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i love that fireworks <3tyrael6192 wrote:
that new corki skin art <3 haven't seen it in game yet, but dang
Annie particles are so cool, especially frostfire Annie. That blue fire *_*
Panda Annie looks so adorable. And her recall is just so....hnnnng~ Panda hug.
get first blood vs akali as riven
get accused of hacks because i can 'see through stealth'
endgame "gg game won by a hacker hope you're proud"
get accused of hacks because i can 'see through stealth'
endgame "gg game won by a hacker hope you're proud"
It's obvious you spammed Q in the Twilight shroud, right? I mean, that Akali was so noob, you can't hide with the W if you're vsing Riven loltyrael6192 wrote:
get first blood vs akali as riven
get accused of hacks because i can 'see through stealth'
endgame "gg game won by a hacker hope you're proud"
holy..... *_*Hakeru wrote:
Sona new splash just hnghhhh much;;;
Aye, stunned, ignited, spam q in shroud. das hax tho u cant do thatThunderHat wrote:
It's obvious you spammed Q in the Twilight shroud, right? I mean, that Akali was so noob, you can't hide with the W if you're vsing Riven lol
how to use Elise's E ugh
I used to get stuff like this a lot. Warwick is so under played that people don't know that his E gives true vision in bushes and fog of war. loltyrael6192 wrote:
get first blood vs akali as riven
get accused of hacks because i can 'see through stealth'
endgame "gg game won by a hacker hope you're proud"
People hack this game? o_Otyrael6192 wrote:
get first blood vs akali as riven
get accused of hacks because i can 'see through stealth'
endgame "gg game won by a hacker hope you're proud"
No hahaha, never seen anyone do it since dr terrible back whenever with the 100% cdr on flash... this game seems pretty hack-proof tbh oO makes it all the more silly that she would assume i was hacking
I'm shocked at how stupid the League community is sometimes...tyrael6192 wrote:
No hahaha, never seen anyone do it since dr terrible back whenever with the 100% cdr on flash... this game seems pretty hack-proof tbh oO makes it all the more silly that she would assume i was hacking
You get used to it
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
Well, any free online strategy game is a retard magnet, but in LoL you can just avoid those by being a good player and playing ranked gamestyrael6192 wrote:
You get used to it
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
lol'dThunderHat wrote:
Well, any free online strategy game is a retard magnet, but in LoL you can just avoid those by being a good player and playing ranked gamestyrael6192 wrote:
You get used to it
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
Any game is a retard magnet. I point specifically to WoW.tyrael6192 wrote:
You get used to it
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
A game retard magnetic power is related to how newbie friendly it is, sadly most games are. 
NikFreaX
No.ThunderHat wrote:
Well, any free online strategy game is a retard magnet, but in LoL you can just avoid those by being a good player and playing ranked gamestyrael6192 wrote:
You get used to it
It's like the retard magnet of the gaming world
I've never played ranked (and I'm not even level 30), so I could be wrong, but wouldn't ranked just mean you're playing for a rating?
In no way do League players need to be 'good' to start ranked, it's just about longevity.
In no way do League players need to be 'good' to start ranked, it's just about longevity.
what happens is people want to win so there's kind of an element of forced cooperation... you won't instalock quite as often because it just jeopardizes your chances of winning, and you won't go all out troll modeJustykanna wrote:
I've never played ranked (and I'm not even level 30), so I could be wrong, but wouldn't ranked just mean you're playing for a rating?
In no way do League players need to be 'good' to start ranked, it's just about longevity.
but semi-repressing your urge to be a cunt isn't the same thing as being nice so tl;dr everyone is still a cunt
also my point is it's more noticeable in league (and therefore other moba games or team games) because you actually have to rely to an extent on the randoms you get matched with in order to win, as opposed to games that are ffa and such
http://www.lolsummoners.com/search?regi ... =sakujoyou
great website to keep track of your progress since there is no ranking system on the official website.
great website to keep track of your progress since there is no ranking system on the official website.
