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foulcoon

Mashley wrote:

animask wrote:

RVS is obviously over and the discussion already started
Like I said, everything so far has just been the usual day one stuff. It's quite clear that Ekaru is a newbie (not saying they can't be mafia of course), and none of the following discussion is especially scummy and it mostly rational, if a little sensationalist. It makes no sense to lynch people who have been genuinely contributing, as the lynch on day one is always just luck based unless a scum seriously gives themselves away.

Mashley wrote:

So vote Newbie before an actual poster gets lynched

if you wanted my reasoning
Sync
oh my god I was sleeping when the day ended but lynching mafia D1 was badass as fuck

also, a newbie lynch is stupid. he's only posted 3 times and people who are rushing a newbie lynch are scummier than the grease that allocates under an unwashed mcdonald's deep fryer

*BAM*
Rantai
Wow, nice description there.

foulcoon actually has a pretty solid point. After pointing it out I can see how badly Mashley was deflecting into a lurker. Huh.
Sync
thanks~

also can't tell if foulcoon has, for the first time (in a game we were both in), voted for somebody with reason before he was asked

he was mafia in most of those games

probably town or just fucking with my head

</meta>
Mashley
It's not as if animask's lynch was a genuine consensus at the deadline; he had two votes on him for crying out loud. It simply came down to people not being active enough at the end of the day to actually discuss and form a consensus on who the most suitable lynch would be. I tried to start discussion, of course in the end animask flipped scum so it was a good lynch but it could have gone very badly.
Wojjan
Vote: Mashley

you jus mad cause I called scum D1
Ekaru

Mashley wrote:

he had two votes on him for crying out loud.
...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2; in other words, animask had an extremely high chance of getting lynched at that point in time unless you managed to get votes off of animask. The 3 people who were voting on animask at that time clearly weren't going to go for Ekaru or NoHItter, so you had to bring up somebody else instead. Who else to go for than a lurker?

Combine this oh-so-convenient overlook with what foulcoon and Wojjan have already said and I'm definitely going with...

vote: Mashley
Ekaru
*Yes, I know you said 2 votes at the deadline, but what I mean is that you're ignoring what the votes were at the time you voted in favor of the more-favorable-for-you deadline votes.
Mashley

Ekaru wrote:

...You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when you voted for Newbie animask had 3 votes on him, not 2
Your point is? That still leaves a huge number who hadn't voted or discussed who we should lynch at at all. In a 15 person game 3 votes is nothing. There was little to no genuine suspicion about animask as far as I know, and those were just the typical votes that animask gets when he posts his usual gibberish so it was actually quite a shock when he actually flipped town. At that point, as always Day 1 there were no strong arguments for lynching anyone, so the best policy had to be lynching a lurker. I mean look at the final vote count, there were three other people with the same number of votes as animask, he only actually got lynched because of when the votes were cast.
Of course I'm not saying we shouldn't have lynched animask but you have to look back to Day One and think, was there ever sufficient reasoning to lynch animask? No, of course not. We got lucky.
Wojjan
Have you read Day one? I had superfluous reason to suspect both animask and nohitter.
Mashley
I-I skimmed it D:
Wojjan
well then read it for real, you were there for the most part so it only confuses me more why you wouldn't make a case on what had happened so far and lynch newbie instead
foulcoon
yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.

don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.

also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!

p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
DeathxShinigami
Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
Wojjan

foulcoon wrote:

yeah Sync, I'm obviously mafia and fucking with you, which is why I left my vote on a mafia member instead of easily saving them by unvoting.

don't worry mashley, if you flip town we'll lynch DxS.

also Wojjan don't take credit for something I called a mile away okay. you didnt even vote for him!

p.s. Thanks whoever voted with me (ekaru i think).
huh, turns out you did call it

alright let foulcoon lead town
LadySuburu
I'm leaning mash too, but that's mostly a gut thing.
Wojjan


promise me mashley's head
DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Ekaru

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.
foulcoon

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
more like mafia motivator who last minute vote changed in an effort to not lynch their mafia buddy
Topic Starter
Salvage
JInxyjem replaces -Newbie-


Ivalset replaces pieguy1372
Jinxy
Yo

I won't be able to read nor post until.a few.hours, I still have.classes

those dots are.typos ignore them
Ivalset
Evening folks.

