As long as they understand why the moderation system is in place.

As of now a few BATs I feel are taking guidelines as rules. or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.

For one I don't feel we should remotely cater to maps that feel lazy/have glaring flaws yet still are considered not nukeable. Either instant help/GY them since their time should be spent helping mappers that actually put effort into their maps.

Personally I always felt a submitted map should be star quality at submission.

lukewarmholiday wrote:

or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.

I agree. I always try to say "you could do so and so" or "probably do so and so" but people always end up doing it anyway. Only a few say that they don't want to change something (eg. eiji, darri)

Echo wrote:

Actually, reward and punishment would be interesting. Obviously it can't be anything monetary. But then what would give someone motivation to mod?

How about a little table that shows how often a BAT mods / how much a BAT has modded? Adding that colour thing that was added would also be a neat factor. That'd motivate me to mod more.

Except that those are already implemented and imo were pretty effective at getting people to mod. Sometimes, people are just busy.

'course there's other times where people are just lazy. And I wouldn't say being a BAT is a thankless job, because it is not, but I won't be the first to say it can be pretty damned exhausting and the problem with that is most people who aspire to become BATs don't fully understand the task. That's why there are so many BATs with <200 exp.

One other thing that bothers me is not the persistence of mappers (I find that somewhat respectable, even if it is annoying) but the impression that some mappers have that they are somehow special. You are not a special little snowflake. A lot of people want their maps to be ranked just for the sake of getting ranked. They follow (after enough assistance) all the guidelines and clear out all the problems to get their maps ranked. And at the end of the day, what does it amount to? Most of the time, a higher ranked score and a sense of accomplishment on the mapper's part. That's all well enough, but I wish people would try to excel a little more. Stop aiming for "ranking standards". Start aiming for "obliterate ranking standards with a truly awesome map that people won't just play for score". Easier said than done, of course, but oftentimes it is pretty obvious when someone has the "map to get ranked" mentality. Of course, despite past successes, I can see myself joining the ranks of these clamoring digits. Put me out of my misery when that time comes.

I think I lost sight of the point of my post as I was typing it so I'm going to re-iterate it in a single sentence:

Please be aware of the full scope of the task.

Guilty as charged, as awp described maps that aren't too exciting. Breaking Up is Hard to Do, anyone?

But what concerns me (and assuming the rest of the non-BATs who frequently mod) is the fact that we mod, they fix, we approve, but no one else will look at the map, because it isn't starred or something. I've tried to bug actual BATs to star/bubble/nuke for me, but I rarely get success for the first two because they don't want to make sure I did a correct job modding, but too lazy/busy to mod it themselves. (This explains my giant seal of approval for everyone to see) Nuking is fine because it doesn't take much for someone which SOME modding experience to say GET THE BOMB SHELTER OUT, WE GOT A NUKE COMIN OUR WAY--- but stealing from Nuke Cabinets is harder than it seems, especially when again, mods are busy.

/rabbling

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i don't think i have what it takes to be a BAT ( or atleast not yet )

but im kinda interested in getting more fun and beatmaps with Innovative Patterns ( if there is anything that hasn't been done yet )

so i will be checking beatmaps from now on, i have plenty freetime so i will test and give my opinion to the creators

also hmmm i have a suggestion... i think the BATS should gather a day and name some beatmaps and run a poll in the forum with those maps so the winner at the end of let's say a week the most voted map gets priority

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minyeob wrote:

How about holding BAT election?

That isn't really necessary, as we don't have a sole member moderating beatmaps. A BAT nomination poll would make more sense. Although, anyone with enough skill and time to become one should have already been contacted, right?

I wonder how is a BAT chosen..

sonnyc wrote:

I wonder how is a BAT chosen..

Read the original post and you might find out

Edited the post.

EDIT: lol Skyripper you're GMT. Why?
Same here, I express public interest, too.

minyeob, you are a good mod... that's all I know about it.

Consider this the post in which I express an interest in BATdom.

I'm not asking. I'm just expressing public interest.

Hm, I wonder if being active in #mod counts as being active in IRC...haha...Probably does when BATs see this activity being done.