I usually play normal with three or four friends so I'm probably not exposed to the general community as much as others have.tyrael6192 wrote:
what happens is people want to win so there's kind of an element of forced cooperation... you won't instalock quite as often because it just jeopardizes your chances of winning, and you won't go all out troll mode
but semi-repressing your urge to be a cunt isn't the same thing as being nice so tl;dr everyone is still a cunt
also my point is it's more noticeable in league (and therefore other moba games or team games) because you actually have to rely to an extent on the randoms you get matched with in order to win, as opposed to games that are ffa and such
Yeah, you do have to rely on randoms, so point taken.
If you can avoid solo queue with premade games then do it. Solo queue is awful most of the time.
That's why my friends and I prefer doing such. Randoms make things annoying.Vulf wrote:
If you can avoid solo queue with premade games then do it. Solo queue is awful most of the time.
Nope. This was posted on the NA forums last year. From what i remember it was a contest thing.
However, there is a new champion that's underway. I think it falls under the name of Quinn / Quin, assumed to be a Demacian counterpart of Swain. And an AD Carry. This is just what I heard, though.
Looks like Nasus+Anivia put together in a Mixer. LOLHakeru wrote:
http://www.elohell.net/chill/211548
new champion? i don't even--
looks like Ra, one of egipcian's god
That's the idea. I'm all for another egyptian god based champion, but sadly this is fan made.GeeNX wrote:
looks like Ra, one of egipcian's god
i see :/ , i think it would be nice if riot make a champ based on greek myth
Cassiopeia = MedusaHakeru wrote:
i see :/ , i think it would be nice if riot make a champ based on greek myth
?
ikr , but i want more lol
NikFreaX wrote:
Oh, how I wish that was true.ThunderHat wrote:
but in LoL you can just avoid those by being a good player and playing ranked games
But it is.
Sure I occasionally enjoy 5s with close friends or people from the /v/ chat but solo queue is becoming fun for me as well. Every game with and against diamond players, couple of famous names here and there and the games are challenging and fun. Though there are known trolls which I try to avoid by dodging(you barely lose any LP) ranked solo is basically the place I go to improve while having fun.
zerothefallen
@Hakeru: Yeah me too, not just greek, other ones from others mythologies, like from vikings, though olaf is from there, but could be others too, anyways that champs are funny...and I dont know, I think riot could do a champ every 2 months or that based on fan's idea, most voted ones, or something like that, the idea that WE , players, could help designing a champ, I think would be so nice, they do like 2 , 3 champs then 1 with some ideas from gamers, I think would be nice though riot is totally
Money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
Sadly
Money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
Sadly
I added you to my Friends List, Agnes.Agnes wrote:
Anyway, Zero and I here are likely to play some normals today. Does anybody wish to join us later? We're in NA and PBE.
Poke me if you decide to go and I'm around (and you want an extra body) =P.
zerothefallen
YOU BELONG IN A MUSEUMAgnes wrote:
'ay 'ayzerothefallen wrote:
sona confirmed for taking 7/8 of Ez's kills
I think she belongs in a museum.
i don't mean to kill people; they shouldn't be standing still
Anyway, Zero and I here are likely to play some normals today. Does anybody wish to join us later? We're in NA and PBE.
I'd be fine with them not making any new champions at all for a few months. They really need to take the time to fix some of the champions that are just plain awful eg warwick, karma, heimer, sion, gangplank and poppy (just to name a few) will never see competitive play with how nonviable they are. "Money > People" that may be true, but there is also a thing called powercreep that can easily sneak up and do some damage to a games population. With the recent champions that have come out there is basically no reason to play some of the older ones unless your trying to fill a niche role. Why should I be reported, and called a troll for playing my favorite champions? lolGeeNX wrote:
@Hakeru: Yeah me too, not just greek, other ones from others mythologies, like from vikings, though olaf is from there, but could be others too, anyways that champs are funny...and I dont know, I think riot could do a champ every 2 months or that based on fan's idea, most voted ones, or something like that, the idea that WE , players, could help designing a champ, I think would be so nice, they do like 2 , 3 champs then 1 with some ideas from gamers, I think would be nice though riot is totally
Money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
Sadly
Also there are tons of champions that they can make skins for so it's not like they will lose a lot of revenue for slowing champion releases.
