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niyuji

Kocari wrote:

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01:21:868 (1,2,3,4,1) - Kinda inconsistent to what you are doing. You do 3/4 patterns here then the others are different. I would keep them the same. guess i'll have to change :^)
01:28:382 (1) - SV is throwing me off, I don't think you need this since the quality of sound is similiar to 01:27:353 (1) - which doesn't have it. Plus it doesn't make sense to me to then have a slow part 01:28:896 (2) - overlapping that ok
01:33:353 (3) - Your ending your sliderend on a rather peculiar beat. Having it as a triple or like this http://puu.sh/sNS9O/27195ce4e8.jpg feels better okay, changed
01:33:868 (6) - This is as same as above it's being held too long on a downbeat as well added a circle on a downbeat
02:09:953 (3) - I wouldn't recommend having this single note on a blue tick, people will backlash you sure, i'll make here slider instead
This is all I can give

Key Areas to work on:
Before Kiai mainly your spacing.
I give you effort for trying new things, but it has a lot of flaws that needs to be checked out by others. Your slider shapes most of them are unnecessary. I'll be back in the future to see how far it will progress.
thanks :)

Wishkey wrote:

Yow! from the clan queue

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  1. 00:38:668 (5) -,00:41:410 (4) - etc really strong unique sound here, could use a hitsound like a whistle for some feedback while playing added a whistle on sliders head (each)
  2. 00:46:896 (4,1) - spacing too close here, will prob gonna get misread for a 1/4 gap by some people since your 1/4s were actually even larger then 00:44:325 (6,1) - and 00:49:810 (6,1) - ok
  3. 00:51:353 (2,3,1) - would emphasize the (1) here more since thats the strongest beat and (3) isnt really that strong, you made a direction change in the previous parts with a bit higher spacing for these so I'd suggest doing something similar here, right now it has lower spacing and in the flow, doesnt really fit in with the rest and the strong beat itself ok
  4. 00:51:696 (1,4) - 00:48:953 (1) - bit subjective but why all these different really hard shapes? It kinda looks really forced atm to me and something more consistent for these non important sliders would feel better imo to make the long ones stand out even more as the irregular ones ok will see what i can do about it
  5. 01:28:896 (2) - kinda expected a speedup here instead, seems stronger then 01:28:382 (1) - would consider swapping the sv's since that speedup from (1) feels kinda out of place atm when there it isnt really different then others sliders where you used regular sv for hmmm
  6. 01:42:439 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - would lower spacing a bit more here, still kinda looks the same like the prev ones and when all the intrsuments drop except the piano I kinda expected a bigger difference here compared to the prev stream ok
  7. 02:09:953 (3,4) - 3/4 gap kinda threw me off, came rather unexpected maybe best to use a 1/2 slider here like similar shape as 02:09:525 (1) - for example ok
  8. 02:20:925 (3) - ^ ok
  9. 04:52:639 (4,1) - kinda late to introduce this kind of jump pattern and I think its the only time you use it,and there have beenplaces where something like this could have applied where the music changes alot like 05:14:925 (8,1) - 05:01:210 (4,1) - so I'd stick with more similar ones like these for consistency and since its alrdy 5 min into the song ok
  10. 05:24:953 (1) - no sv thingy here? It seems inconsistent with your pattern since its similar sounds like 05:22:468 (5) - 05:16:982 (5) - not sure because i had changed sv previously 02:15:696 (1) -
Hope it helped and GL with the map guys! (srry took a while still kinda sick :/)
thaanks :)

KuranteMelodii wrote:



RIP my activity, maybe i shouldn't aiming to be a BN at the first place lol

[Endless Sea]
  1. Can you make the combo colors lighter a little bit? It blends with the BG too much yeah will try
  2. 00:41:239 (3) - I think that you have better opinion like stacking to the slider end at 00:40:725 (1) - rather having a gimmick overlap, It will looks more tidier and the current one is kinda forced to make this overlap ok
  3. 00:41:753 (1) - Optional though, but can you make the end slightly more curve? The aesthetics looks weird imo sure
  4. 00:44:153 (5,6) - Two straight kick slider is okay here, making a kick slider that complicated might looks cramped and weird made them look simple by copy pasting previous sliders
  5. 00:43:810 (2,6) - 00:43:982 (3,4,5,1) - Nazi, but i think it looks more better when stacked, But it's okay if you changed those kick slider :^)
  6. 00:46:896 (4,1) - Perhaps you should make their distance larger, at least move 00:47:239 (1) - so 00:46:896 (4) - can point to it, The flow isn't great when playing at this part, It can't catch up 00:47:239 (1) - so it plays oddly ye
  7. 00:48:953 (1) - Nazi, but i think it looks better when they're parallel with 00:49:639 (5,6) - , but you might need to adjust 00:49:982 (1) - remapped
  8. 00:49:982 (1) - Again, Nazi, but at least you adjust the bottom part like this so the wave can stand out and the look will look better ok
  9. 00:51:525 (3) - This overlap creates reading issues, players won't have time to read it remapped
  10. 00:58:382 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - There's many problems i want to mention in this pattern but i can't make any suggestions on it:
    1. 00:57:868 (3,1,2,3) - It doesn't flow well from 3 to 1, it gives a feeling that going to push to the right
    2. 00:58:896 (3,4) - The jump distance is strangely decreased yet it also creates flow issues on 00:58:896 (3,4,1) -
    3. 00:59:239 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - downward motion at 00:59:239 (1,2,3) - then upward at 00:59:668 (2,3,4) - , although it's okay logically but it makes 00:59:582 (1,2,3,4) - easy to choke than expected when i was testplaying it, but sure is this the reason it easy to choke
  11. 01:21:868 (1,2,3,4,1) - Those stacked circles is kinda strange to read, tbh, 01:21:868 (1,2) - Is acceptable but 01:22:382 (3,4,1) - makes the next slider isn't clear enough, but sure is it because the combo color or my skin, but this issue also happened when i was playing it
  12. 01:26:153 (2,1,2) - Another flow issue though, It's kinda like suddenly reach out for 01:26:668 (1) - idk i'll change for now but later i'll probably remap this section in worst case
  13. 01:27:868 (3,4,1) - Same thing that i mentioned on 01:21:868 (1,2,3,4,1) - atm not changing; yeah it may confuse player alot; i'll see that can i do abou it
  14. 04:49:125 (3,6) - Again, those kick sliders no need to be that complicated they're fine imo
  15. 05:15:010 (1) - No....The path is hidden too much at the end, maybe you can use the same slider as 05:15:268 (2) - ok
  16. 05:16:296 (2,3) - Nazi, but you can make the head part straight this time ok
  17. 05:20:153 (1) - The path at the end is kinda hidden too, but better than before it's short and doesn't require big movement so i'll keep it imo
    I like the dubstep part though, I really like some of the slider arts, however, the aesthetics and flow needs more work though, what i can see here, you're putting too hard on complicated short slider and gimmick overlaps such as 00:49:982 (1,3) - ,making those part was kinda cramped and hard to sightread, you can review xChorse's part for some parts, his part is awesome

    Also, use more copy and paste...:^)

Good luck~
thaaanks :)
xChorse

C00L wrote:

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00:35:753 (2) - did you intend for this to be off stacked like this with 00:34:725 (2) - ? its stacked tho
01:18:781 (5) - the sounds here are way too different from the stream at 01:18:439 (1,2,3) - here, i'd strongly recommend you change that to 1/4 kicksliders instead which would add emphasis on that huge sound change stream puts more intensity on it imo
01:19:125 (1) - in terms of these kicksliders mute every tick after the red tick so like you'd put a green point at 01:19:339 - (1/8 snapping) to 5% volume and then back to original volume at 01:19:468 (2) - that way you're only getting the sounds that actually are there, since currently this is overmapping, you may think i'm off my head since the 1/8 sliders follow the little buzzing sounds, they don't not pefectly each buzzing sound only lasts 1/2 beats before "ending " and restarting again on the white tick it literally follows the buzzing sound lol
01:42:439 (1) - your volume setting for these is way too loud, you should have start at like 25% rather than 40% 25 for a stream would be way too low imo, either gonna change to 30 later if someone points it out as well
01:43:810 (1) - your spacing in this section seems to be very random here, it goes from 2.3 x for example at here 01:45:353 (2) - (beginning of patterns ) to 01:49:468 (2) - 2.9x here, it makes no sense the music hasn't changed in intensity what so ever so why increase it, it's also really uneven here if you look at it here 01:46:725 (2) - and 01:48:096 (2) - it's really randomly placed it may be only 0.1x difference that one but keep in mind you started at 2.3x. That's only one of the sliders in this whole section i hl'ed but it applies to this whole section, if i were you i'd keep a constant 2.5 or 2.6x DS between similar patterns like i highlighted in that way you'd make all the patterns consistent in spaicng. I mean rhythm wise the next sections are fine it's just your spacing usage you need to change, since I think you maybe went for a uneven gradual spacing increase but that doesn't fit at all since the music doesn't support that what so ever, since it's just repeated all the time distance snap in extra diff ResidentSleeper
02:04:982 (7) - i don't see why you would stack that note when that only makes 02:05:068 (8) - sound less emphasized yet it's got really strong sounds too, just space it out normally like a stream puts more emphasis by suddenly having to stop the cursor

