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5p Jester Mafia (Jester/Mafia win)

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pieguyn
hi, here with a minigame this time :D

accepting replacement signups

standard rules copied from NoHItter

NoHitter wrote:

General:
1) Do not quote your role PM or anything the mod gives to you.
2) Do not post screenshots or any sort of factual evidence of private communications, either with the mod or amongst yourselves.
3) Do not edit your posts.
4) Do not talk outside of the thread, unless your role PM allows so.
5) Mod has the final say on any issue. If the mod makes a mistake, feel free to PM him to sort it out.
6) If you need any help, or have questions, or just want to talk in general, feel free to PM the mod.
7) Dead people may not post in the thread.

Day:
1) Game starts at Day.
2) Deadlines will be 72 hours tentatively. Extensions may be placed depending on the activity.
3) You may vote someone by using this format: Vote : Player. You may also choose to not lynch anyone: Vote: No-Lynch
4) You may also remove your vote by using this format: Unvote
5) When a player receives more than half of the total votes at any point during the day, that player is automatically lynched.
6) Once a player is lynched, there shall be no posting in the thread even before the mod posts the lynch scene. Night will commence shortly.
7) If no one has been lynched, and the deadline has passed, the person with the most votes gets lynched. If there is a tie, the one who reached the tying amount of votes first, is lynched.
8) A player has to remain active, at least one post per 24 hours. If a player has not posted for 24 hours, one may request for them to be prodded.
9) If the player prodded doesn't respond, a he/she will be replaced.
10) If the player gets prodded three times already and still becomes inactive he/she will be automatically replaced.
11) If no replacement can be found. The player will be modkilled instead.

Night:
1) Night lasts 24 hours.
2) Any roles or factions with active night abilities may choose to use them by PM-ing the mod (see the Role PM for role-specific instructions).
3) Once the deadline for night has passed, all actions not received will count as a No Action.

Rules:
  1. note days are 72 hours. if mafia wants, I can end the night as soon as they submit their kill or wait the full 24 hours (their choice to prevent exploiting activity..)
  2. game does not end if the Jester is lynched
  3. Please, don't join if you won't be able to be active > <
  4. don't do anything stupid plz
  5. Everything else follows the standard rules above from NoHItter
Setup:
  1. 1 Mafia Goon
  2. 1 Jester
  3. 3 Vanilla Townies
  4. it's possible to extend to 7p by adding 2 VTs
Role PMs:
Mafia Goon
You are a Mafia Goon. Each night, you may PM me with the name of a player to kill. You win when you control half the votes during the Day or nothing can stop this from happening.
Jester
You are a Jester. You win if you are lynched. note you lose if you are NK'ed or alive at the end of the game
Vanilla Townie
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities. You win when the Mafia Goon dies.

Living players:
  1. Sakura
  2. NoHItter
  3. BRBP
  4. LadySuburu
  5. Lincolm
Dead players:
  1. Sakura - Jester - lynched D1
Replacements:
  1. CalignoBot
Events:
  1. D1 start p/2472933
  2. D2 start p/2479426
Lincolm
Fuck you (who aren't pre-in) I join.

/In
Topic Starter
pieguyn
k let's go

man I forgot flavor again

There's been some strange events going on recently. Not only deaths, but also just weird prank sort of things. It's up to everyone to figured out exactly what's going on here...

It is D1, with 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is 8/5/2013 9:00 GMT, 82:16 from now
Lincolm
Vote : Lincolm

Go!
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

wifomwifom
What if I'm not ready to go yet? What if I'm still trying to get my engine to start!?
Lincolm
Vroom vroom~
Sakura
No confirmation?
Vote: LadySuburu
Never played with you before
LadySuburu

Sakura wrote:

No confirmation?
Vote: LadySuburu
Never played with you before
I'm an old player, and hosted tons of games. Be careful or I'll eat your soul--- I mean... wait no that's right.
VoidnOwO
:)
Sakura
Why would you eat my poor innocent soul :< you must be scumz
Sakura
Also I know you're an old player, I started playing here just a few months ago so I've never played with you /o/ my point still stands.
Lincolm
@LadySuburu : no RVS?
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

@LadySuburu : no RVS?