zerothefallen
Ww is fine.Vulf wrote:
I'd be fine with them not making any new champions at all for a few months. They really need to take the time to fix some of the champions that are just plain awful eg warwick, karma, heimer, sion, gangplank and poppy (just to name a few) will never see competitive play with how nonviable they are. "Money > People" that may be true, but there is also a thing called powercreep that can easily sneak up and do some damage to a games population. With the recent champions that have come out there is basically no reason to play some of the older ones unless your trying to fill a niche role. Why should I be reported, and called a troll for playing my favorite champions? lolGeeNX wrote:
@Hakeru: Yeah me too, not just greek, other ones from others mythologies, like from vikings, though olaf is from there, but could be others too, anyways that champs are funny...and I dont know, I think riot could do a champ every 2 months or that based on fan's idea, most voted ones, or something like that, the idea that WE , players, could help designing a champ, I think would be so nice, they do like 2 , 3 champs then 1 with some ideas from gamers, I think would be nice though riot is totally
Money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
Sadly
Also there are tons of champions that they can make skins for so it's not like they will lose a lot of revenue for slowing champion releases.
All of them are viable, you just can't play them properly. Pros don't use them because there are other champs that do their job better. Viable in the pro scene =/= viable in general.Vulf wrote:
warwick, karma, heimer, sion, gangplank and poppy
With over 1000 games with Warwick I can tell you he isn't in a good spot right now. He is getting a buff according to morello, but i'm not sure how long that will take. He was indirectly nerfed with S3 changes.
Karma, Sion and Heimer (confirmed by riot) are getting a rework, but it probably won't be for a bit much like the twitch and eve reworks took over a year.
Karma, Sion and Heimer (confirmed by riot) are getting a rework, but it probably won't be for a bit much like the twitch and eve reworks took over a year.
ww buff soon(tm)
I think it's because his clear is mediocre, and pretty bad later on into the game because he has no aoe
also because his ultimate is game changing for mid game but then does nothing late game because it does nothing in team fights if your opponents have any cc
I think it's because his clear is mediocre, and pretty bad later on into the game because he has no aoe
also because his ultimate is game changing for mid game but then does nothing late game because it does nothing in team fights if your opponents have any cc
His clear is below average, and his pre 6 ganks are terrible cause you have to rely on your lanes to have some sort of stun to get a successful gank (people literally walk away from you pre 6 lol). He has good sustain. His first clear leaves you with about 90%+ hp, but this is a terrible trade off with how bad his clear speed and pre 6 ganks are. Yes any cc will basically cancel his ult. He has been played in so few amount of games that the bug on his ult (that has been there for over a year now) hasn't been fixed or even acknowledged by riot yet. He also has one of the lowest mana pools in the game ( 3 Q's and your out of mana). 90% of the items he builds got nerfed in season 3 with a gold cost increase. This is already bad for a jungler who can be starved for gold easily. Lanewick is too niche to play above 1500 elo.WishfulFiction wrote:
ww buff soon(tm)
I think it's because his clear is mediocre, and pretty bad later on into the game because he has no aoe
also because his ultimate is game changing for mid game but then does nothing late game because it does nothing in team fights if your opponents have any cc
I think riot is going to rework him. Some of his kit is outdated ( his E for example) compared to a lot of the newer stuff that has come out since 2012.
