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TaliNation

Joined July 2012

TaliNation 2017-08-13T10:44:07+00:00

AVANCED

- 00:03:770 (2) - NC for readability

- 00:23:802 (2,3,4) - In general slider ends translate a sound less strong than slider heads. Here you have to put all the sounds at the same level to translate the song. I suggest you to put strong hitsounds in the slider head and slider end of 2 and 3 and in 4

- 00:25:351 (2,3,4) - ^

- 00:26:899 (2,3,4) - ^

EXHAUST

- 00:09:383 (1) - I don't think this NC is needed, this part is repetitive and this aspect is better translated without this NC

- 01:08:926 (1) - Maybe a NC to emphasize the sound like you did here 01:07:972 (1) -

- 01:24:063 (3) - This circle seem out of the place, It do not translate the song like this one 01:26:245 (3) - does. I suggest something like this

- 01:30:063 (2) - NC ?

Great map, good luck for rank

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Alheak 2017-08-13T11:31:59+00:00

TaliNation wrote:
AVANCED

- 00:03:770 (2) - NC for readability i don't think it's necessary, and it would mess with the NCing in this section, leaving 00:03:383 (1) - alone

- 00:23:802 (2,3,4) - In general slider ends translate a sound less strong than slider heads. Here you have to put all the sounds at the same level to translate the song. I suggest you to put strong hitsounds in the slider head and slider end of 2 and 3 and in 4 the sounds are of the same intensity, besides, this is mapped like this for better playability and a cleaner structure since it prevents to many unnecessary overlaps

- 00:25:351 (2,3,4) - ^

- 00:26:899 (2,3,4) - ^
EXHAUST

- 00:09:383 (1) - I don't think this NC is needed, this part is repetitive and this aspect is better translated without this NC changed

- 01:08:926 (1) - Maybe a NC to emphasize the sound like you did here 01:07:972 (1) - nah this NC was placed here simply because NCs are placed once every two measures here, but even then, it'd make this part unnecessarily spammed with NCs if i went with intensity, which is too subjective to properly NC anyway

- 01:24:063 (3) - This circle seem out of the place, It do not translate the song like this one 01:26:245 (3) - does. I suggest something like this this circle is here because while i'm mapping principally the lead intruments, i still want to keep this part rhymical and dynamic, so it helps me map both the note and the beat at 01:24:199 -

- 01:30:063 (2) - NC ? not needed i think, the stack should be enough to emphasize the stop, and it'd mess with the NCing by leaving one lone NCd circle
Great map, good luck for rank

thank you for your help!

Mir

osu! Alumni

2,152 posts

Joined July 2016

Mir 2017-08-15T18:49:19+00:00

hi there
[WOLF'S MAXIMUM]
(why are we screaming)

- 01:27:608 - The finish usage is kinda bleh here imo, could emphasize every white tick instead? It sounds kind of weird considering there's no finishes in the song here and adding them in these places combining red and white ticks is aaa
- 01:41:517 - 01:47:245 - The circle-spam in this part gives across a high intensity part that requires a lot of aim and speed but right after this part you have 01:49:426 - 01:58:767 - where a lot more sliders are used despite the intensity of the music going up. Using rhythm like 01:40:699 (1,2,1,2) - every downbeat or something would be one way to make it less dense to contrast more with the more musically intense part later.
[PONO's GRAVITY]
- 00:09:963 (1,2,1) - Why stack this one when it's similar to 00:09:576 (1,2,3) - and the rest?
- 00:58:154 (2,3) - This is kind of a weird change in movement that isn't done elsewhere. o:
- 01:12:472 - Not sure why you decided to skip this piano if you're following it?
- 01:29:245 (1,2,3) - Visual spacing is kinda meh here.
- 01:33:608 (1,2,3) - Piano spikes quite noticeably but patterning is the same as the lower piano for 01:33:063 (1,2,3) -

- 01:36:336 (1,2,1) - There's like so little movement here for such strong sounds..
[INFINITE]
Again why is 01:40:699 - more circle-heavy than 01:49:426 - ? The latter part is way more intense though isn't it?
[EXHAUST]
- 00:28:738 (4,5) - These could use some SV to stand out a bit more imo.
- 00:50:245 (10,3,4) - Overlap is kinda inconsistent with how you designed the rest of this part. Maybe stack somehow?

Same thing with INFINITE.. the last part is mapped less intensely than the former part (same one I linked) and feels weird.
[ADVANCED]
- 00:01:254 (1,1) - Could at least center the overlap? xd
[AYYY LMAO's NOVICE]
- 00:14:028 (1,2,4,5) - Could make a star pattern out of this?
- 01:49:426 (2) - NC for section change?
- 01:58:154 - 1/3? http://i.imgur.com/KppPeLe.png
[BASIC]
- 00:35:802 (1,1) - Ideally 4 beats of recovery time is good. Possible to do this?
- 01:29:245 (4) - Could do circles for the higher lead tones?

[]
Good luck!

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Alheak 2017-08-15T22:43:04+00:00

Mir wrote:
hi there hello
[INFINITE]
Again why is 01:40:699 - more circle-heavy than 01:49:426 - ? The latter part is way more intense though isn't it? well intensity alone isn't a reason for increasing density, the parts are different and not every note felt like they could be a circle
[EXHAUST]
- 00:28:738 (4,5) - These could use some SV to stand out a bit more imo. this isn't wrong but i feel like it'd be a bit confusing to read, and not that necessary
changed the pattern a bit for something a bit more fitting i believe
- 00:50:245 (10,3,4) - Overlap is kinda inconsistent with how you designed the rest of this part. Maybe stack somehow? fixed

Same thing with INFINITE.. the last part is mapped less intensely than the former part (same one I linked) and feels weird.
[ADVANCED]
- 00:01:254 (1,1) - Could at least center the overlap? xd changed

[BASIC]
- 00:35:802 (1,1) - Ideally 4 beats of recovery time is good. Possible to do this? this doesn't fix the problem, there are still 3 beats xd, and i believe the bpm is low enough to make this fine to play
- 01:29:245 (4) - Could do circles for the higher lead tones? but it'd ruin the cool structure here : (

[]
Good luck!

Thank you!

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-08-17T11:23:08+00:00

Fixed everything from Mir mod (after my rework) thank you !

Fiiix

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GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2017-08-17T19:43:23+00:00

Mir wrote:
hi there HELLO THERE
[WOLF'S MAXIMUM]
(why are we screaming) WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I CAN'T HEAR IT SORRY

- 01:27:608 - The finish usage is kinda bleh here imo, could emphasize every white tick instead? It sounds kind of weird considering there's no finishes in the song here and adding them in these places combining red and white ticks is aaa I used them to emphasize the jumps more, I actually like how it sounds, gives me a feeling of powerful blasting notes, idk maybe it's more of a metal thing dunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- 01:41:517 - 01:47:245 - The circle-spam in this part gives across a high intensity part that requires a lot of aim and speed but right after this part you have 01:49:426 - 01:58:767 - where a lot more sliders are used despite the intensity of the music going up. Using rhythm like 01:40:699 (1,2,1,2) - every downbeat or something would be one way to make it less dense to contrast more with the more musically intense part later. It's more intense on the tapping hand for sure, but I like emphasizing the way notes feel more, as in circles fit better for the mostly piano part, and afterward sliders fit better for the synth violin, but since it does decrease the tapping intensity, I compensated with a higher SV and spacing, so there are larger movements involved in the second part. I also 01:47:245 (1,1,1) - used some 1/2 sliders anyway to not make this part too intense, as it is more spaced than the first instence

Went ahead and fixed a few inconsistencies I found while rechecking it though

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOD~

Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Realazy 2017-08-21T15:28:58+00:00

Mir wrote:
[AYYY LMAO's NOVICE]
- 00:14:028 (1,2,4,5) - Could make a star pattern out of this? i don't see how..?
- 01:49:426 (2) - NC for section change? yes
- 01:58:154 - 1/3? http://i.imgur.com/KppPeLe.png yes

Kurai

osu! Alumni

7,734 posts

Joined March 2009

Kurai 2017-08-22T23:43:33+00:00

Bon je vais pas m'attarder sur les détails car y'a un peu trop de difficultés, je vais juste mentionner les trucs que je trouve importants.

