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UHHHH........James wrote:
No one wants to be a bat?
Yea. Bout that. :\
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i only know basic english 
James wrote:
i only know basic english
Well, I guess I can do it if Peppy allow. 
But I would only mod songs from Anime.
But I would only mod songs from Anime.
I hope I got what it takes 
If not, please tell me what to change! I'm still learning
If not, please tell me what to change! I'm still learning
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darrihuka
Opinion: osu! Needs more BAT's as there seem to be waaaay more maps getting submitted lately, and waaay too many don't get any attention.
Actually, it's not that we need more BATs.
We just need more people who mod. After all, lots of the things submitted to Pending nowadays have errors, and you don't need a BAT until it's error-free (for bubbles and such). Besides, lots of the crap submitted nowadays are nukeable. I even see 1 difficulty beatmaps in Pending. Other than that, we don't need any more BATs. We just need more active modders. The issue is that while we have plenty of BATs and members, the amount of them actively modding isn't big enough to mod all the maps that get submitted, hence they often just take requests, and occasionally mod semi-randomly.
That's all. If more people modded on a semi-regular basis, life would be easier, but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.
We just need more people who mod. After all, lots of the things submitted to Pending nowadays have errors, and you don't need a BAT until it's error-free (for bubbles and such). Besides, lots of the crap submitted nowadays are nukeable. I even see 1 difficulty beatmaps in Pending. Other than that, we don't need any more BATs. We just need more active modders. The issue is that while we have plenty of BATs and members, the amount of them actively modding isn't big enough to mod all the maps that get submitted, hence they often just take requests, and occasionally mod semi-randomly.
That's all. If more people modded on a semi-regular basis, life would be easier, but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.
SUMMER.Ekaru wrote:
Actually, it's not that we need more BATs.
We just need more people who mod. After all, lots of the things submitted to Pending nowadays have errors, and you don't need a BAT until it's error-free (for bubbles and such). Besides, lots of the crap submitted nowadays are nukeable. I even see 1 difficulty beatmaps in Pending. Other than that, we don't need any more BATs. We just need more active modders. The issue is that while we have plenty of BATs and members, the amount of them actively modding isn't big enough to mod all the maps that get submitted, hence they often just take requests, and occasionally mod semi-randomly.
That's all. If more people modded on a semi-regular basis, life would be easier, but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.
I think everyone is capable of modding. It's simply making suggestions to notes and forming the map to be more creative, intuitive, and sense-making.
BATs, imo, shouldn't be constantly harassed. They mod like regular users, but have more experience when it comes to scrolling through Edit mode. And they get to give/pop stars, bubbles, and hearts. Unless a map is extremely controversial, I think we should only consult a BAT after at least 3 non-BATs go out and check a map.
The active modders eventually become BATs, but still... Let's try consulting those who are willing, instead of bugging people who have lives. >_>
Ekaru is right. I take back what I said. 
Download: Metroid Prime - Dark Samus (marshall_racer) [ArisuKarin's Hard].osu
Download: Metroid Prime - Dark Samus (marshall_racer) [ArisuKarin's Hard].osu
YoshiKart wrote:
Let's try consulting those who are willing, instead of bugging people who have lives. >_>
Screw this post, it's old; Do NOT PM me!
A BAT application form might be rolling out within the next week or two. The main requirements will likely be a certain number of mod posts in pending/help as well as active on irc or on the forums, while other things such as reputation and rank will probably influence decisions as well.
Keep modding and stay active in irc or on the forums helping people, and we'll see you in the lounge eventually.
Keep modding and stay active in irc or on the forums helping people, and we'll see you in the lounge eventually.
1. Look at random maps in Pending; those would like attention.Gens wrote:
My door's alwaysYoshiKart wrote:
Let's try consulting those who are willing, instead of bugging people who have lives. >_>closedopen! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.
2. That reminds me that I said I'd mod someone's map. ;P He kinda asks me whenever he makes a map. So do my friends who started mapping occasionally for fun. Why do they ask ME though? Oh well.