03:13:982 (10,11) - stacking these sounds is a big waste imo considering how strong they are, consider spacing them out ya
03:43:810 (1,1) - making these the same is odd aaaa since they follow 2 different sound intensities, making 03:44:496 (1) - have a sharper angle than the other one would emphasize that change very well. Apart from that slow part seems ok
04:29:925 (1) - why not start the spinner at 04:29:839 - ? it would emphasize those background sounds really well hwy not
04:57:782 (4) - this sound is less intense than this for example 04:57:867 (5) - yet it still has the same spacing all along its just a stream dont really see a need to put more emphasis on it zz
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Aniviuh
Why is everything moved back by 1/1?
Topic Starter
niyuji

ViolentBoo wrote:

Why is everything moved back by 1/1?
try redownloading :^)
MrJoghurt
Hello from my queue.
finally heres my mod
map looks awesome

General:
Nice BG picture Name :D

_kise:
04:20:153 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This part should use the same rythm as 04:22:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - since its the same thing in the music twice, with an other ending sound. The difference between important notes and unimportant notes doesn't change.

04:20:582 (4,8) - Make them reverse sliders, feels better imo.
04:21:782 - I want to click that sound.
04:21:954 (3,4,5,6,7) - maby do it like this, so the base sound is klickable


04:23:410 (4) - this slider is placed on two strong sounds with two less important sounds after them. One of them is skipped and the sound on the end of this slider is stronger than 04:23:668 (5) - the sound of this circle. I would think 2 short sliders would fit better.

04:24:353 (2,4) - I think the notes on the end of these sliders are strong enough to be clicked especially on 04:24:782 (4) - this one.
xChorse:
04:48:610 (13) - I think the last tick of this slider is a stronger sound than the jump afterwards

Good luck with this map :)
xChorse

st_stefan wrote:

_kise: actually my part lol
04:20:153 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This part should use the same rythm as 04:22:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - since its the same thing in the music twice, with an other ending sound. The difference between important notes and unimportant notes doesn't change. Sure

04:20:582 (4,8) - Make them reverse sliders, feels better imo.
04:21:782 - I want to click that sound.
04:21:954 (3,4,5,6,7) - maby do it like this, so the base sound is klickable


04:23:410 (4) - this slider is placed on two strong sounds with two less important sounds after them. One of them is skipped and the sound on the end of this slider is stronger than 04:23:668 (5) - the sound of this circle. I would think 2 short sliders would fit better.

04:24:353 (2,4) - I think the notes on the end of these sliders are strong enough to be clicked especially on 04:24:782 (4) - this one.
this part is actually really tricky to balance between the rhythm and playability. Previous mods have also pointed out some changes (which I applied) and I hope this is the best mix between rhythm/playability/consistency. So I'm keeping most of the current


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Topic Starter
niyuji

st_stefan wrote:

Hello from my queue.
finally heres my mod
map looks awesome

General:
Nice BG picture Name :D lol ty

04:48:610 (13) - I think the last tick of this slider is a stronger sound than the jump afterwards yea but if i make kickslider shorter (4/4 to 3/4) and add a circle before 04:48:953 (1,2,3) - i would confuse player a lot and even cause combo break there

Good luck with this map :)
thanks
Topic Starter
niyuji
[General]
  1. OD 8,6 for a map like this is overkill, use like 8 - 8,2 i'd say since going up higher is only making it harder to hit and considering you use very cramped patterns that is a pretty big issue, speaking about settings HP is ok i think but if i were you i'd still nerf it to 5,5 because of the same reason as above ^ only that this time you'll lose a lot of hp xd od 8,2
  2. The bg seems to have no assosiation with the song what so ever, the translation form Dans la mer de son means A sea of her in French yet there seems to be no "sea" here at all just a random anime character. Just a suggestion i have here where the birds representing broken love which represents "her" as a never to forger figure and since "sea" will then represent a deep feeling for "her" it would fit really nicely imo, But you could say the bg suggestion doesn't feel that strong of impact for all the wubs, but if you look at it this way the wubs are not as strong as what you'd compare it to all the other camellia songs (exceptions are kiai's) most of the parts are calm in feeling and relaxing and that's what this bg would fit in. I tihnk lol too late to change it because sb is half way done and we don't really want to change it anyways
[Endless Sea]
  1. 00:05:067 (1) - If i were you i'd make this a bit quieter than 00:05:410 (3) - so that it would look something like this, For example: (1) gets 10% volume and (3) gets 20% volume in that way you'd make the intensity rise at note (3) emphasized more, since the bells change on that note ever so slightly. Just a suggestion there's nothing wrong with you're current status but i think that would be a pretty dank addition if you done it for all patterns like that in the beginning don't think we need it
  2. 00:38:839 (6)
  3. 00:40:382 (2,3) - you should delete these notes tbh, they don't really follow any dominant sounds and if you delete them the emphasis at 00:43:296 (2)
  4. 00:44:325 (6) - same as before don't map the same slider as you did here 00:44:153 (5) - both different sounds all together
    changed
  5. 00:58:382 (1) - ook so for this section the spacing you have used is way too big considering it's more or less the same stream spacing you used in the kiai's this is really really odd to do the same thing here, in the box below this suggestion you will find a couple of links with screenshots to a solution to this pattern i split them up into 3 screenshots to help you see exactly what's going on i've tweaked some flow issues and ds by the time and atm won't change it like you've suggested because imo it's fine and also i had asked many people feedback and they were agreeing with me so no changes there
    https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6800215 - the first screenshot shows you that the triplets are now stacked the reason for that is because there isn't any sounds before that slider that are standing out as much in comparasing to 00:58:725 (1) - for instanse so making it such high spacing is nonsense

    http://puu.sh/sOqdL/98df415a76.jpg - The second screenshot shows you the spacing i used for this pattern triplet and its position (its the slider end of 00:57:525 (2) - ) it's curved at a angle to lead into the third screenshot

