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Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Look, this is the chronology :
-I asked your read.
-You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario.
-I said it is stupid because why would I prefer confirmed NH rather than killed him last night.
-You said because I tried to gain towncreed by fake scumhunting.
-I said that even town want to scumhunting. And I asked you where I was fake scumhunting.
-Then you said (again) it isn't best lead now.
-I said basically your read is because I forgot the scenario, and your theory I was fake scumhunting is irrelevant with the scenario because (see below number 1)...

1. You have me as leaning scum because I forgot the scenario. If I was scum, you think I was fake scumhunting because maybe I'm scum. Look I just asked, if I'm scum, where I was fake scumhunting? Does this not reinforce your read in me? I mean, you have me as leaning scum, this help your case in me. Why not do it? In other side, when I asked you where I was fake scumhunting, you just,"I will take a look at Lincolm and LS more".

2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

Now is very stupid. Everyone said NH is town, why we are going to LyLo?

I don't even know why "Oh let's NL" when everyone agree there is one town is towniest.

If you suggest "Let's Happily Ever After", do you guarantee scum want to do it?
Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.

As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.

If he's the one killed, it puts the possibility out of my mind that he still is scum, and allows me to take his opinions at face value. I've already stated multiple times I believe he's smart enough to have done all of this as scum, as unlikely as it is.

If he's not the one killed, then I have the chance to go back and analyze all of the past conversations, and the posts of the person who is killed. Assuming it's not me, of course.

Also, unless I'm counting wrong day's ending soon. I don't see the reasoning for staying in MyLo as opposed to LyLo.

Vote: No Lynch
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

Happily ever after is a detterant to scum continuing to not send a kill in. If they want to kill then we get what we want, and if they don't, then they don't win.
I already know what it means. I asked before, which theory do you think, scum forgot to send kill or action NoKill? I assumed by your answer is the latter, because you thought this can be ended with Happily Ever After.

It's still stupid.

LadySuburu wrote:

As I've stated before, I want to nolynch because while I believe NoHItter is town, he is not confirmed.
Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?

4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?

LadySuburu wrote:

Assuming it's not me, of course.
Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

Then if it is you, how do you tell us what you find in the back? Why not analyze all of the conversation now and tell us what you find?
I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.

Do you even need confirmed scum to vote scum? What are you going to do in LyLo if there is a kill and you're survive?

4 Person - 3 Person agree 1 person is town - why do we even need No Lynch?
I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

I was talking about re-analyzing conversations after an alignment flip. There's a lot more you can find even in a 1 Scum game.
I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.

LadySuburu wrote:

I've answered this about three times now at least. If you can't understand my explanation then there's no point in continuing on about it. I'm still going to vote No Lynch.
And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

I'm talking about what if you're not survive tomorrow. Seems you're sure you're going to survive.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.

And I already said it more than 3 times without your opinion about mine.
I disagree about MyLo being better for town than LyLo. I disagree with pretty much all of your reasoning for lynching today.

Also, if you really want to know what I think, I think you're mafia. For someone who said:

It doesn't matter for me if we want to lynch today or tomorrow.
You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.


Let's see, here's a full reread of you, I'll post my thoughts on things not touched above:

No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.
Okay, so NL is a good idea, right? You change your mind later, see below.

MyLo have 3 towns. The chance of scum quickhammer is greatly decreased rather than LyLo. In the MyLo, the discussion generates more rather than LyLo. As I see, LyLo usually ended fast rather than MyLo (I have seen twice MyLo condition, but not in the game, once in the MyLo (in this web, as my second game mafia)).
Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)

And this is really stupid for NoLynch.

I prefer lynch now.
NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)

I've heard your arguments for Lynching, but what changed your mind? I know you asked NH if he preffered MyLo with one "confirmed" or LyLo with none, but he didn't answer.




That's all I've got for now.
Lincolm
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Lincolm

LadySuburu wrote:

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my death as a possibility multiple times. I'm also pretty sure that all of us have said that NH is very likely the one who would be NK'd.
I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.

LadySuburu wrote:

You've been really rather adamant that we lynch today, and saying the other option is stupid, over and over.
And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!

Lincolm wrote:

No Lynch is still good idea as this prevent scum to act "no kill", though I'm p sure 100% NoHitter is town for this.
Read that. The bold.

NOW GIVE ME BETTER ARGUMENT.