i do agree, the only thing i liked about WW is his sustain and ult (his autos are so annoying to play with)Vulf wrote:
His clear is below average, and his pre 6 ganks are terrible cause you have to rely on your lanes to have some sort of stun to get a successful gank (people literally walk away from you pre 6 lol). He has good sustain. His first clear leaves you with about 90%+ hp, but this is a terrible trade off with how bad his clear speed and pre 6 ganks are. Yes any cc will basically cancel his ult. He has been played in so few amount of games that the bug on his ult (that has been there for over a year now) hasn't been fixed or even acknowledged by riot yet. He also has one of the lowest mana pools in the game ( 3 Q's and your out of mana). 90% of the items he builds got nerfed in season 3 with a gold cost increase. This is already bad for a jungler who can be starved for gold easily. Lanewick is too niche to play above 1500 elo.WishfulFiction wrote:
ww buff soon(tm)
I think it's because his clear is mediocre, and pretty bad later on into the game because he has no aoe
also because his ultimate is game changing for mid game but then does nothing late game because it does nothing in team fights if your opponents have any cc
I think riot is going to rework him. Some of his kit is outdated ( his E for example) compared to a lot of the newer stuff that has come out since 2012.
count me in o/Agnes wrote:
Anyway, Zero and I here are likely to play some normals today. Does anybody wish to join us later? We're in NA and PBE.
His sustain is only good if he is ignored. With 3+ ignites in every game now he has a hard time doing what his kit is meant to do, and that is fine since it's a counter anyways.brikepicness wrote:
i do agree, the only thing i liked about WW is his sustain and ult (his autos are so annoying to play with)
6 items WW is retarded, lol.
Frozen Fist, Warmogs, Sunfire, Blotrk(gives AS now as well), Merc's and Randuin's. He will stick to the enemy AD and won't stop until he is dead. Only problem is getting to that point. His clear is bad, his pre 6 ganks are bad and his teamfights pre 6 items is mediocre.
Frozen Fist, Warmogs, Sunfire, Blotrk(gives AS now as well), Merc's and Randuin's. He will stick to the enemy AD and won't stop until he is dead. Only problem is getting to that point. His clear is bad, his pre 6 ganks are bad and his teamfights pre 6 items is mediocre.
1onz
Many people don't realize this but WW is a really strong pick against Elise top. Everyone else pretty much gets dumped on by solo top elise. WW can pretty much sustain all of Elise's poke with his Q early and survive lane phase enough to buy chalice on first buy. Even though his jungle is close to garbage, you can still use him pretty well in solo lanes and have some success. If WW gets decent farm then he can 1v1 Elise pretty easily. His post 6 ganks on mid lane are huge, if you have a burst AP mid, can usually burn summoners or get a kill every time your ult is up mid. Oh, and this isn't some random Bronze game lol, I've seen and played versus this first hand at Diamond V-III.
The new botrk will be decent on him now that it gives stats he wants. He can only use half of that item currently lol.
He wins certain match ups top. Thing with elise is her early game is way better than his and she out ranges him by a lot but when you hit 4 it's about even. He is very niche for top lane especially when 2 wards 9 pots is a thing now.
I hope the buff he gets isn't some number change cause that will probably just get him nerfed again.
He wins certain match ups top. Thing with elise is her early game is way better than his and she out ranges him by a lot but when you hit 4 it's about even. He is very niche for top lane especially when 2 wards 9 pots is a thing now.
I hope the buff he gets isn't some number change cause that will probably just get him nerfed again.
Vulf wrote:
The new botrk will be decent on him now that it gives stats he wants. He can only use half of that item currently lol.
He wins certain match ups top. Thing with elise is her early game is way better than his and she out ranges him by a lot but when you hit 4 it's about even. He is very niche for top lane especially when 2 wards 9 pots is a thing now.
I hope the buff he gets isn't some number change cause that will probably just get him nerfed again.
True, the funny thing is that now i hardy see any WW players at all '~'
I've seen very few in normal.brikepicness wrote:
True, the funny thing is that now i hardy see any WW players at all '~'
Saw one today and I don't even remember when before that.
He is played in less than 5% of all games and has less than a 50% win rate. The only people that are playing him are the few who main him, and the pre 30 people who want to learn the jungle cause he is one of the few junglers who can clear without runes.
the new BORK is broken.
