Yes, role and alignment will be revealed on death. This is a newbie game, far out.

If Rule 1 actually did apply, half of the players here would be modkilled. However, I'm sorta nice.

Saki, get here and post you. I will replace you with Sephibro if I have to.

@irreversable, what do you think of rEdo and Sakura? Do you find either of them scummy? If you had to choose which one is MORE scummy out of the two, which would you choose and why?

CalignoBot wrote:

One thing in particular stood out while I was rereading rEdo.

Quotes wrote:

@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?

rEdo wrote:

there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?

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That question reeks. Really badly.

Quotes wrote:

Why is the question scummy? It's essentially the same question as "what are your thoughts on Sakura" with added pressure.

Your original question has no basis onto it. It's essentially a loaded question.

For a bonus, here is your response to that answer:

Quotes wrote:

Either is blatant buddying or is trying to use Sakura's act of being the one leading the Irreversible push as a reason why HE is townie, both of which are scummy.

Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?

This is slimy as all hell. Quotes originally asked rEdo why Sakura was scum (despite rEdo never once detailing any sort of suspicion of that kind), then turned around his answer to state that he should have tried to detail why he himself was not scum in the second line of his response post. It's putting enough doubt on his intentions that I can't think he believes in what he says in the first line.

The entire exchange is incredibly manipulative.

Unvote: Whoever I was voting
Vote: Quotes

I may need a sub as my laptop keyboard is essentially shot from spilling baileys all over it, and posting from a phone all the time sucks since I can't easily quote (hue) other posts to prove a point. It also means its harder to put pressure and near impossible to do a strong ISo on anyone.

@caligno why do you have a problem with me placing pressure on a player when we only have, what, 2 days left? I do not see the harm in asking leading or loaded questions if these questions serve a purpose. They set from the outset that I probably had a fairly strong scum read on redo, am an aggressive player, and that simply sheeping along with other players isn't acceptable. They also set in some level of panic regardless of alliance and village panic vs mafia panic are often distinguishable

You seem to assume that my thoughts on the game are "imma tunnel Sakura and redo super hard since I already know the scum" which is stupid. It's just useful

Quotes wrote:

@irreversable, what do you think of rEdo and Sakura? Do you find either of them scummy? If you had to choose which one is MORE scummy out of the two, which would you choose and why?

For what reason are you asking this?

Quotes wrote:

@caligno why do you have a problem with me placing pressure on a player when we only have, what, 2 days left? I do not see the harm in asking leading or loaded questions if these questions serve a purpose. They set from the outset that I probably had a fairly strong scum read on redo, am an aggressive player, and that simply sheeping along with other players isn't acceptable. They also set in some level of panic regardless of alliance and village panic vs mafia panic are often distinguishable

I don't think you understood what I said. It's not the pressure itself, it's the way it was applied.

I don't know what's worse, Quotes asking irre for feedback, or him voting him for not giving feedback.

So I guess all his supposed interaction tells means nothing because there's not 3 scum in the game and a vote means his top scum read is Irre (see why voting is important)

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@caligno that's either unresponsive or you really aren't explaining your vote on me well. From what I understand, you are voting for me because you a. Found my first question to be loaded (it was) and b. then proceeded to criticize redo when he does not answer it perfectly with assumptions based on his answer.

If this is the case, I answered that. It was to generate pressure in a short period of time. When I came in there were 3 days until deadline and the game is not super active. I decided that being hyper aggressive from the outset, regardless of whether my initial reads were correct or not might be a useful tool to pressure the two users that had received the least pressure all game.

I do not see what other method I can and should have used to create pressure on redo in such a short period of time and have 0 problems with how I played yesterday, outside of not taking as much time as I'd like to more fully ISo Sakura. Maybe I could have kept pressing redo since his answers weren't great, although far from obvscum.

No, you asked rEdo why Sakura is more likely to be scum then him, then later basically said that he should have explained why he's not mafia. The scope is entirely different and using that method looks more like mafia manipulation than town pressure.

