It HaPpEnEd oo
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Not offscreen ^^, the square is supposed to resemble that and anything inside it is definitely inside the play area on 4:3 but the actual play area is bit bigger
I think you should be kicked from the BNG for your actions here.
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No, listen to the drum
. Also what you proposed is unrankable anyways since the slider becomes improperly snapped (and the sliderend would be unsnapped).
Thanks for the insight, very good to know.
Now, I would prove this, but I can assure you that it would make no difference, as there is no swaying you or the other no-name BN who bubbled this to consider that this incredibly poor attempt at mapping this song is anything but perfectly acceptable in your eyes. Even if you did reconsider, Monstrata would just do a few favours for another pair of BNs and get it ranked anyway.
It's somewhat depressing to know that qualification doesn't have the ability to stop people truly determined to speed rushjob maps through the process via calling in favours from their friends. Must be kinda like how New Yorkers felt about Boss Tweed in the early 20th century...
And frankly, it doesn't matter that the map has been working towards rank for a year, because there are people who have only recently gotten maps ranked that had several years of effort put into them, as well as many maps that tried for years and either have been DQ'd over incredibly minor matters until the mapper gave up trying and maps that had to settle for Loved because BNs and QATs refused to let them through qualification (regardless of attempts to rank).
Art may be subjective, but music structure is completely objective. And the music structure here says the art is wrong.
How about you map it and show us musically underdeveloped hooligans who dare to oppose objective correctness of a piece of music how it's supposed to be done. Be the change you want to see C:
"the art is wrong"
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finally
OH BOY
white discord RRREEEEEEEEEEE
winny upload stoppddddddddddddddd
lets do this thingy
gather around for this hell of a trip to dramaland
winny status: stopped
The person who qualified uses light-themed discord, i demand an immediate dq
/s
/s
that was actually hobbes screenshot not me, i'm respectable...
squirrelpascals wrote:
The person who qualified uses light-themed discord, i demand an immediate dq/s
light theme discord should be punishable by death
here we go
this is actually fun now good job monstrata proud of u
GOOO
O BOI HERE COMES THE DRAMA
wait a sec isn't 01:31:862 (3) offscreen since that square is supposedly 4:3 play area 
FINALLY!!! thank you Naotoshi !!!Naotoshi wrote:
it doesnt apply for quali right
AyanokoRin wrote:
wait a sec isn't 01:31:862 (3) offscreen since that square is supposedly 4:3 play area
Not offscreen ^^, the square is supposed to resemble that and anything inside it is definitely inside the play area on 4:3 but the actual play area is bit bigger
oh alright my bad then, I had always assumed that it was strictly the same
let's go monstrota, I was with the map on some parts of its existence, then against it, and now i'm supporting it again, gl.
wait, did the rating reset because it was previously loved?
yeah lol it works like a qualified map, if it get DQ/unloved, it reset when requalifiedKisses wrote:
wait, did the rating reset because it was previously loved?
modded on irc btw
Finally yay!
Tbh, so many people say drama incoming
looks at the last few pages full of gratz
Gratz btw
looks at the last few pages full of gratz
Gratz btw
71 pages holy
(Predict one dq but then again qualify after that ranked)
Gratz btw
(Predict one dq but then again qualify after that ranked)
Gratz btw
The thing that bother me the most in this thread is
THAT WHITE DISCORD NAOTOSHI HOW YOU DARE?
THAT WHITE DISCORD NAOTOSHI HOW YOU DARE?
There is an accurate prozd video for everything, this is the one for alienYuii- wrote:
This video describes the whole thread btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX4ytfqw6k
drama gets insta-deleted FeelsBadMan_DT3 wrote:
Tbh, so many people say drama incoming
looks at the last few pages full of gratz
Gratz btw
I am simply amazed with Monstrata's determination. I don't know how standard ranking criteria works, but just seeing Monstrata's replies on everyone's suggestions, problems etc...
This just deserves to be ranked.
This just deserves to be ranked.
holy fuck congrats!!
finally it happens
Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.
p.s. white discord for life LUL
grats monstrata!
p.s. white discord for life LUL
grats monstrata!
BURNHobbes2 wrote:
Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.
p.s. white discord for life LUL
grats monstrata!
