DJPop wrote:

Gens wrote:

My door's always closed open! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.

No one knows until you tell

It's actually in my sig. What I just noticed is that is too small and maybe not noticeable <.< I should post even more.

Ekaru wrote:

Gens wrote:

My door's always closed open! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.

1. Look at random maps in Pending; those would like attention.

2. That reminds me that I said I'd mod someone's map. ;P He kinda asks me whenever he makes a map. So do my friends who started mapping occasionally for fun. Why do they ask ME though? Oh well.

Finding maps to mod isn't an issue, because if someone doesn't request a mod job while you're on, there's a gigantic 'Pending' forum. No excuses there, sorry.

I've tried, and yeah, I did some modding like that, but then, I got distracted by U.N. Owen was her and stuff.
And I don't like too much the current selection of songs in that forum >.> but oh well seems no one cares. There are a few songs I always wanted to mod but I forgot to do so

RemmyX25 wrote:

, but when I attacked pending for a whole month, most of those maps are now in the graveyard.

Same here. 25% of my posts are in the graveyard............

By the way, I think modding bubbled maps is the fastest way to develop my modding ability.

darrihuka wrote:

1. We need more responsible BATs. I look down upon those who get their BATship and run away.
2. We have to find a way to make BATs mod (rewards and punishment system is necessary). This is the most important imo.
3. Map maps of better quality.

Huh. A rewards and punishment system? Please elaborate.

I think dar means, BATS who don't do anything should be punished for not doing anything and/or be held in less regard to BATS who DO do things.

That's what I got from the post anyway

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As long as they understand why the moderation system is in place.

As of now a few BATs I feel are taking guidelines as rules. or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.

For one I don't feel we should remotely cater to maps that feel lazy/have glaring flaws yet still are considered not nukeable. Either instant help/GY them since their time should be spent helping mappers that actually put effort into their maps.

Personally I always felt a submitted map should be star quality at submission.

lukewarmholiday wrote:

or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.

I agree. I always try to say "you could do so and so" or "probably do so and so" but people always end up doing it anyway. Only a few say that they don't want to change something (eg. eiji, darri)

Echo wrote:

Actually, reward and punishment would be interesting. Obviously it can't be anything monetary. But then what would give someone motivation to mod?

How about a little table that shows how often a BAT mods / how much a BAT has modded? Adding that colour thing that was added would also be a neat factor. That'd motivate me to mod more.

Except that those are already implemented and imo were pretty effective at getting people to mod. Sometimes, people are just busy.

'course there's other times where people are just lazy. And I wouldn't say being a BAT is a thankless job, because it is not, but I won't be the first to say it can be pretty damned exhausting and the problem with that is most people who aspire to become BATs don't fully understand the task. That's why there are so many BATs with <200 exp.

One other thing that bothers me is not the persistence of mappers (I find that somewhat respectable, even if it is annoying) but the impression that some mappers have that they are somehow special. You are not a special little snowflake. A lot of people want their maps to be ranked just for the sake of getting ranked. They follow (after enough assistance) all the guidelines and clear out all the problems to get their maps ranked. And at the end of the day, what does it amount to? Most of the time, a higher ranked score and a sense of accomplishment on the mapper's part. That's all well enough, but I wish people would try to excel a little more. Stop aiming for "ranking standards". Start aiming for "obliterate ranking standards with a truly awesome map that people won't just play for score". Easier said than done, of course, but oftentimes it is pretty obvious when someone has the "map to get ranked" mentality. Of course, despite past successes, I can see myself joining the ranks of these clamoring digits. Put me out of my misery when that time comes.

I think I lost sight of the point of my post as I was typing it so I'm going to re-iterate it in a single sentence:

Please be aware of the full scope of the task.

Guilty as charged, as awp described maps that aren't too exciting. Breaking Up is Hard to Do, anyone?

But what concerns me (and assuming the rest of the non-BATs who frequently mod) is the fact that we mod, they fix, we approve, but no one else will look at the map, because it isn't starred or something. I've tried to bug actual BATs to star/bubble/nuke for me, but I rarely get success for the first two because they don't want to make sure I did a correct job modding, but too lazy/busy to mod it themselves. (This explains my giant seal of approval for everyone to see) Nuking is fine because it doesn't take much for someone which SOME modding experience to say GET THE BOMB SHELTER OUT, WE GOT A NUKE COMIN OUR WAY--- but stealing from Nuke Cabinets is harder than it seems, especially when again, mods are busy.