I also just said that pressure is not the issue, it's the way the pressure was added.

@sakura, why have you backed off on pressing players? My being in the game does not mean that you should sit by and do nothing. Your post to vote for me adds nothing but numerical pressure to me, which differs from how you have played the rest of the game.

Irreversible is being anti town in not answering my question. In addition to the fact that a. I already pointed out my case on you was weak but useful/interesting, there still is the redo interaction on backing off on voting him and then proceeding not to explain well (correct me if I have missed this) what these supposed "town points" that made him unvote are.

To answer why someone is scum mixer than you, typically it is important to explain why you yourself are not scummy.

Quotes wrote:

@sakura, why have you backed off on pressing players? My being in the game does not mean that you should sit by and do nothing. Your post to vote for me adds nothing but numerical pressure to me, which differs from how you have played the rest of the game.

I'm not pressing you, i'm getting scum lynched.

LOL, please explain why. I can understand if I hurt your feeling by calling you out on your bad early game play but you having a complex about that does not justify a vote on me.

I've always been voting my scumreads, and you haven't done much redemption on your slot which i originally thought was scum, you did lots of posts saying why rEdo and I were scum together then you vote Irre which means that now rEdo and me cant be scum together, you wasted lots of time trying to explain it, and it's all lost, and now you basically have nothing, pretty much scum muddying the waters and spreading mist to confuse town.

tl;dr: You were pushing rEdo's buddying as an attempt to get 2 easy mislynches, then you start subtly inviting more votes on your reads by asking other players their thoughts on it, when Irre catches it and decides to stay out of it, you immediately vote him, nullifying all you did and exposing you as the scumbag that you are.

But that wasn't what I did at all. I noted an incredibly odd interaction between you and redo and explained how they were my preliminary thoughts on the game and reading through did little to change this. I then pressed redo (and you slightly but I want to do so more) and gave a fairly good ISo on him that no one has commented on. Is my ISo unfair? Am I twisting his words in places?

As for your accusation of "there aren't 3 scum" you are right. I happen to still like redo as scum, but since I recognize my case on why I initially believed you to be scum is weak and I haven't done a strong ISo on you yet to feel confident in "these are the two scum"; it was just a useful stance to take early on to see how redo and you reacted to it.

I am voting for irreversible because I tend to agree with caligno when he said he thought irreversible could be a partner for redo backing off the vote with not the best reasoning and because, as I have said 5 times already, my case on you is weak. Do you need me to say it again?

And how does irreversible refusing to answer a question on his thoughts regarding 2 players constitute as scummy? The only thing remotely scummy in this reaction is for irreversible to refuse to answer the question.

It should be fairly clear why I am asking irreversible the question on what his thoughts on the two of you are. It's because that has been a large topic of discussion recently, and I want to see if he has an odd read or reaction to either you or redo, especially considering I ask this question after caligno's speculation on that being a potential partnership

Constitute as me being scummy*

Quotes wrote:

To answer why someone is scum mixer than you, typically it is important to explain why you yourself are not scummy.

...No? The best way to show you're innocent is to show you're innocent, not tell people that you're innocent. Of course, you also heavily limited his ability to show his innocence by reducing his options of building a case to one other person.

Yeah, that still looks a lot like manipulating guilt over scumhunting.

Your ISO on rEdo didnt go unignored, in fact what you pointed out made me realize he was blatantly budyding me and I noted it (as I pointed out before), then you proceeded to misrep me and said I was townreading him and defending him, and now you're contradicting yourself again saying that you didnt think I was as scummy and all that.

The way you're asking for feedback seems like you're subtly asking for a player on a mislynch, why do YOU have to ask for feedback on other players on your case?, if they had noticed it they would have mentioned it.

Now, at this point your lynch is what I think will give Town the most information, because the way you tried to associate both rEdo and me doesn't look like busing on him at all, so if you flip scum, i'd get a high townread on rEdo, while if you flip town, I'll know that your case was town motivated and will be looking into rEdo more tomorrow.