[WOLF'S VALKYRIA]

Ce n'est pas du Demetori
00:16:931 (3) - Je pense qu'il faudrait un whistle sur ce cercle vu l'intensité me semble la même que sur les notes jouées sur 00:17:028 (4,5,6,7) - .
00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Ces stacks me paraissent assez compliquées à lire. Pour simplifier la chose, soit je ne le stackerais pas sur (5) (car sur la fin d'un stream qui se termine sur un tick bleu c'est pas forcément évident) ou alors je ferais un truc comme sur le screenshot pour que ce soit plus visible. Malheureusement, ça casse un peu le visuel que tu voulais donner :/ (bien sur, si tu appliques la deuxième solution, il faudrait faire pareil sur les stacks de doublets qui suivent).
SPOILER
http://up.kuraip.net/0823z7n277a2585.png
00:28:641 (2,1,2,3,4,5) - J'aime bien ce pattern, cependant j'ai un problème avec la transition entre 00:28:641 (2) - et le pentagone régulier convexe. En effet le pentagone est mappé sur le piano et les finishs sont là pour accentuer ces notes. cependant tu as aussi un finish sur 00:28:738 - alors qu'il n'y a pas de note de piano (même si tu en avais sur des battements similaires comme pour 00:27:963 (1) - ). Le problème c'est que ça casse un peu la transition entre les deux patterns et ça diminue l'effet d'accentuation des finishs sur le pentagone. TL;DR, enlève le finish sur 00:28:738 - !
00:32:609 (1,2,1) - Tu devrais espacer ces notes un peu plus. Les rythme ici est un peu spécial et c'est pas évident de voir qu'il y a deux cercles. Le bleu foncé l'emporte aussi visuellement comparé au bleu clair qui se font avec le slider, il est facile de ne pas voir ce dernier car on est un peu trop concentrer sur le bleu foncé et qu'on ne s'attend pas vraiment à du 1/8. Espacer permettrait de faciliter la lecture.
01:18:882 (1) - Je trouve que cette note mérite d'être mis en avant avec un petit whistle.
01:28:699 (9) - D'une certaine manière je trouve que ce cercle est de trop. Visuellement il ne se fond pas bien avec ton étoile et sa présence ignore la pause de l'instrument principal ce qui a pour conséquence de désaccentuer et de porter moins d'importance à 01:28:836 (9,10) -

[PONO'S GRAVITY]

Le seul whistle que j'ai entendu dans cette difficulté se trouve à 01:14:926 - . Ça en manque cruellement, surtout dans les parties piano. je te conseil de voir ce que GW a fait avec ça diff et d'en rajouter, ou même juste lui demander si tu peux pas lui piquer ses HS.
00:05:899 (1,2) - Ces deux notes sont beaucoup trop prochent l'une de l'autre. Même si c'est pour le côté esthétique du stack (je présume), c'est pas hyper confortable à jouer quand t'as eu des objets un peu espacés comme 00:03:963 (2,3) - juste avant. Essaye plutôt quelque chose comme sur le screenshot ci-dessous :
SPOILER
00:10:060 (5,1) - Pourquoi un stack ici alors que tu n'en as pas sur les patterns précédents ? C'est un peu déroutant.
00:15:576 (1,2,3) - Pourquoi ces notes vont vers le haut alors que le piano va vers l'octave plus bas ? Le pattern aurait plus d'impact si il suivait visuellement les changement d'intensité musicale surtout quand tu as 00:17:125 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - qui représente parfaitement ces changements.
00:19:447 (1,2,1,2) - Si on suit encore cette logique, ces sliders devraient plus pointer vers le heut de l'écran plutôt que vers le bas.
00:26:415 (1) - Je trouve que tu ne mets pas assez d'accentuation sur cette note (et sur 00:27:963 (1) - aussi) alors qu'il y en a sur 00:28:866 (1) - .
00:33:383 (1) - C'est pas pour faire le chiant, mais le blanket pourrait être mieux réaliser.
01:40:154 (1,2,3) - Ce changement brutal de sens n'est pas vraiment désirable, surtout en plein milieu d'une suite de sliders en 1/6 comme ça. Musicalement ce changement de sens ne représente rien, mais en plus il est pas intuitif et c'est un mouvement pas très évident à réaliser
01:58:767 (1) - Tu devrais faire comme tout le monde dans ce set et terminer ce spinner à 02:02:449 - .

[INFINITE]

Même commentaire que pour la difficulté de Pono vis à vis du manque de whistle. (et ça vaut donc aussi pour toutes les autres difficultés).
01:58:665 - J'entends pas vraiment de percussion ici. Je pense que ce cercle est un peu de trop.

[BASIC]

00:04:931 (1) - Vraiment légèrement offscreen. Remonte un peu ce cercle, ça t'évitera une pop ou une DQ inutile !

Bref, le reste me semble plutôt pas mal. Il faudra que je recheck car j'ai tendance à passer outre certaines choses quand je suis fatigué, mais si tu ajoutes les whistles dans toutes les difficultés, il y a moyen que je bubble !

Pense-bête pour que j'aille demander des testplays sur les deux dernières difficultés.

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2017-08-23T00:29:15+00:00

Kurai wrote:
Bon je vais pas m'attarder sur les détails car y'a un peu trop de difficultés, je vais juste mentionner les trucs que je trouve importants.

[WOLF'S VALKYRIA]
Ce n'est pas du Demetori ZOMFGWTFBBQ????
00:16:931 (3) - Je pense qu'il faudrait un whistle sur ce cercle vu l'intensité me semble la même que sur les notes jouées sur 00:17:028 (4,5,6,7) - . okay
00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Ces stacks me paraissent assez compliqués à lire. Pour simplifier la chose, soit je ne le stackerais pas sur (5) (car sur la fin d'un stream qui se termine sur un tick bleu c'est pas forcément évident) ou alors je ferais un truc comme sur le screenshot pour que ce soit plus visible. Malheureusement, ça casse un peu le visuel que tu voulais donner :/ (bien sur, si tu appliques la deuxième solution, il faudrait faire pareil sur les stacks de doublets qui suivent). La difficulté est censé venir de la lecture, plus que des autres points (aim ou tapping), c'est justement parce que le rythme joue beaucoup sur les ticks bleus que j'ai choisi de map avec des stacks parfait, si ç'avait été un rythme plus commun j'aurais probablement choisi une manière de map plus axé sur la difficulté à aim/tap qu'à lire, mon but ici est de mettre en valeur le rythme en ticks bleu par la difficulté à lire
SPOILER
http://up.kuraip.net/0823z7n277a2585.png
00:28:641 (2,1,2,3,4,5) - J'aime bien ce pattern, cependant j'ai un problème avec la transition entre 00:28:641 (2) - et le pentagone régulier convexe. En effet le pentagone est mappé sur le piano et les finishs sont là pour accentuer ces notes. cependant tu as aussi un finish sur 00:28:738 - alors qu'il n'y a pas de note de piano (même si tu en avais sur des battements similaires comme pour 00:27:963 (1) - ). Le problème c'est que ça casse un peu la transition entre les deux patterns et ça diminue l'effet d'accentuation des finishs sur le pentagone. TL;DR, enlève le finish sur 00:28:738 - ! Blâme alheak, j'avais déjà enlevé ce finish mais il a mess up l'upload de la diff :^)
00:32:609 (1,2,1) - Tu devrais espacer ces notes un peu plus. Les rythme ici est un peu spécial et c'est pas évident de voir qu'il y a deux cercles. Le bleu foncé l'emporte aussi visuellement comparé au bleu clair qui se font avec le slider, il est facile de ne pas voir ce dernier car on est un peu trop concentrer sur le bleu foncé et qu'on ne s'attend pas vraiment à du 1/8. Espacer permettrait de faciliter la lecture. Pranked, c'est un doublé en 1/6 normalement ici, pas un triplé en 1/8 :^)
01:18:882 (1) - Je trouve que cette note mérite d'être mis en avant avec un petit whistle. en effet
01:28:699 (9) - D'une certaine manière je trouve que ce cercle est de trop. Visuellement il ne se fond pas bien avec ton étoile et sa présence ignore la pause de l'instrument principal ce qui a pour conséquence de désaccentuer et de porter moins d'importance à 01:28:836 (9,10) - Hmmmouais, ça du sens,
et en plus ça diminue le strain du jump ici, ce qui n'est pas non plus une mauvaise chose, j'vais donc essayer ça