Sadly 99% of people on PBE are bad players so they can²t pick up retarded OP items off the bat, just like preseason 3 black cleaver, it²s beyond me how that item even got through PBE.
Sadly 99% of people on PBE are bad players so they can²t pick up retarded OP items off the bat, just like preseason 3 black cleaver, it²s beyond me how that item even got through PBE.
It's only broken with how common health stacking is. If you build armor instead of health botRK is still a mediocre item. Health should have never been a go to for single resist throughout the entire game. Now that botrk will actually punish warmog stackers people will start building the proper resist to things again. I am happy with this change.
Dem Kha killed me three times. -.-
Sad we won after I bought hydra's, I just could test it for feew time, anyways, KASS OP that nida, I got dced like 4 times in the game, my internet is going so bad for 2 weeks...meh, instant dc, and 5 sec later come again
Hydra is melee only though, how does it work?
It's been a really long time since i've gotten this fed as jungle Warwick.
Any cool updates I should be aware of in this game since I quit last year?
Should read new champions and item changes for season 3... that's about it.
Also jungle changes if you play jungle.
Also jungle changes if you play jungle.
those, kassadin is melee so np about hydra xD I kill people with W and muramana, without W too, so stronk xD
Oh should've checked you were referring to Kass
ya, i thought you were talking about fiddlesticksthose wrote:
Oh should've checked you were referring to Kass
They over buffed Nasus. He has been so bad for the past 2 years that I'm okay with it. lol
try iceborn gauntlet instead of infinity edge
Try black cleaver instead of last whisper, or I am not sure about this one, but there are much better items than LW to nasus
always in my oppinion ofc
Try black cleaver instead of last whisper, or I am not sure about this one, but there are much better items than LW to nasus
always in my oppinion ofc
Went IE cuz i was so far ahead, don't need slow from gauntlet if i can 3-shot them~
i should try playing more ad, it was my most proficient role in S2 (shifted to mid)
i should try playing more ad, it was my most proficient role in S2 (shifted to mid)
Quick question regarding Galio!
I lack a support character in my pool of champions that I have bought (almost all of mine are bruisers or tanks), but I really like Galio. He feels like he can be a good enough support though (something I lack). Is he viable as a support, aside the part that his basic attack is melee?
I lack a support character in my pool of champions that I have bought (almost all of mine are bruisers or tanks), but I really like Galio. He feels like he can be a good enough support though (something I lack). Is he viable as a support, aside the part that his basic attack is melee?
I lack everyone in general. I hardly have any AD's, Tank and close range champs. All I have are AP champs, and supports. (...crap, that just sad) Someone should recommend me some champs. ( I do have some AD Champs and maybe one close range)
Melee's almost all of what I have.
I do need more champs. The fact I lack on them is pretty sad. I wanna try melee's but...I'm the type who goes for range then close range.
I know a lot of people who don't like melee in most games that include combat so you are no exception, based on what I've seen through the years. =PAoriki wrote:
I do need more champs. The fact I lack on them is pretty sad. I wanna try melee's but...I'm the type who goes for range then close range
If you wanna try melee, I'd recommend building a bruiser / tank since they don't die as easily as someone who goes for straight kills (since ranged don't usually need as much health/armor/magic resistance). So Garen, Singed or Renekton are all pretty basic bruisers.
Well, since Garen is a free champ this week, I may try him out and see my self just failed as a major tank/melee.
yeah play garen
spin city
i've seen some galio supports and he can be quite good what with the shield and the aoe slow, as well as his ult at 6
but his passive and mr are useless for bot lane, which is quite unfortunate. back in the days you'd go mid with null-magic mantle and pots, have like 70mr and 50 ap at level 1...
spin city
i've seen some galio supports and he can be quite good what with the shield and the aoe slow, as well as his ult at 6
but his passive and mr are useless for bot lane, which is quite unfortunate. back in the days you'd go mid with null-magic mantle and pots, have like 70mr and 50 ap at level 1...