    http://puu.sh/sOqie/ef87efbdf2.jpg - here you see that slider (4) is highlighted that is to show you it's position and that it's rotated by -45* to maintain that circular motion with (3) and finally the last note at the last stacked triplet slider is stacked too, you may be wondering "why doe it's got the same sounds as the previous triple t sound that you just complained about a r e u drunk cool wtf" well let me tell you why, There are many reasons why but the one i solely would focus on is the fact that 00:59:239 (1,2,3) - this thing is the stacked triplet slider before 00:59:582 (1) - the spaced out stream so making the spacing the same (0,5x) as in the previous slider would only make it more awkward to hit since youll be moving downards onto a stream that goes into another angle, it's awkward to hit. So by stacking the notes here you let the player rest a little and stay in a non moving motion before then moving onto the next anti-flow stream which will add emphasis on it too!
  6. 01:28:296 (4,1,2)
  7. 01:30:782 - remapped
  8. 01:31:468 (1) - ok so your doubles here don't fit at all tbh you miss a lot of emphasis on most of the part here which is really not fitting and off putting, more or less this is the rhytm you should use for this part to get all the emphasis on everything (i spaced things out i would have, but you can do it differently however you want it was just to give a fair example) doubles are fine imo
  9. 01:37:468 (2) - for this you could use the same arrangement for the stream as i provided ^, not the same placement just the first note placement if you changed it to that, if not use whatever spacing you did
  10. 01:42:439 (1) - your volume setting for these is way too loud, you should have start at like 25% rather than 40% maybe your setting are tweaked differently because im ok with 40%
  11. 02:07:296 (3,5) - these sort of angles on sliders are so bad imo, they just flow so horribly like for example these ones 02:06:782 (1,2) - are fine since they have at least sometime the player can move his cursor the other way, whilst the ones i mentioned first don't give you that time and just put you at a awkward angle to hit, Also in terms of sliders use the same sliders for the same sounds why just spam new and random (sometimes uglier) slider shapes when all of the follow the same sounds, makes it more consistenr and if you get it right once youll get it right always, more all less all this spammy slider section too this point applies for ok
  12. 02:26:325 (1) - since this is a 1/3 section here and it has been nowhere to be seen in the previous parts start this section off with a 1/3 repeat slider to lead the player nicely into the rest of the 1/3 section so even doing something like this would make it more comfortable to play, since the player 1. isn't expecting it and therefore when plays this section he will mistake this spacing as just 1/2 clicks rather than a 1/3 stream, since spacing is really similar to more or less the quieter sections in the map it's easy to mistaken and placing that slider will introduce him into the rest of the section with a ease of what's going on since he will have a sense of rhythm by that point 2. starting off a totally different snapping stream like for example 1/3 should be represented using something different rather than constant mapping that you used across the whole map, and since it's something newer it should be introduced in a easier fashion than the rest of the map. So even placing straight slider like this one would do the trick its ok imo, yes it would be hard for player to switch between 1/4 and 1/3 but i think that 6circles are better option than 1+3
  13. 02:38:668 (1,2,3) - although im not a big fan of this pattern it's nicely mapped and follows things well
  14. 02:40:382 (3) - fix stack with 02:39:353 (1) - ?ok
  15. 02:41:582 (2) - there's a sound on the blue tick that when missing it out on those sliders is making it sounds relaly offputting, making these longer 1/1 sliders just 1/2 only with a repeat would sound and play much better tbh what sound lol
  16. 04:34:468 (4,1) - your note placement in this kiai is usually spread out here, making this a stack confuses the shit out of players since literally 1 pattern ago this wasn't the case and it feels odd too, you always kept a 1/2 gap between the next notes too like here 04:31:468 (3,1) - 1/2 gap between the next things or here 04:32:839 (3,1) - these are same sounds all along here too 04:34:210 (3) - ! so keep these things consistent, spacing will be an issue here when you delete this note here yes! but that doesn't mean that should stop you from re-arranging things to make it more consistent ! There's also practically no sound mapped to that! ok but won't change spacing because 04:34:210 (3,1) - and 04:45:182 (3,1) - kind of similar and a ds change would require to remap those sections
  17. 04:45:439 (4) - ^ ye ^
  18. 04:49:639 (1) - 4.2x on ds cmon, you never even used that spacing in the kiai itself and this part is calmer, same goes for 04:49:125 (3) - which has even higher spacing jez i don't think it's an issue because at this point music gets highly intense
  19. 04:52:725 (1) - why make a stream jump at a calmer music part, that just doesn't fit really, make this just a normal stream end and maybe even a slower slider than current state to emphasize that intense music change, so like you could make 04:52:725 (1) - this sv like 1,4x and make it 3/4 too to emphasize that background noise, since the sound you are emphasizing atm is basically hearable all the time whilst this background noise sound isn't which makes it something better to map to ! and if slower things lead into another section more emphasis is gained and because you used a 2x sv slider here 04:53:068 (1) - making a slower slider before that would really fit ye
  20. 05:35:582 (1) - same suggestion about the 1/3 pattern above that i said you should dohmmmmm told already

[Final Words]

The map imo needs a lot more mods looking at rhythm choices, spacing, slider, overlap and placement issues imo, since in it's current state it needs a lot of refinment imo. The points I have made through out this mod apply to more than just one point most likely, I just haven't mentioned it since once you apply it (or deny it w/e) you should then go on looking for similar mistakes and changing them accordingly too. Like that slow slider section for example that i said you could use same shapes that's what i mean more or less.

Anyway that's more or less how i feel about the map, Good Luck!!
thanks!
Affirmation
Q

[asdf]
turn on display epilesy warning
00:44:153 (5) - unsmap
00:44:325 (6) - ^
02:10:896 (1) - ctrl G for better flow
02:37:468 (2,4) - avoid overlap
03:09:096 (1,2,3) - really hard to read overlap
04:31:125 (1,2,3) - hard to play and read

GL
xChorse

Neoskylove wrote:

[asdf]
02:37:468 (2,4) - avoid overlap intendededed
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Topic Starter
niyuji

Neoskylove wrote:

Q
turn on display epilesy warning ok
00:44:153 (5) - unsmap ok
00:44:325 (6) - ^ ok
02:10:896 (1) - ctrl G for better flow not sure if it makes it flow better so
03:09:096 (1,2,3) - really hard to read overlap i don't think so because if you got used to similar style maps it won't be hard to read tho
04:31:125 (1,2,3) - hard to play and read why.? imo it is not that hard to play and read, you just need to get used to it

GL
thanks for modding
[Nemesis]
hi
M4M'ing

Endless Sea


01:16:039 (7,1) - unlike the patterns you've used before ( and so on) this note is exactly over the stream. I'd either move this one a little, or fix every other pattern, for the sake of consequency.
01:14:668 (7,4) - uhm, I'm not sure about the readability of these sliders... make them look a bit more obvious like 01:28:382 (4) -
01:43:553 (6) - different combo colors please, it's almost unreadable.
05:15:953 (2) - uhhh, for some reason this feels so uncomfortable to read .__.
05:27:782 (4,1) - and 05:30:696 (6,1) - lack of flow consistency

that's all, it's almost perfect, I love it <3
xChorse

[Nemesis] wrote:

hi
M4M'ing

Endless Sea


01:16:039 (7,1) - unlike the patterns you've used before this note is exactly over the stream. I'd either move this one a little, or fix every other pattern, for the sake of consequency. follows the same back and forth as the previous ones, so it's more consistent to keep it
01:14:668 (7,4) - uhm, I'm not sure about the readability of these sliders... make them look a bit more obvious like 01:28:382 (4) - intentional because it's a different part in the song from everything else
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Topic Starter
niyuji

[Nemesis] wrote:

hi
M4M'ing

Endless Sea


01:43:553 (6) - different combo colors please, it's almost unreadable. seperated with different shades of gray
05:15:953 (2) - uhhh, for some reason this feels so uncomfortable to read .__. that's why this part is so tricky, not every map should be easy. i would say it's a mini challenge for player
05:27:782 (4,1) - and 05:30:696 (6,1) - lack of flow consistency this section is complex in its own way, i think it's fine according to stacks and placement

that's all, it's almost perfect, I love it <3
thanks :)
Lasse
from m4m

your greys probably look a bit too identical ingame
05:18:268 (1) - offscreen http://i.imgur.com/sxrJERl.jpg
05:31:468 (1) - even more http://i.imgur.com/L7j5XSj.jpg
05:31:982 (1) - lol http://i.imgur.com/Pin0CFq.jpg

one thing that happens on many spots in the map is this really bad playfield usage. take 00:05:067 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for example. it's all in this very small restricted area, making it feel pretty boring

00:19:982 - even spacing or full stack here would make more sense cause tail and both circles map the same sound, similar for things like 00:30:268 (1,2,3) -
01:02:668 - from here on I don't get your rhythm choice at all. at first I thought this was supposed to become some kind of buildup but it just seemingly randomly swaps between repeat slidrs and circles the whole time
01:05:410 - similar but with 1/2

01:11:925 (7,1) - you really have to care more about what autostacking does to things like this . make sure http://i.imgur.com/Ca4sr27.jpg is enabled and it should be obvious. things like http://i.imgur.com/V4dHKWb.jpg happen on smany spots in the whole map and should be manually adjusted

01:27:182 (4) - some kind of whistle would be great here
01:43:810 - whole part could use whistles to accentuate high pitched sounds better
02:26:325 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1) - I'd just swap this rhythm to introduce the new snapping with repeats instead of having the easier rhythm later. also rhythm sounds like http://i.imgur.com/2Slihsm.jpg would fit better

04:14:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,1,2) - I don't think this makes much sense tapping wise causet he song puts more emphasis on white ticks, but your triples do the opposite

04:31:382 (2) - 1/4 spacing for this whole part is lol and I don't think it makes much sense with the intensity of the song to suddenly make the 1/4 jumps..
04:42:096 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - one of the many spots where things just get extremely cluttered for no reason, using more of the playfield and more varied movement would help

02:05:753 - 05:15:010 - while the drum beats are very similar for these parts, the others things are quite different, so having the parts feel this similar in the map was is a bit underwhelming
05:35:582 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1) - similar issue to the other 1/3 stream

gl
xChorse

Lasse wrote:

00:19:982 - even spacing or full stack here would make more sense cause tail and both circles map the same sound, similar for things like 00:30:268 (1,2,3) - changed 1st one to be more consistent
01:02:668 - from here on I don't get your rhythm choice at all. at first I thought this was supposed to become some kind of buildup but it just seemingly randomly swaps between repeat slidrs and circles the whole time
01:05:410 - similar but with 1/2 00:59:925 - buildup for the rhythm of the triples, followed by 01:02:668 - which is triples into return sliders that is buildup for aim, then the spacing keeps increasing to add even more buildup. All of this is intentional since an unusual rhythm is coming up with varied spacing