/rabbling

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i don't think i have what it takes to be a BAT ( or atleast not yet )

but im kinda interested in getting more fun and beatmaps with Innovative Patterns ( if there is anything that hasn't been done yet )

so i will be checking beatmaps from now on, i have plenty freetime so i will test and give my opinion to the creators

also hmmm i have a suggestion... i think the BATS should gather a day and name some beatmaps and run a poll in the forum with those maps so the winner at the end of let's say a week the most voted map gets priority

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minyeob wrote:

How about holding BAT election?

That isn't really necessary, as we don't have a sole member moderating beatmaps. A BAT nomination poll would make more sense. Although, anyone with enough skill and time to become one should have already been contacted, right?

I wonder how is a BAT chosen..

sonnyc wrote:

I wonder how is a BAT chosen..

Read the original post and you might find out

Edited the post.

EDIT: lol Skyripper you're GMT. Why?
Same here, I express public interest, too.

minyeob, you are a good mod... that's all I know about it.

Consider this the post in which I express an interest in BATdom.

I'm not asking. I'm just expressing public interest.

Hm, I wonder if being active in #mod counts as being active in IRC...haha...Probably does when BATs see this activity being done.

Same here, I express public interest as well. Those requirements seem exciting and great...though in depth. I wonder if the current staff looks for that. But ap! No bashing the staff, they're cool cats.

I wonder why osuplayer111 is still not a part of BAT...

This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.

Any chance?

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He makes all my work look so useless. I wasted so much time. ; ^ ;

What's the point of this thread? Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

I think we're doing a fine job. We're ranking maps at a steady pace, etc. And have fun with those tons of maps I ranked today. zz

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

take out the garbage and you're left with about 5

lukewarmholiday wrote:

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

take out the garbage and you're left with about 5

thats pretty rude.
Everyone starts somewhere.

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

Notice the eyeroll, it was sarcasm

Yes, I think there should be more BATs. There's very capable people that could do the job. Right now I see a few very active BATs, a few moderately active BATs, and then the rest I never see post and are very inactive. :<

Yes, maps are getting ranked at a steady pace, but like I said in irc a few weeks ago: There's thousands more users than there used to be. There are also dozens/hundreds more maps now. If there's no increase in BATs to compensate for this, then it creates problems and people start getting upset.

</mytwocents>

Sir Minelli wrote:

This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.

Any chance?

alone his badass avatar make me believe, this guy can do the job

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Please direct your complaints at Ivalset, he's the BAT promoter person thingy

Be warned, Ival don't take no shit from anyone.

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I think I have the qualifications for a BAT...but anyways...

True. I think.

In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.

I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.

BAT makes some people think they are more superior than normal mods.

True. I think. But some BATs (I don't want to say names) really better them normal modders.

tieff wrote:

In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.

I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.

More BATs does not necessarily mean more ranked maps. What we need to do is get all of our BATs active again.

Also theres much more to being a BAT than just modding maps, trust me.

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tieff wrote:

I trust you. But modding maps get high priority, right?

More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.

RemmyX25 wrote:

More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.

Hmm... I don't know about this. Btw, this power is nothing. I don't think like really good modders wanna became BAT just becouse of forum/IRC moderation power.
Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.

tieff wrote:

Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.

Items like this are considered when there are users that may have BAT potential. :3

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We need active BAT's that's for sure.
So why not make active modders who have been here a long time available for this so called "BAT promotion".
..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?

animask wrote:

..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?

This is to chop redundant and repetitive team things.

BATs are also known as the moderators of osu! as well. That's kind of why they have !silence, !kill, and other interesting powers of the like. They also help peppy identify bugs in test builds, so when you obtain your public build, there's way less of the troubles than what you'd originally get.

And I would recommend people, but I'm too much of a fresh meat for that. Too much BATs is also another thing, but that point has already been mentioned. ._.

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Two reasons why current staff is enough but doesn't seem like enough:

One, as many say, is due to inactive BAT members. But rather than focus on who is inactive, focus on how active the BAT are as a whole. Some BAT members really do not mod a lot (and I mean like three times a month or something) but I tend to disregard them as an accurate representation of the "BAT" identity.

The second reason is that people are getting lazy with their maps. What is the ratio, I wonder, of BAT posts to BAT bubble/ranks. In a perfect world, it would be 1:1. BATs are considered experts in the field of modding and their opinions are considered valuable. But that's no reason to just do a half-assed job, sit back, and wait until one of the BAT comes along and lists all the problems/improvements with the map so you can go an' fix 'em without having to look too hard. Yes, the kudosu system has done a great job of getting everyone to pitch in and help out, but I just want to restate a very important point (this is gonna enter someone's sig, probably)

The rate at which maps are ranked is not a reflection of the efficacy of the BAT, it is a reflection of the efficacy of the community as a whole.

