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That's already failure.
Whatever.. I still sure NH is town.
@LS and BRBP : Which part you don't understand how to confirm one of town in MyLo / LyLo condition? At N1, which scenario is more possible for you, scum did no kill or scum was inactive?
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Whatever.. I still sure NH is town.
@LS and BRBP : Which part you don't understand how to confirm one of town in MyLo / LyLo condition? At N1, which scenario is more possible for you, scum did no kill or scum was inactive?
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NevermindBRBP wrote:
But I don't understand how you can confirm anyone in this setup.
Consider the hypothetical situation:
BRBP, you vote LS.
Lincolm votes LS.
If I don't vote LS, then I'm "confirmed".
If I were scum then why would I refuse hammering someone when it's a win for me?
That's probably what Lincolm was thinking.
BRBP, you vote LS.
Lincolm votes LS.
If I don't vote LS, then I'm "confirmed".
If I were scum then why would I refuse hammering someone when it's a win for me?
That's probably what Lincolm was thinking.
Yes, it is. I'm sure NH is town, even though I'm going to LyLo (if mafia kills someone tomorrow, I bet he do), it doesn't make any difference for me. Somehow, since yesterday, I think the pool of scum kill is between me or NH.
The night action make me sure 100% that the scum is between BRBP and LS. If NH is scum, he could kill me and go to LyLo. Though NoKill action is possible, but it doesn't make sense after what happen in day 1.
The night action make me sure 100% that the scum is between BRBP and LS. If NH is scum, he could kill me and go to LyLo. Though NoKill action is possible, but it doesn't make sense after what happen in day 1.
On what basis made you do this actually?BRBP wrote:
Vote: LadySuburu
Last online 28 hours ago, lol.
I completely forget this. Welp...BRBP wrote:
oh...
I guess we shouldn't do it anymore? Why would we take a risk that you actually are scum and end the game by voting LS, when the scum could just shoot you the night after you're confirmed? I guess it would help if we no lynch and scum refused to do any kills N2 and forward.
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How do you know he was inactive in 28 hours?BRBP wrote:
I was stupid. I thought the night was 24 hours (when it was actually something like 30+) and assumed there was no kill because LS was inactive that time. I didn't realize that it's beneficial to scum to do a no kill before LS said so.
I figured out what Lincolm meant as I was heading to sleep. It's not really a strategy that's that much worth it, as it already happens automatically when we're forced to make a decision in lylo, and as has already been stated the confirmed will just get NK'd anywway, and we'll have to do it all over again.
The only benefit to doing it in Mylo is that we can hear thoughts from a confirmed, and use those thoughts in making our decision, but it's still fairly risky, and even if we didn't use that we would know by the start of the next day.
@BRBP Some hosts actually allow pre-night kill PMs for scum, myself included on most of the games I host.
The only benefit to doing it in Mylo is that we can hear thoughts from a confirmed, and use those thoughts in making our decision, but it's still fairly risky, and even if we didn't use that we would know by the start of the next day.
@BRBP Some hosts actually allow pre-night kill PMs for scum, myself included on most of the games I host.
1. Personally, like I said before, I think the kill pool is between me and NH. Even though I survive tomorrow, I still believe it is between you and BRBP. It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.
2. If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill. Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.
At least, this was what I thought.
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@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
2. If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill. Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.
At least, this was what I thought.
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@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?Lincolm wrote:
If scum performed NoKill, there is a chance tomorrow will be NoKill also. What is the guarantee scum will kill tomorrow? Like I said before, if scum performed NoKill, NoLynch today only to prevent scum from NoKill action today, but there is no guarantee he will kill.
Lincolm wrote:
It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.
These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?Lincolm wrote:
Still, IMO LyLo is better for scum rather than town.
At least, this was what I thought.
NoHItter: I think he's town, but he's smart enough to pull off what he's doing if he were scum. (As I stated before.) He's not confirmed, but if he's scum I doubt we will win. The NoHItter scum possibility is mainly why I want to go to LyLo.Lincolm wrote:
@LS and BRBP : Read please. I mean, what do you think about other people.
BRBP: Hasn't posted much, as with me. Leaning scum at the moment, due to pretty much minor factors.
Lincolm: See above and below comments directed to you.
@Lincolm: Why do you prefer Mylo to LyLo (and think it's better for scum in Lylo than town?)
Never heard (or read that) before. Read that, kinda stupid, but seems my theory about MyLo's better is right.LadySuburu wrote:
Have you heard of http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after?
Kinda weird...
I already said it twice, I'm sure NH is 100% town.LadySuburu wrote:
These two together bug me a bit. If you think LyLo is better for scum than town, why doesn't it matter to you if we lynch today or tomorrow?
MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).LadySuburu wrote:
@Lincolm: Why do you prefer Mylo to LyLo (and think it's better for scum in Lylo than town?)