Finding maps to mod isn't an issue, because if someone doesn't request a mod job while you're on, there's a gigantic 'Pending' forum. No excuses there, sorry.
A BAT application form? Sounds like a decent idea.
Also for those who want to begin "training" as it were:
Experience is the greatest teacher. (That is probably a Chinese proverb)
Experience is the greatest teacher. (That is probably a Chinese proverb)
For easily: even BAT or non-BAT, everyone should check other people's maps and mod them, am I right?
I'm still finding someone to mod my maps everyday
I'm still finding someone to mod my maps everyday
No one knows until you tellGens wrote:
My door's alwaysclosedopen! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.
If someone asked me to look at their maps, I'd help in any way I could. It's just that new members (members that don't really read rules) see BATs as the only people who can help them and only really bug them.
darrihuka
I'd love to massively mod, but when I attacked pending for a whole month, most of those maps are now in the graveyard. I'd love to mod via IRC requests, but when I do say tell someone I'll mod a map, I get three whiny bitchy "Mod mine next! whine whine whine" (most of the time those maps need a nuke which i dont have...)
Also, college takes up most of my time now. If anyone was paying attention over the summer, I went somewhat mod crazy for a month or so, but stopped for a bit since most maps I looked at went straight into graveyard.
/rant
Also, college takes up most of my time now. If anyone was paying attention over the summer, I went somewhat mod crazy for a month or so, but stopped for a bit since most maps I looked at went straight into graveyard.
/rant
It's actually in my sig. What I just noticed is that is too small and maybe not noticeable <.< I should post even more.DJPop wrote:
No one knows until you tellGens wrote:
My door's alwaysclosedopen! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.
I've tried, and yeah, I did some modding like that, but then, I got distracted by U.N. Owen was her and stuff.Ekaru wrote:
1. Look at random maps in Pending; those would like attention.Gens wrote:
My door's alwaysclosedopen! People can just PM me or something, but they don't >_>.
2. That reminds me that I said I'd mod someone's map. ;P He kinda asks me whenever he makes a map. So do my friends who started mapping occasionally for fun. Why do they ask ME though? Oh well.
Finding maps to mod isn't an issue, because if someone doesn't request a mod job while you're on, there's a gigantic 'Pending' forum. No excuses there, sorry.
And I don't like too much the current selection of songs in that forum >.> but oh well seems no one cares. There are a few songs I always wanted to mod but I forgot to do so
Same here. 25% of my posts are in the graveyard............RemmyX25 wrote:
, but when I attacked pending for a whole month, most of those maps are now in the graveyard.
By the way, I think modding bubbled maps is the fastest way to develop my modding ability.
Huh. A rewards and punishment system? Please elaborate.darrihuka wrote:
1. We need more responsible BATs. I look down upon those who get their BATship and run away.
2. We have to find a way to make BATs mod (rewards and punishment system is necessary). This is the most important imo.
3. Map maps of better quality.
I think dar means, BATS who don't do anything should be punished for not doing anything and/or be held in less regard to BATS who DO do things.
That's what I got from the post anyway
That's what I got from the post anyway
Topic Starter
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As long as they understand why the moderation system is in place.
As of now a few BATs I feel are taking guidelines as rules. or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.
For one I don't feel we should remotely cater to maps that feel lazy/have glaring flaws yet still are considered not nukeable. Either instant help/GY them since their time should be spent helping mappers that actually put effort into their maps.
Personally I always felt a submitted map should be star quality at submission.
As of now a few BATs I feel are taking guidelines as rules. or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.
For one I don't feel we should remotely cater to maps that feel lazy/have glaring flaws yet still are considered not nukeable. Either instant help/GY them since their time should be spent helping mappers that actually put effort into their maps.
Personally I always felt a submitted map should be star quality at submission.
Topic Starter
I agree. I always try to say "you could do so and so" or "probably do so and so" but people always end up doing it anyway. Only a few say that they don't want to change something (eg. eiji, darri)lukewarmholiday wrote:
or perhaps beatmappers are taking BATs suggestions as "CHANGE OR ELSE" statements.