I rarely RVS.
Sakura

LadySuburu wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

@LadySuburu : no RVS?

I rarely RVS.
Why?
NoHitter
Claim: Jester

Mafia, I have a deal for you. The moment someone votes a townie go vote him/her and I also vote him.
Townie will be lynched you NK another townie tonight then we both vote me tomorrow for the joint win. (I get lynched so I win.)

It's the surest way we both win.
Deal?
NoHitter
EBWOP:
Please don't screw me over ;_;
I offered you this tactic.
VoidnOwO

pieguy1372 wrote:

don't do anything stupid plz
NoHitter
Well this tactic is a sure win for me, so it's not stupid :D
Lincolm
Surely I want more discussion before the claim.

Here's my deal. Vote : NoHitter

Now you can win.
Lincolm
Hey Sakura I see you online.

Come here and hammer.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
votecount 1.1:

NoHItter (2) - BRBP, Lincolm (L - 1)
LadySuburu (1) - Sakura
Sakura
Well sure, but are you sure you want this day to end early? Never played in a setup with a Jester so idk what tactics Jesters use.
Lincolm
I don't want the mafia and NoHitter online together in same time.

If LS isn't mafia, there you go. They already end the day.
Lincolm
Well, at least you can unvote to prevent this happen.
Lincolm
If you unvote, I'm going to unvote also.
Sakura
Then you must be scum wanting town cred!
Vote: Lincolm
Lincolm
I must be idiot, huh?

Sakura is scum thanks.
Sakura
Unvote
Lincolm
Now why the unvote right now?

Unvote
Sakura
Vote: Lincolm
Sakura
Don't mind me just reaction testing and pressuring.
Lincolm
Yeah Sakura is scum

Vote : NoHitter

What exactly reaction test you want to achieve WHEN MAFIA AND JESTER can vote me right now?

BS, Sakura.
Sakura
Why would Jester vote you?
Lincolm
Why would Jester not vote himself right now?
Sakura
If i'm scum why aren't you voting me?
Lincolm
How page 3 is 100% accurate?
Sakura
So you think NH is scum?
Lincolm
Where is facepalm emo...

Do you want bring Jester in LyLo, seriously?
Sakura

Lincolm wrote:

Where is facepalm emo...

Do you want bring Jester in LyLo, seriously?
That's what im asking YOU
Lincolm
No, you ask me that NH is scum or not.

I'm trying to get rid the Jester from LyLo and I'm asking you why you want Jester in LYLO.
Sakura
If you want to get rid of the jester D1 why are you voting NH, do you believe his claim?
Lincolm
Yes. Why townie or mafia claiming as jester when jester can win WITH town or mafia.
Sakura
Actually that's a good point.

Vote: Sakura
Oh well i can forget about this thread now
Lincolm
....

If you're town you're going to make us get killed.
Sakura
No, I'm jester, i'm ccing NH, bye.
Sakura
I thought the optimal jester strategy was to not show yourself as jester but as scummy if you're wondering why i didn't cc earlier, and that's also why i questioned you on why you believed NH.
Lincolm
Hell...

Unvote
Sakura
Now let's turn things around if I was scum I wouldn't have any issue hammering NH regardless of him being town or jester, so if someone's scum is most probably NH.
NoHitter
Well not the result I was hoping for, but fair enough. My plan was to get Mafia to agree to my "proposal" then wagon whoever agrees.
Well, at least we can get the Jester out of the picture for D2 LyLo.

Vote: Sakura

I'm voting Jester since:
A) Game doesn't end when Jester wins.
B) We at least have a confirmed way of NOT losing D2. If we try to lynch scum today and fail, scum can opt to joint win with Jester tomorrow.