Topic Starter
Do you think any mapper will try the techniques and ideas I've used on this map if they know it'll 1. receive multiple bubble pops and outrage from the community, and 2. result in hundreds of pages of discussion and mapping analysis? If anything, this shows how much trouble mappers need to go through to get anything non-standard and creative ranked.mindmaster107 wrote:
This map was created to reflect the music. Whether it does that or not, I can't say since i'm not a very good mapper.
What I can add to this conversation is that rankable, doesn't mean playable. If the map reflects the song well, in a way which doesn't break the ranking criteria, it technically deserves to be ranked.
I personally don't want this ranked, since to the player majority, this is the flagship for allowing a "messy" style of mapping to take over. This is probably scare mongering, since all of monstrata's old controversial mapsets have not inspired a wash of quality drop in ranked.
However it's the message which matters here. Objectively it should be ok to rank with no repercussions, but it sends the message to potential mappers "this is ok", even if this map used it's ugliness effectively.
This is my opinion to this whole thing.
gratz m8
posting so i also posted in that thread once
i mean gz ;D
i mean gz ;D
Do you people not even read the BNG rules when you get added? Did you just assume you can make discord any color you want? You're 15k dude and a brand new BN, why do you think you can do this?Hobbes2 wrote:
Guys, please do not blame Naotoshi for the white discord. That was my screenshot of Naotoshi's text. Please redirect all of your hatred to me.
p.s. white discord for life LUL
grats monstrata!
I think you should be kicked from the BNG for your actions here.
no i find it strange that dark theme users look down on people that use the default white theme
it's default for a reason
most things have a white background by default
it's you that went out of your way to change the setting
it's default for a reason
most things have a white background by default
it's you that went out of your way to change the setting
Finally, a discussion that matters
pR3TtY uG1Y
Nice one momstrata
in all seriousness, this map will make more harder maps with weird aesthetics rankable once it's ranked
congrats!!!!!!
congrats!!!!!!
Thanks Mr. Monstrata for that :>AncuL wrote:
in all seriousness, this map will make more harder maps with weird aesthetics rankable once it's ranked
congrats!!!!!!
defaults for a lot of things suck, for example, nobody uses default hitsounding, or the default osu skin. similarly, using the default white discord is similarly heretical and deserves the utmost punishment. i suggest a strike for hobbes2; maybe irre can oblige.
you take that back, default osu! hitsounds are pretty good (except normal soundset)
Grats
I do 99% of the time, both default hitsounds and skin 👀 I just use custom hitsounds when they're map specific 👀Naotoshi wrote:
nobody uses default hitsounding, or the default osu skin..
hi
Congrulations!
Hi, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed before this moves on to rank
alien
- 04:37:763 (1) - This is clearly a U and not an O. I'm pretty sure you spell stop with an O so please change that to an O shape regardless of being able to tell between slider head and tail. Representing the song is more important than being able to read it.
- 04:28:662 (6) - I fear this stream might be too hard for people to play, please nerf by using sliders.
- 03:53:600 (1) - this section needs to use more drum kicks. You only use a kick when guitar changes chord, but a drum never changes pitch! please rectify this by adding more kicks.
congratulations on getting #1 in your country ohori :^)
Finally, Monstrata, you did it! Gratz for ranking this awesome map!
the most beautiful map ever made xd
Topic Starter
Sounds fine o.o[Nemesis] wrote:
02:21:427 (4,5,1) - timing is off in this section, I suggest you recheck that.
Nice.
As always you doing new/controversial stuffs for the community. Long life Monstrata.
As always you doing new/controversial stuffs for the community. Long life Monstrata.
finally!! let's pray for 1 week now, gratz bro
toomuchmeem
no, nemesis is right. i'm 99% sure this is how it's supposed to be timed:Monstrata wrote:
Sounds fine o.o[Nemesis] wrote:
02:21:427 (4,5,1) - timing is off in this section, I suggest you recheck that.
i love you-[ Prxzm ]- wrote:
can someone change to heart icon? 
Topic Starter
no, nemesis is right. i'm 99% sure this is how it's supposed to be timed:Monstrata wrote:
Sounds fine o.o[Nemesis] wrote:
02:21:427 (4,5,1) - timing is off in this section, I suggest you recheck that.
No, listen to the drum
. Also what you proposed is unrankable anyways since the slider becomes improperly snapped (and the sliderend would be unsnapped).my bad, I thought you were mapping vocals in that section
but ya i just snapped the sliderhead, didn't mess with properly snapping the end
but ya i just snapped the sliderhead, didn't mess with properly snapping the end
Hey, I ain't gonna flame the map if the current version of the .mp3 is rankable, but from my point of view it isn't. If it is, tell me why, because in two places it is very much so stretched.
