaridiuS
879 posts
Joined June 2014
MaridiuS
let's go monstrota, I was with the map on some parts of its existence, then against it, and now i'm supporting it again, gl.
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
wait, did the rating reset because it was previously loved?
riktoi
711 posts
Joined September 2014
riktoi
grats
diponski
596 posts
Joined April 2013
diponski
gz lol
Linada
995 posts
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Linada

Kisses wrote:

wait, did the rating reset because it was previously loved?
yeah lol it works like a qualified map, if it get DQ/unloved, it reset when requalified
Kurai
osu! Alumni
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Kurai
modded on irc btw
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
Finally yay!
_DT3
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_DT3
Tbh, so many people say drama incoming
looks at the last few pages full of gratz

Gratz btw
Icekalt
558 posts
Joined December 2014
Icekalt
71 pages holy

(Predict one dq but then again qualify after that ranked)

Gratz btw
Yuii-
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Joined July 2013
Yuii-
This video describes the whole thread btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k
Pachiru
Global Moderator
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Joined June 2013
Pachiru
The thing that bother me the most in this thread is

THAT WHITE DISCORD NAOTOSHI HOW YOU DARE?
squirrelpascals
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squirrelpascals

Yuii- wrote:

This video describes the whole thread btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k
There is an accurate prozd video for everything, this is the one for alien
jeanbernard8865
600 posts
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jeanbernard8865

_DT3 wrote:

Tbh, so many people say drama incoming
looks at the last few pages full of gratz

Gratz btw
drama gets insta-deleted FeelsBadMan
Lacrima
377 posts
Joined September 2014
Lacrima
I am simply amazed with Monstrata's determination. I don't know how standard ranking criteria works, but just seeing Monstrata's replies on everyone's suggestions, problems etc...
This just deserves to be ranked.
Caput Mortuum
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Caput Mortuum
holy fuck congrats!!
Enon
Beatmap Nominator
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Joined November 2012
Enon
finally it happens
Hobbes2
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2016
Hobbes2
Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.

p.s. white discord for life LUL

grats monstrata!
Linada
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Joined November 2014
Linada

Hobbes2 wrote:

Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.

p.s. white discord for life LUL

grats monstrata!
BURN
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,652 posts
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Topic Starter
Monstrata

mindmaster107 wrote:

This map was created to reflect the music. Whether it does that or not, I can't say since i'm not a very good mapper.

What I can add to this conversation is that rankable, doesn't mean playable. If the map reflects the song well, in a way which doesn't break the ranking criteria, it technically deserves to be ranked.
I personally don't want this ranked, since to the player majority, this is the flagship for allowing a "messy" style of mapping to take over. This is probably scare mongering, since all of monstrata's old controversial mapsets have not inspired a wash of quality drop in ranked.
However it's the message which matters here. Objectively it should be ok to rank with no repercussions, but it sends the message to potential mappers "this is ok", even if this map used it's ugliness effectively.

This is my opinion to this whole thing.


I do enjoy eating popcorn on my ledge here.
Do you think any mapper will try the techniques and ideas I've used on this map if they know it'll 1. receive multiple bubble pops and outrage from the community, and 2. result in hundreds of pages of discussion and mapping analysis? If anything, this shows how much trouble mappers need to go through to get anything non-standard and creative ranked.
Shinsekai-
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Shinsekai-
gratz m8
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osu! Alumni
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Irreversible
posting so i also posted in that thread once

i mean gz ;D
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squirrelpascals
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squirrelpascals

Hobbes2 wrote:

Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.

p.s. white discord for life LUL

grats monstrata!
Do you people not even read the BNG rules when you get added? Did you just assume you can make discord any color you want? You're 15k dude and a brand new BN, why do you think you can do this?

I think you should be kicked from the BNG for your actions here.
xxdeathx
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Joined July 2013
xxdeathx
no i find it strange that dark theme users look down on people that use the default white theme
it's default for a reason
most things have a white background by default
it's you that went out of your way to change the setting
jeanbernard8865
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Finally, a discussion that matters
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