If you guys want, we can opt for a lynch today, but the moment we mislynch, I think it's gg for us unless Mafia decides to kill the Jester.
If we do that, my suspects will be either one from LS or BRBP.

Reads:
Lincolm - Town (It's not in Mafia's best play to let Jester die D1, since Jester and Mafia can joint win D2)
Sakura - Jester (Claimed)
LS, BRBP - Null (By PoE Mafia should be here)
Lincolm
I just post the event every page :

Page 1 :
I self-voted as RVS.
LS thought that WIFOM and rarely RVS.
Sakura voted LS and BRBP voted NH as joined the RVS.
NH claimed as Jester who work for Mafia.

Self-note :
I think NH's Jester claims is very strong, this is extremely hard for town. I prefer end the life of Jester.

Fortunately NH don't know the mafia so NH didn't wagon someone. If he joined the mafia's vote (as no one will hammer) or wagon the mafia (who will hammer also), this is horrible for him.

Page 2 :
Yeah, it is good tactic for jester.
BRBP don't believe with NH's claim. He think this is stupid.
As BRBP didn't unvote, I voted NH also.
I asked Sakura to hammer NH, as Sakura's vote still in LS.
Sakura thought I am scum, so she voted me.
Sakura's unvote for reaction test and I already stated if Sakura unvote, I would unvote, so she voted me again because I unvote...

Self-note :
I think the part I italic is important part.

Somehow, I don't think Sakura is town because of that... I mean, she can unvote first if she is town. Why she sure about the place of her vote? Because if LS and Sakura are town or I and Sakura are town, hell... If Sakura is Jester, she didn't vote NH because she believed NH is scum.

Still, I can't judge when everyone didn't post.

I voted NH so NH would self-hammer, so we ended with LyLo without Jester.

Page 3 :
Dunno why Sakura so sure that I'm scum.
Uh... yes I believed with NH's claim in here, until the CC.

Self-note : Uh yes... If Sakura is Jester, she believed NH is scum. That's why she didn't hammer. But I don't think scum will claim as jester. Yeah WIFOM, but strong WIFOM here.

P-Edit :
Yeah thanks for the explanation from NH. Glad, I like it.

At least the poll go down. I think NH is town because of the claim. The WIFOM is too strong for me.
Sakura
@Lincolm: i lied about me thinking you were scum, as I said, i was trying to look scummy to get lynched, since i thought that was the most optimal jester strategy, but since in this game, the game doesnt end with jester dead, i realized i dont really have a reason to not hide my role, and town doesnt have a reason to not lynch me D1, in fact, they'd rather lynch me D1 because scum could plot with the Jester on D2 LyLo to win.
NoHitter
I think future games should end if the Jester be lynched.
At the moment, the game is an insta-win for the Jester.
Lincolm
Welp, I just gonna try it again. Pieguy isn't online anyway. Everyone still can post.

Vote : Sakura
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Sakura (3) - Sakura, NoHItter, Lincolm
NoHItter (1) - BRBP

so it seems the person behind all these weird pranks turned herself in? Looks like we have no choice if we want to find the mafia. This setup is complete bulls-
*loud voice comes over speakers*
well hey, now I know better for next time. As for this time you can still win so get to work :P

Sakura - Jester - lynched D1
Sakura wins!

It is N1, mafia has till 8/4 8:00 GMT to send kill, I can end night earlier if they prefer
NoHitter
*bump*
Topic Starter
pieguyn
sorry, my fault, fell asleep early

Everyone woke up only to find...no one died?
It is D2. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is 8/7/2013 8:00 GMT, 67:46 from now
NoHitter
Vote: No Lynch
VoidnOwO
:)
Lincolm
No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.

This is still hard...
Lincolm
Hey, NoHitter, do you want to still in MyLo with 1 confirmed town or LyLo without confirmed town?

You choose.
LadySuburu

BRBP wrote:

Vote: LadySuburu

Last online 28 hours ago, lol.
I like how people ended the day inbetween the time I went to bed, and the time I got home from work.