Not what I said.

If I ask you "explain why tacos are better than pizza," you typically want to discuss why tacos are good, why pizza is not so good, and then making a comparison. This is not, as you seem to imply, the primary motivation behind why I find him to be scum; you can find that in the ISo. I agree that behavior is a much better sign of whether someone is scum or not than the ability to correctly explain an answer to a question. However, I wanted an answer to the question that I gave him

Your only post regarding redo's scum mines to my memory after the ISo was "redo's buddying has been noted" which I interpreted as " this is anti town but I still don't think he is scum" that is in effect a town read in my mind. You then, after implying you have a town read on him in a later post, state you do not have a town read on him but then did not state why or to what degree. I continue to think that there really wasn't much in any of your posts that would lead me to believe you thought of redo as scum until that point. I am glad that you agree that there are things to look into with regards to redo but think that my initial belief that you continued to think of him as town is justified. I'm not a mind reader

I asked him because he has not been contributing all that much on his own, and typically, asking questions of players who may not be making the most contributions on their own can offer at least some insight into what they think is going on and can raise activity. I can't really think of a reasonable explanation for why someone would refuse to answer that question. Outright refusal is different than stating "I don't know" or "I do not have a strong opinion on the matter" both of which, while I probably would press, are at least somewhat responsive

You're making a completely faulty comparison.

1. That type of logic only works when rEdo has a scumread on Sakura, which there was no evidence for whatsoever. No one worth their salt is going to try to get a townread of theirs lynched.
2. The example you're making combines two things in a completely different way, specifically only the relative correlation to each other. The question you asked has to take in account the direct value of both things as well, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense (see #1).

I never once said that was your primary reason for finding him mafia. All I'm saying is that suddenly it all looks like a manipulative ploy over genuine scumhunting.

Fair point; I didn't expect a scum read from redo on Sakura so I suppose getting a slightly jumbled response is understandable. Maybe the follow up question wasn't as effective as I thought it would be. I thought being big scary guy with tons of pressure and an ISo would make questioning from a "I know you are scum" mindset would be effective

I guess so, for the record when i make notes is because scummy behavior, you still were wrong in assuming that I was townreading him tho.

And as I said, you're voting Irre, this directly correlates to him being your top scum read, so your assumption of rEdo being my scumbuddy crumbled, your case on rEdo still stands, and I still think I want you dead.

Btw

@Everyone: please remember that you have to hammer to get a lynch, it's in the rules

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Alright Caligno, your activity increased, and currently there's no sense to leave the vote on you. What bothers me though that you mostly say 'this is wrong, you've thought about that wrong' etc.

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I suppose you've asked me that question so in the end you can say 'oh you didn't tell this and that, he/she must be your scumbuddy', well, this makes actually no sense since you were always putting pressure on reDo and Sakura, so what now? It's more like you want someone lynched instead of real scumhunting, which is not really townlike.

I have never heard or thought that about votes, in terms of always having a vote on suspect number 1. In my mind, as long as during the day I am voting for someone scummy, I can change it to my most scummy read before deadline and can apply pressure to multiple people. I do not find irre's play to be incredibly pro town so I voted for him.

@irreversible I still don't understand why you refuse to answer the question. There is no reason why l

IC Hat.
If you're not voting your top scumread you are doing something wrong.

A vote implies by all means that it is your top scumread, use FoS for anything else.

A vote is movement towards you agreeing that the person deserves to death, so obviously you would be voting for the person you think is most likely to flip scum.

And there's no ambiguity with votes, Anyone can ask you "Why are you voting X?" while if someone asks you "Why are you suspecting X" you can say "No im not suspecting him, you may think i have implied it because Y"

/IC Hat

And i don't understand why you really want me to answer it. You're the most probable scum now, so your question leads into the fact that only one of them is scum. Which means, one of them is your scumbuddy, which makes no sense.