wsh cimer frer

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Alheak 2017-08-23T01:00:09+00:00

Kurai wrote:
Bon je vais pas m'attarder sur les détails car y'a un peu trop de difficultés, je vais juste mentionner les trucs que je trouve importants.

[INFINITE]
Même commentaire que pour la difficulté de Pono vis à vis du manque de whistle. (et ça vaut donc aussi pour toutes les autres difficultés). ok jvais voir sque jpeux faire
01:58:665 - J'entends pas vraiment de percussion ici. Je pense que ce cercle est un peu de trop. nan il y a bien un triple en 1/8 ici
[BASIC]
00:04:931 (1) - Vraiment légèrement offscreen. Remonte un peu ce cercle, ça t'évitera une pop ou une DQ inutile ! fixed
Bref, le reste me semble plutôt pas mal. Il faudra que je recheck car j'ai tendance à passer outre certaines choses quand je suis fatigué, mais si tu ajoutes les whistles dans toutes les difficultés, il y a moyen que je bubble !

Pense-bête pour que j'aille demander des testplays sur les deux dernières difficultés.

voilà de beaux whistles partout

Lasse

osu! Alumni

3,644 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-08-23T18:09:32+00:00

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160

hitsounding (for diffs that use the one from infinite or similar)
01:39:063 - would sound nice with a whistle
intro sounds pretty empty, could use some whistles similar to what was done on top diff
01:05:790 - similar for this part
01:22:699 - diffs have drum hitnormals here which sounds pretty weird
also volume settings are a bit weird, like this part being 80% which seems way too loud
map could also use more whistles overall I think

wolf
00:05:705 (1) - considered mapping this a sliderend? it's so much weaker than all the other clicks here
00:20:222 - how about making this orange instead or some other color not used for the intro? would be cute on the 1/6 imo
just like you did on 00:38:802 (1) -
01:01:154 (3,4) - the high pitch is starting from here already, so why not start the jumps here too?
01:03:608 - would also make sense to nc this similar to the three not patterns before
01:16:972 (7,1,2) - triggered http://i.imgur.com/t5m7eEr.jpg
01:37:086 - sounds like it would make more sense to start the stream from here for the piano, so maybe http://i.imgur.com/yCBHmEl.jpg ? also don't get why the stream is mapped so differently from 01:38:108 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - when both seem to follow something so similar
01:38:790 - soft whistle would be nice on this
01:58:699 - soft finish would sound better

pono
forgot colorhax
00:04:544 (3,1,2,3,4,1) - 1/4 gap is so sudden here and seems pretty overdone to introduce this, would be nice with way lower spacing on 00:04:544 (3,1) -
00:07:834 (1,2,3) - rhythm is lol, white ticks on 00:07:835 (1,3) - stand out so much in the song, 2 takes away a lot from that and making 00:08:415 - clickable also seems weird. doing something like http://i.imgur.com/Mi01bxG.jpg seems much more reasonable, same for following triples
00:15:382 (3) - stand out way more than 00:15:576 - piano wise, so your current 1/4 jump pattern seems really off
00:20:608 (1) - would make more sense to be in the same combo as 00:20:221 (1) - , nc seems pointless here
00:42:576 (5,1) - would space this a bit to make 1/6 - 1/4 change more clear
00:48:336 - this whoole part is prettsy weird since there is a clear repeating 3 note pattern playing in the song
look at what other diffs did here, that makes more sense
01:25:972 (1,2,3) - rhythms like this are tilt. 01:26:235 (3) - is two strong sounds but mapped as slider while , but 01:25:972 (1,2) - is mapped with jumps on barely audible things
01:27:199 (1,2,3) - no idea why these have to be kicksliders
01:36:745 (2,1,1,2,1,2) - why does this suddenly turn into such a centered mess of overlapped things? looks really out of place with the map

inf
00:09:189 (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - dont really understand triples on blue tick emphasis
00:20:222 - same colorhax suggestion as top diff

exh
fine

adv
not using any spaced active 1/2 gaps makes the gap to the next difficulty a bit too much imo

ayyreal
00:47:354 - 01:05:790 - where are the circles..
https://lasse.s-ul.eu/wSLDql3k.jpg
https://lasse.s-ul.eu/q/rUdVGopB.jpg
shouldn't be too hard to replace some sliders here
also makes parts like 00:57:063 (1,2,3,4,5) - be more intense to play than the intense chorus which is lol

:b:
00:06:092 (3,4,1) - will really throw off new players with how 3 leads into 1

exhaust - advanced gap seems really huge
gravity has some really questionable things, mainly rhythm/patterning as stated above

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-08-23T19:17:47+00:00

Lasse wrote:
my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160
pono
forgot colorhax
00:07:834 (1,2,3) - rhythm is lol, white ticks on 00:07:835 (1,3) - stand out so much in the song, 2 takes away a lot from that and making 00:08:415 - clickable Why rhythm is lol ? I simply follow the 3 sounds I hear, also why put a 1/2 slider there, this looks so undermapped and empty imo,
your idea is good but I prefer mine for that one.
01:27:199 (1,2,3) - no idea why these have to be kicksliders I've just tried that and this looks way much emphasising the part, but thats can be just my opinion, I'll change it if ppl really want to.