Also, I'm going with Nolynch as well once we're done with discussion today.

You've posted just as little as I was able to, you know.
Lincolm
@LS : Why prefer NoLynch?
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

@LS : Why prefer NoLynch?
It lowers the number of people who could potentially be scum to 3 from 4.

NoHItter's smart enough to pull all of this off in order to be seen as a pretty much confirmed townie, I know from playing with him. I'd rather he state what he thinks today, so we can act on it tomorrow assuming he dies. If he doesn't, then assuming I'm alive I only have to choose between him and one other person, as opposed to two.

It works the same for all cases. It's better to have two other people to look at than three.
Lincolm
So, if I do something now that can confirm one of the townie, what do you think of it?

A little bit risky or not?
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

So, if I do something now that can confirm one of the townie, what do you think of it?

A little bit risky or not?
I don't see how it's possible to literally confirm someone in this setup.
Lincolm
Not the setup.

MyLo / LyLo condition.

Yet, I never done it before in my life.
Lincolm
I will wait NH's answer for that first.
NoHitter
I think I have a rough idea of what you're planning to do.
Go ahead.
VoidnOwO
:)
Lincolm
That's already failure.

Whatever.. I still sure NH is town.

@LS and BRBP : Which part you don't understand how to confirm one of town in MyLo / LyLo condition? At N1, which scenario is more possible for you, scum did no kill or scum was inactive?

=
VoidnOwO
:)
VoidnOwO

BRBP wrote:

But I don't understand how you can confirm anyone in this setup.
Nevermind
NoHitter
Consider the hypothetical situation:
BRBP, you vote LS.
Lincolm votes LS.
If I don't vote LS, then I'm "confirmed".

If I were scum then why would I refuse hammering someone when it's a win for me?

That's probably what Lincolm was thinking.
Lincolm
Yes, it is. I'm sure NH is town, even though I'm going to LyLo (if mafia kills someone tomorrow, I bet he do), it doesn't make any difference for me. Somehow, since yesterday, I think the pool of scum kill is between me or NH.

The night action make me sure 100% that the scum is between BRBP and LS. If NH is scum, he could kill me and go to LyLo. Though NoKill action is possible, but it doesn't make sense after what happen in day 1.

BRBP wrote:

Vote: LadySuburu

Last online 28 hours ago, lol.
On what basis made you do this actually?
VoidnOwO
:)
VoidnOwO
:)
Lincolm

BRBP wrote:

oh...

I guess we shouldn't do it anymore? Why would we take a risk that you actually are scum and end the game by voting LS, when the scum could just shoot you the night after you're confirmed? I guess it would help if we no lynch and scum refused to do any kills N2 and forward.
I completely forget this. Welp...

=

BRBP wrote:

I was stupid. I thought the night was 24 hours (when it was actually something like 30+) and assumed there was no kill because LS was inactive that time. I didn't realize that it's beneficial to scum to do a no kill before LS said so.
How do you know he was inactive in 28 hours?
VoidnOwO
:)
LadySuburu
I figured out what Lincolm meant as I was heading to sleep. It's not really a strategy that's that much worth it, as it already happens automatically when we're forced to make a decision in lylo, and as has already been stated the confirmed will just get NK'd anywway, and we'll have to do it all over again.

The only benefit to doing it in Mylo is that we can hear thoughts from a confirmed, and use those thoughts in making our decision, but it's still fairly risky, and even if we didn't use that we would know by the start of the next day.

@BRBP Some hosts actually allow pre-night kill PMs for scum, myself included on most of the games I host.
Lincolm
1. Personally, like I said before, I think the kill pool is between me and NH. Even though I survive tomorrow, I still believe it is between you and BRBP. It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.
2. If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill. Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.

At least, this was what I thought.

=

@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill.
Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?



Lincolm wrote:

It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.

Lincolm wrote:

Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.

