Yes. Why townie or mafia claiming as jester when jester can win WITH town or mafia.
I like how people ended the day inbetween the time I went to bed, and the time I got home from work.BRBP wrote:
Vote: LadySuburu
Last online 28 hours ago, lol.
It lowers the number of people who could potentially be scum to 3 from 4.Lincolm wrote:
@LS : Why prefer NoLynch?
I don't see how it's possible to literally confirm someone in this setup.Lincolm wrote:
So, if I do something now that can confirm one of the townie, what do you think of it?
A little bit risky or not?
NevermindBRBP wrote:
But I don't understand how you can confirm anyone in this setup.
On what basis made you do this actually?BRBP wrote:
Vote: LadySuburu
Last online 28 hours ago, lol.
I completely forget this. Welp...BRBP wrote:
oh...
I guess we shouldn't do it anymore? Why would we take a risk that you actually are scum and end the game by voting LS, when the scum could just shoot you the night after you're confirmed? I guess it would help if we no lynch and scum refused to do any kills N2 and forward.
How do you know he was inactive in 28 hours?BRBP wrote:
I was stupid. I thought the night was 24 hours (when it was actually something like 30+) and assumed there was no kill because LS was inactive that time. I didn't realize that it's beneficial to scum to do a no kill before LS said so.
Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?Lincolm wrote:
If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill.
Lincolm wrote:
It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.
These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?Lincolm wrote:
Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.
At least, this was what I thought.
NoHItter: I think he's town, but he's smart enough to pull off what he's doing if he were scum. (As I stated before.) He's not confirmed, but if he's scum I doubt we will win. The NoHItter scum possibility is mainly why I want to go to LyLo.Lincolm wrote:
@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
Never heard (or read that) before. Read that, kinda stupid, but seems my theory about MyLo's better is right.LadySuburu wrote:
Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?
I already said it twice, I'm sure NH is 100% town.LadySuburu wrote:
These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?
MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).LadySuburu wrote:
@Lincolm: Why do you prefer Mylo to LyLo (and think it's better for scum in Lylo than town?)
That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?BRBP wrote:
My 'choice' would probably be Lincolm. It's possible you were willing to risk bringing LS to L-1 because you're scum and already know NH is town and knew he wouldn't hammer. When I pointed out that it's not really helpful to risk it like that when the scum could just kill him the night after, you said you forgot. Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
Even a town want to find the scum. I don't get you logic. Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum". Tell me again how I just fake scumhunting.BRBP wrote:
At least it would look like you're trying to help town / you're town, and it wouldn't cause any problems for you later if you were scum, since you could just kill him if we decide to no lynch.Lincolm wrote:
That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?
Lincolm wrote:
Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum".
BRBP wrote:
Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.Lincolm wrote:
Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?
I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.
If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
I already know what it means. I asked before, which theory do you think, scum forgot to send kill or action NoKill? I assumed by your answer is the latter, because you thought this can be ended with Happily Ever After.LadySuburu wrote:
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?LadySuburu wrote:
As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?LadySuburu wrote:
Assuming it's not me, of course.
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.Lincolm wrote:
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.LadySuburu wrote:
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.LadySuburu wrote:
I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.Lincolm wrote:
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.I disagree about MyLo being better for town than LyLo. I disagree with pretty much all of your reasoning for lynching today.
It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.
No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.Okay, so NL is a good idea, right? You change your mind later, see below.
MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)
I prefer lynch now.
I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.LadySuburu wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.
And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!LadySuburu wrote:
You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.
Read that. The bold.Lincolm wrote:
No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.
I said it again, the mafia is performed the kill. And the one who have high chance to get killed is NoHitter and how is the differences with three of us + NoHitter which can provide anything TODAY? You only said NoHitter can be mafia, but YOU HAVE TOWNREAD IN HIM. It doesn't mean, "hey, I ever play with NoHitter, and he is too slick for me". Hey, then why don't try to provide something to the other players that you can trust more?LadySuburu wrote:
Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)
NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)LadySuburu wrote:
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.
I prefer lynch now.
BRBP wrote:
I don't agree lynching LS is a good idea.
I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.Can we trust NH? We now know BRBP is town. NH is posting sparecly with little reasoning, and took a backseat to our argument.
And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!From the start of D2 I've said I will be voting No Lynch. I'm pretty sure that implies that I disagree with lynching.
Because NH prefer NoLynch, then "Let's go sheep NH" ? If he prefer it, it doesn't mean anything. Why need to call it any way?Again, you asked his opinion after having stated NL was a good idea. Also, why in the world would we immediately NoLynch? If you're going to NoLynch again, you always want to take the full day for discussion.
You're quoting different post IN different situation. Learn to know that.
THE FIRST TIME, I think NL is to prevent NoKill, yes, if we just immediately NoLynch, then scum have another night.
THE LAST TIME, We all agree that NH is the towniest, which mean NH is the highest chance for the night target.
And yet, you NEVER try to interact with NH. If you paranoid with NH, why you never try to clear it? Look, you said he took a backseat which I agree, but I believe NH is 100% town since the start of day 2. (I have one of my game which I ignore my own "confirmed" town when he is fence-sitting, cause I believed he is 100% town) Yet, you believe NH is town with paranoid WITHOUT TRY TO INTERACT WITH NH.LadySuburu wrote:
Can we trust NH? We now know BRBP is town. NH is posting sparecly with little reasoning, and took a backseat to our argument.
This is the part I believe you're scum since you told this. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE SCUM WANT TO "HAPPILY EVER AFTER" EXCEPT YOU ARE THE SCUM. In other side, I believe you tried to negotiate this to town.LadySuburu wrote:
As for what would've happened tomorrow before BRBP's confirmation, Scum either NKs or No Kills. If they No Kill, we No Lynch again. Again, at this point it's a waste.
If the mafia performed NoKill and we immediately NoLynch, what do you think mafia will do? There is only 2 scenario, he will kill because the previous day, which he didn't have any idea who to kill like before, or not. Which this is better rather than have discussion first, AND HE HAD TARGET TO KILL.LadySuburu wrote:
Again, you asked his opinion after having stated NL was a good idea. Also, why in the world would we immediately NoLynch? If you're going to NoLynch again, you always want to take the full day for discussion.
Really, this is the night kill analyze and town need to read this because "Lincolm / NoHitter is scum" is illogical to the highest level according to the NoKill of night action.Lincolm wrote:
2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
NH should know me better than he's acting in this thread. Slightly dissapointed.Lincolm wrote:
The way "I have no energy to argue / I'm busy, so I posted AtE / Role Claim" usually done by scum if you want to know, which tempering town to doubt their CORRECT choice when the scum even not in here. I can give you an example of this if you want.
God, is this a confession of trolling scum? Now I fell so wrong.BRBP wrote:
You don't know me.
This is why I prefer real confirmations, uncertanties are always uncertain. ;_;NoHitter wrote:
LS we all got trolled by BRBP I think.
Yeah but at what costRaging Bull wrote:
To have scum as confirmed town and then have the option to hammer anyone. Damnit. How to scum.
Yeah I know, lol.NoHitter wrote:
Honestly though LS, if BRBP hammered he would have won. You don't expect scum not to follow wincon.
That's the point of a gambit. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.Tanzklaue wrote:
basically, that gambit of NH is totally useless, since scum can win either way \:D/