Same here, I express public interest as well. Those requirements seem exciting and great...though in depth. I wonder if the current staff looks for that. But ap! No bashing the staff, they're cool cats.

I wonder why osuplayer111 is still not a part of BAT...

This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.

Any chance?

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He makes all my work look so useless. I wasted so much time. ; ^ ;

What's the point of this thread? Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

I think we're doing a fine job. We're ranking maps at a steady pace, etc. And have fun with those tons of maps I ranked today. zz

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

take out the garbage and you're left with about 5

lukewarmholiday wrote:

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

take out the garbage and you're left with about 5

thats pretty rude.
Everyone starts somewhere.

JarJarJacob wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.

There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.

Notice the eyeroll, it was sarcasm

Yes, I think there should be more BATs. There's very capable people that could do the job. Right now I see a few very active BATs, a few moderately active BATs, and then the rest I never see post and are very inactive. :<

Yes, maps are getting ranked at a steady pace, but like I said in irc a few weeks ago: There's thousands more users than there used to be. There are also dozens/hundreds more maps now. If there's no increase in BATs to compensate for this, then it creates problems and people start getting upset.

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Sir Minelli wrote:

This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.

Any chance?

alone his badass avatar make me believe, this guy can do the job

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Please direct your complaints at Ivalset, he's the BAT promoter person thingy

Be warned, Ival don't take no shit from anyone.

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I think I have the qualifications for a BAT...but anyways...

True. I think.

In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.

I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.

BAT makes some people think they are more superior than normal mods.

True. I think. But some BATs (I don't want to say names) really better them normal modders.

tieff wrote:

In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.

I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.

More BATs does not necessarily mean more ranked maps. What we need to do is get all of our BATs active again.

Also theres much more to being a BAT than just modding maps, trust me.

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tieff wrote:

I trust you. But modding maps get high priority, right?

More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.

RemmyX25 wrote:

More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.

Hmm... I don't know about this. Btw, this power is nothing. I don't think like really good modders wanna became BAT just becouse of forum/IRC moderation power.
Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.

tieff wrote:

Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.

Items like this are considered when there are users that may have BAT potential. :3

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We need active BAT's that's for sure.
So why not make active modders who have been here a long time available for this so called "BAT promotion".
..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?

animask wrote:

..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?

This is to chop redundant and repetitive team things.

BATs are also known as the moderators of osu! as well. That's kind of why they have !silence, !kill, and other interesting powers of the like. They also help peppy identify bugs in test builds, so when you obtain your public build, there's way less of the troubles than what you'd originally get.

And I would recommend people, but I'm too much of a fresh meat for that. Too much BATs is also another thing, but that point has already been mentioned. ._.

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Two reasons why current staff is enough but doesn't seem like enough:

One, as many say, is due to inactive BAT members. But rather than focus on who is inactive, focus on how active the BAT are as a whole. Some BAT members really do not mod a lot (and I mean like three times a month or something) but I tend to disregard them as an accurate representation of the "BAT" identity.

The second reason is that people are getting lazy with their maps. What is the ratio, I wonder, of BAT posts to BAT bubble/ranks. In a perfect world, it would be 1:1. BATs are considered experts in the field of modding and their opinions are considered valuable. But that's no reason to just do a half-assed job, sit back, and wait until one of the BAT comes along and lists all the problems/improvements with the map so you can go an' fix 'em without having to look too hard. Yes, the kudosu system has done a great job of getting everyone to pitch in and help out, but I just want to restate a very important point (this is gonna enter someone's sig, probably)

The rate at which maps are ranked is not a reflection of the efficacy of the BAT, it is a reflection of the efficacy of the community as a whole.

Seeing as how I mod, I should probably be shooting for BAT.
Oh well, *ahem*...

I agree with everything awp said above (Especially with the "Lazy Mappers" part), but a few more BATs wouldn't hurt.
I've always wondered, if peppy said there shouldn't be more than 2/3 bubbles, why are there like 7/8 bubbles? Perhaps we need more BATs to take care about it.

I'm just sayin', ignore me as you please. .-.