Going to reread the thread, etc.
Sync
hi
Jinxy
From what I can see right now, DxS is suspicious to me. He was also voting for Newbie over animask in Day 1, with a pretty weak reason too.

Then he was suggested as a lynch by foul and claimed right there and then, as a motivator who targeted Ekaru. Ekaru's reply:

Ekaru wrote:

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Nope.

Roleclaim: Motivator

I motivated Ekaru N1. Carry on now.
For the record, I got no notification that I was motivated. You guys can take that as you will.
However, the only thing that doesn't go well with my suspicions is that DxS could have made much better claims than one that's easily refuted. Possibly roleblocked?

But then again, this is the man who claimed Innocent Child in Celebrity, so I dunno
Ekaru
Okay, I got the motivation notification overnight. Salvage just missed it the first time, apparently. XP
Jinxy
...k.
Topic Starter
Salvage
DAY EXTENDED BY 12 HOURS
Jinxy
Around 42 more hours
Ivalset

Rantai wrote:

Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.

For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.

Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.

I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
foulcoon

Ivalset wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Huh... pretty sure that's a NoHItter lynch if I'm looking at this right.
This line stands out to me pretty heavily. It seems like at the last minute of day 1, there was a fair amount of vote shuffling in a misguided attempt to avoid lynching animask via tied votes. DxS brought animask's votes to 3, then animask pushed NoHItter up to 2, then DxS unvotes and votes for Newbie instead, possibly hoping that animask going from 3 -> 2 would put him behind NoHItter in the lynch line.

For this reasoning I find all of Mashley, DxS and Rantai to be suspicious in different degrees.

Mashley for clearly attempting to save animask by persuading people to vote for a lurker instead.
DxS for his actions - pushing animask above 2 then back down to 2.
and Rantai for misreading the tied vote rules and bringing attention to the vote changes.

I'm quite comfortable with a Mashley lynch right now, so Vote: Mashley
well to be fair, even though DxS looks scummy, if it weren't for his vote + unvote animask wouldnt have been lynched...
Ivalset
Pretty sure he still would have. Animask was at 2 votes and at the top of the lynch list before dxs voted and unvoted.
Rantai
Huh. No.

I went through it carefully. Hitter was the first to 2 votes, not animask. This is based off an earlier game (ages ago, can't remember which game) where the mechanics worked via:

SPOILER
A is at 2
B is 3

B to be lynched

A is at 2
B is unvoted to 2

A to be lynched

Take that as you will. In the end it was a mod decision where my words hold no sway.
Rantai
And yes, I do know that was your argument against me.
Ivalset
Those were mechanics introduced into two's first mafia game but were changed before the game started. Interestingly enough, you were involved in the discussion.

viewtopic.php?p=1027357#p1027357

Discussion on the tied vote rule is on the first two pages.

viewtopic.php?p=1330260#p1330260 is where animask is solidified at 2 votes and never falls below that. At that point in time, animask is second on the lynch list - viewtopic.php?p=1330461#p1330461

Later, sync brings ekaru up to 3 votes but then unvotes, then animask unvotes ekaru and seals his own fate by bringing himself to the top of the lynch list. Furthermore, Nohitter drops to 1 vote viewtopic.php?p=1333209#p1333209 when mashley votes for newbie instead. When animask switches to nohitter and puts him at 2 votes, animask is still first to be lynched because he reached 2 votes before nohitter did.

Also, there's an example of how tied votes works in this game in the first post!
Rantai
The first post doesn't cover 3 to 2~ (it's a 2v2 situation)

Though thanks for reminding me where that discussion took place. It seems I got the original mechanic stuck in my head.