What, that's insane, lol.tyrael6192 wrote:
've seen some galio supports and he can be quite good what with the shield and the aoe slow, as well as his ult at 6
but his passive and mr are useless for bot lane, which is quite unfortunate. back in the days you'd go mid with null-magic mantle and pots, have like 70mr and 50 ap at level 1...
I did read he can go mage but it's... odd.
I might just stick to going top and gearing him full tank.
I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.
Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
because MR items for tanks no longer exist except for runic bulwarkVulf wrote:
I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.
Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
spirit visage is somewhat viable, but it got nerfed
edit:
actually I'm wrong
chalice/abyssal is good
its more because of the focus on AD scaling champs in the current meta that makes galio less viable
I am not a fan of Taric or Janna. =PVulf wrote:
I used to play galio support often. He is very mana hungry and has a long CD on his only support ability. You'd be better off playing janna or taric for the same effect.
Galio top lane is kinda bad now with what is very popular in that lane. His mid is decent, but definitely lacking.
I don't care what's popular, I more care about if it works.
Do they actually put out champions that are 100% not viable? That'd be dumb.
Yeah, I used the Chalice a few times.WishfulFiction wrote:
because MR items for tanks no longer exist except for runic bulwark
spirit visage is somewhat viable, but it got nerfed
edit:
actually I'm wrong
chalice/abyssal is good
its more because of the focus on AD scaling champs in the current meta that makes galio less viable
I haven't really found that there are more ADs than APs in the games I've played - it's been pretty even.
Also to note, I play normal, not ranked.
Eh, meta doesn't mean it always happens. If meta happened all the time, there'd be an AP and AD carry, so he'd be useful that way, no?
his early game damage is scary as hell but come lategame he's basically just a shieldbot for the carry and a flash ult engage man
Let me put it this way. Galio needs items to scale into the game which he wouldn't get as a 0 cs support (this is why karma is a bad support). In other words no it won't work most of the time because of heavy mana cost meaning he has to spend 900 extra gold to help his ADC, and he has long CD's on everything but his Q. He needs specific items to get going.
To answer another question. There are some champions in this game that aren't viable hence why some stuff get kit reworks.
Edit: The reason he isn't very good mid/top anymore is because of all the random AD bruiser and casters that got major buffs in season 3 making it hard for him to lane. It's not that he isn't viable he just fell out of favor. The whole point of his kit is to be the counter to all AP, but seeing as AP carries aren't the only thing that goes mid anymore it has dwindled him to a niche pick.
To answer another question. There are some champions in this game that aren't viable hence why some stuff get kit reworks.
Edit: The reason he isn't very good mid/top anymore is because of all the random AD bruiser and casters that got major buffs in season 3 making it hard for him to lane. It's not that he isn't viable he just fell out of favor. The whole point of his kit is to be the counter to all AP, but seeing as AP carries aren't the only thing that goes mid anymore it has dwindled him to a niche pick.
Am I the only one who wants this fucking Kayle to get removed from this game immediately
The people that I play with would 'like' everyone to fill any role, but I'm still without a support and AD carry (mostly because I don't like a large number ranged champions).
Viable, out of favour, what's the difference?
Disappoint. So I'm still without a champion with a support role then.
At least looking through the champion filter for support anyway.
He seemed pretty strong early game, yeah.tyrael6192 wrote:
his early game damage is scary as hell but come lategame he's basically just a shieldbot for the carry and a flash ult engage man
What's a kit?Vulf wrote:
Let me put it this way. Galio needs items to scale into the game which he wouldn't get as a 0 cs support (this is why karma is a bad support). In other words no it won't work most of the time because of heavy mana cost meaning he has to spend 900 extra gold to help his ADC, and he has long CD's on everything but his Q. He needs specific items to get going.
To answer another question. There are some champions in this game that aren't viable hence why some stuff get kit reworks.
Edit: The reason he isn't very good mid/top anymore is because of all the random AD bruiser and casters that got major buffs in season 3 making it hard for him to lane. It's not that he isn't viable he just fell out of favor. The whole point of his kit is to be the counter to all AP, but seeing as AP carries aren't the only thing that goes mid anymore it has dwindled him to a niche pick.