Oops

Logically you can't both say that any way that I might use those questions or answers is scummy while still answering the questions. Your and sakura's objections to how I could potentially use the answers to those questions are duly noted, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the question. The question is simply asking a. Thoughts on redo, b. thoughts on Sakura, c. Compare which you think is more town. I do not know all that much about your thoughts on this game and its players so I would like for you to share them

how can someone be more town? either he's town or scum, there's nothing in between. read my stuff and figure out what i'm thinking

what about dake btw? seems a bit uninterested in the game u.u

So quotes if you're indeed a mislynch there must be obviously some scum in this wagon, or maybe there isn't, but I know from experience that when town is on the frying pan they can see more clearly who is the scum.

Do you think scum is pushing your wagon? Do you think scum is just riding your wagon? Do you think scum is absent from your wagon?

Sakura wrote:

IC Hat.
If you're not voting your top scumread you are doing something wrong.

A vote implies by all means that it is your top scumread, use FoS for anything else.

A vote is movement towards you agreeing that the person deserves to death, so obviously you would be voting for the person you think is most likely to flip scum.

And there's no ambiguity with votes, Anyone can ask you "Why are you voting X?" while if someone asks you "Why are you suspecting X" you can say "No im not suspecting him, you may think i have implied it because Y"

/IC Hat

I guess it does miscommunicate my beliefs.

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Irreversible wrote:

Alright Caligno, your activity increased, and currently there's no sense to leave the vote on you. What bothers me though that you mostly say 'this is wrong, you've thought about that wrong' etc.

This looks so forced.

@sakura caligno has been one of my biggest town reads and his pushing this lynch hasn't really changed that. I don't have a good read on you. Irreversibles post was pretty terrible and seems to cling to you justifying his not answering my question as a motivation behind the vote. But considering I had a vote on him it could just be angry omgus town. I'm inclined to lean scum though

Now about your previous interaction analysis. Here's a better way of doing it without flips, I dont 100% agree with this method, but it's also a good one to try before flips.

Known fact: There's 2 scum.

What to do:

1. Find person that is scummy.
2. Find another person that is scummy.
3. Check if their interactions tie them together.
If yes: Start pushing one of them while keeping an eye on the other.
If no: Repeat Number 2.
If you go through all players and you dont find anyone tied up with Number 1, Number 1 is more likely to be scummy towny than scummy scum.

EBWODP: If you dont find anyone scummy tiped up with Number 1.

*tied

Jeesh im full of typos today.

Sakura, did you work like this method you've just pointed out?

Irreversible wrote:

Sakura, did you work like this method you've just pointed out?

I don't always use it, since i prefer working with flips. This game, nope I haven't used it.

@irreversible why are you voting for me when you are clearly not reading my posts. You either are blatantly ignoring the fact that there are neither scum motivations in the questions themselves nor is there any pro town motivation to ignoring them.

For the third time, I am asking you for your opinions on players in the game because you have been fairly scummy in my mind and you have not to my knowledge done much sharing your opinions on very many players. I asked for opinions on those two players as they were the ones I had talked about most and were where most recent discussion had been directed.

Even if after actually reading my posts you think I am still scummy, thinking someone is scum does not give you an excuse to not listen to what they are saying. You can hold it to a higher level of scrutiny and should, but to blatantly ignore my posts is incredibly anti-town, and keeping a vote on me without even trying to understand what I am trying to do does absolutely no good for the village.

Tl;dr answer my questions

What do you think of redo?
What do you think of Sakura?
If you had to choose which one you found more scummy than the other, which would you choose and why?

Quotes wrote:

Tl;dr answer my questions

What do you think of redo?
What do you think of Sakura?
If you had to choose which one you found more scummy than the other, which would you choose and why?

This is exactly what is scummy about your questions, you're only asking him about me or rEdo and ignoring the rest of the playerlist, if you asked him to give his thoughts on everyone then probably it wouldn't be as bad (or not bad at all)

Really I've lost this post twice

Asking about everyone doesn't make sense since there hasn't been much between his last few posts and from my question regarding users like jinxy and saki for him to change his mind, whereas most discussion was regarding you and redo, including an ISo on redo.