Well then, that's cleared up for me.
bmin11
will post after dinner. I'm so behind of this game orz
bmin11
I understand that the voting was very odd last night. They could have really just focused someone so animask won't get lynched. However, one post animask has made gave me a pretty bad impression.

animask wrote:

Fos Mashley

*Reasons why he FoSes Mashley*


Vote: NoHItter
This is very odd and makes me pretty confident that animask is trying to distance Mashley. Like, he explains a lot about Mashley, but ends up voting for NoHItter without his own reasoning :<


Vote: Mashley
Topic Starter
Salvage
VOTE COUNT:


Mashley (5) - foulcoon, Ekaru, Wojjan, Ivalset, bmin11




Not voting (8) -LadySuburu, JInxjyjem, DeathxShinigami, Mashley, 0_o, Sync, Rantai, Lilac
Sync
vote Mashley

SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP

actually the relationship between animask and mashley is pretty hilarious
Mashley
Roleclaim Doublevoter
Seriously I can't even defend myself against this... My day one vote looked scummy out of pure coincidence, and if people are so convinced that I'm scum there's nothing I can do. My second vote shows as anonymous and is cast through PM, which is weird since as I understand it's usually just cast in the thread through 'vote 2:' or whatever... I dunno about that though.
Mashley
inb4 scum jumps in and hammers me
Rantai
Well proving a double voter isn't hard I guess.

But that role can swing both ways so er yeah, not sure if I can believe you're town right now.
bmin11
Argh, the problem with double voters are that they can easily be a vote stealer. We could try to tie the vote up until N-1 with someone majority and make Mashley to hammer to see if the vote was stolen was double voted.
Ivalset
Well, if you're a double voter then vote for someone twice and we'll see it as anonymous on the votecount. That seems pretty easy to test.
LadySuburu
We can prove his claim, but we can't prove that he's town.


As a purely role-based look:

Anonymous doublevoter benefits scum more than town. (Is better as a scum role)

Open doublevoter benefits town more than scum. (Is better as a town role)


Now, with that being said we've had tons of roles in recent games that would generally be thought of as scum-aligned that aren't. I'm not sure that his claim being true or not should change anything about how scummy he is.
0_o
Yeah, even if he is telling the truth there's nothing about the role that really clears him. Worse case scenario we mislynch a scummy town doublevoter, which as far as aux roles go, is one of the safer ones to lose.

Any objections to a hammer?
Mashley
Oh right
Vote foulcoon
Second vote should show up in the next votecount.
Jinxy
Hm, day ended 2 hours ago I believe

Or did I fuck up times again
Topic Starter
Salvage
VOTE COUNT:


Mashley (5) - foulcoon, Ekaru, Wojjan, Ivalset, bmin11
foulcoon (1) - Mashley
Mashley (1) - Billy Bob




Not voting (7) -LadySuburu, JInxjyjem, DeathxShinigami, 0_o, Sync, Rantai, Lilac





Mashley - Mafia 1-Shot Janitor - Lynched D2




IT IS NOW NIGHT 2, DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS
Topic Starter
Salvage
Nobody died.



IT IS NOW DAY 3, DEADLINE IS IN 72 HOURS
Sync
lol'd

is mafia completely inactive or some shit
foulcoon
you guys love me.

okay im thinking DxS for lynch

also thinking LS is town
foulcoon
first off im thinking one of the two replacement people could be mafia. just depends on who was more likely, pieguy or -Newbie-

also read the bold:

Ivalset wrote:

Those were mechanics introduced into two's first mafia game but were changed before the game started. Interestingly enough, you were involved in the discussion.

viewtopic.php?p=1027357#p1027357

Discussion on the tied vote rule is on the first two pages.

viewtopic.php?p=1330260#p1330260 is where animask is solidified at 2 votes and never falls below that. At that point in time, animask is second on the lynch list - viewtopic.php?p=1330461#p1330461

Later, sync brings ekaru up to 3 votes but then unvotes, then animask unvotes ekaru and seals his own fate by bringing himself to the top of the lynch list. Furthermore, Nohitter drops to 1 vote viewtopic.php?p=1333209#p1333209 when mashley votes for newbie instead. When animask switches to nohitter and puts him at 2 votes, animask is still first to be lynched because he reached 2 votes before nohitter did.

Also, there's an example of how tied votes works in this game in the first post!
havent considered the possibility that sync and or ekaru are mafia yet.

any thoughts?
Ivalset
I don't think Ekaru is mafia simply because it seems ridiculous to allow animask to be lynched that easily d1.

I'm honestly even more surprised that no one died.

I'm fine with a DxS lynch and maybe a Sync lynch. Really not convinced on an Ekaru lynch.
Ekaru
havent considered the possibility that sync and or ekaru are mafia yet.

any thoughts?
If I was mafia then I would've voted for NoHItter on day one, not animask. ;P
bmin11
I'm up Lilac just purely for his inactiveness.