At least, this was what I thought.
These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?


Lincolm wrote:

@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
NoHItter: I think he's town, but he's smart enough to pull off what he's doing if he were scum. (As I stated before.) He's not confirmed, but if he's scum I doubt we will win. The NoHItter scum possibility is mainly why I want to go to LyLo.

BRBP: Hasn't posted much, as with me. Leaning scum at the moment, due to pretty much minor factors.

Lincolm: See above and below comments directed to you.


@Lincolm: Why do you prefer Mylo to LyLo (and think it's better for scum in Lylo than town?)
Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?
Never heard (or read that) before. Read that, kinda stupid, but seems my theory about MyLo's better is right. :lol:

Kinda weird...

LadySuburu wrote:

These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?
I already said it twice, I'm sure NH is 100% town.

LadySuburu wrote:

@Lincolm: Why do you prefer Mylo to LyLo (and think it's better for scum in Lylo than town?)
MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).

I don't get it with "see comment below". Do you need my answer first?
Lincolm
Did in this forum ever happen Happily Ever After?
VoidnOwO
:)
Lincolm

BRBP wrote:

My 'choice' would probably be Lincolm. It's possible you were willing to risk bringing LS to L-1 because you're scum and already know NH is town and knew he wouldn't hammer. When I pointed out that it's not really helpful to risk it like that when the scum could just kill him the night after, you said you forgot. Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?
Lincolm
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.

I prefer lynch now.
VoidnOwO
:)
NoHitter
FTR, I think Lincolm is town for his actions yesterday, wanting to lynch the Jester instead of going for a coop win.
NoHitter
BRBP: Probably because for him, scum is either you and LS, and most likely since I'm going to die tonight, NL-ing wouldn't make a difference for his scum suspects.
Lincolm
Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?

I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.

If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
Lincolm

BRBP wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?
At least it would look like you're trying to help town / you're town, and it wouldn't cause any problems for you later if you were scum, since you could just kill him if we decide to no lynch.
Even a town want to find the scum. I don't get you logic. Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum". Tell me again how I just fake scumhunting.
VoidnOwO

Lincolm wrote:

Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum".

BRBP wrote:

Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
Lincolm
It still you think I'm fake scumhunting because of something irrelevant.
Lincolm
Look, this is the chronology :
-I asked your read.
-You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario.
-I said it is stupid because why would I prefer confirmed NH rather than killed him last night.
-You said because I tried to gain towncreed by fake scumhunting.
-I said that even town want to scumhunting. And I asked you where I was fake scumhunting.
-Then you said (again) it isn't best lead now.
-I said basically your read is because I forgot the scenario, and your theory I was fake scumhunting is irrelevant with the scenario because (see below number 1)...

1. You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario. If I was scum, you think I was fake scumhunting because maybe I'm scum. Look I just asked, if I'm scum, where I was fake scumhunting? Does this not reinforce your read in me? I mean, you have me as leaning scum, this help your case in me. Why not do it? In other side, when I asked you where I was fake scumhunting, you just,"I will take a look at Lincolm and LS more".

2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?

I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.

If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.

As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.

If he's the one killed, it puts the possibility out of my mind that he still is scum, and allows me to take his opinions at face value. I've already stated multiple times I believe he's smart enough to have done all of this as scum, as unlikely as it is.

If he's not the one killed, then I have the chance to go back and analyze all of the past conversations, and the posts of the person who is killed. Assuming it's not me, of course.

Also, unless I'm counting wrong day's ending soon. I don't see the reasoning for staying in MyLo as opposed to LyLo.

Vote: No Lynch
Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.
I already know what it means. I asked before, which theory do you think, scum forgot to send kill or action NoKill? I assumed by your answer is the latter, because you thought this can be ended with Happily Ever After.

It's still stupid.

LadySuburu wrote:

As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?

4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?

LadySuburu wrote:

Assuming it's not me, of course.
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.

Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?

4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?
I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.

LadySuburu wrote:

I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.
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