Okay, I'm going through the entire thread and pointing out suspicious actions.
MONSTER POST but there's a lot to go over. It's probably disorganized because this text box is so small. >_<
Not gonna proof read either. x_x
Echo wrote:
ISeriously, forget what I said about not bringing personal issues into the game; vote Kuwarudo. strager can go on day 2.
The last comment about "strager can go on day 2" means Echo suspects either I am not the Doctor or he is a Mafia (or both, but I doubt that).
Of course, as BagelBob points out, his believing that I am the Doctor has swayed:
BagelBob wrote:
Also, I'd like to point out.
Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role.
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874
Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180
Thus, I repeat
BagelBob wrote:
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
Also here, it is clear Echo doesn't believe I am the Doctor:
Echo wrote:
strager wrote:
Echo wrote:
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.
Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?
There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.
There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.
Another:
Echo wrote:
strager wrote:
I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.
I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.
Why would he twist my statement into a role claim for a Cop but not believe my role claim for a Doctor? I
know you don't think I'm a Cop and you're trying to confuse us.
So does Echo really believe I am the Doctor? That's for anyone to decide for themselves but I believe his indecisiveness means he doesn't believe I am the Doctor. Thus, the only reasonable option is that Echo is a Mafia.
----------To support BagelBob's point about Echo's indecisiveness, I'll bring up another quote from Echo:
Echo wrote:
That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.
Which contradicts:
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
----------0_o seems to be very forgiving, and I'm not sure how to take this.
0_o wrote:
I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent
0_o wrote:
as much as kuwarudo's posts can be annoying/pointless, I'm inclined to believe him in his villager claim, and I don't want to lynch a townie just so I don't have to skip over some useless posts. So (sorry) unvote Kuwarudo
0_o wrote:
I just don't have enough to go on to vote anyone right now, we need people to talk so we can get to know them and base decisions off of their arguments.
0_o seems to stay away from the fray, even though he encourages it. He slips under the radar in most of his posts.
0_o wrote:
ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi.
He doesn't state how he came to this conclusion and how he ruled out anyone as being pro-Town.
----------Echo wrote:
derekku has posted about absolutely nothing. All the so-called votes he's pointing out as "suspicious" are random votes made at the start of the game.
True, but 0_o has posted about absolutely nothing as well.
Also, if you post about absolutely nothing you're more likely to know about absolutely nothing. On the other hand, if you post about a lot of things, you probably know more than other people do.
So it seems as if Echo's "FOS" (first something suspect???) is Derekku it's completely unbased, because I am pretty sure Echo knows what I just said in the previous paragraph. So either that "FOS" is a random "FOS" or just meant to point figures elsewhere than the Mafia.
Also:
Echo wrote:
Finally, the coup de grâce (in the same post):
strager wrote:
So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team [townie] is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.
Now he's backing out of the claim!
I can't change my mind? If everything were set in stone this game wouldn't be fun. You may see I seem like a hypocrite because I mentioned Echo's indecisiveness, but this is different. Rather than jumping around some ideas like Echo has to try and put up a convincing argument, I stated that I changed my views because of a valid argument. How is my case wrong?
----------BagelBob wrote:
I'd also like to add
strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.
That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
----------I noticed something which could be very subtle and thus I am totally over-looking-into:
Echo wrote:
strager wrote:
Echo wrote:
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.
Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?
There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.
And BagelBob's response:
BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Echo shows that a certain strategy won't work for the Town, and BagelBob says it does. Echo also probably doesn't believe I am the Doctor (see first part of this post), and thus thinks I am "drawing attention away from the real aux roles." He is thus stating a plan will fail, and tries to fail that plan. More reason to suspect Echo is a Mafia.
BagelBob on the other hand says that the strategy could work. He's supportive of the Town, but I don't think he really believes I am the Doctor. Either way, only those of the Town would truly support the Town, so he's probably of the Town ("Townie" is the correct terminology?).
----------Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his
latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.