Thanks for the mod !

fix

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Realazy

Elite Mapper

1,004 posts

Joined June 2011

Realazy 2017-08-23T19:24:01+00:00

added some circles and some break time in the parts mentioned, thanks

GoldenWolf

2,983 posts

Joined May 2012

GoldenWolf 2017-08-23T20:13:12+00:00

Lasse wrote:
wolf
00:05:705 (1) - considered mapping this a sliderend? it's so much weaker than all the other clicks here I did, didn't fit the sound at all so scraped it
00:20:222 - how about making this orange instead or some other color not used for the intro? would be cute on the 1/6 imo
just like you did on 00:38:802 (1) - I will kill alheak because he STILL HASN'T UPLOADED MY DIFF WITH THE CHANGES BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY ORANGE AAAAAAAAAAAAA
01:01:154 (3,4) - the high pitch is starting from here already, so why not start the jumps here too? Because it isn't in the same phrase of the song. 01:00:881 (1,2,3,4) - is a group of 2x2 notes, first one higher pitched than the second one, while the jump after is on groups of 3 notes all being the same pitch.
01:03:608 - would also make sense to nc this similar to the three not patterns before Combo would be way too short, and short combo aren't cute
01:16:972 (7,1,2) - triggered http://i.imgur.com/t5m7eEr.jpg I'll kill alheak again BECAUSE THE WHOLE PATTERN HAS CHANGED SINCE
01:37:086 - sounds like it would make more sense to start the stream from here for the piano, so maybe http://i.imgur.com/yCBHmEl.jpg ? also don't get why the stream is mapped so differently from 01:38:108 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - when both seem to follow something so similar For the first stream, the piano even starts on the second slider, notes are just so low pitched it's barely audible, so I started the stream where the notes are starting to be audible at 01:36:949 (3) - here, and as for the other one, it's much higher pitched and has more variations in how it's played, so even though they kinda sound similar they're different enough that I mapped them differently
01:38:790 - soft whistle would be nice on this sounds cute
01:58:699 - soft finish would sound better indeed

thanks for your cute mod

alhEAK PLEASE UPDATE MY DIFF GODDAMNIT thank you

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Alheak 2017-08-23T21:27:17+00:00

Lasse wrote:
my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160

hitsounding (for diffs that use the one from infinite or similar)
added more whistles with kurai's mod, jsut didn't upload xd
lowered volume as well

inf
00:09:189 (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - dont really understand triples on blue tick emphasis changed this part
00:20:222 - same colorhax suggestion as top diff ya

exh
fine

adv
not using any spaced active 1/2 gaps makes the gap to the next difficulty a bit too much imo went over the spread with kurai and it seems just fine, there are 1/2 spaced gaps in the 155bpm which should be enough to introduce them while keeping the diff very playable for slower players
the gap is mostly due to the changes in bpm which makes it difficult to add too many circles in the 220bpm parts in ADV

:b:
00:06:092 (3,4,1) - will really throw off new players with how 3 leads into 1 changed

thank you!

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-08-24T18:02:33+00:00

Kurai wrote:

Bon je vais pas m'attarder sur les détails car y'a un peu trop de difficultés, je vais juste mentionner les trucs que je trouve importants.

[PONO'S GRAVITY]

00:15:576 (1,2,3) - Pourquoi ces notes vont vers le haut alors que le piano va vers l'octave plus bas ? Le pattern aurait plus d'impact si il suivait visuellement les changement d'intensité musicale surtout quand tu as 00:17:125 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - qui représente parfaitement ces changements.Car c'était pas dans mon but de suivre le piano en terme d'orientation de shapes
00:19:447 (1,2,1,2) - Si on suit encore cette logique, ces sliders devraient plus pointer vers le heut de l'écran plutôt que vers le bas. Même réponse qu'au dessus

fix

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Pense-bête pour que j'aille demander des testplays sur les deux dernières difficultés.

Kurai

osu! Alumni

7,734 posts

Joined March 2009

Kurai 2017-08-24T19:31:35+00:00

[PONO'S GRAVITY]

01:33:971 (3) - unsnapped

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-08-24T19:33:50+00:00

Kurai wrote:
[PONO'S GRAVITY]
01:33:971 (3) - unsnapped

...

osu file format v14

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Kurai

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Kurai 2017-08-24T19:34:57+00:00

boop

AncuL

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AncuL 2017-08-25T10:11:05+00:00

is it that one time goldenwolf doesn't make demetori maps

Alheak

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Topic Starter

Alheak 2017-08-25T10:58:11+00:00

yes but he's not the host so it wont ruin his demetori ranked maps combo

AncuL

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AncuL 2017-08-25T16:07:08+00:00

[Wolf's Valkryia]
01:26:517 (3,7) - tbh i wouldn't use the clap hitsounds on these two notes because i got confused with the more "epic" part which is on 01:27:608 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - . they both sound the same while the more epic section needs to be emphasized

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-08-26T21:46:00+00:00

but the jumpier part has FINISHES EVER OTHER NOTE while the less jumpy one doesn't

AncuL

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AncuL 2017-08-31T12:57:04+00:00

But the main "feature" that makes the epic part stand the most is the clap and not the finishes (imo)
plus, this might be based on my mania hitsounding knowledge but the claps on the buildup doesn't fit the music while the epic part does

and because you told me about it, i just realized that the other notes actually have finishes and the hitsound on my skin is so inaudible. so i tried using default skin and i wouldn't say i like it. but it's just preference

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-09T18:12:08+00:00

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change gowo's diffname to something better using the song name is terrible

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-09T18:34:23+00:00

ok

changed to "maximum"

wait thats what it was supposed to be

welp

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-10T16:58:39+00:00

m4m btw.

[gOwO]
00:05:125 - uh did u accidentally delete a note
the 5 notes sounds rly clear,,,

00:13:157 (1,2) - wudnt it B better to Nc 2 insted cuz Emphasis.

00:51:608 - wud b cool 2 do something different here czu theres a Bell. like dis: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9510031

01:07:154 (2,3,4,1) - can u Make this into a Hexagon in sted cuz Rn it looks Kinda Weird

01:17:449 - Add a Circle her imo

01:27:608 - the Finish Spam Here sounds Very Bad to me. I think Claps would make more sense. Finish just sounds rly Outo f Place.

01:49:426 (1) - Add Clap.

01:58:154 (1,2) - Very Sad to see this simplified Tbh.

[pono]
00:39:576 (1) - This Slider Looks Ver y Ugly. try and make the first part look more evenly Curved.

00:48:336 (1,2) - i dont think the rhythm here is good, the first 2 notes sound much stronger than the 3rd one in each pattern lol. i think ctrl g works better.

note this is mostly cuz u put whistles on slider ends so if u move the whistles itd Also b Better.

01:01:426 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - R u Fort.

01:13:972 (1,2) - Overmapped Slider ends dont rly work here imo. since u used circles on all the other ones. so Circles R better i think.

01:17:449 - Triple ?

01:24:199 - Bro this slider end is Really Really Strong. circle + 1/1 slider works better here considering that.

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ctrlg works way better with the melody, atm u hav a slider end on a melody note and click on basically nothing with 2.

01:37:426 (1,2) - Theres Nothing on the Red tick at all. ctrl g works a lot better with the hitsounding and the song.

01:58:608 - Tbh a 1/6 triple at the end would b really funny.. but ignoring this completely is Kinda Lame.

[infinite]
00:05:125 - Y did U also ignore this Very Obvious Piano Note D=

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Nc These the Same Way Pleaase.

01:17:449 - Why Did U ignore this 1 2.
y did u all ignore it holy

01:26:108 (3) - i feel like putting this on the white tick makes way mor sense cuz theres nothing on the red tick. like i get the effect ur Going for but i dont think it works that well. or u can make 2 a slider as well.

01:45:063 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - NC Consistency Please.

01:53:790 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Same.

just nc on where 5 is for all of those intead and its better yea
[exh]
00:27:092 (6,7) - Making these clickable would b cooler imo.

same of the earlier 1s

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - look u did it right here good joB!

01:22:154 - i dont think this works well cuz the end of 6, all of 7 and 8 are grouped in the song differently from the previous phrase.,,

solid diff
[]
didu forget to upload ur light insane or something lol. u need something in between advanced and exhaust. this is the pop reason

low diffs look fine but yea get something around 3.8 - 4.0 sr and then i can nominate

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-10T18:20:07+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
m4m btw.