Quotes wrote:

@rEdo, what did Irreversible do to earn enough "townie points" for you to take your vote off of him?

he's posted his thoughts with proper reasoning, and that was enough (for now) to make me think he's town. I'm keeping my eye on him, though.

but yeah, throwing your FoS at him just because he refused to reply your questions made me chuckle. also, I want to mention that you've never actually replied my reverse question why you aren't scum (you've quoted the entire p/2564734 post EXCEPT FOR the part where I ask you a question), but yet told so many people to state their opinions about me and Sakura. forcing the idea of me being scum just because I wanted to make kook talk and that I buddied up to Sakura because we had the same scum suspect? I'm sorry, but sounds like bullshit.


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it's a L-1, by the way.

Mod: please prod Royston.

that should be it for that, I'm way too tired to post for now, also this post is kind of a prod dodge... was studying for like 6 hours straight. enough of analysis for me today x_x"

That is a blatant lie

@rEdo, why would you buddy in past games, but only change now that habit? I can imagine you have been called out on this before. Why make this change NOW?

like I said, I haven't heard a word from kook yet, and this is where I ask you the same question - please give me a reason why you aren't scum. that whole accusiation just pings me even harder that you've got potential to be scum. I could also browse through your ISO thoroughly, but you just popped out of nowhere and picked a person which changed his opinions more than everybody else, which places me in a worse spot as a townie just in order to get an easy lynch today.

Me thinking you are scum does not make me scum. I've already called out the most active player (Sakura) on shit and will continue to do so, since everyone else but Caligno seems unwilling to do so. I posted the ISO on you because you stood out the most as the most obvious scum. The Sakura thing came later when I asked myself who would be your most likely partner. My posts have been spur of the moment and honest in my own estimation, although I can see if you have trouble seeing that I am being honest with calling you scum! I also apparently didn't fail whatever test Sakura was doing. I've explained most of my thoughts regarding lynches and on who I believe scum to be and have backed them up with evidence.

Am I missing anything?[/quote]

p/2565079

no, scratch it, I actually missed that one paragraph where you reply. still, I ain't gonna be a scapegoat for you.

^ yeah, I just noticed that

It's fine i've missed things this game before

Quotes wrote:

@rEdo, why would you buddy in past games, but only change now that habit? I can imagine you have been called out on this before. Why make this change NOW?

I didn't necessarily change the habit of buddying since I tagged along Sakura in Irreversible's case.

@redo, so to clarify, you find me scummy because I wanted people to focus on you and Sakura?

I did this because hardly anyone else had done so beforehand. It would be ignorant and anti-town for me not to put pressure on a. a strong scum suspect (you) and b. the most talkative and controlling townie who hadnt had too much pressure all game (although I could have done much better, Sakura)

rEdo wrote:

Quotes wrote:

@rEdo, why would you buddy in past games, but only change now that habit? I can imagine you have been called out on this before. Why make this change NOW?

I didn't necessarily change the habit of buddying since I tagged along Sakura in Irreversible's case.

I was referring to where you said "but I won't do it anymore," not to what you did beforehand.

Quotes wrote:

@redo, so to clarify, you find me scummy because I wanted people to focus on you and Sakura?

providing you're scum, that would be a really comfortable play for you to start accusing people right off the bat when you get into the game in like the 18th page where your predecessor hasn't said virtually anything, and nobody really has any argument to use against you yet, even though kook was considered scummy before.