Viable, out of favour, what's the difference?
Disappoint. So I'm still without a champion with a support role then.
At least looking through the champion filter for support anyway.
What's wrong with Kayle? She's a fantastic champion. =/BrokenArrow wrote:
Am I the only one who wants this fucking Kayle to get removed from this game immediately
Kit is just the set of abilities (+specific stats) a champion has and the versatility of those abilities.
Just because people don't play something doesn't mean it isn't viable. Jungle fizz in s2 wasn't really in the public sphere at all and not many people did it, but it was scary as hell when done right... this is just an example but like you know what i mean
something can be underplayed but still really strong
Just because people don't play something doesn't mean it isn't viable. Jungle fizz in s2 wasn't really in the public sphere at all and not many people did it, but it was scary as hell when done right... this is just an example but like you know what i mean
something can be underplayed but still really strong
Kit = skill set.
Viable means they are still playable in the meta. Galio is still a good mid just not as strong as he used to be when double AP was very popular like a year and a half ago (aka fell out of favor) basically there are better options than him now. Nonviable mostly means that their skill set is so odd or outdated they will have a hard time no matter what. Take Sion for example his skill set makes zero sense whatsoever. That's why he is getting a rework. Other examples are karma, heimerdinger, and warwick. inb4 "those said champions are good!" no they aren't thats why riot is reworking them.
You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
Viable means they are still playable in the meta. Galio is still a good mid just not as strong as he used to be when double AP was very popular like a year and a half ago (aka fell out of favor) basically there are better options than him now. Nonviable mostly means that their skill set is so odd or outdated they will have a hard time no matter what. Take Sion for example his skill set makes zero sense whatsoever. That's why he is getting a rework. Other examples are karma, heimerdinger, and warwick. inb4 "those said champions are good!" no they aren't thats why riot is reworking them.
You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
Yeah, but it takes someone of decent skill to do that. I'm still slightly new to the game so I'm not really aiming for such at the moment.tyrael6192 wrote:
something can be underplayed but still really strong
I don't have any standard supports that I like yet. Any suggestions?Vulf wrote:
You can play galio support, but don't expect it to ever out perform any of the standard supports that can do what he does but way better. Heck i used to play ashe and caitlyn support awhile back lol. If your playing 5's and they don't mind you playing unconventional supports then go for it, but in solo que you'll probably end up getting banned for playing against the meta. I learned this after i got a suspension for playing roam annie like 5 games in a row.
Like I said, most of my champions I like go top (Darius, Garen, Renekton, Jarvin IV, Irelia, Xin Zhao, Gangplank, Wukong, Tryndamere).
What the crap? You can get a suspension for that? That's... dumb. If a person can make it work, who cares?
If you like playing bruiser type champions you might like Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nunu, or Alistar all of those are very good supports. Generally anything that has hard CC (non ults preferably), sustain, a steroid and doesn't need items to scale as the game progresses usually makes a decent 0 cs support.
There are also the unconventional (these are champions that can support, but they aren't very strong at that role) supports like galio, shen, mundo, gangplank, malphite etc.. If you ever decide to go into solo queue ranked i would advise not playing these cause people will complain.
Well according to riot you cannot get banned for playing against the meta, but you can get banned for failing to communicate with your team. This is what riots support told me when i asked about my ban last year lol. If your team is fine with you playing against the meta then it's okay, but if pre game chat explodes about you playing something crazy like jungle Vlad then the odds are you will eventually get banned after a few reports. lol
There are also the unconventional (these are champions that can support, but they aren't very strong at that role) supports like galio, shen, mundo, gangplank, malphite etc.. If you ever decide to go into solo queue ranked i would advise not playing these cause people will complain.