[infinite]
00:05:125 - Y did U also ignore this Very Obvious Piano Note D= all i can hear is a ghost note but clearly not as important as the others here

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Nc These the Same Way Pleaase. ok

01:17:449 - Why Did U ignore this 1 2. same reason, barely audible and would kinda ruin the rhythmical consistency of this part
y did u all ignore it holy

01:26:108 (3) - i feel like putting this on the white tick makes way mor sense cuz theres nothing on the red tick. like i get the effect ur Going for but i dont think it works that well. or u can make 2 a slider as well. changed in another way

01:45:063 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - NC Consistency Please. ya

01:53:790 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Same.

just nc on where 5 is for all of those intead and its better yea
[exh]
00:27:092 (6,7) - Making these clickable would b cooler imo. gotta have the training wheels for this diff

same of the earlier 1s

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - look u did it right here good joB!

01:22:154 - i dont think this works well cuz the end of 6, all of 7 and 8 are grouped in the song differently from the previous phrase.,, maybe better now

solid diff
[]
didu forget to upload ur light insane or something lol. u need something in between advanced and exhaust. this is the pop reason

low diffs look fine but yea get something around 3.8 - 4.0 sr and then i can nominate

spread is fine, dont be spooked by numbers

thanks but please stop visnisx speech i couldn't understand half of what the fuck you were talking about

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-10T18:23:55+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
m4m btw.

[gOwO]
00:05:125 - uh did u accidentally delete a note
the 5 notes sounds rly clear,,, wtf nao it's very clear I map the doubles here and not the very faint note in the middle of it

00:13:157 (1,2) - wudnt it B better to Nc 2 insted cuz Emphasis. sure

00:51:608 - wud b cool 2 do something different here czu theres a Bell. like dis: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9510031 meh, that would break the flow and patterning going on for a not-so-noticeable bell, wasn't even the focus here even so

01:07:154 (2,3,4,1) - can u Make this into a Hexagon in sted cuz Rn it looks Kinda Weird fixed

01:17:449 - Add a Circle her imo wtf nao again? it's so faint it's barely audible

01:27:608 - the Finish Spam Here sounds Very Bad to me. I think Claps would make more sense. Finish just sounds rly Outo f Place. i already explained why the finish density is what it is here in a previous mod

01:49:426 (1) - Add Clap. no because 1) there isn't a snare here and 2) because I can't use the normal finish and the custom snare at the same time because of how the hitsounds are set up and if we fix that we break other things

01:58:154 (1,2) - Very Sad to see this simplified Tbh. wtf do you mean here it's always been like this?

pls stop writing like that you're tilting me

Naxess

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Naxess 2017-11-10T19:33:47+00:00

Going from common repeats 00:06:286 (1,2) - 00:12:673 (2) - 00:14:996 (4,5) - 00:16:738 (4) - 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4) - and with barely anything even close to a triple 00:17:415 (2) - 00:19:254 (2,3,4) - 01:03:881 (2,3,4,5) - 01:32:972 (4) - in Advanced into all out 5+ note streams at common intervals 00:16:351 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:06:383 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:12:770 (2,3,4,5,6) - 00:17:802 (4,5,6,7,8) - and frequent doubles 00:08:125 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in Exhaust is not really a good idea in regards to spread. Especially not when Advanced is just following the time-distance principle and Exhaust is completely breaking that with large variations in spacing, such as jumps and anti-jumps, 00:01:254 (1,1) - 00:22:544 (3,4,5) - 00:28:447 (3,4) - 00:57:063 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - , especially at places like 00:57:063 - . Honestly the gap here is so large I doubt even a single difficulty would fill the gap properly. Just compare things like 01:41:108 - in the two.

Would recommend bridging Advanced and Exhaust with something that introduces some light variation in spacing, along with more common triples to find a middle-ground in that and as a stepping stone to the longer streams of exhaust. Maybe try varying using doubles and repeats for things like 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4) - 01:41:108 (2,3) - in such a difficulty as well.

PoNo

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PoNo 2017-11-11T17:02:55+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
m4m btw.
[pono]
00:39:576 (1) - This Slider Looks Ver y Ugly. try and make the first part look more evenly Curved. Changed, but I'm not totally agreed with that kind of arguments because this looks more like "yeah your slider is too uncommon, fix it to something more common and lose the créativity/originality of a beatmap. Also I change it cause I don't like the shape too.

00:48:336 (1,2) - i dont think the rhythm here is good, the first 2 notes sound much stronger than the 3rd one in each pattern lol. i think ctrl g works better. I've changed this rhythm over 2 times now, and by the way the only "right" rhythm in that part would be to put only 1/2 circles cause the song sounds like that, and I feel a bit bored to change for every BNs the rhythm cause it looks fine and consistent to me.

note this is mostly cuz u put whistles on slider ends so if u move the whistles itd Also b Better. Yeah feels better !

01:01:426 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - R u Fort. No im Castle

01:13:972 (1,2) - Overmapped Slider ends dont rly work here imo. since u used circles on all the other ones. so Circles R better i think. I put sliders here to introduce the next coming piano sounds you can hear in that part 01:14:517 (1) - like theres 1 more piano sound compared to the begin of the slow part, so for me its looks better to have 1 more movement to feel it.

01:17:449 - Triple ? Tried something idk

01:24:199 - Bro this slider end is Really Really Strong. circle + 1/1 slider works better here considering that. oke

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ctrlg works way better with the melody, atm u hav a slider end on a melody note and click on basically nothing with 2. I don't really want to change the consistency with 01:25:426 (1,2,3) - and 01:26:517 (1,2,3) - , looks easier to play for the player on that kind of song.

01:37:426 (1,2) - Theres Nothing on the Red tick at all. ctrl g works a lot better with the hitsounding and the song. There is the same song than 01:37:426 (1) - repeated a second time not totally audible but theres one.

01:58:608 - Tbh a 1/6 triple at the end would b really funny.. but ignoring this completely is Kinda Lame. Fixed

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-12T15:25:05+00:00

[general]
all instances of 01:58:426 (2) - being a slider before the last note need to be snapped on 1/3, like aat 01:58:608 - . 1/4 snap is wrong.
[hyper]
density looks ok

01:19:699 (2,3) - looks misleading as 1/1 spacing, try and make it more spaced out. looks like 1/2 rn

01:26:245 (3,4) - this just looks kinda weird imo.. i think overlapping looks better than putting the circle in the middle of the slider border completely lol

[gowo]
00:13:157 (1,1,2) - no i meant to ONLY nc 2 not to have 2 ncs..
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9526005

01:27:608 (1) - i saw your explanation but i still think spamming a ton of offbeat cymbals sounds absoltely terrible. at the very most, a finish on 1, 5, maybe 8 and 9+10 is fine. the rest just sound ridiculously out of place.

01:49:426 (1) - i'm aware that there isn't a snare there, which is why i am saying to add one in using a hitsound. it sounds a lot better to have the entire section till 01:55:972 - have claps on each downbeat rather than all of them minus the first thing.

01:58:154 (1,2) - i mean to make them all circles .

[pono]
00:48:336 (1,2) - sounds a lot better with fixed whistles, yea.

