blahpy wrote:

I understand that it's probably not final or complete but I'd like to offer a few thoughts about the Memory skill. I think it's currently looking too much at the spacing and not enough at the bpm/circle size/combo length/actual difficulty of maps.

blahpy wrote:

edit: I'm fairly sure adding hidden to flashlight currently doesn't make a difference either, correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like that should add more points too because it's a lot harder when the two are combined

Namii wrote:

Also doesn't take into account repeating patterns, there's plenty of memory scores I have that are hugely sight-readable mostly due to speed and repeating patterns..

[Toy] wrote:

Yo Kert, what's this new Reaction skill and how do you plan on implementing it?

Sightreading seems like something that's easily gameable and difficult to measure.

Xyrus wrote:

Momiji wrote:

but seriously, can we get some (more) accurate information on the requirements of titles? i-i really want a new title

This is just guesswork but as far as I can tell...

You start by determining your highest stat, e.g. Accuracy at 614, then calculate ~80% of that == 491.2 and your title is determined by whichever stats are at 491.2 or higher, e.g. Accuracy, Stamina and Tenacity, giving you fearless.

So since your accuracy increased to 625, the requirement changed to 500,. Since your Agility went from 485 (below the threashold) to 515 (above it), you went from Fearless to Versatile.

[Toy] wrote:

Unless it takes your highest from all your stats which is weird because it seems right now memory and precision give titles separately to the other four.

RS1 wrote:

based on my osu!skills I think I found the reason I have RSI

[Toy] wrote:

I think it's about 90% because lncognito has "Swift" and his next highest stat is 89.9% of his agility.

Unless it takes your highest from all your stats which is weird because it seems right now memory and precision give titles separately to the other four.

"stats"

Xyrus wrote:

Hopefully, abraker-sempai will notice this comment and confirm/deny how right/wrong I am.

Kert wrote:

Nice research
That's close but it goes like this:

The title is dominating if either of these is true
1. (highest - skill) < (highest / 5)
2. skill > avg * 1.3

5 and 1.3 are magic numbers, yes

Endaris wrote:

Badges don't reflect your skills when the progression between the skills is not balanced. If some skills can receive a lot of points without actual skill backing it up the system falls apart.

Momiji wrote:

agility is needlessly easy to acquire

snyviper wrote:

Does that blue circle mean I have a high reaction skill value?

Microsoft Vista wrote:

omg you should make it so that if i manually add and have the map in my recent plays it adds that instead of the real score
ok you have 24 hours to implement it before reunion disappears forever

Kert wrote:

snyviper wrote:

Does that blue circle mean I have a high reaction skill value?

It was a bug. Fixed

-Jukke- wrote:

will this "beta tester" badge be permanent?

ShadyAngel wrote:

Btw what is manual score submitting? doesn't it calculate all of your scores or something?
can you tell which ones are calculated?

Kert wrote:

Woo. Update!


Combo influence fixed! Scores with a ton of sliderbreaks should be gone from tops now.

Endaris wrote:

I also think accuracy is a better indicator of consistency for tenacity/stamina but that's not going to happen as long as the devs think that acc needs an own rating.

mithew wrote:

Endaris wrote:

I also think accuracy is a better indicator of consistency for tenacity/stamina but that's not going to happen as long as the devs think that acc needs an own rating.

this exactly. high acc shows that you actually have the stamina to stream it rather than mash your keyboard lol

SunglassesEmoji wrote:

Nice update, it's cool to see this project progress, but there's something reaaaally wrong with this map:



It's only AR9 HRDT...

Khelly wrote:

If you want to needlessly combine skills into one category instead of ckeanly separating them...

Stamina is what it says - stamina. Accuracy is not a factor in how long or fast you can maintain a stream speed without missing which is what it is measuring. Tenacity is the skill to look at, not stamina. Tenacity is too hughly affected byblow acc high speed so I'd suggest making a huge exponential point falloff at 95% to not nerf speed since higher and longer streams at high acc are harder. Acc still isn't stamina.

If you want to nevessitate accuracy for all the other skills then youre not independantly measuring anyone's skill. Acc would always be in the background and people with less acc are always going to do worse even uf theyre more skilled in that category.

Khelly wrote:

Sliderbreaks aren't a lapse in stamina. Misses are

Kert wrote:

So you're of course punished heavily for a combo reset in the middle of the map and in similar situations

Frostwich wrote:

most of my scores were erased???
wtf

silmarilen wrote:

Also another thing is comparing a DT score with an HR score. An AR6 +DTHR is worth about the same as an AR7 with only HR, but because of the way DT and HR work, the AR7+HR has fewer notes on the screen at one time, so it should be considered quite a bit harder for reaction.

Xyrus wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

Also another thing is comparing a DT score with an HR score. An AR6 +DTHR is worth about the same as an AR7 with only HR, but because of the way DT and HR work, the AR7+HR has fewer notes on the screen at one time, so it should be considered quite a bit harder for reaction.

If there are less notes on the screen, it is easier to react to each individual note.

Khelly wrote:

Kert wrote:

So you're of course punished heavily for a combo reset in the middle of the map and in similar situations

This isn't the pp system - there is absolutely no good reason to make determining skills needlessly grindy by necessitating having an fc.

Khelly wrote:

This isn't the pp system - there is absolutely no good reason to make determining skills needlessly grindy by necessitating having an fc.

Ojamajo de banban is a 270 bpm hard longstream map. I have 0 miss. It used to be 790 and is now 492. Play this map DT for me kert and tell me that it requires the same amount of skill to fc those streams as other 500 stamina maps. I mean, I wouldn't completely disagree with say ~670 points instead of the full 790, but being as low as 492 is absurd if you want to actually measure skill.

In the stamina case, not missing on the longstreams.

Raixor wrote:

is there a picture for what all the titles mean? including the new ones?

snyviper wrote:

Alright... Since everyone is posting their thoughts about misses and sliderbreaks, I'll say mine:

Shortcut "A": we should assume the worse happened, because it's not possible to determine where or why it happened, exactly.

Stamina: Stamina is not streaming, but a sliderbreak doesn't mean you lost stamina, it means you missed the beggining of the slider, but you still clicked. Misses should affect stamina, because "A". Accuracy shouldn't affect it, because the number of clicks in the end can be the same for low and high accuracy, if there are no misses.
Tenacity: Since it measures streaming, a sliderbreak shouldn't affect it at all, but misses should, because "A". I also think low accuracy should matter as much as misses here, because "A".
Agility: Both Sliderbreaks and Misses should affect agility, because any miss or sliderbreak is a lapse on aim. Accuracy shouldn't affect it.
Accuracy: uhhh accuracy should affect it, obviously. Sliderbreaks shouldn't affect it, since timing on sliders isn't calculated currently, but misses should, because "A".
Precision: Both sliderbreaks and misses should affect it, same reason of agility. Not sure if accuracy should affect it or not, so no opinions on it.

TheLukay wrote:

This looks even more f_ed up than before



I want back my berserk qwq