By the way, how many mafias do you guys expect?
Rantai
18 players. I'd say 4 possibly 5 but that's pushing it.

Also; Vote: 0_o

0_o wrote:

Yeah, even if he is telling the truth there's nothing about the role that really clears him. Worse case scenario we mislynch a scummy town doublevoter, which as far as aux roles go, is one of the safer ones to lose.

Any objections to a hammer?
Echo, justifying possible town lynch (under the guise of 'safe'), fishing for hammer confirmation. To a lesser degree a vote on Mashley in rvs (distancing anyone?).
bmin11
Good point

My lynch list: Lilac, DxS, 0_o
Ivalset

Rantai wrote:

18 players. I'd say 4 possibly 5 but that's pushing it.
You must be drunk.
Rantai
5:13 probably an indy. Maybe 5:12:1?

Sitting close to a 2 for 1. 4:13:1 seems a bit more reasonable.
Ivalset

Salvage wrote:

Hi guys, so this is my first mafia game hosted and hopefully not my last one .. i don't know if i'd really want to host another one but we'll see.



So well .. there is not much to say, registration right here and rules at the bottom, 15 players max (: .. roles are premade (not PyP) so yeah, go then love u all.
Rantai
I am drunk. I counted the total players with the dead players.
Rantai
Well given 15 I'd say 4 for sure.

Them deceptive strikes.
DeathxShinigami
I ended up motivating LS in N2 so okay.

If you wanna lynch me fine by me but I'll flip town~
Rantai
You know, I actually believe that.

Just because it's not a ridiculous claim for once.
Ekaru
Mod: Prod Lilac please.

I've seen him lurking before and he still hasn't posted in like forever.

Other than that, yeah, I'm suspicious of 0_o simply for coming out of nowhere and then going, "Yeah, he's pretty much the best choice to lynch today. Any objections to hammering him?" Why ask to hammer in that case? The only reason to ask is if you're consciously trying to come off as a cautious townie. If you were town then you'd just go for the hammer because, as he just said, there was pretty much nothing to lose. He *knew* that, but asked anyway... Probably because, again, he wanted to come off as pro-town.

Vote: 0_o
Wojjan
you're welcome by the way.
Ekaru has a point with 0_o but it's something I am not that confident on.

By the way since I've been leading like crazy odds are I'm dying tonight or tomorrow. Town Oracle. Each night I get to ask questions about the setup.
First night I checked the amount of scum, there are four mafia total.
Second I asked if the mafia has any investigative roles, I got a no. There's no scum rolecop so if there's a town one and he can confirm someone else's role then THEY ARE TOWN, NO DOUBT.
I'll check night three to see if there are any protectives around so a cop can claim unless anyone else has a better idea.

Vote bmin11
we are waaay past lynching lurkers over that alone, scummy scumscum
Wojjan
Salvage I echo the sentiment of prodding/replacing all the lurkerlosers also you forgot to add the daystart link into the OP
Topic Starter
Salvage
Adding that, Prodding Lilac, going to take a pee.
Lilac
Yeah. I only got the modem last night...

I'm willing to believe DxS is town if LS confirms the motivation. Sync v. Ekaru, Sync would be the better lynch.

I want to ask the people who want DxS lynched as the what the actual reason is...because I don't think I've seen one reason about him yet at all.
Rantai
He's scummy, duh.
Wojjan
...

can you give a little more detail
Lilac
Wow, that was so convincing. Cause saying what I did at night and continuously yelling I am Town makes me scum. I guess if you want to say anything, D1 and the beginning of D2 is really the only time he did anything. An initial vote on Newbie with apparently "no strong arguments, just who do you want to keep D1" then votes him beginning D2 straight off the bat because it seems to be "He didn't vote for/ignored Newbie."

