22:53 grumd: 00:15:413 (5) -
22:53 grumd: this one should either be faaar away or just stacked under the slider end
22:53 grumd: it's right now somewhere in the middle of those two and it feels weird
22:53 grumd: i'd suggest to stack
http://i.imgur.com/m8M4wfL.png22:54 grumd: 00:21:027 (4) - same
22:54 Exote: hm
22:54 Exote: i wanted to space them out a bit tbh
22:54 Exote: cuz there's like a break in the vocals
22:54 grumd: break
22:54 grumd: listen
22:54 grumd: break
22:54 grumd: break = stop
22:54 Exote: i didnt mean
22:54 Exote: exactly a break
22:54 Exote: but
22:54 Exote: uh cant describe
22:55 grumd: then place it like at 2.0x
22:55 grumd: right now it's meh
22:55 grumd: not too far and not too close
22:55 grumd: i mean
22:55 grumd: let me show you
22:55 Exote: yea
22:55 Exote: i get it
22:55 Exote: dw
22:55 Exote: well
22:55 Exote: i;d rather stack
22:55 Exote: the such huge spacing in the beginning
22:56 Exote: doesnt seem likeable at all
22:56 grumd: okay then next suggestion
22:56 grumd: 00:22:606 - to 00:31:027 - hitsounds
22:56 Exote: w8w8
22:56 Exote: ye>
22:56 grumd: these are the only N hitsounds
22:56 grumd: and they are waaaay too loud
22:57 Exote: oh
22:57 Exote: im using the normal whistles
22:57 grumd: this part is not even any louder in the music than previous part
22:57 grumd: it's just the same
22:57 Exote: yea i was confused bout the samplesets yesterday
22:57 grumd: imo it should be S
22:57 Exote: well then
22:57 grumd: let me try to change it to S
22:57 Exote: ill make it S with my current whistles
22:58 grumd: yeah it sounds nice
22:58 Exote: cool
22:58 grumd: 00:22:606 - and add a whistle/finish here
22:58 Exote: ughh
22:58 Exote: i like it smoother as it is now
22:59 grumd: well the vocal was loud as shit there but as you want
22:59 grumd: brb 5 mins
22:59 Exote: sure
22:59 grumd: lol i'm back
23:00 grumd: so basically
23:00 Exote: damn
23:00 grumd: what i got mad at
23:00 grumd: 00:51:027 (3,4) - 1.0x spacings
23:00 grumd: 00:53:658 (2,3,2) - this spacing fits the map pace a lot better
23:01 Exote: wait
23:01 Exote: bout the first one
23:01 Exote: would be good if i swap 2/3 right
23:01 grumd: wait
23:01 grumd: 01:04:185 (7,8) - and then it's 0.87x after you make the sliders faster
23:01 grumd: so here's what your problem
23:01 grumd: you think and to make a map feel faster you have to make SV higher
23:01 grumd: wrong
23:02 grumd: you have to make spacing bigger
23:02 grumd: right now it feels very weird to play it
23:02 grumd: because sliders are faster than the mapping itself
23:02 grumd: you keep small spacing and place big sliders
23:02 Exote: hm
23:02 grumd: 01:06:465 (2,3) - this 0.8x spacing is fucking tiny
23:02 grumd: it feels almost like an antijump
23:02 grumd: and it's everywhere
23:03 Exote: its all bout the blankets
23:03 grumd: i know
23:03 Exote: well
23:03 grumd: but you know you can do them without making the spacing so low
23:03 Exote: yea
23:03 grumd: remaking all the spacings would be pain in the ass i know
23:03 Exote: thats possible ofc
23:03 grumd: so what i suggest is
23:03 grumd: change the SV
23:03 Exote: how much do u suggest
23:04 Exote: cuz i want a bigger emphasis in the kiai than in the before section
23:04 Exote: like
23:04 Exote: yea 1,10 or sth
23:04 grumd: not the best idea
23:04 grumd: since the kiai music is just the same as before the kiai lol
23:04 grumd: but still
23:05 grumd: i'd maybe make the SV 1.6
23:05 grumd: maybe
23:06 grumd: and keep everything else the same
23:06 grumd: just fix the slider lengths
23:06 Exote: the
23:06 Exote: overall SV?
23:06 grumd: yeah
23:06 Exote: oh
23:06 grumd: yeah i thought that i should change timing sv first
23:06 Exote: 1,6 is way too low, i;d try 1,7 tbh
23:06 grumd: but then tried overall sv and it was nice
23:06 grumd: try it
23:06 Exote: sure
23:06 grumd: 1.9 is way too high for your spacing
23:06 grumd: either you lower the SV or you fix every single blanket pattern
23:07 grumd: so it's not 0.8x spacing anymore
23:07 grumd: with 1.6 SV the blankets in kiai are 1.0x spacing
23:07 Exote: 1,7 SV looks good
23:08 grumd: kiai was 1.2x?