Quotes wrote:

I was referring to where you said "but I won't do it anymore," not to what you did beforehand.

people tend to bitch about that in my every game, and I grew tired of it. >_>"

It's proactive town play to come in accusing people of being scum. I am a fresh face and from a first glance, I had ascertained that you were my top scum suspect (and had received very little attention before) and that Sakura was essentially leading most of the topics of discussion. There is no reason for me not to come in and accuse people of being scum. That's what you're supposed to do to find mafia. - you pressure people and you make sure that everyone receives some pressure that you can use later on. Day 1 is by far the most important day of mafia imo, so using the little amount of time that I had in day 1 effectively was a priority. I'm recognizing now from Sakura and Caligno's posts that my play may not have been ideal but I still very much stand by the motivations for pressing you and Sakura, and I still fail to see how my focus on you two as a scumteam was inherently scummy, although Sakura's point about playing it more passively and asking for interactions between the two of you may have been better. Then again, given Sakura's and your incredibly limited direct interaction, perhaps not.

As it is a new page,

I AM AT L-1. PLEASE HOLD OFF ON VOTING FOR ME, EVEN IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO DO SO.

We still have a reasonable amount of time left in the day so we should use as much of it as humanly possible.

I'll be back in like 30 minutes.

If it approves that you're scum i'm going to vote caligno next, because you always are talking super suspciously good about him, which is not a good idea imo.

and wtf, that escalated quickly. quotes it seems like you're panicking right now? for my question: currently, i think both are town. but as I said, it depends what happens next.

Quotes, give me some exact reason why I should think you're town

>it's proactive town play
and having that in mind and getting a scum role after kook, you decided to blatantly push a person that seemed most scummy (except from your scum partner) just to get an easy lynch on a townie.

that should do for today. I'm seriously way too tired to talk for now, especially that you're going afk now, I shall take my leave to bed (goddamn quarter past midnight and I have to wake up at six) x.x"

I'm ok with a Quotes lynch, he went like panicking after rEdo's vote and kook was scummy already, if he's scum, gg; if he's town, I'm leaning for Irre or rEdo.

Also, I'm willing to hammer Quotes.

@Irre: can you explain further on why you will vote Caligno if Quotes is scum? Why didn't you stick with your actual vote on Caligno and jumped on Quotes' wagon?

Irre's posts are calling my attention lately.

Irreversible wrote:

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Alright Caligno, your activity increased, and currently there's no sense to leave the vote on you. What bothers me though that you mostly say 'this is wrong, you've thought about that wrong' etc.

How do you vote people based merely on activity and then unvoting when he started posting again?

If Quotes is scum, then he's likely town due Quotes' empty vote on him.

@Quotes: would you share your reads with us?

Dake obvtown
Caligno probtown
Jinxy probtown
Royston lean town
Saki idk
Sakura idk
Irreversible probscum
Redo very probscum

That was quick, why I'm obvious town?

was this just a statement that you're definetly scum quotes? Dake joins the game, you want him to be your friend, this seems odd to me.

@dake, i'll explain it tomorrow because i'm sleepy now, and i'm going to sleep

No he's been my top town read all game. I lost my last post with 15 reasons why I am town hold up

If people hasnt focused on us, there must be a reason, I do thank you for showing me the fishy behavior rEdo had been doing because I was missing it (I'm a sucker for buddying)

Irreversible wrote:

If it approves that you're scum i'm going to vote caligno next, because you always are talking super suspciously good about him, which is not a good idea imo.

and wtf, that escalated quickly. quotes it seems like you're panicking right now? for my question: currently, i think both are town. but as I said, it depends what happens next.

Quotes, give me some exact reason why I should think you're town

Fair and accurate ISo of a scummy player with 0 complaints from anyone, including little to no answer or justification from the player that I iso'd.

Pressure on scummy to neutral players, especially in the case of redo. I don't think there had been any discussion of the possibility of redo scum before my bringing it up, and the other players I've pressured or attempted to pressure have all been fairly scummy.

Willingness to admit that my initial reads on Sakura were weak without Sakura or anyone else directly refuting any of them to my knowledge. It was in towns best interest that I explain that while my initial read on Sakura was justified, it was not very strong and not worth lynching over.