How about a little table that shows how often a BAT mods / how much a BAT has modded? Adding that colour thing that was added would also be a neat factor. That'd motivate me to mod more.Echo wrote:
Actually, reward and punishment would be interesting. Obviously it can't be anything monetary. But then what would give someone motivation to mod?
Except that those are already implemented and imo were pretty effective at getting people to mod. Sometimes, people are just busy.
'course there's other times where people are just lazy. And I wouldn't say being a BAT is a thankless job, because it is not, but I won't be the first to say it can be pretty damned exhausting and the problem with that is most people who aspire to become BATs don't fully understand the task. That's why there are so many BATs with <200 exp.
One other thing that bothers me is not the persistence of mappers (I find that somewhat respectable, even if it is annoying) but the impression that some mappers have that they are somehow special.
I think I lost sight of the point of my post as I was typing it so I'm going to re-iterate it in a single sentence:
Please be aware of the full scope of the task.
Guilty as charged, as awp described maps that aren't too exciting. Breaking Up is Hard to Do, anyone?
But what concerns me (and assuming the rest of the non-BATs who frequently mod) is the fact that we mod, they fix, we approve, but no one else will look at the map, because it isn't starred or something. I've tried to bug actual BATs to star/bubble/nuke for me, but I rarely get success for the first two because they don't want to make sure I did a correct job modding, but too lazy/busy to mod it themselves. (This explains my giant seal of approval for everyone to see) Nuking is fine because it doesn't take much for someone which SOME modding experience to say GET THE BOMB SHELTER OUT, WE GOT A NUKE COMIN OUR WAY--- but stealing from Nuke Cabinets is harder than it seems, especially when again, mods are busy.
/rabbling
But what concerns me (and assuming the rest of the non-BATs who frequently mod) is the fact that we mod, they fix, we approve, but no one else will look at the map, because it isn't starred or something. I've tried to bug actual BATs to star/bubble/nuke for me, but I rarely get success for the first two because they don't want to make sure I did a correct job modding, but too lazy/busy to mod it themselves. (This explains my giant seal of approval for everyone to see) Nuking is fine because it doesn't take much for someone which SOME modding experience to say GET THE BOMB SHELTER OUT, WE GOT A NUKE COMIN OUR WAY--- but stealing from Nuke Cabinets is harder than it seems, especially when again, mods are busy.
/rabbling
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i don't think i have what it takes to be a BAT ( or atleast not yet )
but im kinda interested in getting more fun and beatmaps with Innovative Patterns ( if there is anything that hasn't been done yet )
so i will be checking beatmaps from now on, i have plenty freetime so i will test and give my opinion to the creators
also hmmm i have a suggestion... i think the BATS should gather a day and name some beatmaps and run a poll in the forum with those maps so the winner at the end of let's say a week the most voted map gets priority
but im kinda interested in getting more fun and beatmaps with Innovative Patterns ( if there is anything that hasn't been done yet )
so i will be checking beatmaps from now on, i have plenty freetime so i will test and give my opinion to the creators
also hmmm i have a suggestion... i think the BATS should gather a day and name some beatmaps and run a poll in the forum with those maps so the winner at the end of let's say a week the most voted map gets priority
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That isn't really necessary, as we don't have a sole member moderating beatmaps. A BAT nomination poll would make more sense. Although, anyone with enough skill and time to become one should have already been contacted, right?minyeob wrote:
How about holding BAT election?
I wonder how is a BAT chosen..
Read the original post and you might find outsonnyc wrote:
I wonder how is a BAT chosen..
Edited the post.
EDIT: lol Skyripper you're GMT. Why?
Same here, I express public interest, too.
EDIT: lol Skyripper you're GMT. Why?
Same here, I express public interest, too.
minyeob, you are a good mod... that's all I know about it.
Consider this the post in which I express an interest in BATdom.
I'm not asking. I'm just expressing public interest.
Consider this the post in which I express an interest in BATdom.
I'm not asking. I'm just expressing public interest.