LadySuburu wrote:

Yes, and LyLo gives chance for discussion AFTER MyLo. Yes, Lylo ends quicker than MyLo because if one townie puts a wrong vote out the scum hammers. However, any decent player will wait until they're sure to do that. In addition, having three unconfirmed towns (even IF we think that one of them is extremely likely to be town) is worse than two towns, and a dead townie that we can take their posts for face value. (In MyLo vs LyLo)
I said it again, the mafia is performed the kill. And the one who have high chance to get killed is NoHitter and how is the differences with three of us + NoHitter which can provide anything TODAY? You only said NoHitter can be mafia, but YOU HAVE TOWNREAD IN HIM. It doesn't mean, "hey, I ever play with NoHitter, and he is too slick for me". Hey, then why don't try to provide something to the other players that you can trust more?

LadySuburu wrote:

And this is really stupid for NoLynch.

I prefer lynch now.
NH voted No Lynch at start, so I assume he prefers it. (Though, he's being oddly non-vocal in our discussion, starting to poke at my fear of NH scum.)

I've heard your arguments for Lynching, but what changed your mind? I know you asked NH if he preffered MyLo with one "confirmed" or LyLo with none, but he didn't answer.
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Because NH prefer NoLynch, then "Let's go sheep NH" ? If he prefer it, it doesn't mean anything. Why need to call it any way?

You're quoting different post IN different situation. Learn to know that.

THE FIRST TIME, I think NL is to prevent NoKill, yes, if we just immediately NoLynch, then scum have another night.
THE LAST TIME, We all agree that NH is the towniest, which mean NH is the highest chance for the night target.

The fuck your case in me I don't even.

=

Let's settle this. I think you're scum. BRBP is town even though I don't even get his read.

Vote : LS

Now this is just between you and me. 1 v 1. Even I survive until tomorrow, I am going to vote you whatever happen.
VoidnOwO
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NoHitter
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My scum suspects are currently either BRBP or LS, but I feel like I want to take a risk today.
I'll probably get killed tonight, so if possible I'm going to perform the same gambit Lincolm was planning to do for today.

Vote: LS
BRBP, if you're scum you'd likely hammer and end this game. If not then congratulations, you are confirmed town.
VoidnOwO
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BRBP wrote:

I don't agree lynching LS is a good idea.
NoHitter
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Unvote

Congrats BRBP. You're confirmed town.
NoHitter
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Actually why did I unvote.
I think LS is scum anyway.
Vote: LS
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
Vote: No Lynch
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
I have work in 30m, just woke up.

At this point, now we're in the same situation as we would be in LyLo, with BRBP as the confirmed.

I'm pretty sure you know that the one who will perform the kill is mafia, not town. The highest probability is NH, but like I said, what is the guarantee of it? If mafia really performed night kill yesterday, there is a chance he will night kill again. So, Happy Every After? Pretty sure that is idiot when we have one person we can trust as town.
Can we trust NH? We now know BRBP is town. NH is posting sparecly with little reasoning, and took a backseat to our argument.

Now, No Lynch has no purpose with BRBP confirmed, but we're really rather close to deadline.

And yet, you're very adamant that our NL will be GOOD for town, WITHOUT any disagreement with my opinion UNTIL NOW. What is your guarantee for that? How do you know what is going to happen tomorrow?!
From the start of D2 I've said I will be voting No Lynch. I'm pretty sure that implies that I disagree with lynching.

As for what would've happened tomorrow before BRBP's confirmation, Scum either NKs or No Kills. If they No Kill, we No Lynch again. Again, at this point it's a waste.

Because NH prefer NoLynch, then "Let's go sheep NH" ? If he prefer it, it doesn't mean anything. Why need to call it any way?

You're quoting different post IN different situation. Learn to know that.

THE FIRST TIME, I think NL is to prevent NoKill, yes, if we just immediately NoLynch, then scum have another night.
THE LAST TIME, We all agree that NH is the towniest, which mean NH is the highest chance for the night target.
Again, you asked his opinion after having stated NL was a good idea. Also, why in the world would we immediately NoLynch? If you're going to NoLynch again, you always want to take the full day for discussion.


Deadline is soon, and I have work to go to. Not sure if it'll still be going by the time I get back.

Hopefully, I'm not choosing wrong, and NH can see where I'm coming from. If you're scum NH, well played.

Vote: Lincolm


Hope I'm not dead when I get back from work, since NH and Linc can just sit on those votes and I'll be the one lynched.

BRBP: You have the choice of confirming NH too, which IMO you might as well, as your No Lynch vote won't do anything unless the both of them switch to it, and NLing at this point just means you're going to be NKed since you're confirmed now.