01:11:925 (7,1) - you really have to care more about what autostacking does to things like this . make sure http://i.imgur.com/Ca4sr27.jpg is enabled and it should be obvious. things like http://i.imgur.com/V4dHKWb.jpg happen on smany spots in the whole map and should be manually adjusted it's always enabled though and honestly i've stopped caring about this since every other ranked map has multiple of these issues without anyone being bothered


gl
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Topic Starter
niyuji

Lasse wrote:

from m4m

your greys probably look a bit too identical ingame
05:18:268 (1) - offscreen http://i.imgur.com/sxrJERl.jpg i don't see why is it a problem? say you're playing hr (cs:5.2) then it won't even go offscreen
05:31:468 (1) - even more http://i.imgur.com/L7j5XSj.jpg ok
05:31:982 (1) - lol http://i.imgur.com/Pin0CFq.jpg ok

one thing that happens on many spots in the map is this really bad playfield usage. take 00:05:067 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for example. it's all in this very small restricted area, making it feel pretty boring i've changed some sliders but main idea is the same, because i stack every 00:05:067 (1,1,1,1) - on previous sliders tail, it's complicated to use whole playfield

01:27:182 (4) - some kind of whistle would be great here ok
01:43:810 - whole part could use whistles to accentuate high pitched sounds better that many hitsounds might be a bit overkill
02:26:325 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1) - I'd just swap this rhythm to introduce the new snapping with repeats instead of having the easier rhythm later. also rhythm sounds like http://i.imgur.com/2Slihsm.jpg would fit better ok, changed

04:14:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,1,2) - I don't think this makes much sense tapping wise causet he song puts more emphasis on white ticks, but your triples do the opposite if i would swap then it would be worse imo, in this case i wanted to make buildup more intense

04:31:382 (2) - 1/4 spacing for this whole part is lol and I don't think it makes much sense with the intensity of the song to suddenly make the 1/4 jumps.. stacked, it's similar to the first kiai, so there won't be 1/4 large spacings, in some places i left because there was no better solution
04:42:096 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - one of the many spots where things just get extremely cluttered for no reason, using more of the playfield and more varied movement would help well i changed some placement, hope it's better

02:05:753 - 05:15:010 - while the drum beats are very similar for these parts, the others things are quite different, so having the parts feel this similar in the map was is a bit underwhelming it may seem it but that was the basic concept why these parts feel similar; as well as storyboard itself changes at the end
05:35:582 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1) - similar issue to the other 1/3 stream ok

gl
thanks!
will try our best to push it for rank
6th
Hey.

00:11:068 (4) - Idk if it's intended or not but its end cool look a bit better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376087.
00:18:096 (2,1) - Please stack them so the movement start on 00:18:268 (1) - to emphasize it. You already did that at 00:21:525 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - etc.
00:25:125 (2,3) - CTRL+G to keep the using of stacks consistent and coherent. Same goes for 00:33:353 (2,3) -
00:25:468 (4,5) - Maybe you could lower the spawing a bit ? It doesn't look that justified.
00:28:210 (2) - Reverse it for consistency. If you really don't want to do it then you may want to remove that anti-jump 00:28:210 (2,3) -. It can be really surprising for the player since it's the first time that an anti-jump has appeared in your map.
00:41:410 (4) - 00:38:668 (5,6) - Why are they different when they sound the same musically ? You do alternate sliders and kicksliders + triplet consistently from 00:37:982 - to 00:53:925 - but it doesn't make much sense in such a repetitive section and makes the section unbalanced in terms of difficulty since one is much harder than the other.
00:57:182 (1,2,3) - I don't really get why they are different from 00:54:439 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - (especially the reverse slider), again they sound the same. I guess you wanted to make a transition between these 00:56:839 (2,1) - but it doesn't work well since the player have to suddenly click on a red tick after an 1/1-long slider. Adding a circle at 00:58:210 - would fix that.
00:59:925 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't really get why you do that but you break momentum at 01:02:668 (1) -, it doesn't reflect the song very well.
01:06:439 (5,6,1) - Spacing seems unnecessarily high compared to 01:07:810 (4,5) - and 01:05:410 (1,2) - , I recommand lowering it.
01:10:896 (1,2,3) - This rhythm is really tricky and inintuitive since it compells the player to suddenly click on white tick, then blue ones. You may want to make a transition between the 2 rhythms, that's why I recommand doing something like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376153 that (just look at rhythm, not placement). The player will notice extended sliders and click just after, therefore it will be much more readable.
01:31:468 (1,2,3,4) - They could easily be read as doubles, try something like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376222
01:48:096 (2,3,4,6) - This isn't visually very pleasing, clean it up.
02:06:010 (2,1) - iirc it's unrankable. Ask a QAT/BN.
02:42:953 (4,1,2,3) - Flow looks too wide between them, I recommand moving the triplet a bit to the right.
02:47:925 (3,4,1) - This feels a bit weird to play tbh, mind moving 02:48:268 (1) - under 02:48:182 (4) - ?
03:01:553 - 03:02:925 - (etc) Are you sure about ignoring that sound ?
03:44:496 (1,2) - 03:49:982 (2,2) - You usually don't overmap calm sections so just extend them to red tick.
03:56:382 (1,1) - They're all finishing on the downbeat so consider reversing 03:55:010 (1) -, it makes more sense.
04:20:839 (5) - NC
04:21:525 (1,2,3,4) - Why does the rhythm change compared to 04:20:153 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ?
04:55:039 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1) - It doesn't sound that different from the other streams so why is spacing inconsistent here ?
05:01:296 (1,1) - 05:01:982 (1,2,1) - Please make the rhythm consistent since they sound the same.

This is a good map but you could have done better rhythm choices imo.
xChorse

6th wrote:

Hey.
00:18:096 (2,1) - Please stack them so the movement start on 00:18:268 (1) - to emphasize it. You already did that at 00:21:525 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - etc. It's a distinct sound on a 1/2 so i want to put more emphasis by adding spacing between 00:18:096 (2,1) - . The others which you pointed out were 1/1s so I could stack them without making reading too hard
00:25:125 (2,3) - CTRL+G to keep the using of stacks consistent and coherent. Same goes for 00:33:353 (2,3) - Don't think that's an issue, but I changed some of them
00:25:468 (4,5) - Maybe you could lower the spawing a bit ? It doesn't look that justified. Done
00:28:210 (2) - Reverse it for consistency. If you really don't want to do it then you may want to remove that anti-jump 00:28:210 (2,3) -. It can be really surprising for the player since it's the first time that an anti-jump has appeared in your map. Intentional, also 00:30:096 (4,1) - is the same
00:59:925 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't really get why you do that but you break momentum at 01:02:668 (1) -, it doesn't reflect the song very well. Personally I think it reflects the music well as the drums get louder I put more emphasis on the aim strain instead of rhythm as stated in a mod before
01:06:439 (5,6,1) - Spacing seems unnecessarily high compared to 01:07:810 (4,5) - and 01:05:410 (1,2) - , I recommand lowering it. ^
01:10:896 (1,2,3) - This rhythm is really tricky and inintuitive since it compells the player to suddenly click on white tick, then blue ones. You may want to make a transition between the 2 rhythms, that's why I recommand doing something like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376153 that (just look at rhythm, not placement). The player will notice extended sliders and click just after, therefore it will be much more readable. Intentional as well, imo this is the best way I could map these sounds. They are unique in this song and I made the previous section lead to this by building up the intensity through different rhythms and spacings
03:44:496 (1,2) - 03:49:982 (2,2) - You usually don't overmap calm sections so just extend them to red tick. I feel like sounds similar to this 03:53:239 (3) - need some emphasis
03:56:382 (1,1) - They're all finishing on the downbeat so consider reversing 03:55:010 (1) -, it makes more sense. It's really awkwardly timed so placing notes instead of sliders would lead to very random 100s and I want to avoid that in a slow part
04:20:839 (5) - NC yes
04:21:525 (1,2,3,4) - Why does the rhythm change compared to 04:20:153 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ? To add variety because that section is literally just double spam. 04:21:525 (1,2,3,4) - and 04:24:268 (1,2,3,4) - follow the same reasoning
04:55:039 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1) - It doesn't sound that different from the other streams so why is spacing inconsistent here ? different mapper so it might not match? my streams in last kiai are all spaced the same
05:01:296 (1,1) - 05:01:982 (1,2,1) - Please make the rhythm consistent since they sound the same. How does 05:01:296 (1) - and 05:01:982 (1) - sound the same?
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6th
I didn't even notice it was a collab lol
xChorse
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Topic Starter
niyuji

6th wrote:

Hey.