Hm, I wonder if being active in #mod counts as being active in IRC...haha...Probably does when BATs see this activity being done.
Same here, I express public interest as well. Those requirements seem exciting and great...though in depth. I wonder if the current staff looks for that. But ap! No bashing the staff, they're cool cats.
Same here, I express public interest as well. Those requirements seem exciting and great...though in depth. I wonder if the current staff looks for that. But ap! No bashing the staff, they're cool cats.
I wonder why osuplayer111 is still not a part of BAT...
This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.
Any chance?
Any chance?
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He makes all my work look so useless. I wasted so much time. ; ^ ;
What's the point of this thread? Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones. 
There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.Derekku Chan wrote:
Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.
I think we're doing a fine job. We're ranking maps at a steady pace, etc. And have fun with those tons of maps I ranked today. zz
take out the garbage and you're left with about 5JarJarJacob wrote:
There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.Derekku Chan wrote:
Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.
thats pretty rude.lukewarmholiday wrote:
take out the garbage and you're left with about 5JarJarJacob wrote:
There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.Derekku Chan wrote:
Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.
Everyone starts somewhere.
Notice the eyeroll, it was sarcasmJarJarJacob wrote:
There are currently 17 pages of pending maps, of course there is a need for a bigger BAT.Derekku Chan wrote:
Current BATs keep saying that there's no need for new ones.
Yes, I think there should be more BATs. There's very capable people that could do the job. Right now I see a few very active BATs, a few moderately active BATs, and then the rest I never see post and are very inactive. :<
Yes, maps are getting ranked at a steady pace, but like I said in irc a few weeks ago: There's thousands more users than there used to be. There are also dozens/hundreds more maps now. If there's no increase in BATs to compensate for this, then it creates problems and people start getting upset.
</mytwocents>
Sir Minelli wrote:
This guy called me yesterday and told me he wanted to be a BAT.
Any chance?
alone his badass avatar make me believe, this guy can do the job
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Topic Starter
Please direct your complaints at Ivalset, he's the BAT promoter person thingy 
Be warned, Ival don't take no shit from anyone.
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I think I have the qualifications for a BAT...but anyways...True. I think.
In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.
BAT makes some people think they are more superior than normal mods.True. I think. But some BATs (I don't want to say names) really better them normal modders.
More BATs does not necessarily mean more ranked maps. What we need to do is get all of our BATs active again.tieff wrote:
In my greedy point of view we have enough BAT members.I don't think so. We have too many maps in pending and work-in-progress. I don't think it possible... But I want balance beetween new map/ranked map.
Also theres much more to being a BAT than just modding maps, trust me.
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More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.tieff wrote:
I trust you. But modding maps get high priority, right?
Hmm... I don't know about this. Btw, this power is nothing. I don't think like really good modders wanna became BAT just becouse of forum/IRC moderation power.RemmyX25 wrote:
More like equal priority. It's also a judge of character, since BATs are also forum / IRC moderators, and i think its a reallyyy bad idea giving those powers to just anyone.
Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.
Items like this are considered when there are users that may have BAT potential. :3tieff wrote:
Then сandidate in BAT/Global Mod should be persone, who has long been in game and who don't use your power in bad goal.
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We need active BAT's that's for sure.
So why not make active modders who have been here a long time available for this so called "BAT promotion".
..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?
So why not make active modders who have been here a long time available for this so called "BAT promotion".
..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?
This is to chop redundant and repetitive team things.animask wrote:
..btw if its called BAT why do they do more than just beatmap approval stuff?
BATs are also known as the moderators of osu! as well. That's kind of why they have !silence, !kill, and other interesting powers of the like. They also help peppy identify bugs in test builds, so when you obtain your public build, there's way less of the troubles than what you'd originally get.
And I would recommend people, but I'm too much of a fresh meat for that. Too much BATs is also another thing, but that point has already been mentioned. ._.
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Two reasons why current staff is enough but doesn't seem like enough:
One, as many say, is due to inactive BAT members. But rather than focus on who is inactive, focus on how active the BAT are as a whole. Some BAT members really do not mod a lot (and I mean like three times a month or something) but I tend to disregard them as an accurate representation of the "BAT" identity.