Seeing as how I mod, I should probably be shooting for BAT.
Oh well, *ahem*...

I agree with everything awp said above (Especially with the "Lazy Mappers" part), but a few more BATs wouldn't hurt.
I've always wondered, if peppy said there shouldn't be more than 2/3 bubbles, why are there like 7/8 bubbles? Perhaps we need more BATs to take care about it.

I'm just sayin', ignore me as you please. .-.

animask wrote:

I vote for a seperate team that actually only "Approves Beatmaps" and ranks them...

Could you explain why these groups need to be separated in the first place?

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This sounds a lot like an original idea about having a special 'mod' group I heard about months ago, or a newbie BAT group (Something like that). It's more as in the lines of people in this special group were allowed to mod + bubble, but they couldn't rank. I don't know what happened to that idea now.

I don't think giving "pre-BATs" the ability to rank is a good idea. It's better for a more qualified person, such as a BAT, to do such tasks. They can bubble the map though (Pre-BATs), which doesn't hurt much at all (Has no bad consequences).

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awp wrote:

BAT are technically not supposed to mod

awp : Couldn't we have a team that was meant to help with the editing of beatmaps if thats the case?

To help people with editor? There's the faq, tutorials, and anyone in #mod/#osu to help with that.

To mod? There's too many maps to mod for there to be a "team" of people to do it. Everyone just needs to help mod as a community :<

Derekku Chan : I was thinking more of a team that fills in the blank of the 2 teams so far.
If the BAT were meant to approve. Global Mods were meant for the forums. The team for helping to mod would fit in pretty well right? I know the community can do a lot of work to help but we could use a little support with the ranking process. Even though I think its going much faster than before. This will prevent any future build-ups for sure.

also...if the team is created can I join? =o

EDIT: The team could have the ability to raise SP by like 5 or something =o

K, here's your beatmap modding team:

Beatmap Modding Team:

Anyone who isn't a BAT

I even made a guide on how to mod, and if someone has time to map they have time to mod, so no excuses, guys.

Ekaru wrote:

Beatmap Modding Team:

Anyone who isn't a BAT

This.

You don't need more BATs to mod, you need more regular players to test drive your map.

i think it is safe to say that we can delete half of these guidelines now.

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Larto wrote:

Fuck you.

?

Gabi's just raising a question which seems legit to me?

minyeob wrote:

I'll try.
If not, tell me what to develop more. I'm a beginner modder

This post makes me giggle now. Grats minyeob~ (yes, again)

RemmyX25 wrote:

Ekaru wrote:

Beatmap Modding Team:

Anyone who isn't a BAT

This.

You don't need more BATs to mod, you need more regular players to test drive your map.

More regular players' modding also helps someone's map.
It can consider everyone's hope :3
Anyway...

BMT seems good :3

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0_o wrote:

YES.

YES I DO.

That's true.

When I reach 5 ranked maps I will post here again. (lol)

Yeah. If I stop being lazy and actually mod more. I could qualify... But not now. Gonna go and do lazy things.

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Uh, maybe once I stop being lazy and start finishing my maps (and modding more). Stupid school .

Everyone with 5 or more ranked maps is now a BAT.

Discuss.

JarJarJacob wrote:

Everyone with 5 or more ranked maps is now a BAT.

Discuss.

orly?


I think that's slightly prejudice towards all the beatmappers. Ranked beatmaps only show that they seem to get more attention than most people and popularity shouldn't be a major issue when being a BAT.

someone make Card'n'Force a BAT ok? thanks

animask wrote:

I think that's slightly prejudice towards all the beatmappers. Ranked beatmaps only show that they seem to get more attention than most people and popularity shouldn't be a major issue when being a BAT.

You seem to think that everyone must have the same skills when it comes to beatmapping in order to make the assumption that more ranked maps = more popular

but there's also this to consider: some people need between 0 and 4 corrections to have a map ranked. Others need between 40 and 50.

Back to the 5+ ranked == bat, this would imply the better you are at beatmapping, the faster you become a bat, and isn't this what we want anyway? Good people? Or at least persistent people.

Just because they can get things done faster doesn't mean they're better

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Gens wrote:

(If you go look at my beatmap threads, ignore the normal user posts; the first BAT finds little to no errors, then bubble and rank it. At least in my recent maps. )

Uh...but shouldn't be we not ignore those user posts? I mean, what if they had corrections? Unless they were all Star and the like, I would count those corrections too.