00:11:068 (4) - Idk if it's intended or not but its end cool look a bit better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376087. ok
00:41:410 (4) - 00:38:668 (5,6) - Why are they different when they sound the same musically ? You do alternate sliders and kicksliders + triplet consistently from 00:37:982 - to 00:53:925 - but it doesn't make much sense in such a repetitive section and makes the section unbalanced in terms of difficulty since one is much harder than the other. they're different because 00:38:668 (5,6) - i was mapping percussion and later on 00:41:410 (4) - only bell sound; ofc it might seem overmapped because the percussion 00:38:668 (5,6) - 00:44:153 (5,6) - etc. is very quiet
00:57:182 (1,2,3) - I don't really get why they are different from 00:54:439 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - (especially the reverse slider), again they sound the same. I guess you wanted to make a transition between these 00:56:839 (2,1) - but it doesn't work well since the player have to suddenly click on a red tick after an 1/1-long slider. Adding a circle at 00:58:210 - would fix that. 00:54:439 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - they repeat 4 times so it's ok to make changes at the 5th one, besides adding a circle at 00:58:210 would cause remapping 00:58:382 - and even harder for player to read because there is no slight change musically so i guess i'll keep the reverse slider how it is if change is not necessary here
01:31:468 (1,2,3,4) - They could easily be read as doubles, try something like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376222 sure okay
02:06:010 (2,1) - iirc it's unrankable. Ask a QAT/BN. i'll figure it out
02:42:953 (4,1,2,3) - Flow looks too wide between them, I recommand moving the triplet a bit to the right. well i moved a bit xd
02:47:925 (3,4,1) - This feels a bit weird to play tbh, mind moving 02:48:268 (1) - under 02:48:182 (4) - ? well not really because as it is now it would be complicated to remap this part considering 02:47:925 (3,1) - blanket + 02:48:268 (1,1) - connects
03:01:553 - 03:02:925 - (etc) Are you sure about ignoring that sound ? ok i'll add a circle there and make it stack with next slider

This is a good map but you could have done better rhythm choices imo.
thank you! :)
Natsu
illl check this tomorrow

Endless Sea

  1. 05:18:268 (1) offscreen
  2. 00:05:582 (4) - slider ticks sounds really bad, they doesn't fit the music at all, you can use a 5% volume line there.
  3. 00:08:325 (4) - same as above
  4. 00:11:068 (4) - ^
  5. 00:13:810 (4) - ^
  6. 00:16:553 (4,1) - suddenly you decide to silence the slider ticks? why you didn't that before, btw the slider-slide sound is annoying as well. You guys can just silence the slider-slide and use 5% volume lines to make the ticks less louder
  7. from here 00:16:039 (1) - to here 00:36:439 (3) - you should reduce the spacing of the 1/2s (jumps), since the song stay calm at this section, so I don't see any objective reason to have jumps there tbh.
  8. 00:49:810 (6,1) - super nazi, the stack is a bit off
  9. 00:57:182 (1,2) - this should follow the same pattern as before, since the music is basically the same, I don't see any reason to suddenly change the flow of the map like that, it feels weird and inconsistent
  10. 00:58:896 (3,4) - this doesn't looks nice, 4 looks randomly placed, also the straigh flow 00:58:896 (3,4,1) - isn't good to play, you should think more about those objects placements
  11. 01:02:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - the rhythm here is super random, like I don't see any kind of coherent pattern, you are just placing random circles and repeat sliders, you need to place them better in a more coherent way.
  12. 01:16:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this doesn't fit the music at all, listen again and you will notice that they are triplets, yes there are background secondary beats on every 1/4, but that doesn't justify to put random sliders at all, a proper rhythm would be triplets, you can use a slider in the third beat.
  13. 01:17:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - same as above, some one may agree with you, but I really don't agree with your current rhythm at all.
  14. 01:19:125 (1,2,1,2) - they all basically follow the same rhythm in the song, why they are grouped as 1-2 combos and why some are overlapped while the other ones doesn't? also I don't recomend to use 1/8 jumps at all.
  15. 01:21:868 (1,2) - using an extended slider to fit the drum, cool. But why you are ignoring it at 01:22:382 (3) - ? same here 01:24:610 (1,2,3) -
  16. 01:33:525 (5) - oh now you aren't ignoring it, where is the consistency?
  17. 01:36:096 (3,4,5,6,7) - now there is a random stream ^ ?
  18. 01:37:125 (2) - now a single slider ^?
  19. 01:31:468 (1,2,3,4) - why are you ignoring the red tick? you basically mapped that sound in all the previous part and now you suddenly ignore it to map a secondary 1/4 beats that aren't noticeable at all
  20. 01:36:610 (8) - ignoring a strong beat at the red tick to map a bluetick without support from the music
  21. 01:48:096 (2,3,4) - listen to this part again, this doesn't fit the song at all, is cool to use gimmicks, but pls try to follow the music as close as you can
  22. 01:50:839 (2,3,4) - ^ etc
  23. 01:53:410 (1,2,3) - 01:54:096 (4,5,6) - ^
  24. 02:01:296 (2) - should be a NC here and the next ones, since is a different sound and not the same as you are following with the slider
  25. 02:06:268 (1,2,1) - stacks are what bother me more about this map, check how this looks in game, is not only bad for the visuals, but also hard to read, this happen basically in all the map and you guys should care about it
  26. 02:07:553 (4,5,1) - spacing?
  27. 02:11:496 (2,1) - overlapping perfectly half of the slider isn't nice, is hard to read, a manual stack would be better
  28. 02:13:039 (4) - when using repeat sliders there are 2 things that you should take in consideration, 1 the click able beat is stronger than the repeat and tail and the 3 beats have the same pitch, your current one doesn't follow any, head and repeat are mapped to strong beats while the tail is mapped to a totally different beat, that's why sounds really bad
  29. 02:15:268 (2) - same as above, there are more btw
  30. 02:18:525 (4,5,1) - spacing


I'll stop here because I'm basically pointing the same things, rhythm needs a lot of work, you should listen again to the song and try to follow the song as closer as posible, stacks are badly done in almost all the map, turn on stacking so that would be easier for fixing them, visuals are not nice IMO, and should try to rework the map a bit, anyways I don't think the map is ready for rank yet.
xChorse

Natsu wrote:

illl check this tomorrow

Endless Sea

  1. 00:16:553 (4,1) - suddenly you decide to silence the slider ticks? why you didn't that before, btw the slider-slide sound is annoying as well. You guys can just silence the slider-slide and use 5% volume lines to make the ticks less louder can't make both barely audible, there needs to be feedback on longer sliders
  2. from here 00:16:039 (1) - to here 00:36:439 (3) - you should reduce the spacing of the 1/2s (jumps), since the song stay calm at this section, so I don't see any objective reason to have jumps there tbh. to be completely honest i don't even see these as jumps, a map of this star rating could easily have this spacing in a slow section
  3. 01:02:668 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - the rhythm here is super random, like I don't see any kind of coherent pattern, you are just placing random circles and repeat sliders, you need to place them better in a more coherent way. as already stated before 00:59:925 - buildup for the rhythm of the triples, followed by 01:02:668 - which is triples into return sliders that is buildup for aim, then the spacing keeps increasing to add even more buildup. All of this is intentional since an unusual rhythm is coming up with varied spacing
  4. 01:16:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this doesn't fit the music at all, listen again and you will notice that they are triplets, yes there are background secondary beats on every 1/4, but that doesn't justify to put random sliders at all, a proper rhythm would be triplets, you can use a slider in the third beat.
  5. 01:17:068 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - same as above, some one may agree with you, but I really don't agree with your current rhythm at all.
  6. 01:19:125 (1,2,1,2) - they all basically follow the same rhythm in the song, why they are grouped as 1-2 combos and why some are overlapped while the other ones doesn't? also I don't recomend to use 1/8 jumps at all. yeah changed things above, only kept the 1/8 sliders because there's definitely a sound to follow
  7. 01:48:096 (2,3,4) - listen to this part again, this doesn't fit the song at all, is cool to use gimmicks, but pls try to follow the music as close as you can
  8. 01:50:839 (2,3,4) - ^ etc
  9. 01:53:410 (1,2,3) - 01:54:096 (4,5,6) - ^ if i mapped all sounds it would literally just be a stream only map with no interesting gimmicks, I didn't really feel like mapping a freedom dive or a stream practice map i guess