The second reason is that people are getting lazy with their maps. What is the ratio, I wonder, of BAT posts to BAT bubble/ranks. In a perfect world, it would be 1:1. BATs are considered experts in the field of modding and their opinions are considered valuable. But that's no reason to just do a half-assed job, sit back, and wait until one of the BAT comes along and lists all the problems/improvements with the map so you can go an' fix 'em without having to look too hard. Yes, the kudosu system has done a great job of getting everyone to pitch in and help out, but I just want to restate a very important point (this is gonna enter someone's sig, probably)
The rate at which maps are ranked is not a reflection of the efficacy of the BAT, it is a reflection of the efficacy of the community as a whole.
One, as many say, is due to inactive BAT members. But rather than focus on who is inactive, focus on how active the BAT are as a whole. Some BAT members really do not mod a lot (and I mean like three times a month or something) but I tend to disregard them as an accurate representation of the "BAT" identity.
The second reason is that people are getting lazy with their maps. What is the ratio, I wonder, of BAT posts to BAT bubble/ranks. In a perfect world, it would be 1:1. BATs are considered experts in the field of modding and their opinions are considered valuable. But that's no reason to just do a half-assed job, sit back, and wait until one of the BAT comes along and lists all the problems/improvements with the map so you can go an' fix 'em without having to look too hard. Yes, the kudosu system has done a great job of getting everyone to pitch in and help out, but I just want to restate a very important point (this is gonna enter someone's sig, probably)
The rate at which maps are ranked is not a reflection of the efficacy of the BAT, it is a reflection of the efficacy of the community as a whole.
Seeing as how I mod, I should probably be shooting for BAT.
Oh well, *ahem*...
I agree with everything awp said above (Especially with the "Lazy Mappers" part), but a few more BATs wouldn't hurt.
I've always wondered, if peppy said there shouldn't be more than 2/3 bubbles, why are there like 7/8 bubbles? Perhaps we need more BATs to take care about it.
I'm just sayin', ignore me as you please. .-.
Oh well, *ahem*...
I agree with everything awp said above (Especially with the "Lazy Mappers" part), but a few more BATs wouldn't hurt.
I've always wondered, if peppy said there shouldn't be more than 2/3 bubbles, why are there like 7/8 bubbles? Perhaps we need more BATs to take care about it.
I'm just sayin', ignore me as you please. .-.
I vote for a seperate team that actually only "Approves Beatmaps" and ranks them...
Could you explain why these groups need to be separated in the first place?animask wrote:
I vote for a seperate team that actually only "Approves Beatmaps" and ranks them...
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This sounds a lot like an original idea about having a special 'mod' group I heard about months ago, or a newbie BAT group (Something like that). It's more as in the lines of people in this special group were allowed to mod + bubble, but they couldn't rank. I don't know what happened to that idea now.
I don't think giving "pre-BATs" the ability to rank is a good idea. It's better for a more qualified person, such as a BAT, to do such tasks. They can bubble the map though (Pre-BATs), which doesn't hurt much at all (Has no bad consequences).
I don't think giving "pre-BATs" the ability to rank is a good idea. It's better for a more qualified person, such as a BAT, to do such tasks. They can bubble the map though (Pre-BATs), which doesn't hurt much at all (Has no bad consequences).
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awp : Couldn't we have a team that was meant to help with the editing of beatmaps if thats the case?awp wrote:
BAT are technically not supposed to mod
To help people with editor? There's the faq, tutorials, and anyone in #mod/#osu to help with that.
To mod? There's too many maps to mod for there to be a "team" of people to do it. Everyone just needs to help mod as a community :<
To mod? There's too many maps to mod for there to be a "team" of people to do it. Everyone just needs to help mod as a community :<
Derekku Chan : I was thinking more of a team that fills in the blank of the 2 teams so far.