I'm okay with a 0_o and a bmin lynch, just saying.
Wojjan
Lilac I don't follow that at all
Wojjan
if you want a tip use names instead of pronouns it makes for amuuuch easier read
Rantai
For the record I actually think DxS is town. Sarcasm is lost in text.
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

Wow, that was so convincing. Cause saying what I did at night and continuously yelling I am Town makes me scum.
Essentially, I was pretending to be DxS in that second sentence. :P

For the second bit, he voted for Newbie initially with no reasoning...and then has a reason which could have been said with his vote as he was near end of day.
Lilac
Remember, I don't think he's actually fully mafia.
Wojjan
wellllll DxS claims motivator and when LS gets in here we'll hear the jist of it
Wojjan
not acting on anything re: him until that happens
Lilac
I agree with that much.
Ekaru

Wojjan wrote:

wellllll DxS claims motivator and when LS gets in here we'll hear the jist of it
This. He already said he motivated me and I can confirm this, so if LS also confirms then he's definitely town.
Wojjan
Well motivator isn't per se town, 0_o can account for that. It does however confirm his role and giving him targets to motivate or else he gets caught in the act will also keep scum motivator busy
Ekaru

Wojjan wrote:

Well motivator isn't per se town, 0_o can account for that. It does however confirm his role and giving him targets to motivate or else he gets caught in the act will also keep scum motivator busy
Oh, okay. Good point!
LadySuburu
DxS's motivation will take place on me next night. So I technically couldn't confirm it, if it weren't for the fact that me and DxS are Masons and I saw his action. (The confirmed to each other type, I PMed Salvage about this.)

I don't think motivating me was a great idea though.
Wojjan
masons
this game is getting better and better
Wojjan
mod: Mashley is still in the living players list
Topic Starter
Salvage
can u stop correcting me plsssssssssssssssss
bmin11
I'm still up for a lurker lynch, because of how inactive the mafia side was even we had two mafia lynches. We even had a no NK situation and since Salvage is choosing the least beneficial, I'm guessing Salvage just directed the shot to someone with protections and such. I'm basing this on a claim that mafia has lost their interest for this game.

Reason I thought DxS could be mafia was because of his meta. Most cases, he will simply ask for a lynch whenever he was being suspected. Well, he pulled it again and that pretty much makes my reasoning back to zero, so I'm not up for DxS lynch anymore.


EDIT: English
Wojjan
Well assuming that their kill got redirected to a protected is entirely baseless, scum could just as probably outright his the protected. It's not enough to lynch a lurker over
Wojjan
I don't even see why you would see "no kill" and assume that instead of "sucessful doc protect" it's "maf was all afk and got autoprotected"
bmin11

Wojjan wrote:

I don't even see why you would see "no kill" and assume that instead of "sucessful doc protect" it's "maf was all afk and got autoprotected"
I'm basing this on a claim that mafia has lost their interest for this game.
bmin11
AKA I'm suggesting a possibility and also suggesting not to overlook those lurkers.
Wojjan

Sync wrote:

lol'd

is mafia completely inactive or some shit
is this the claim if so vote sync
Sync
it's true though

same thing happened in robot mafia

or something blocking nightkills could of happened
Rantai
The logical conclusion is that a protection occurred.

Assuming inactive mafia is.... hasty.
foulcoon
DxS, motivate me tonight and i'll believe you. thanks

also, watching you guys talk. I'm on the fence today, no clearly obvious scum like days 1 and 2 lawl.
Rantai
No opinion on Facey at all?

Also time for a long awaited snooze.
0_o

Rantai wrote:

18 players. I'd say 4 possibly 5 but that's pushing it.

Also; Vote: 0_o

0_o wrote:

Yeah, even if he is telling the truth there's nothing about the role that really clears him. Worse case scenario we mislynch a scummy town doublevoter, which as far as aux roles go, is one of the safer ones to lose.

Any objections to a hammer?
Echo, justifying possible town lynch (under the guise of 'safe'), fishing for hammer confirmation. To a lesser degree a vote on Mashley in rvs (distancing anyone?).
I just didn't wanna kill the discussion by hammering. If I had hammered, one could just as easily say that I wanted to stifle discussion since he was pretty much dead anyway.

And really, distancing via RVS vote? That's kinda grasping.

Anyway, I agree with bmin. Having players who lurked the whole game at LyLo sucks, and I think it would be best to cut them off while we still have the breathing room to do so.

vote Lilac

Mildly suspicious of Rantai (might be subconsciously OMGUS, but nonetheless)
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