Continuing to attempt to scum hunt and be pro town even with votes on me. I still very much want an answer to the question that you keep fucking ignoring irreversible. I would rant here about how utterly moronic you are being in your refusal to share information that can help you look less scummy but that is not supposed to be the purpose of this post.

Quick, non agonized responses to questions on why I did what I did and what my motivations for doing so were. I have not had to come up with stupid lies for what I'm doing because I am not lying. Look at how quick my responses to most questions of me is for some indication.

None of the pressure on me deals with the motivations behind why I'm posting as I am. I have been trying to find scum all game and to take charge in doing so. Calignos point is that my questions were loaded. I immediately agreed with this, because that was the point. Sakura followed for the prior move of grouping her with redo and thinking this was a scum tactic for an easy 2nd mislynch. I still find this logic flawed since it assumes that this is a primary factor in a lynch vote which it should not be and I pointed again to my backing off of formal suspicion of her. She then felt even stronger in her opinion when I voted irreversible for being stupid (don't care it is stupid). After her point on how votes should be reserved for top suspects I backed off and votes my top suspect.

My views have been fairly consistent, outside of arguably the irreversible vote. But he blatantly was ignoring my posts, as is evidenced by his post about "that's a lot of pressure why don't you vote" when I had done so long before. I tended to agree with caligno that the backing off by redo on irreversible was suspicious. (Even now all redo had said is "his responses were probtown" without explaining why)

I'm sure there are more reasons

Irreversible wrote:

was this just a statement that you're definetly scum quotes? Dake joins the game, you want him to be your friend, this seems odd to me.

Circumstantial, I legitimately thought he was the most town player. I know I can't really prove that though

Sakura wrote:

If people hasnt focused on us, there must be a reason, I do thank you for showing me the fishy behavior rEdo had been doing because I was missing it (I'm a sucker for buddying)

Because players not named calignobot are scared of you and you as the person leading discussions had said nothing about redo

Deadline is around 22 hours.

Someone should be declaring intent soon so Quotes claims and we have enough time to analyze the claim guys.

Dake declared intent and willingness to hammer.

Still don't see how I'm a lynch target at all tbh, especially ahead of either redo or irreversible. This is my 4th time trying to post this so I'm not going to get into the reasons why both of them are better targets because it should be fairly apparent in my past posts, as well as in their only joining a bandwagon on me when reasonably strong players had done so before them. I've already explained why everything I've done has been in the villages interest. I don't understand why no one seems to get that

If he declared intent then if you're town, you should be claiming your role and give us your reads list so we can analyze it.

If you're scum you can continue to die <3

Oh you already gave your reads, that's what i get for skimming the last page due to work *re-reads*

So yeah, just claim your role so we know whether you're a PR or not and in case of a PR we know which, if anyone CCs your claim then we get a conf scum if you flip town after all, and if no one CCs your claim then you live.

I don't get why I am forced to claim when people should be removing their votes regardless

I'm cop

I played aggro as fuck toget people to forget about kooks really obvious pr bleed

Yeah it does make sense with the PR slip from kook, but see I was right about the Inside Information.

Oh well

Vote: rEdo

Obvious reasons, if someone is either Cop, Tracker, 1 shot bp or Jailkeeper claim now because you cannot exist together with Quotes role and we get a confirmed scum.

And if you didnt want to claim because of your predecessor's PR slip, scum knows who they are and would remember your predecessor's PR slip anyways, so you were condemned during the night already, oh the plus side if there's a doctor they might protect you tonight, but that would mean they have a RB and you'd pretty much be a named townie.

Time is running short

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Mod: Where's our votecount? ;_;

That is sufficient, although stating your role instead of just saying you're a PR helped mafia more than town.

Unvote: Quotes
Vote: rEdo

i thik redo is at l-1

Also for any future games you have Quotes. Asking things like "Hey X, what are your thoughts on Y?" IS scummy.

Not much time left to escape the factory of Little King John. He'll turn you in to either potato knishes, black squash balls or centipedes. This is the current vote count as is.