I found this information out from a video of Will Stetson's, which happens to be taken down so I'll need some clarification of whether or not the information has reached here or not.
Here: 00:11:565 (1,1) -
According to his video, this part of the song is double the length of the original version.
And it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes.
The other point that was noted to be stretched was at here: 01:02:466 (1) -
This section, from Will Stetson's pov, was considerably slower than the video's.
And, again, it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes, again.
Look, to tell you the truth, I don't know if this stops rankability or not, so if it does please explain to me why for some god damn reason this is ranked, because if it shouldn't be because of the song then I'm going to believe that Monstrata can literally rank any song in this game. If it is rankable, I need some insight because I may or may not have done enough research on this.
I found this information out from a video of Will Stetson's, which happens to be taken down so I'll need some clarification of whether or not the information has reached here or not.
Here: 00:11:565 (1,1) -
According to his video, this part of the song is double the length of the original version.
And it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes.
The other point that was noted to be stretched was at here: 01:02:466 (1) -
This section, from Will Stetson's pov, was considerably slower than the video's.
And, again, it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes, again.
Look, to tell you the truth, I don't know if this stops rankability or not, so if it does please explain to me why for some god damn reason this is ranked, because if it shouldn't be because of the song then I'm going to believe that Monstrata can literally rank any song in this game. If it is rankable, I need some insight because I may or may not have done enough research on this.
because making a full spread (incl a diff <2.00*) is unreasonable for this type of song
There's nothing in the current ranking criteria which states that the mp3 doesn't have to be extended. It is probably going to be in the future though, as the proposal on t/602728 has a rule against that. You can discuss it there if you'd like to.tporter wrote:
Hey, I ain't gonna flame the map if the current version of the .mp3 is rankable, but from my point of view it isn't. If it is, tell me why, because in two places it is very much so stretched.
I found this information out from a video of Will Stetson's, which happens to be taken down so I'll need some clarification of whether or not the information has reached here or not.
Here: 00:11:565 (1,1) -
According to his video, this part of the song is double the length of the original version.
And it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes.
The other point that was noted to be stretched was at here: 01:02:466 (1) -
This section, from Will Stetson's pov, was considerably slower than the video's.
And, again, it is.
Link to timepoint on normal A-L-I-E-N for comparison sakes, again.
Look, to tell you the truth, I don't know if this stops rankability or not, so if it does please explain to me why for some god damn reason this is ranked, because if it shouldn't be because of the song then I'm going to believe that Monstrata can literally rank any song in this game. If it is rankable, I need some insight because I may or may not have done enough research on this.
Topic Starter
Please discuss mp3 editing in the ranking criteria forums. It is not unrankable currently, and I've used it in a few ranked maps anyways. Some big ones are Santa-San
Gotcha.Monstrata wrote:
Please discuss mp3 editing in the ranking criteria forums. It is not unrankable currently, and I've used it in a few ranked maps anyways. Some big ones are Santa-San
Thanks for the insight, very good to know.
wth, Loved -> App
too pro
too pro
what the.....
Hardly. Making a sub 2* diff (as well as a full spread) would be a triviality for pretty much anyone. How much more so, then, for someone of Monstrata's prestige! The song has a lot of potential simplification opportunities, most especially in the beginning and the last half. Considering the massive spreads Monstrata has experience in making, doing such for a primarily 1/2-1/4 timing structure would be very easy for him.appleeaterx wrote:
because making a full spread (incl a diff <2.00*) is unreasonable for this type of song
Now, I would prove this, but I can assure you that it would make no difference, as there is no swaying you or the other no-name BN who bubbled this to consider that this incredibly poor attempt at mapping this song is anything but perfectly acceptable in your eyes. Even if you did reconsider, Monstrata would just do a few favours for another pair of BNs and get it ranked anyway.
It's somewhat depressing to know that qualification doesn't have the ability to stop people truly determined to speed rushjob maps through the process via calling in favours from their friends. Must be kinda like how New Yorkers felt about Boss Tweed in the early 20th century...