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Zunv
Awesome map, take my star! GL!
Topic Starter
niyuji

Natsu wrote:

illl check this tomorrow

Endless Sea

  1. 05:18:268 (1) offscreen Does it make it unrankable? i don't really think that it's offscreen because you can play it normally and it touches the bottom just a little. So in my oppinion it doesn't cause a big problem when playing or visually determinating sliders path.
  2. 00:05:582 (4) - slider ticks sounds really bad, they doesn't fit the music at all, you can use a 5% volume line there. Changed to 5% so no slider ticks
  3. 00:08:325 (4) - same as above
  4. 00:11:068 (4) - ^
  5. 00:13:810 (4) - ^
  6. 00:49:810 (6,1) - super nazi, the stack is a bit off I didn't like how it was looking so I remapped this section
  7. 00:57:182 (1,2) - this should follow the same pattern as before, since the music is basically the same, I don't see any reason to suddenly change the flow of the map like that, it feels weird and inconsistent Changed so now it follows previous pattern
  8. 00:58:896 (3,4) - this doesn't looks nice, 4 looks randomly placed, also the straigh flow 00:58:896 (3,4,1) - isn't good to play, you should think more about those objects placements Reworked
  9. 01:21:868 (1,2) - using an extended slider to fit the drum, cool. But why you are ignoring it at 01:22:382 (3) - ? same here 01:24:610 (1,2,3) - I'm not ignoring anything. My first idea was to make first 01:21:868 (1,2) - like 01:22:382 (3) - but then I realized that I want to emphasize 01:22:210 (2) - as it's on strong beat so 01:22:382 (3) - tail is less important imo.
  10. 01:33:525 (5) - oh now you aren't ignoring it, where is the consistency?
  11. 01:36:096 (3,4,5,6,7) - now there is a random stream ^ ?
  12. 01:37:125 (2) - now a single slider ^?
  13. 01:31:468 (1,2,3,4) - why are you ignoring the red tick? you basically mapped that sound in all the previous part and now you suddenly ignore it to map a secondary 1/4 beats that aren't noticeable at all OK. Mapped as a triple to emphasize different sounds
  14. 01:36:610 (8) - ignoring a strong beat at the red tick to map a bluetick without support from the music

    Changed/fixed until here. I have no idea what to do with all these bad visuals. I'll probably remap that again
  15. 02:06:268 (1,2,1) - stacks are what bother me more about this map, check how this looks in game, is not only bad for the visuals, but also hard to read, this happen basically in all the map and you guys should care about it
  16. 02:07:553 (4,5,1) - spacing?
  17. 02:11:496 (2,1) - overlapping perfectly half of the slider isn't nice, is hard to read, a manual stack would be better
  18. 02:13:039 (4) - when using repeat sliders there are 2 things that you should take in consideration, 1 the click able beat is stronger than the repeat and tail and the 3 beats have the same pitch, your current one doesn't follow any, head and repeat are mapped to strong beats while the tail is mapped to a totally different beat, that's why sounds really bad
  19. 02:15:268 (2) - same as above, there are more btw
  20. 02:18:525 (4,5,1) - spacing
Strategas
discord irc with _Kise
02:06:268 (1,2,1) - šitie baisūs nes autostack išlenda
02:09:782 (2) -
daug tokių slider
kur baigias ant strong drum
kai juos followini
lame
02:10:468 (6) -
etc..
02:07:553 (4) -
tie repeat irgi
can be better
jei tiesiog sukurtum kelis slider(edited)
02:24:953 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
borings streams nes drums interesting rhythm turi
o eina vientisas
kiek matau lygiai tas pats kitoj sekcijoj
_Kise - Today at 20:37
tai ka siulai?
man remappint viska?
daryt be stacku
Strategas - Today at 20:37
manual stack


rhythm pvz tokį(edited)
vietoj repeat arrow
gali būt ir circle vietoj kick slider
_Kise - Today at 20:41
as tai issijunges sb nes cancer af
reikes jo prasyt, kad perdarytu, nes per daug jis ten visko prikiso
Strategas - Today at 20:41
tai apie sb nelabai išmanau
kalbu apie paterns
_Kise - Today at 20:41
ye
ok, padarysiu manual stackus kaip ir parodei
tenais ritma irgi pakeisiu
kas dar kliuna?
02:09:782 (2) -
daug tokių slider
kur baigias ant strong drum
kai juos followini
lame
ka tu turejai omeny?
Strategas - Today at 20:45
rhythm
followin drums
o čia ending slider ant drum
ir clickable padarai kitą sound
_Kise - Today at 20:46
nelabai suprantu
tai ten man sutrumpint slider ir uzdet circle?
02:09:782 (2,3,4) - ?
Strategas - Today at 20:47
taip
_Kise - Today at 20:47
o pats principas overlapu? jie nepazeidzia taisykliu?
Strategas - Today at 20:48
ne
nežinau ką turi žeist
_Kise - Today at 20:48
02:19:982 (1,2,1,2) -
pvz
jeigu butu ar 8
tai nesuprastu zaidejas
Strategas - Today at 20:49
nelabai
easy ganėtinai
nes slider matos
_Kise - Today at 20:49
o imanoma judint objektus be mouse?(edited)
su mygtukais kaip nors
nes tuos smulkius stackus sunku daryt
nes autosnappina
Strategas - Today at 20:49
tik tokie va
02:22:468 (2,1) -
gal galėtų būt labiau clear
ctrl + arrow key
po pixel judina
_Kise - Today at 20:50
tu dievas
as nezinojau, kad taip galima judint
Strategas - Today at 20:50
lol
_Kise - Today at 20:50
omg...
Strategas - Today at 20:51
nu jo padeda :smile:
_Kise - Today at 20:51
xd dar ir kaip
02:22:468 (2,1,2,1) -
o kas su sitais blogai?
man jie taip pat kaip ir visi kiti
jeigu padaryciau grazius stackus tai gal ir sueitu?
Strategas - Today at 20:53
slider path
uždengia
atrodo kad trumpesnis slider
nes directly overlappina
_Kise - Today at 20:53
kaip sia problema issprest?
uztektu patraukt ta sekanti
Strategas - Today at 20:53
čia kaip nori
daug būdų
aš tai tiesiog rotate 15 degree
daryčiau
_Kise - Today at 21:03
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7730930

nelabai baisiai atrodo? xd
Strategas - Today at 21:16
ok yra
_Kise - Today at 21:25
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7731082

toks variantas?
veliau https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7731141

Strategas - Today at 21:36
aš gi tau kaip pavyzdį rodžiau
nepamiršk apie
02:10:468 (6) -
tas pats issue
_Kise - Today at 21:37
dabar as nesuprantu
tu pagal sena pattern?
Strategas - Today at 21:37
pagal sena
7 note pagal tavo
_Kise - Today at 21:38
ai tai ta irgi suptrumpint?
Strategas - Today at 21:38
taip
_Kise - Today at 21:38
ir uztektu padet 1 circle pries 8ta?(edited)
Strategas - Today at 21:39
yeah
_Kise - Today at 21:39
fml
kms
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7731228

Strategas - Today at 21:41
:smile:
nice overlap
_Kise - Today at 21:41
pz
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7731277

o jeigu taip pastackint
labai cancer butu?
nes zaidziant tai nera taip blogai, tik editoriuje confusing af atrodo
Strategas - Today at 21:48
atrodo normal
_Kise - Today at 22:02
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7731403

manau, kad toks ritmas geras
Strategas - Today at 22:04
yeah gali ir toks būt
Natsu
the offscreen object is unrankable, just move it a few grids :o
Topic Starter
niyuji
Applied mods from Natsu and Strategas.
Remapped some sections
00:37:982 -
02:05:753 -
03:00:610 -
05:15:010 -

Still trying to solve problems in storyboard
(updated without sb)
Zunv
Hey there,

I noticed two little things while playing

Endless Sea
  1. 00:51:525 (3) - This one felt weird to play (movement). I suggest you to place this one here for example https://puu.sh/vep2g/1604b29910.png (x:0 | y:193) If you do this also consider moving 00:51:353 (2) - closer to the slider so 00:51:353 (2,3) - have the same distance to the slider. (just for the sake of makeing it look nicer ;D )
  2. 05:35:925 (1,2,3,4) - Also this didn't flow to well. ctrl + h and then stack (1) with the end of 05:35:411 (6) - again. https://puu.sh/vepKA/22f65bb737.png (you may also move 05:36:953 (1) - if you apply this
Anyway, great map besides this!
And sorry i couldn't find more :'D (Im still a noob in all the mapping and modding and stuff. Still hope it helped you)

Good Luck!!
Topic Starter
niyuji

Zunv wrote:

Hey there,

I noticed two little things while playing

Endless Sea
  1. 00:51:525 (3) - This one felt weird to play (movement). I suggest you to place this one here for example https://puu.sh/vep2g/1604b29910.png (x:0 | y:193) If you do this also consider moving 00:51:353 (2) - closer to the slider so 00:51:353 (2,3) - have the same distance to the slider. (just for the sake of makeing it look nicer ;D ) I like the current way I mapped these jumps because they actually create this good flow feeling when playing 00:51:525 (3,1) - but if I choose your proposition, it would require to change 00:51:696 (1) - a little so I rather keep it how it is
  2. 05:35:925 (1,2,3,4) - Also this didn't flow to well. ctrl + h and then stack (1) with the end of 05:35:411 (6) - again. https://puu.sh/vepKA/22f65bb737.png (you may also move 05:36:953 (1) - if you apply this I like your idea. Applied.