I don't get it with "see comment below". Do you need my answer first?
That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?BRBP wrote:
My 'choice' would probably be Lincolm. It's possible you were willing to risk bringing LS to L-1 because you're scum and already know NH is town and knew he wouldn't hammer. When I pointed out that it's not really helpful to risk it like that when the scum could just kill him the night after, you said you forgot. Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.
I prefer lynch now.
I prefer lynch now.
FTR, I think Lincolm is town for his actions yesterday, wanting to lynch the Jester instead of going for a coop win.
BRBP: Probably because for him, scum is either you and LS, and most likely since I'm going to die tonight, NL-ing wouldn't make a difference for his scum suspects.
Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?
I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.
If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.
If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
Even a town want to find the scum. I don't get you logic. Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum". Tell me again how I just fake scumhunting.BRBP wrote:
At least it would look like you're trying to help town / you're town, and it wouldn't cause any problems for you later if you were scum, since you could just kill him if we decide to no lynch.Lincolm wrote:
That's very stupid read. Why I prefer confirm NH as town today WHEN I could kill him at night?
Lincolm wrote:
Your logic basically already "Lincolm is 100% scum".
BRBP wrote:
Nothing too scummy, but it's the best lead I have at the moment.
It still you think I'm fake scumhunting because of something irrelevant.
Look, this is the chronology :
-I asked your read.
-You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario.
-I said it is stupid because why would I prefer confirmed NH rather than killed him last night.
-You said because I tried to gain towncreed by fake scumhunting.
-I said that even town want to scumhunting. And I asked you where I was fake scumhunting.
-Then you said (again) it isn't best lead now.
-I said basically your read is because I forgot the scenario, and your theory I was fake scumhunting is irrelevant with the scenario because (see below number 1)...
1. You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario. If I was scum, you think I was fake scumhunting because maybe I'm scum. Look I just asked, if I'm scum, where I was fake scumhunting? Does this not reinforce your read in me? I mean, you have me as leaning scum, this help your case in me. Why not do it? In other side, when I asked you where I was fake scumhunting, you just,"I will take a look at Lincolm and LS more".
2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
-I asked your read.
-You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario.
-I said it is stupid because why would I prefer confirmed NH rather than killed him last night.
-You said because I tried to gain towncreed by fake scumhunting.
-I said that even town want to scumhunting. And I asked you where I was fake scumhunting.
-Then you said (again) it isn't best lead now.
-I said basically your read is because I forgot the scenario, and your theory I was fake scumhunting is irrelevant with the scenario because (see below number 1)...
1. You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario. If I was scum, you think I was fake scumhunting because maybe I'm scum. Look I just asked, if I'm scum, where I was fake scumhunting? Does this not reinforce your read in me? I mean, you have me as leaning scum, this help your case in me. Why not do it? In other side, when I asked you where I was fake scumhunting, you just,"I will take a look at Lincolm and LS more".
2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.Lincolm wrote:
Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?
I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.
If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.
If he's the one killed, it puts the possibility out of my mind that he still is scum, and allows me to take his opinions at face value. I've already stated multiple times I believe he's smart enough to have done all of this as scum, as unlikely as it is.
If he's not the one killed, then I have the chance to go back and analyze all of the past conversations, and the posts of the person who is killed. Assuming it's not me, of course.
Also, unless I'm counting wrong day's ending soon. I don't see the reasoning for staying in MyLo as opposed to LyLo.
Vote: No Lynch
I already know what it means. I asked before, which theory do you think, scum forgot to send kill or action NoKill? I assumed by your answer is the latter, because you thought this can be ended with Happily Ever After.LadySuburu wrote:
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.
It's still stupid.
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?LadySuburu wrote:
As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.
4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?LadySuburu wrote:
Assuming it's not me, of course.
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.Lincolm wrote:
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.LadySuburu wrote:
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.LadySuburu wrote:
I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.Lincolm wrote:
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.I disagree about MyLo being better for town than LyLo. I disagree with pretty much all of your reasoning for lynching today.
Also, if you really want to know what I think, I think you're mafia. For someone who said:
It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.
Let's see, here's a full reread of you, I'll post my thoughts on things not touched above:
No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.Okay, so NL is a good idea, right? You change your mind later, see below.
MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)
I prefer lynch now.
I've heard your arguments for Lynching, but what changed your mind? I know you asked NH if he preffered MyLo with one "confirmed" or LyLo with none, but he didn't answer.
That's all I've got for now.
I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.LadySuburu wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.
And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!LadySuburu wrote:
You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.
Read that. The bold.Lincolm wrote:
No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.
NOW GIVE ME BETTER ARGUMENT.