If NH hammers, gg. If not, then at least my vote's already in the right spot. It's your choice, but as I'm being auto-hammered at deadline, I figure might as well.
VoidnOwO
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Vote: Lincolm

;__;
NoHitter
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No I am not scum
NoHitter
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So BRBP, it comes down to who we think is scummier.
Lincolm or LS.
Lincolm
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Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Look, if town lose because of hammering me, I prefer it is today. I don't want because NoLynch, then LS have the opportunity to kill, then we are losing. At least this is the game I seek for (and my read in day 2 is 100% accurate, I'm glad with that), which it is very fun for me.

Even though like you said, NoHitter isn't confirmed, I like to ask you, do we need something ABSOLUTELY confirmed town or scum to believe that he is town or scum? BRBP never seen one (because he is newbie), so I think it is natural.

As I can said, BRBP believe I'm scum because I have a lot of interaction with many person without try to ask me something and justify his read. It's sad, you know.

LadySuburu wrote:

Can we trust NH? We now know BRBP is town. NH is posting sparecly with little reasoning, and took a backseat to our argument.
And yet, you NEVER try to interact with NH. If you paranoid with NH, why you never try to clear it? Look, you said he took a backseat which I agree, but I believe NH is 100% town since the start of day 2. (I have one of my game which I ignore my own "confirmed" town when he is fence-sitting, cause I believed he is 100% town) Yet, you believe NH is town with paranoid WITHOUT TRY TO INTERACT WITH NH.

LadySuburu wrote:

As for what would've happened tomorrow before BRBP's confirmation, Scum either NKs or No Kills. If they No Kill, we No Lynch again. Again, at this point it's a waste.
This is the part I believe you're scum since you told this. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE SCUM WANT TO "HAPPILY EVER AFTER" EXCEPT YOU ARE THE SCUM. In other side, I believe you tried to negotiate this to town.

In the link you give, I read the game where the scum have a big chance of winning, but he prefer got in the history of mafia. Well, I guess that was worth it, but why I should believe scum in here want Happily Ever After? The point that you agree if there is NoKill, then we must NoLynch which it is leading to Happily Ever After. Which YOU SUGGEST TO TOWN TO HAPPILY EVER AFTER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO KILL.

LadySuburu wrote:

Again, you asked his opinion after having stated NL was a good idea. Also, why in the world would we immediately NoLynch? If you're going to NoLynch again, you always want to take the full day for discussion.
If the mafia performed NoKill and we immediately NoLynch, what do you think mafia will do? There is only 2 scenario, he will kill because the previous day, which he didn't have any idea who to kill like before, or not. Which this is better rather than have discussion first, AND HE HAD TARGET TO KILL.

I bet NoHitter knew this, that's why he voted NL first. As myself thought, this is only prevent from NoKill which mafia chose (if mafia wanted to win of course), other side I believe NH is 100% town because of this, which in my view there is no point in NLing.

Am I take this day WITHOUT full of discussion? Tell me where.

=

Lincolm wrote:

2. Your theory maybe I'm scum with NoLynch yesterday, who still want to lynch between you and LS, but later I will kill NH because NoLynch that I don't even push it. I mean, this isn't match at all, why I even in scum pile? Look, in the start of day 2, I already state NH is 100% town in my view of point. The only scenario if I'm scum, I want MyLo condition and lynch between you and LS because both of you are town. I don't even know why I need confirm NH as town if I'm scum, because I already chose MyLo condition for my sake, really.
Really, this is the night kill analyze and town need to read this because "Lincolm / NoHitter is scum" is illogical to the highest level according to the NoKill of night action.

=

As I can said, I believe BRBP is town because of this, this one is quiet strong town minded with newbie mind inside and this one, which NH and I already state that the scum between LS and BRBP, but immediately he jump to LS, which isn't newb scum mind, and this with this is sustainable town minded which he is double checking for the night action.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Lincolm (2) - LadySuburu, BRBP (L - 1)
LadySuburu (1) - NoHItter

deadline extended by 24 hours
current deadline is 8/9 8:00 GMT (14:59 from now)
sorry for delay, I was really busy and away from home due to some things.. I can give another extension if desirable
NoHitter
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NoHitter
err mod?
Lincolm voted LS before I did, and way before LS and BRBP voted him.

Vote count should be:
LadySuburu (2) - Lincolm, NoHitter
Lincolm (2) - LadySuburu, BRBP
pieguyn
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pieguyn
crap, my miss, sorry > <

LadySuburu (2) - Lincolm, NoHItter (L - 1)
Lincolm (2) - LadySuburu, BRBP (L - 1)
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Work is a pain in the ass, and I don't have the energy to argue my point any more. If I haven't convinced NH to change his vote I'm not going to be able to by deadline.