Well according to riot you cannot get banned for playing against the meta, but you can get banned for failing to communicate with your team. This is what riots support told me when i asked about my ban last year lol. If your team is fine with you playing against the meta then it's okay, but if pre game chat explodes about you playing something crazy like jungle Vlad then the odds are you will eventually get banned after a few reports. lol
Was not a fan of Leona, Blitzcrank or Thresh.Vulf wrote:
If you like playing bruiser type champions you might like Leona, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nunu, or Alistar all of those are very good supports. Generally anything that has hard CC (non ults preferably), sustain, a steroid and doesn't need items to scale as the game progresses usually makes a decent 0 cs support. There are also the unconventional (these are champions that can support, but they aren't very strong at that role) supports like galio, shen, mundo, gangplank, malphite etc.. If you ever decide to go into solo queue ranked i would advise not playing these cause people will complain.
Well according to riot you cannot get banned for playing against the meta, but you can get banned for failing to communicate with your team. This is what riots support told me when i asked about my ban last year lol. If your team is fine with you playing against the meta then it's okay, but if pre game chat explodes about you playing something crazy like jungle Vlad then the odds are you will eventually get banned after a few reports. lol
Nunu might be worth a try, but I never knew he was a full support.
Alistar's on my list of 'wanting to try'.
Eh, Shen and Mundo work more top based on what I've seen.
My team has actually banned me from using Gangplank. Apparently he doesn't "bring enough".
Malphite I own and actually like him top. I dunno how I'd make him support though, lol.
Failing to communicate, huh? I'm 100% terrible at paying attention to the chat panel, simply because the team I usually play with uses vent so I don't usually need it.
Maybe they lied to you... lol.
It's odd, yeah. But like I said, if someone can make something work, who cares? I've never seen Renekton go jungle, but I do just fine with him, farming wise.
It's not that I love bruiser, it's that I like melee. And my team says melee should always get extra health / survivability over ranged. So then it just kinda turns into a bruiser...
Yeah all this discussion about what's "viable" is bullshit
Every hero is viable with some role. Situational maybe, but still viable. Galio mid/top is fine, yeah he has weaknesses but so does every single other hero. There are players who have carried to high elo with every champion ever made, even the ones that we call "bad", including warwick, karma, poppy, heimer etc. So basically anything is viable situationally in some role. Obviously don't pick a jungler that is terrible at clearing jungle and/or ganking, don't pick a support that can't do shit with 0 cs, don't counterpick yourself etc.
Every hero is viable with some role. Situational maybe, but still viable. Galio mid/top is fine, yeah he has weaknesses but so does every single other hero. There are players who have carried to high elo with every champion ever made, even the ones that we call "bad", including warwick, karma, poppy, heimer etc. So basically anything is viable situationally in some role. Obviously don't pick a jungler that is terrible at clearing jungle and/or ganking, don't pick a support that can't do shit with 0 cs, don't counterpick yourself etc.
Exactly stuff like shen and mundo work much better in other places, but they could go bot lane as a support. They just won't be as good as actual supports most of the time.
Well you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that in premades, but in solo queue it's definitely reportable. lol
Well you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that in premades, but in solo queue it's definitely reportable. lol
Not really, double bruiser bot lanes work fine if you know how to play them. You just focus on killing/zoning more than farming/protecting AD. If done correctly, you can deny the enemy AD hard and pick up some kills on the wayVulf wrote:
Exactly stuff like shen and mundo work much better in other places, but they could go bot lane as a support. They just won't be as good as actual supports most of the time.
Well you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that in premades, but in solo queue it's definitely reportable. lol
You just described Warwick. LOLKanye West wrote:
Obviously don't pick a jungler that is terrible at clearing jungle and/or ganking
and those are called kill lanes which are a lot different than the standard AD/support. Even still some AD/Support combos can shut that lane down.
play him toplane .
and sure, if they pick janna/ez/corki/graves then it just becomes a skill matchup and you should really never pick double bruiser if they pick janna first anyways
and sure, if they pick janna/ez/corki/graves then it just becomes a skill matchup and you should really never pick double bruiser if they pick janna first anyways