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ya but you're mapping like a 6.5 star extra i dont think you need to make it easier for the player. following the song more closely is nicer~

01:37:426 (1,2) - ok but it sounds weird cuz u have 1/1 clap and nothing on the red tick lol. thats why i suggest ctrl g, or add hitsound support on your red tick.

u can get kurai to rebub and i qf when u fix/ respond

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-12T15:40:46+00:00

all fixed for me, thanks again

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-12T16:07:20+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[gowo]
00:13:157 (1,1,2) - no i meant to ONLY nc 2 not to have 2 ncs.. well maybe if you didn't write the way you did I would have understood it, anyway I actually like it with 2 NCs more here

01:27:608 (1) - i saw your explanation but i still think spamming a ton of offbeat cymbals sounds absoltely terrible. at the very most, a finish on 1, 5, maybe 8 and 9+10 is fine. the rest just sound ridiculously out of place. see below v

01:49:426 (1) - i'm aware that there isn't a snare there, which is why i am saying to add one in using a hitsound. it sounds a lot better to have the entire section till 01:55:972 - have claps on each downbeat rather than all of them minus the first thing. musically speaking you rarely ever have a snare + cymbal to open the section of a song, it's most often kick+cymbal (as in, 99.9%+ of cases) because it sounds awkward, so why are you telling me to do this after asking me to remove finishes on the largest jumps when they're used in a progression? if you're going by "this sounds bad/better" I don't think I can see the point of making totally subjective changes that would ruin the buildup I'm going for, sorry

01:58:154 (1,2) - i mean to make them all circles . I think that would play terribly bad here, especially after a long section of 1/2s at 220bpm

PoNo

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PoNo 2017-11-12T17:37:32+00:00

Fixed everything !

Kurai

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Kurai 2017-11-13T20:05:15+00:00

bop

Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-11-13T22:20:50+00:00

Just before you go :

[woof :]

00:11:705 (7,8,9) - Can you do equal spacing ?
00:20:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Would do all of them with a spacing of 0.75x to clearly show than they are 1/6.
00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Unstack them a bit to make them a bit readable, because right now it's just messy to read even with that AR.
00:43:383 (2,1) - Would unstack a bit to make the slider more present visually.

Mukyu~

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-13T22:49:05+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
Just before you go :

[woof :]
00:11:705 (7,8,9) - Can you do equal spacing ? why the fuck is it broken to begin with ALHEAK BORDEL
00:20:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Would do all of them with a spacing of 0.75x to clearly show than they are 1/6. it's already clearly shown they're 1/6s through much closer spacing than before and different combo coloring
00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Unstack them a bit to make them a bit readable, because right now it's just messy to read even with that AR. that's the whole point though
00:43:383 (2,1) - Would unstack a bit to make the slider more present visually. I guess

Mukyu~

woof

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-14T21:38:38+00:00

bubbled!

Voli

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Voli 2017-11-14T22:17:07+00:00

gowo diff

sorry but those offbeat finishes at 01:27:608 (1) - do sound really bad musically speaking, why do you force offbeats to be stronger than downbeats even though the music itself doesn't indicate this? im confused why nao qualified this anyways after he pointed this out. Defending it with subjectivity is a very weak argument here because you can't just put something in even though the music goes against it completely, that isn't a subjective thing.
also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc.

might be wise to go over this again tbh

mithew

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mithew 2017-11-15T04:53:35+00:00

some things i noticed while playing

goldenwolf
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - relative to the rest of this intro section, this bit is overdone imo. the blue ticks make it very easy to miss slider ends, forcing the player to awkwardly aim very quickly to avoid doing so, and while you can argue that the music does support this, it doesn't feel as justified since the rest of this section is dramatically easy compared to this (excluding anything after 00:23:318)

00:42:286 (1,2) - this stands out way more than it should because of how awkward this rhythm is compared to the rest of the map. the music doesn't really support a technical, weird to read/play pattern, that can easily be replaced with something like this

00:48:336 this section is so stamina draining for what the song really says lol. its just really odd to have your stamina drained, along with awkward flow, during a build up, while having a more relaxed rhythm choice (and a more comfortable flow), when the song intensifies 00:57:063 . not only that but its also weird how 00:50:108 (2,1) - is more spaced than 00:52:290 (2,1) - when the latter is more intense

01:26:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i really can't tell why these are jumps and why 01:27:199 (8) - isn't. it'd make much more sense to have that repeat slider as smaller jumps that build up into the bigger ones instead.

01:28:563 (8) - i think you should remove the clap on this slider end to fix your offbeat finish hitsounds, removing it fixes the problem imo

01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what you're mapping here is barely audible and doesn't really do the music justice tbh, sliders would feel more fitting

01:30:063 i feel like this deserves to be clickable

01:49:426 honestly it seems like you tried really hard to avoid being the generic pp mapper here, despite it being fully justifiable to make this the hardest part of the map, as it is the climax of the song. the overuse of sliders make it really underwhelming and not as impactful as it should be... and to be honest its much easier to play compared to awkward flow sections such as 01:41:517 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - despite the song being dramatically calmer. doesn't really make sense

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-15T10:35:22+00:00

MariahCarey wrote:
gowo diff
sorry but those offbeat finishes at 01:27:608 (1) - do sound really bad musically speaking, why do you force offbeats to be stronger than downbeats even though the music itself doesn't indicate this? im confused why nao qualified this anyways after he pointed this out. Defending it with subjectivity is a very weak argument here because you can't just put something in even though the music goes against it completely, that isn't a subjective thing. fine I'll move them onto the white ticks then
also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc. Yes I am aware that 01:29:245 (1) - this stream is overmapped, it's an addition I made that I saw fit, the spacing and hitsounding seems to fit well enough into the song, so I added it. For the next triple since it's inconsistent with how I mapped it afterward I'll change to an actual triple. And lastly 01:36:949 (3) - isn't overmapped actually, the piano is there, albeit rather faint.
might be wise to go over this again tbh

thanks for your input

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-15T11:25:18+00:00

mithew wrote:
some things i noticed while playing

goldenwolf
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - relative to the rest of this intro section, this bit is overdone imo. the blue ticks make it very easy to miss slider ends, forcing the player to awkwardly aim very quickly to avoid doing so, and while you can argue that the music does support this, it doesn't feel as justified since the rest of this section is dramatically easy compared to this (excluding anything after 00:23:318) alright remapped this part a bit, tell me what you think of it now (it should flow better)

00:42:286 (1,2) - this stands out way more than it should because of how awkward this rhythm is compared to the rest of the map. the music doesn't really support a technical, weird to read/play pattern, that can easily be replaced with something like this sure

00:48:336 this section is so stamina draining for what the song really says lol. its just really odd to have your stamina drained, along with awkward flow, during a build up, while having a more relaxed rhythm choice (and a more comfortable flow), when the song intensifies 00:57:063 . not only that but its also weird how 00:50:108 (2,1) - is more spaced than 00:52:290 (2,1) - when the latter is more intense yes I did fix the spacing issues during the buildup, that should ease the stamina draining part a bit, though the main choice of having the buildup as more closely spaced circles and the next part as much more spaced patterns will remain, as the sliders fit much better in the next part with the synth violin thingy, while the first one doesn't really fit for sliders

01:26:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i really can't tell why these are jumps and why 01:27:199 (8) - isn't. it'd make much more sense to have that repeat slider as smaller jumps that build up into the bigger ones instead. Actually I'll just remake the whole pattern because it sucks anyway lul

01:28:563 (8) - i think you should remove the clap on this slider end to fix your offbeat finish hitsounds, removing it fixes the problem imo changed stuff from the previous mod

01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what you're mapping here is barely audible and doesn't really do the music justice tbh, sliders would feel more fitting may be a stupid argument but to me sliders would feel so anti climatic, this part honestly feels empty in the song, especially I added a stream because I saw it fit with some hitsounding, so yeah

01:30:063 i feel like this deserves to be clickable kind of, but I like the resting time it gives more :p