.....This map has been trying to get ranked for over a year now, and I can visibly see a lot of changes Monstrata made since the original version in order to get it ranked. Besides if it could work just by doing favours for other BNs it'd just get DQ'd and the BN's would be removed, I've seen that happen before so I don't see how it's different here.[ Eon Fox ] wrote:
It's somewhat depressing to know that qualification doesn't have the ability to stop people truly determined to speed rushjob maps through the process via calling in favours from their friends. Must be kinda like how New Yorkers felt about Boss Tweed in the early 20th century...
People have copypasted sections of a song before (https://osu.ppy.sh/b/664095 for example) and they have gotten through just fine. Just know that Monstrata is not the only one doing this stretching/extending/copypasting to get over it. In some cases it's perfectly fine and I would argue it's fine here as well.
Monstrata wrote:
Please discuss mp3 editing in the ranking criteria forums. It is not unrankable currently, and I've used it in a few ranked maps anyways. Some big ones are Santa-San
Eon Fox you should really stop talking about shit you know nothing about
Kisses wrote:
Eon Fox you should really stop talking about shit you know nothing about
If it didn't work by the matter of calling favours, and thus get DQ as well as removal of BNs, both Apple and the other no-name BN who originally qualified this would not have held their positions (which they did). And regardless of the changes Monstrata DID make, he refused and still to this day refuses to address and fix the most glaring errors (most regarding improper flow and poor structure). I don't care if you pull the "experience" card on Monstrata's behalf, because guess what? Any moron with any knowledge of music theory can tell the map ignores damn near all the structure of the song that is actually consistent.TheOnlyLeon wrote:
.....This map has been trying to get ranked for over a year now, and I can visibly see a lot of changes Monstrata made since the original version in order to get it ranked. Besides if it could work just by doing favours for other BNs it'd just get DQ'd and the BN's would be removed, I've seen that happen before so I don't see how it's different here.[ Eon Fox ] wrote:
It's somewhat depressing to know that qualification doesn't have the ability to stop people truly determined to speed rushjob maps through the process via calling in favours from their friends. Must be kinda like how New Yorkers felt about Boss Tweed in the early 20th century...
And frankly, it doesn't matter that the map has been working towards rank for a year, because there are people who have only recently gotten maps ranked that had several years of effort put into them, as well as many maps that tried for years and either have been DQ'd over incredibly minor matters until the mapper gave up trying and maps that had to settle for Loved because BNs and QATs refused to let them through qualification (regardless of attempts to rank).
Look, I've done this song and dance with two maps by now. I really shouldn't have to personally contact the composers of a song or plaster screenshots of sheet music or the MIDI notation just for people to use their common sense. I'm not even remotely sure how I have extensive experience with music theory and composition (yes, even for this kind of metal), information direct from files containing the exact structure of a songs beat and rhythm (or even sheet music), and have no problem asking the actual musicians themselves for confirmation, and STILL people like you think I'm somehow some complete idiot who has no knowledge or experience to back me up.Kisses wrote:
Eon Fox you should really stop talking about shit you know nothing about
Art may be subjective, but music structure is completely objective. And the music structure here says the art is wrong.
Topic Starter
Thanks for your opinion! Good night~
Eon Fox I hope you realise that this is just a video game right? Writing essays on your view on how everything is formed (and thus can appearently only be mapped in that way which is dumb as music is always recieved differently and that'll mean theory can be discussed too!) makes you look like an extreme pest. It's an open community. People will disagree. Saying that You know MORE cause you have THEORY really doesn't brighten anything up. It might help too if you didn't picture to be better than everyone else.
Just go chill orz dude, enough essays for now.
Just go chill orz dude, enough essays for now.
when you're trying to be naxess @Eon Fox
I would like to see that map to which the music structure sais "it's right" lol.[ Eon Fox ] wrote:
Look, I've done this song and dance with two maps by now. I really shouldn't have to personally contact the composers of a song or plaster screenshots of sheet music or the MIDI notation just for people to use their common sense. I'm not even remotely sure how I have extensive experience with music theory and composition (yes, even for this kind of metal), information direct from files containing the exact structure of a songs beat and rhythm (or even sheet music), and have no problem asking the actual musicians themselves for confirmation, and STILL people like you think I'm somehow some complete idiot who has no knowledge or experience to back me up.Kisses wrote:
Eon Fox you should really stop talking about shit you know nothing about
Art may be subjective, but music structure is completely objective. And the music structure here says the art is wrong.
How about you map it and show us musically underdeveloped hooligans who dare to oppose objective correctness of a piece of music how it's supposed to be done. Be the change you want to see C:
"the art is wrong"