Anyway, great map besides this!
And sorry i couldn't find more :'D (Im still a noob in all the mapping and modding and stuff. Still hope it helped you)

Good Luck!!
Thanks for modding!
AncuL
01:44:153 - tbh i'd like this part to empashize on the piano more
xChorse

AncuL wrote:

01:44:153 - tbh i'd like this part to empashize on the piano more

emphasizing it even a little bit more would just make that part into an only stream section which is why I avoided mapping the piano sounds there, hope you understand
CucumberCuc
Hi :3

01:21:525 (1,1) maybe stream to slider?
02:38:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) I think it may slightly confuse players, but you can leave
02:42:268 NC?
02:42:953 ^
02:44:153 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) I think it may slightly confuse players, but you can leave
04:04:039 to 04:07:125 - (green TP) don't know why you put them there, and sounds not heard from them

Nice map ^o^
LimePixel
Hi :)
NM request from queue. Hope it helps
  1. 00:21:010 (2,3) - Unstack and space these 2 out. While playing it feels more like 00:20:068 (2,3).
  2. Minor but, 03:45:010 (2,3,3,3) - these should be moved 1/8th of a beat to the left. The sound starts earlier than the actual hitcircles
  3. 05:06:610 (2) - Ctrl + G

Sorry for the short mod, I couldn't find anything else out of place. Even the above notes are already nitpicking i guess.
Ignore this mod if it's unhelpful. Good luck!


Also great map so far! Loved playing it ^.^
Topic Starter
niyuji

CucumberCuc wrote:

Hi :3

01:21:525 (1,1) maybe stream to slider? ney
02:38:668 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) I think it may slightly confuse players, but you can leave i'll leave
02:42:268 NC? hm ok
02:42:953 ^
02:44:153 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) I think it may slightly confuse players, but you can leave
04:04:039 to 04:07:125 - (green TP) don't know why you put them there, and sounds not heard from them it's for the slider, i depends on whether your skin has spinning sound or not

Nice map ^o^
thanks
[Nemesis]
hi M4M again

00:39:010 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8075613 you might want to fix the storyboard there buddy, same applies to 00:44:496 (1) - 00:47:239 (1) - 00:49:982 (1) - 00:52:725 (1) - and in many different places, maybe remake it once you make sure it's perfect?

01:14:668 (7) - stack it with 01:15:010 (1) -

01:38:668 (5,1) - those two streams are connected, but those 01:40:039 (5,1) - aren't, I'd personally make it a little more consistent

04:04:039 - that's a lot of unused inherited points, are you sure it's finished?

04:09:182 - I fucking love this.

05:33:010 (3,4) - blanket is one pixel off

That's all I can really think of, this map is absolutely amazing (you might tell that I'm netpicking but the perfection of this map is the reason for it, I didn't want the mod to be empty)


best of luck from me
Deramok
for your queue

  1. 00:59:582 (4,5,6,7) - 04:28:382 (1,2) - just a suggestion for an alternative, since these 1/4 are different from teh previous ones as they are ver chopped and distinct, i'd map them to stand out a bit more, like visually differ. and example would be a low spacing stack like http://puu.sh/vOBYZ/cfd52208bf.jpg (maybe with spaced off end) but there are many other ways to make it stand out.
  2. 01:07:468 (3) - on 01:06:439 (5,6) - these the additional sounds on 5 justify having this being different (wouldn't be an issue if they weren't there either i guess), but that lead to 01:07:468 (3) - seeming misplaced, as it has those sounds as well. using singles on it might work a littl better. whether the following notes take a slider instead or are kept as singles works fine either way though.
  3. 01:19:125 (1,2,1,2) - it works fine with the simplifications as it is, but i'd find it cooler if you also captured the other rhythm going on here. that one http://puu.sh/vOCfA/ee484c9d9a.jpg
  4. 01:36:953 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - just as an idea to introduce the rhythm, to lead the player onto listening to this rhythm instead of the usual, you could start mapping on that instrument with sliders 01:35:582 (1,2,3,4) - here already.
  5. 01:39:353 (5,6) - sliders should be on 01:39:181 (3,5) - because of both, the foreground and background pairs of two sounds, there's nothing special on 6
  6. 02:06:268 (1) - imo this one doesn't need to be slowed down, it packs the same impact if not more as the two previous sliders and should just be double as long as them, works nicer wisually too imo. also didn't slow down these 02:07:296 (3) - 02:07:296 (3,3) - which are basically the same
  7. 02:09:953 (3,4) - 02:15:439 (3,4) - 02:20:925 (3,4) - would make these into a slider because the first one is on a cymbal and making it part of the stack kills the distinction. works the other way around too, but it would be a bit too similar to 02:10:639 (8,9) - i guess, which is a different set
  8. 02:27:010 (4,6) - 05:36:611 (6) - are quite clearly not the same. would either recommend to make the first one 2/3 long or pushing the second one 1/3 back (and maybe make it longer or replace it with two notes) to make both of those heavy souns clickable
  9. 02:41:582 (2,6,10) - with these placing the snares on slider ends in order to prioritize the electro sounds, it's odd to then suddenly have emphasising the snares over the elecro sounds, even skipping one. a fix would be a rhyrhm like 1/5 slier on 14, note on 15, 1/4 slider on the red tick during 15. with fitting slider speeds and shapes ofc, so probably faster than norm on the first one and slower on the second
  10. 02:46:896 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - placing sliders on the drum beats, alright. the notes between them, not so much. only 02:47:153 (2,2) - are actually in the song, the rest of the sounds of the same nature are on slider ends, so it's really weird to play if you want to follow the rhythm instead of just going by metronome, which isn't something you've made the player do previously either with one exception of simplification.
  11. 02:56:325 (7,4) - it's fine as it is, but as an idea leaving those out would bring out the kick doubles way more, depending on if you concider that more interestong /important than following the constant 1/2 electro sound, it might be an option
  12. 02:58:553 (2) - as an idea this might be worth turning into a 1/4 slider just to avoid confusion. it doesn't really change the movement or takes away of the distinction, preference
  13. 04:09:439 (2,3) - it's confusing due to the mix of the electro and kick mapping, 2 is mapped on a synth and 3 ona kick. the synth on the first reverse of 3 is simply skipped, makes it hard to follow a melody, if you skip some of it's parts. i'd recommend sticking to one instrument here or using two notes, though that might increase the density above what you want, so i'd personally go with the synth since it's more interesting thana constant beat. incidents like these occur a few more times during this section
  14. 04:18:439 (5,6,1,2) - confusing. you map the 1/4 with the slider and then map a gap between the circles which skips a note f the very same beat. i know you're switching to drums here, but concidering from 04:19:468 (6) - on you use the synth again already it's probably better to just stick to it for that half meassure too, or ofc mix them in a smart way as you did afterwards
  15. 04:31:125 (1) - honestly not a fan of this kiai since you just prioritize constant drum beats over the song specific unique electro sounds and even kick pattern like from 04:44:839 (1) - , they get completely overshadowed with skips and emphasis. oh well, not inherently wrong, but imo a shame, entirely subjective.
  16. on a little less subjective note, i can't really tell what induces 1/4 timings to be used or not used. like what's the backing of 04:31:810 (1,2,3) - or with what logic are you using the electro 1/4. you skip many of them and whenever you want you just put some 1/4 stuff on them, most of the time blending together with drum kicks in a single curve with no distinction. sometimes they are used with one example being 04:39:095 (4,5,6) - , sometimes not with one example being 04:40:039 (1,2,3) - plenty to be found of both. you handle it better in the first bit of the second kiai half but then revert again, which in of itself also eludes me. maybe i'm just missing something big, so yeah, i really am not able to mod the kiai part in any detail as half the concepts escape my understanding, sorry about that.
a lot is nitpicking and the movement aspects i can't really find aynthing off with outside the last kiai be it because it's good as is or because i'm bad with modding movement. so good luck bringing this forward, should be ona good way.
Topic Starter
niyuji