23:08 grumd: maybe try it as 1.1x and see how it goes
23:08 Exote: y
23:08 Exote: even smaller xD
23:08 Exote: well
23:08 Exote: ill give it a try
23:08 grumd: and next time remember that the best way to make a map faster is to make patterns more spaced
23:08 grumd: slider speed looks dumb imo
23:09 Exote: sure ill remember it
23:09 grumd: because you basically still do the same slow moves with your mouse while clicking circles
23:09 grumd: but when you see a slider, the sliderball runs like crazy
23:09 Exote: the thing is that i hate big ass jumps or very spaced ones
23:09 Exote: yea thats about right tbh
23:09 grumd: you understand that not a single player moves his mouse over the whole slider?
23:09 Exote: y ofc
23:09 grumd: like, nobody is moving their mouse as fast as the slider goes
23:09 grumd: so the slider speed only makes it look strange
23:09 grumd: and doesn't make it feel like a fast map
23:10 grumd: feeling is about moving your arms
23:10 grumd: so yeah i think you got it
23:10 Exote: ofc i did
23:10 Exote: sth about
23:10 Exote: there are same patterns in the hard/insane
23:10 Exote: the first stacked circles i did
23:10 Exote: i stacked em too
23:10 *grumd is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/783428 Sigma ft Paloma Faith - Changing [Insane]]
23:11 grumd: 00:14:535 (3,4,5) - this is bad. straight line, 3-4 is fast, 4-5 is slow. that's a very abrupt movement, feels weird
23:11 grumd: you should move 5 somewhere so the line isn't straight
23:11 Exote: hmmm
23:11 Exote: downwards?
23:12 grumd: idk wherever
23:12 grumd: 00:20:500 (3) - distance between 2-3 and 3-4 are equal, but the rhythm is totally different. that's a bad spacing. you should move 4 far apart or stack as you did in the previous diff
23:13 Exote: wait wait
23:13 Exote: thats
23:13 Exote: the stacking like in the freedom
23:13 Exote: should i space it here perhaps
23:13 Exote: OH
23:13 Exote: yea
23:13 Exote: its stacked btw
23:13 Exote: xD
23:13 Exote: not updated
23:13 Exote: i stacked those 2 here already dw
23:14 grumd: 00:47:518 (7,8,9,10,1) - this flow is weird. the stream suggests that you should move up after the stream ends, but the slider moves down.
http://i.imgur.com/5SPMvYE.png i moved slider end up and next slider up as well
23:14 Exote: yea
23:14 Exote: this thing here
23:14 grumd: now this thing 00:48:220 (2,3,4) - makes a triangle with next objects
http://i.imgur.com/KnvTJfh.png23:14 Exote: drained out my energy
23:15 grumd: 00:58:746 (6,7) - i hate these patterns
23:15 grumd: :c
23:15 Exote: meeh
23:15 grumd: imo 1/4 sliders should never be places as streams
23:15 Exote: had to make it easier
23:15 grumd: because they are played as 1/2
23:15 grumd: just 1/2 clicks
23:15 grumd: so they should be placed as 1/2
23:15 Exote: yea ik
23:15 Exote: well
23:15 Exote: the other option is repeated slider
23:16 Exote: i mean streams would increase the SR like a rocket launcher
23:16 grumd:
http://i.imgur.com/nDhsEQ4.png http://i.imgur.com/OyqjBrY.png23:16 Exote: oh
23:16 Exote: like
23:16 grumd: i mean that they just shouldn't be overlapped
23:16 Exote: 01:18:395 (6,7,1) -
23:16 grumd: kinda yeah
23:16 grumd: or a repeating slider
23:16 grumd: repeating slider is cool
23:17 Exote: ye
23:17 grumd: 01:01:202 (3,4,5,1) - this is fucking HARD
23:17 grumd: really, hard pattern
23:17 Exote: weeeell
23:17 Exote: thats an insane after all xd
23:17 grumd: better replace the notes with a slider
23:17 Exote: but
23:17 Exote: more like a light insane
23:17 grumd: yeah
23:17 Exote: hm
23:17 Exote: i could
23:17 Exote: make a
23:17 Exote: little 5 note stream here tbh
23:18 grumd: 01:04:360 (6,7,1) - actually patterns like this aren't easy. it's hard to play it because it plays like a antijump. i sometimes fail at this
23:18 Exote: will be inconsistent with the rest but yea
23:18 grumd: yeah little stream would be good tehre
23:18 grumd: that's a harder part
23:18 Exote: y
23:18 grumd: 01:12:430 (3,4,5,1) - and just make it consistent with others
23:18 Exote: about 6,7,1
23:18 Exote: blanket stf xD
23:18 Exote: buuuuut
23:18 grumd: 01:13:483 (2,3,4,5) - move (2) higher so it's not so close to (5)
23:18 grumd: you can always keep a blanket
23:18 Exote: wait wait cant keep up
23:18 grumd: or make a pattern even better
23:19 grumd: just fix previous things
23:19 grumd: and then come to new
23:19 grumd: i won't wait lol
23:19 Exote: oh kay
23:20 grumd: i like your Hard
23:20 Exote: oh thanks
23:20 Exote: the first 3 diffs were easiest to make lolol
23:20 grumd: they're neat
23:20 Exote: yea im not that worried bout them than i am about the insane tbh
23:20 Exote: anyway
23:20 grumd: well i'll not look at normal and easy
23:20 Exote: thanks for the moddd
23:20 grumd: sure they're okay
23:21 Exote: savelog plox