Starrodkirby86 wrote:

Uh...but shouldn't be we not ignore those user posts? I mean, what if they had corrections? Unless they were all Star and the like, I would count those corrections too.

Well, yeah, but most users pull out suggestions I disagree with, and they are small (clap here, new combo), so that's why I said that. Since I'm trying to get my priority up now, I can't avoid those horrible nazis. I was mainly referring to major issues. ;o

Well, we have to see

I have already 33 ranked beatmaps, so I'm sure ranked beatmaps for me isn't a problem XD

Anyway yes, why not. I wanna try

Personality counts too. Arbitrary numbers suck.

Kytoxid wrote:

Personality counts too. Arbitrary numbers suck.

I love you.

Kytoxid wrote:

Personality counts too. Arbitrary numbers suck.

Yeah I know

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Elises wrote:

No question, of course I'd love to end up being a BAT. I mean, that probably wont happen for a really, REALLY long time, but if I can ever become one, but it's definitely something for me to strive for. I love listening to other people's favorite songs, what can I say, I'm a music lover =D, and I can't run out of ideas to make a song fun to play and watch. Not to mention, the thought of being able to help out others with their own color-struck song-based designs is something I could really get into. Like watching a person's dream develop into reality before your very eyes...

maybe someday karma (or whatever you prefer to believe, I'll use karma for now) will return the favor.

'round these parts it's known as "kudosu".

awp wrote:

Elises wrote:

maybe someday karma (or whatever you prefer to believe, I'll use karma for now) will return the favor.

'round these parts it's known as "kudosu".

lol. You're right.

< Clearly not going to be a BAT anytime soon.

I'm never going to be a BAT

Never gonna have that kind of time.

being a BAT would be fun...but i'll never make make it
I suck at modding
I REALLY suck at modding
I really don't think I'm suited to be a BAT full stop

Mod more, you'll get better at it.

I like doing mod as fun, not a job
BAts are always busy, yes, great job they do
my compliments to all BATs
Happy new year~

Sounds OK... Too noob to do it.

My modding sucks.
I have 1 ranked map.
It sucks.

NOW IM A BAT!!!!1!!1'2

Really, I'm too busy to mod 234234234 songs and bubble/rank something.

Is there any actual point in posting in this thread and saying "idontwannabebatisucklol"?

JarJarJacob wrote:

Is there any actual point in posting in this thread and saying "idontwannabebatisucklol"?

Is there any actual point in posting in this thread and saying "Is there any actual point in posting in this thread and saying "idontwannabebatisucklol"?"?

Seriously, no.

It might be a good idea to stop posting.

Well Even Though I Don't Have Any Ranked Maps Yet I Might Take A Shot At It, Though I'm Bored At Home Modding All Day xD
So Hit Me With Your Best Shot =]

I do want to try it as well, i do have 3 ranked maps and i spend 90% of my free time modding maps, yeah i do check maps in pending/WIP when i dont have any requests, since i love modding more than anything. But yeah i think i got what it takes (from the stuff in the first post anyways) however i'm still improving in all aspects since i strive to being better than what i am learning from my errors on my maps and modding ^^ hope someday i can get to be one so yeah ^^ i'll keep trying

Mod maps in Help and Pending, the way other mods mod them. Take the initiative and show us you can mod.
Create your own maps and get them ranked. Not only does this show that you have dedication to your work, you will also learn valuable tricks and tips which you can pass on when modding.
Chat on IRC (in-game chat). We'll get to know you better, which in turn makes it more likely for us to promote you. A cheerful, bright personality with a good sense of humour helps.
Don't ask, complain or rave on about how good you are, how many posts you've made, or how you've worked so hard and are still not a BAT. If we haven't approached you to become a BAT, you're probably not doing something right, be it modding or behaviourwise (ie. learn to internet). Put yourself in our shoes; would you want to promote someone who keeps whining?

I just want BATs can mod more for mapper.

I would like to be a BAT
I'm online on osu almost all the days (except tuesday and thursday, 'cause I'm at my mom's house and there is no internet DX)

and I would like to make faster this thing of approve beatmaps

sometimes I find good beatmaps at pending list.

and one question: is obligatory a beatmap have a background?
'cause at pendind list has some beatmaps without background

Even if a map includes a video/storyboard, it should still include a background for the song selection screen.

If you'd like to strive to become a BAT, then (as others have said) mod maps in pending/help like other experienced modders/BAT do, and perhaps one day a dream will become a reality.

Also, creating your own maps and getting them ranked/approved is essential, as well. P:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Also, creating your own maps and getting them ranked/approved is essential, as well. P:

This should have been part of the MAT criteria.