01:49:426 honestly it seems like you tried really hard to avoid being the generic pp mapper here, despite it being fully justifiable to make this the hardest part of the map, as it is the climax of the song. the overuse of sliders make it really underwhelming and not as impactful as it should be... and to be honest its much easier to play compared to awkward flow sections such as 01:41:517 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - despite the song being dramatically calmer. doesn't really make sense Same reason as last time, it's not about pp here, but about if sliders fit better in the first or second part. Again I nerfed the first one spacing wise to ease the stamina draining part a bit

thanks a lot for your mod

JBHyperion

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JBHyperion 2017-11-15T14:10:36+00:00

DQed by mapper request

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-15T19:10:58+00:00

all fixed and updated

Kurai

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Kurai 2017-11-15T19:16:14+00:00

Irreversible

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Irreversible 2017-11-15T23:07:25+00:00

GoldenWolf wrote:
MariahCarey wrote:
gowo diff

also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc. Yes I am aware that 01:29:245 (1) - this stream is overmapped, it's an addition I made that I saw fit, the spacing and hitsounding seems to fit well enough into the song, so I added it. For the next triple since it's inconsistent with how I mapped it afterward I'll change to an actual triple. And lastly 01:36:949 (3) - isn't overmapped actually, the piano is there, albeit rather faint.
might be wise to go over this again tbh
thanks for your input

But it's still overmapped? I believe that we'll be better off to fix this before it goes back to the bubbled state. You're not here to recompose the song, you're here to map the song! Whatever is in the song will fit it best. I'm popping it for that reason.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-15T23:16:50+00:00

lol

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-15T23:19:33+00:00

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frukoyurdakul

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frukoyurdakul 2017-11-15T23:44:31+00:00

@Irreversible you should work for taiko

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-11-19T21:25:08+00:00

stream removed

hi-mei

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hi-mei 2017-11-25T02:02:13+00:00

hi, as requested in my queue

(I cant play that diff properly btw)

WOLF'S MAXIMUM

00:02:705 (6) - maybe this note should be at 336/8 to complete the reversed triangle 00:01:641 (1,2,3) - like this? since this map is heavy based on patterns i guess that suggestion makes sense
00:05:125 - this unmapped sound kinda triggers me since its a top diff, it could be a slider end
00:06:092 (3) - I think here you can put an NC to indicate a new pattern section
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - my personal preference, I dont think that you did a right thing patterning-wise. 00:07:834 (1,3,5,7,9,11) - its can be a hexagon, since there are note+slider repeating 6 times. but you did triangle 00:08:609 (5,7,9) - instead, i believe your argument would be "hey there are a different sound measure 00:09:673 (10,11) - at this, so i broke the pattern for this" ehhh well kinda yea, but its still a one combo. idk.
00:10:931 (1,4,7,10) - nc on each one of them? also 00:11:060 (2,5,8,11) - isnt lined up properly, you can polish this pattern more.
00:15:576 (6) - make it curving to the bot? 00:15:383 (4,5) - this triplet kinda suggests to keep the curve going to the bot
00:15:576 (6) - also might want to put an NC here
00:17:415 (6,7,8,9) - make this stream curved in Bezier? it feels underwhelming for me, these doubles eh
00:57:466 (3) - put this slider on 314/224 to make a triangle with 00:56:988 (8,1) - ? for now it feels out of place cuz of overlap which you tried to avoid in this map
01:03:602 (3,4,5,6,1) - idk how it plays but feels really weird, can u differentiate 01:03:602 (3,1) - these a bit more?
01:11:784 (1,2) - these could be a small sliders 1/8s? since these are kinda unique
01:20:102 (3) - if you put this on 01:20:239 (4) - and move the rest of the notes to the next position you could make a full hexagon here.

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - considering your hitsounding I cant really tell its a good pattern for such music phrase. these doubles are so strong, but you kinda undermapped this part. Oh actually they are strong because of hitsounds, the music is way different, I think you should reconsider the entire pattern here, its just reflecting the song wrongly.
01:27:602 (1) - Same here, the pattern I imagine is something like back and forth jumps, the music suggests it:
01:29:239 (1,2) - on a such intense part you could make the distance between them bigger
01:34:148 (1,2,3) - I believe you can make a proper triangle here
01:42:602 (1,2) - I think these two might be a one 1/2 slider, since 01:42:739 - sound is not prominent and you can use it to change the flow what you did
01:49:420 - in this part these claps are really annoying, can you reconsider hitsounds

In regards of hitsounds I could write some paragraphs as well but... uh you better contact someone more experienced, cuz I think the hitsounding here is at least questionable.

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-11-26T18:44:29+00:00

hi-mei wrote:
hi, as requested in my queue

(I cant play that diff properly btw)

WOLF'S MAXIMUM

00:02:705 (6) - maybe this note should be at 336/8 to complete the reversed triangle 00:01:641 (1,2,3) - like this? since this map is heavy based on patterns i guess that suggestion makes sense not all triangles have to be equilateral
00:05:125 - this unmapped sound kinda triggers me since its a top diff, it could be a slider end already covered this multiple times, reasons didn't change, see previous mods
00:06:092 (3) - I think here you can put an NC to indicate a new pattern section sure
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - my personal preference, I dont think that you did a right thing patterning-wise. 00:07:834 (1,3,5,7,9,11) - its can be a hexagon, since there are note+slider repeating 6 times. but you did triangle 00:08:609 (5,7,9) - instead, i believe your argument would be "hey there are a different sound measure 00:09:673 (10,11) - at this, so i broke the pattern for this" ehhh well kinda yea, but its still a one combo. idk. actually no, the goal here is to slightly increasing the spacing and pressure following the build up in the song
00:10:931 (1,4,7,10) - nc on each one of them? also 00:11:060 (2,5,8,11) - isnt lined up properly, you can polish this pattern more. fixed the misalignement
00:15:576 (6) - make it curving to the bot? 00:15:383 (4,5) - this triplet kinda suggests to keep the curve going to the bot no because the overal form is a wave
00:15:576 (6) - also might want to put an NC here unnecessary, changes in spacing/intensity doesn't warrant it
00:17:415 (6,7,8,9) - make this stream curved in Bezier? it feels underwhelming for me, these doubles eh song divides this quint in groups of 2
00:57:466 (3) - put this slider on 314/224 to make a triangle with 00:56:988 (8,1) - ? for now it feels out of place cuz of overlap which you tried to avoid in this map but it's blanketing 00:57:057 (1) - and also follows the stream path, I didn't try to avoid the overlap here
01:03:602 (3,4,5,6,1) - idk how it plays but feels really weird, can u differentiate 01:03:602 (3,1) - these a bit more? I'm not really sure what's that supposed to mean
01:11:784 (1,2) - these could be a small sliders 1/8s? since these are kinda unique I don't hear any 1/8 in the song here, and I haven't used that anywhere in the map either so that would be really out of place
01:20:102 (3) - if you put this on 01:20:239 (4) - and move the rest of the notes to the next position you could make a full hexagon here. I'm trying to make one, that would also stress this 01:20:648 (7,1) - jump too much for the amount of pressure I want here aswell
01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - considering your hitsounding I cant really tell its a good pattern for such music phrase. these doubles are so strong, but you kinda undermapped this part. Oh actually they are strong because of hitsounds, the music is way different, I think you should reconsider the entire pattern here, its just reflecting the song wrongly. I did already make this pattern less intense to match the song better, although the additive hitsounding may help focusing on the pattern's doubles better, ultimately I'm mapping the synth that dominates the chorus, and not the backing instruments such as the drums here.
01:27:602 (1) - Same here, the pattern I imagine is something like back and forth jumps, the music suggests it: And while it is nice you have your own view on what this pattern should be, so do I.
01:29:239 (1,2) - on a such intense part you could make the distance between them bigger sure
01:34:148 (1,2,3) - I believe you can make a proper triangle here sure
01:42:602 (1,2) - I think these two might be a one 1/2 slider, since 01:42:739 - sound is not prominent and you can use it to change the flow what you did that would completely break the whole consistency I had going on since the buildup preceding the chorus though? not sure why this one in particular should be any different
01:49:420 - in this part these claps are really annoying, can you reconsider hitsounds and yet these are actually in the song

In regards of hitsounds I could write some paragraphs as well but... uh you better contact someone more experienced, cuz I think the hitsounding here is at least questionable. I'm fine thanks!