If the BAT were meant to approve. Global Mods were meant for the forums. The team for helping to mod would fit in pretty well right? I know the community can do a lot of work to help but we could use a little support with the ranking process. Even though I think its going much faster than before. This will prevent any future build-ups for sure.
also...if the team is created can I join? =o
EDIT: The team could have the ability to raise SP by like 5 or something =o
If the BAT were meant to approve. Global Mods were meant for the forums. The team for helping to mod would fit in pretty well right? I know the community can do a lot of work to help but we could use a little support with the ranking process. Even though I think its going much faster than before. This will prevent any future build-ups for sure.
also...if the team is created can I join? =o
EDIT: The team could have the ability to raise SP by like 5 or something =o
K, here's your beatmap modding team:
Beatmap Modding Team:
Anyone who isn't a BAT
I even made a guide on how to mod, and if someone has time to map they have time to mod, so no excuses, guys.
Beatmap Modding Team:
Anyone who isn't a BAT
I even made a guide on how to mod, and if someone has time to map they have time to mod, so no excuses, guys.
This.Ekaru wrote:
Beatmap Modding Team:
Anyone who isn't a BAT
You don't need more BATs to mod, you need more regular players to test drive your map.
i think it is safe to say that we can delete half of these guidelines now.
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This post makes me giggle now. Grats minyeob~ (yes, again)minyeob wrote:
I'll try.
If not, tell me what to develop more. I'm a beginner modder
More regular players' modding also helps someone's map.RemmyX25 wrote:
This.Ekaru wrote:
Beatmap Modding Team:
Anyone who isn't a BAT
You don't need more BATs to mod, you need more regular players to test drive your map.
It can consider everyone's hope :3
Anyway...
BMT seems good :3
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YES.
YES I DO.
YES I DO.
That's true.0_o wrote:
YES.
YES I DO.
When I reach 5 ranked maps I will post here again. (lol)
Yeah. If I stop being lazy and actually mod more. I could qualify... But not now. Gonna go and do lazy things.
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Uh, maybe once I stop being lazy and start finishing my maps (and modding more). Stupid school .
.Everyone with 5 or more ranked maps is now a BAT.
Discuss.
Discuss.
orly?JarJarJacob wrote:
Everyone with 5 or more ranked maps is now a BAT.
Discuss.
I think that's slightly prejudice towards all the beatmappers. Ranked beatmaps only show that they seem to get more attention than most people and popularity shouldn't be a major issue when being a BAT.
someone make Card'n'Force a BAT ok? thanks
You seem to think that everyone must have the same skills when it comes to beatmapping in order to make the assumption that more ranked maps = more popularanimask wrote:
I think that's slightly prejudice towards all the beatmappers. Ranked beatmaps only show that they seem to get more attention than most people and popularity shouldn't be a major issue when being a BAT.
but there's also this to consider: some people need between 0 and 4 corrections to have a map ranked. Others need between 40 and 50.
Back to the 5+ ranked == bat, this would imply the better you are at beatmapping, the faster you become a bat, and isn't this what we want anyway? Good people? Or at least persistent people.
Just because they can get things done faster doesn't mean they're better
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Uh...but shouldn't be we not ignore those user posts? I mean, what if they had corrections? Unless they were all StarGens wrote:
(If you go look at my beatmap threads, ignore the normal user posts; the first BAT finds little to no errors, then bubble and rank it. At least in my recent maps.
and the like, I would count those corrections too.Well, yeah, but most users pull out suggestions I disagree with, and they are small (clap here, new combo), so that's why I said that. Since I'm trying to get my priority up now, I can't avoid those horrible nazis. I was mainly referring to major issues. ;oStarrodkirby86 wrote:
Uh...but shouldn't be we not ignore those user posts? I mean, what if they had corrections? Unless they were all Star
Well, we have to see
I have already 33 ranked beatmaps, so I'm sure ranked beatmaps for me isn't a problem XD
Anyway yes, why not. I wanna try
I have already 33 ranked beatmaps, so I'm sure ranked beatmaps for me isn't a problem XD
Anyway yes, why not. I wanna try
Personality counts too. Arbitrary numbers suck.