Votecoount 1.3:

rEdo (4) (L-1) - Jinx, Quotes, Sakura, CalignoBot
Quotes (2) - Irreversible, rEdo
Sakura (1) - SenaSaki

Not Voting: Everyone else...which is like DakeDekaane and Royston.

Prodded Saki and Royston. Far out you guys.

I totally voted rEdo somewhere back, jeez

Vote: rEdo again

Actually, you never voted once before Jinx.

Never. At all. What the hell man?

Oh well sorry for not seeing that.

I did look through the ISO on each individual people too.

Okay fine I'm posting

blah blah walls of text blah blah

And if you didnt want to claim because of your predecessor's PR slip, scum knows who they are and would remember your predecessor's PR slip anyways, so you were condemned during the night already, oh the plus side if there's a doctor they might protect you tonight, but that would mean they have a RB and you'd pretty much be a named townie.

yes, this is true. If we do have a doctor and it's row 2 then it would probably still be best if they do protect Quotes since he's the most likely to be killed. Though I guess they could just roleblock him rather than trying to kill him but even without a night action a semi-confirmed town is still useful

it should go without saying that we shouldn't hammer until everyone's caught up and allow for the opportunity for someone to contradict Quotes' claim

Alright, i'm back again.

Dake, to answer your question, it would be simple, it seems for me that Quotes want to whiteknight (is this the right word i'm using) Calipso, what seems a bit scumpartnerish to me.

@Sakura: Let's assume Quotes is right, redo is scum, and you are. Aren't you worried if he gets lynched? I'm a bit courious about your handling now, because you switch of to redo. (so you show that you are against him)

reDo, when you said i earned some town points, did you just want to have me on your side so you won't get lynched?

Unvote

I'm confused about the roles again.. can't make any connections I get the matrix 6 thing, but yeah that's basically it :/

Irreversible wrote:

I'm confused about the roles again.. can't make any connections I get the matrix 6 thing, but yeah that's basically it :/

I just mentioned all possible Counter Claims to the Cop claim, so don't worry, basically if any role is not aligned horizontally or vertically with one they cannot exist together and is a good Counter Claim (or CCing with the exact same role that was claimed)

So look at it like this

Jailkeeper - Vanilla - Vanilla
Roleblocker - Cop - Doctor
1-shot Bulletproof - Vanilla - Tracker

Cop was claimed, all in red arent directly algined with it, so are Counter Claims, Doctor is in green because it can exist together and it's not a Counter Claim (So if they exist they shouldn't claim, simple)

ah i remember, quotes said he's cop once didn't he? but why can we trust him?

No counterclaim, also I dont agree with any counter claim if it's a cop. Right now unless it's rEdo, if a real cop exists, they should hide until tomorrow so they can at least get 1 investigation off. If a JK is the CC they can CC and we get Quotes lynched, if he flips cop lynch the CC tomorrow, otherwise the JK can try an attempt at preventing the NK with his roleblock, Tracker should prob. stay hidden as well. Not sure on the best course of action of a 1 shot BP cc.

If he's scum, We will get a counter claim either today or tomorrow.

If he's the actual cop, then we got 1 conf town, who will prob. die tonight anyway so why kill him today, if there's a doctor he'll live, but scum has a RB so he's useless, and being useless PR, he's still town and there's no reason for lynch him.

a.k.a our scum pool has reduced so we should be looking at another perspective.

ah i see .. o_o' so it's not even sure a cop exists right?

But on the plus side, cop can be cc'd, if cop is a fake claim, its ASSURED that there will be a CC, so if there isn't Quotes is pretty much conftown.

So yeah if another cop exists, they shouldn't out yet, get an investigation tonight, and out tomorrow, this gives us either a conf town (if they got an innocnet), a conf scum (if they get a guilty) on top of a conf scum (because of the CC).

The only thing worrying me atm is for the day to end without a hammer.

Why is that? How many votes does it need to hammer?