I said it again, the mafia is performed the kill. And the one who have high chance to get killed is NoHitter and how is the differences with three of us + NoHitter which can provide anything TODAY? You only said NoHitter can be mafia, but YOU HAVE TOWNREAD IN HIM. It doesn't mean, "hey, I ever play with NoHitter, and he is too slick for me". Hey, then why don't try to provide something to the other players that you can trust more?LadySuburu wrote:
Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)
NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)LadySuburu wrote:
And this is really stupid for NoLynch.
I prefer lynch now.
I've heard your arguments for Lynching, but what changed your mind? I know you asked NH if he preffered MyLo with one "confirmed" or LyLo with none, but he didn't answer.
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Because NH prefer NoLynch, then "Let's go sheep NH" ? If he prefer it, it doesn't mean anything. Why need to call it any way?
You're quoting different post IN different situation. Learn to know that.
THE FIRST TIME, I think NL is to prevent NoKill, yes, if we just immediately NoLynch, then scum have another night.
THE LAST TIME, We all agree that NH is the towniest, which mean NH is the highest chance for the night target.
The fuck your case in me I don't even.
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Let's settle this. I think you're scum. BRBP is town even though I don't even get his read.
Vote : LS
Now this is just between you and me. 1 v 1. Even I survive until tomorrow, I am going to vote you whatever happen.
My scum suspects are currently either BRBP or LS, but I feel like I want to take a risk today.
I'll probably get killed tonight, so if possible I'm going to perform the same gambit Lincolm was planning to do for today.
Vote: LS
BRBP, if you're scum you'd likely hammer and end this game. If not then congratulations, you are confirmed town.
I'll probably get killed tonight, so if possible I'm going to perform the same gambit Lincolm was planning to do for today.
Vote: LS
BRBP, if you're scum you'd likely hammer and end this game. If not then congratulations, you are confirmed town.
BRBP wrote:
I don't agree lynching LS is a good idea.
Unvote
Congrats BRBP. You're confirmed town.
Congrats BRBP. You're confirmed town.
Actually why did I unvote.
I think LS is scum anyway.
Vote: LS
I think LS is scum anyway.
Vote: LS
Vote: No Lynch
I have work in 30m, just woke up.
At this point, now we're in the same situation as we would be in LyLo, with BRBP as the confirmed.
Now, No Lynch has no purpose with BRBP confirmed, but we're really rather close to deadline.
As for what would've happened tomorrow before BRBP's confirmation, Scum either NKs or No Kills. If they No Kill, we No Lynch again. Again, at this point it's a waste.
Deadline is soon, and I have work to go to. Not sure if it'll still be going by the time I get back.
Hopefully, I'm not choosing wrong, and NH can see where I'm coming from. If you're scum NH, well played.
Vote: Lincolm
Hope I'm not dead when I get back from work, since NH and Linc can just sit on those votes and I'll be the one lynched.
BRBP: You have the choice of confirming NH too, which IMO you might as well, as your No Lynch vote won't do anything unless the both of them switch to it, and NLing at this point just means you're going to be NKed since you're confirmed now.
If NH hammers, gg. If not, then at least my vote's already in the right spot. It's your choice, but as I'm being auto-hammered at deadline, I figure might as well.
At this point, now we're in the same situation as we would be in LyLo, with BRBP as the confirmed.
I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.Can we trust NH? We now know BRBP is town. NH is posting sparecly with little reasoning, and took a backseat to our argument.
Now, No Lynch has no purpose with BRBP confirmed, but we're really rather close to deadline.
And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!From the start of D2 I've said I will be voting No Lynch. I'm pretty sure that implies that I disagree with lynching.
As for what would've happened tomorrow before BRBP's confirmation, Scum either NKs or No Kills. If they No Kill, we No Lynch again. Again, at this point it's a waste.
Because NH prefer NoLynch, then "Let's go sheep NH" ? If he prefer it, it doesn't mean anything. Why need to call it any way?Again, you asked his opinion after having stated NL was a good idea. Also, why in the world would we immediately NoLynch? If you're going to NoLynch again, you always want to take the full day for discussion.
You're quoting different post IN different situation. Learn to know that.
THE FIRST TIME, I think NL is to prevent NoKill, yes, if we just immediately NoLynch, then scum have another night.
THE LAST TIME, We all agree that NH is the towniest, which mean NH is the highest chance for the night target.
Deadline is soon, and I have work to go to. Not sure if it'll still be going by the time I get back.
Hopefully, I'm not choosing wrong, and NH can see where I'm coming from. If you're scum NH, well played.
Vote: Lincolm
Hope I'm not dead when I get back from work, since NH and Linc can just sit on those votes and I'll be the one lynched.
BRBP: You have the choice of confirming NH too, which IMO you might as well, as your No Lynch vote won't do anything unless the both of them switch to it, and NLing at this point just means you're going to be NKed since you're confirmed now.
If NH hammers, gg. If not, then at least my vote's already in the right spot. It's your choice, but as I'm being auto-hammered at deadline, I figure might as well.