[Nemesis] wrote:

hi M4M again

00:39:010 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8075613 you might want to fix the storyboard there buddy, same applies to 00:44:496 (1) - 00:47:239 (1) - 00:49:982 (1) - 00:52:725 (1) - and in many different places, maybe remake it once you make sure it's perfect? rip storyboard :/ redownload the map pls

01:14:668 (7) - stack it with 01:15:010 (1) -

01:38:668 (5,1) - those two streams are connected, but those 01:40:039 (5,1) - aren't, I'd personally make it a little more consistent you see i have two pairs here: one is with two streams connected and the second is that both streams start kind of symmetrically 01:39:696 (1) - 01:40:382 (1) -

04:04:039 - that's a lot of unused inherited points, are you sure it's finished? accidentally removed the spinner xd thanks

04:09:182 - I fucking love this. thanks, i kind of felt like this section needs some rework

05:33:010 (3,4) - blanket is one pixel off lol ok

That's all I can really think of, this map is absolutely amazing (you might tell that I'm netpicking but the perfection of this map is the reason for it, I didn't want the mod to be empty)


best of luck from me
thanks, i'll mod back for you soon
Topic Starter
niyuji

Deramok wrote:

for your queue

  1. 00:59:582 (4,5,6,7) - 04:28:382 (1,2) - just a suggestion for an alternative, since these 1/4 are different from teh previous ones as they are ver chopped and distinct, i'd map them to stand out a bit more, like visually differ. and example would be a low spacing stack like http://puu.sh/vOBYZ/cfd52208bf.jpg (maybe with spaced off end) but there are many other ways to make it stand out. i don't think it's necessary because i already made a 00:59:582 (4) - ds jump difference to emphasize that part. Alho your suggestion would be kind of hard and unconfortable to play so yeah.. have to nay
  2. 01:07:468 (3) - on 01:06:439 (5,6) - these the additional sounds on 5 justify having this being different (wouldn't be an issue if they weren't there either i guess), but that lead to 01:07:468 (3) - seeming misplaced, as it has those sounds as well. using singles on it might work a littl better. whether the following notes take a slider instead or are kept as singles works fine either way though.
  3. 01:19:125 (1,2,1,2) - it works fine with the simplifications as it is, but i'd find it cooler if you also captured the other rhythm going on here. that one http://puu.sh/vOCfA/ee484c9d9a.jpg
  4. 01:36:953 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - just as an idea to introduce the rhythm, to lead the player onto listening to this rhythm instead of the usual, you could start mapping on that instrument with sliders 01:35:582 (1,2,3,4) - here already. if start differing rhythm patterns at 01:35:582 - can really start confusing players because starting too early isn't right decision, heretofore you can't really tell whether rhythm is changing or not so definitely keeping right timing is the key because 01:36:953 - you can clearly hear the difference
  5. 01:39:353 (5,6) - sliders should be on 01:39:181 (3,5) - because of both, the foreground and background pairs of two sounds, there's nothing special on 6 atm ignoring this because i realized that the whole part 01:38:325 - to 01:41:068 - is mapped wrong. so i'll try to tweak it a little with rhythm and aesthetics
  6. 02:06:268 (1) - imo this one doesn't need to be slowed down, it packs the same impact if not more as the two previous sliders and should just be double as long as them, works nicer wisually too imo. also didn't slow down these 02:07:296 (3) - 02:07:296 (3,3) - which are basically the same well here you see where comes the spacing issues; visual spacing 02:06:010 (2,1) - is necessary so i increased sv a little and where you say that 02:07:296 (3) - are the same it's actually not because listen to 02:06:268 (1) - here you can hear one beat which i actually equal to two beats 02:07:296 (3,4) - because at first, you can't hear any more kicks coming out but on the other hand, 02:07:296 (3,4) - clearly two kicks so that's why no sv change and mapped differently
  7. 02:09:953 (3,4) - 02:15:439 (3,4) - 02:20:925 (3,4) - would make these into a slider because the first one is on a cymbal and making it part of the stack kills the distinction. works the other way around too, but it would be a bit too similar to 02:10:639 (8,9) - i guess, which is a different set hmm well not really because you see 02:10:038 (4,5) - strong sounds coming out and it's a bad decision to make a slider 02:09:953 (3) - which would cover up the strong sound 02:10:038 (4) -
  8. 02:27:010 (4,6) - 05:36:611 (6) - are quite clearly not the same. would either recommend to make the first one 2/3 long or pushing the second one 1/3 back (and maybe make it longer or replace it with two notes) to make both of those heavy souns clickable hmmm? 2/3 long? how they're not the same
  9. 02:41:582 (2,6,10) - with these placing the snares on slider ends in order to prioritize the electro sounds, it's odd to then suddenly have emphasising the snares over the elecro sounds, even skipping one. a fix would be a rhyrhm like 1/5 slier on 14, note on 15, 1/4 slider on the red tick during 15. with fitting slider speeds and shapes ofc, so probably faster than norm on the first one and slower on the second hmm
  10. 02:46:896 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - placing sliders on the drum beats, alright. the notes between them, not so much. only 02:47:153 (2,2) - are actually in the song, the rest of the sounds of the same nature are on slider ends, so it's really weird to play if you want to follow the rhythm instead of just going by metronome, which isn't something you've made the player do previously either with one exception of simplification. it's not going by metronome, actually, there are sounds but they're very quiet so that creates an illusion that it's being mapped wrong; e.g 02:47:153 (2) - very easy to distinguish but suddenly the following 02:47:496 (4) - actually changes the pitch by inconspicuous amount. however exception could be 02:47:839 (2) - because there isn't really a change, just a pitch shift but i think i'll keep it simple here
  11. 02:56:325 (7,4) - it's fine as it is, but as an idea leaving those out would bring out the kick doubles way more, depending on if you concider that more interestong /important than following the constant 1/2 electro sound, it might be an option
  12. 02:58:553 (2) - as an idea this might be worth turning into a 1/4 slider just to avoid confusion. it doesn't really change the movement or takes away of the distinction, preference
  13. 04:09:439 (2,3) - it's confusing due to the mix of the electro and kick mapping, 2 is mapped on a synth and 3 ona kick. the synth on the first reverse of 3 is simply skipped, makes it hard to follow a melody, if you skip some of it's parts. i'd recommend sticking to one instrument here or using two notes, though that might increase the density above what you want, so i'd personally go with the synth since it's more interesting thana constant beat. incidents like these occur a few more times during this section yeah that's me trying to map multiple instruments at the same time lol. i think for now i'll stick with the current version of this rhythm choice. it seems funky to me trying to jump between several instruments. we'll see what bn tell us in the future. if it'll turn out to be very inconsistent at some point and maybe controversial, i'll try out your suggestion
  14. 04:18:439 (5,6,1,2) - confusing. you map the 1/4 with the slider and then map a gap between the circles which skips a note f the very same beat. i know you're switching to drums here, but concidering from 04:19:468 (6) - on you use the synth again already it's probably better to just stick to it for that half meassure too, or ofc mix them in a smart way as you did afterwards i dk i'll swap 04:18:782 - with a slider atm
  15. 04:31:125 (1) - honestly not a fan of this kiai since you just prioritize constant drum beats over the song specific unique electro sounds and even kick pattern like from 04:44:839 (1) - , they get completely overshadowed with skips and emphasis. oh well, not inherently wrong, but imo a shame, entirely subjective. hmm you're kind of right, however, it'll require to remap the whole section so atm i'll keep how it is
  16. on a little less subjective note, i can't really tell what induces 1/4 timings to be used or not used. like what's the backing of 04:31:810 (1,2,3) - or with what logic are you using the electro 1/4. you skip many of them and whenever you want you just put some 1/4 stuff on them, most of the time blending together with drum kicks in a single curve with no distinction. sometimes they are used with one example being 04:39:095 (4,5,6) - , sometimes not with one example being 04:40:039 (1,2,3) - plenty to be found of both. you handle it better in the first bit of the second kiai half but then revert again, which in of itself also eludes me. maybe i'm just missing something big, so yeah, i really am not able to mod the kiai part in any detail as half the concepts escape my understanding, sorry about that.
a lot is nitpicking and the movement aspects i can't really find aynthing off with outside the last kiai be it because it's good as is or because i'm bad with modding movement. so good luck bringing this forward, should be ona good way.
thanks for modding. i'll mod back soon :)
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