I'd rather we just let lincolm win and move on to another mini game at this point. I've not really seen why NH considers him town anyway, other than one comment about his actions against the jester D1, which once the jester's announced like that the only option for scum is to lynch him that day anyway, because town will realize that they have to lynch him. If scum were to do anything BUT lynch him he'd just reveal himself.

But yeah, no energy to argue. I can self-hammer and end it if you guys (Not lincolm) want me to, since this day's been going on forever.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Then how it is make me a scum? I just wanted to lynch Jester because I don't want her in LyLo if we mislynched yesterday. How is "town would lynch jester" when BRBP didn't even vote NH even though NH already claim?

The way "I have no energy to argue / I'm busy, so I posted AtE / Role Claim" usually done by scum if you want to know, which tempering town to doubt their CORRECT choice when the scum even not in here. I can give you an example of this if you want.

I already said many times I think NH is town and I don't want to change it. I already said the reason also. At least give me the answer "how I pushed lynch today because I think NH is town" is scummy for you.

I already told the way I thought, which you think it looked like "contradict" (but it isn't), and I don't even see you argued it. If it is because how I wrote it, then said it, I will like to tell it again.
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Lincolm
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Lincolm
I think you never seen one how someone sure about someone is town, like what I'm done in here. I can give you three example of my game where I ever did that, unfortunately all of them where I was town.

I don't even know how it makes me scummy.
NoHitter
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This is exactly the type of argument I expect you to say LS.
I'm going to stick with my gut here.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Lincolm wrote:

The way "I have no energy to argue / I'm busy, so I posted AtE / Role Claim" usually done by scum if you want to know, which tempering town to doubt their CORRECT choice when the scum even not in here. I can give you an example of this if you want.
NH should know me better than he's acting in this thread. Slightly dissapointed.

Also, yes you did contradict yourself, and It'll be obvious once day ends.

Deadline's hit, and I don't want another extension. I want to move onto Lucid Dreamers, and NH has stated he's sticking with what he's doing.

Vote: LadySuburu

GG Lincolm, you win.
LadySuburu
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EBWOP: Scum + NH voting for me with me first on lynch list. Even with an extension NH has stated he's sticking with his gut, so this self-hammer is just no-extension insurance.

GG though guys.
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Lincolm
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Lincolm

BRBP wrote:

You don't know me.

;)
God, is this a confession of trolling scum? Now I fell so wrong.
NoHitter
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LS we all got trolled by BRBP I think.
NoHitter
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That being said, why didn't you hammer LS?
That was just extending the day...
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Lincolm
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It is impossible for ninja unvote when NH did gambit, which impossible to unvote, both of us stuck with our vote, and you're "confirmed" town.

I really hate trolling scum. Well, at least there is confession after the hammer. I fell sorry that BRBP will be "never" going to confirmed town in MyLo and LyLo since this lol.

I wonder why you No Kill last night?

Well, the game indeed fun though, sorry about LS. :(

(Really, No Kill was stupid for NH and me if we are scum. Night Action Analyze please)
pieguyn
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LadySuburu (3) - Lincolm, NoHItter, LadySuburu
Lincolm (1) - BRBP

everyone was arguing between LadySuburu and Lincolm when suddenly LadySuburu blatantly suicided. They just shrugged it off and walked away.

LadySuburu - VT - lynched D2

Then they realized on N2, "wait, VT? aw crap..."

next thing they knew, the sun had rose and the mafia was out slaughtering everyone.

Lincolm - VT - endgamed D3
NoHItter - VT - endgamed D3

BRBP - Mafia Goon - WINNER

thanks for joining in my experiment everyone :D if I do it again, either I'll put more players, or end if the jester gets lynched, or both :P

not much to report on actions since BRBP didn't kill anyone N1 0.0
Sakura
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At least i won anyways :P

You forgot to mention, my action N0 was to throw confetti at everyone.
LadySuburu
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NoHitter wrote:

LS we all got trolled by BRBP I think.
This is why I prefer real confirmations, uncertanties are always uncertain. ;_;

Ah well.

GG all, and my apologies Lincolm.
NoHitter
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Honestly though LS, if BRBP hammered he would have won. You don't expect scum not to follow wincon.
Raging Bull
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To have scum as confirmed town and then have the option to hammer anyone. Damnit. How to scum.
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