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-01T22:24:34+00:00

wolf
00:13:157 (1,1) - remove the nc on the blue tick or add one at 00:13:060 (5) - . atm this is really confusing since nc normally signals a snapping change of some sort coming out of a stack.

00:21:963 - add triples here? it seem weird undermapped

01:01:284 (4,1,2,3) - imo buff this 123, 1 has an absolute shit ton of emphasis since there's a stack right before it but 2 and 3 feel very underspaced relative to how much emphasis there is on 1. and the song is suggesting 3 somewhat equal sounds, so having that discrepancy is subpar

01:34:148 (1,2,3) - this rhythm seems supremely awkward since there's a clap on the slider end and a click on a purple line. how about 01:34:148 (1) - repeat followed by another one on the white tick then a circle at 01:34:693 - instead.

simplifying ending 1/3 into sliders is still lame, this is a 7 star extra plz -_-

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-12-02T00:15:49+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
wolf
00:13:157 (1,1) - remove the nc on the blue tick or add one at 00:13:060 (5) - . atm this is really confusing since nc normally signals a snapping change of some sort coming out of a stack.2nd

00:21:963 - add triples here? it seem weird undermapped I don't hear any piano notes outside the white ticks

01:01:284 (4,1,2,3) - imo buff this 123, 1 has an absolute shit ton of emphasis since there's a stack right before it but 2 and 3 feel very underspaced relative to how much emphasis there is on 1. and the song is suggesting 3 somewhat equal sounds, so having that discrepancy is subpar a buff? aye aye

01:34:148 (1,2,3) - this rhythm seems supremely awkward since there's a clap on the slider end and a click on a purple line. how about 01:34:148 (1) - repeat followed by another one on the white tick then a circle at 01:34:693 - instead.

simplifying ending 1/3 into sliders is still lame, this is a 7 star extra plz -_- oh so you don't want me to use sliders for 1/3 alrIGHT THEn

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-03T17:41:23+00:00

reblub

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Izzywing 2017-12-29T08:00:11+00:00

topdiff -

01:03:602 (3) - not ncing this breaks ur pattern
01:30:057 - not being clickable feels pretty underwhelming given the melody, could be a 3/4slider+circle yea?
01:50:920 (8) - nc here? compare to the first half of the map (wherever relevant here apply this)
01:29:239 (1,2) - ok so i get that you changed this from a stream, I think? but this still doesnt make sense, 1/2 sliders work a lot better, repeat sliders vs. circles it still has that same overmapped effect. fwiw I actually think the stream would have been fine but if you're gonna change it change it all the way, not halfway

pono -

00:18:673 (1) - no stream jump to this feels inconsistent giving the general movement of this part
00:35:705 - circle maybe? fits a bit better imo
01:00:466 (2,3) - ctrl+g here fits the rhythm better, cause what you have now randomly shifts to drums in the middle of following the piano
01:33:057 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - hm...i kinda hear this in a way that it should be grouped similar to 01:32:511 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is, cause musically it doesnt really shift much from it so switching the polarity ends up playing weird imo
01:41:784 (6,1,2) - rhythm

also ncing is weird
01:44:511 (5) - NC
01:46:148 (1) - Remove NC, pls be consistent with this
01:46:557 (1) - remove NC, add NC on 01:46:693 (2), etc.. you know your patterning stick to it!!

infinte -

00:43:254 (12,1) - this reads like kickslider to circle to me, making the gap a bit more clear would be nice
00:56:239 (6,1) - fix stack?

exh -

00:55:966 (5) - an NC to indicate a shift in patterning / rhythm could be nice here

🤙🤙🤙

edit - ok so read the thread again and im pretty sure whatever conflicts were there before have been dealt with feel free to let me know if im wrong

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2017-12-29T08:10:41+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
topdiff -

01:03:602 (3) - not ncing this breaks ur pattern well the pattern breaks at 01:03:057 (1) - by using sliders so that's fair enough I think
01:30:057 - not being clickable feels pretty underwhelming given the melody, could be a 3/4slider+circle yea? sorry I am not versed in the arcane arts of 3/4 sliders they make me very angry :tangery:
01:50:920 (8) - nc here? compare to the first half of the map (wherever relevant here apply this) big woops also fixed 01:53:103 (1) - too

Alheak

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Alheak 2017-12-29T12:32:58+00:00

Thank you Hobbes, I won't be able to respond to the mod until the 8/9th of Jan tho, just warning everybody.

pishifat

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pishifat 2018-01-03T23:15:23+00:00

pon
00:04:544 (3) - double check ur tail snapping

Alheak

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Alheak 2018-01-08T22:11:28+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
infinte -

00:43:254 (12,1) - this reads like kickslider to circle to me, making the gap a bit more clear would be nice well that's pretty much what it is, the bpm and leniency makes it play just like one, and the downbeat + NC makes it very intuitive to play
00:56:239 (6,1) - fix stack? yes

exh -

00:55:966 (5) - an NC to indicate a shift in patterning / rhythm could be nice here good idea, changed in all my diffs

🤙🤙🤙

edit - ok so read the thread again and im pretty sure whatever conflicts were there before have been dealt with feel free to let me know if im wrong

than kyo u

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PoNo 2018-01-08T22:40:10+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:

pono -

00:18:673 (1) - no stream jump to this feels inconsistent giving the general movement of this part This is a jumpstream, its less spaced cause of the piano pitch, looks good to me.

fixed everything ! last time I hope

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Izzywing

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Izzywing 2018-01-22T23:31:37+00:00

EDIT - I'm fucking stupid and could have just qualified it, so uh...ask nao to qualify it tomorrow. Sorry about that lol

Last edited by Izzywing 2018-01-22T23:52:54+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Alheak

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Alheak 2018-01-22T23:37:56+00:00

stack leniency must be between 0.2 and 0.9

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2018-01-24T04:29:22+00:00

I really love GoldenWolf. Like, a lot. Like, a whole lot. You have no idea. I love hiim so much that it is inexplicable, and I'm ninety-nine percent sure that I have an unhealthy obsession. I will never get tired of listening that sweet, angelic voice of his. It is my life goal to meet up with him in real life and just say hello to him. I fall asleep at night dreaming of him holding a personal concert for me, and then he would be so tired that he comes and cuddles up to me while we sleep together. If I could just hold his hand for a brief moment, I could die happy. If given the opportunity, I would lightly nibble on his ear just to hear what kind of sweet moans he would let out. Then, I would hug his while he clings to my body hoping that I would stop, but I only continue as he moans louder and louder. I would give up almost anything just for him to look in my general direction. No matter what I do, I am constantly thinking of him. When I wake up, he is the first thing on my mind. When I go to school, I can only focus on him. When I go come home, I go on the computer so that I can listen to his beautiful voice. When I go to sleep, I dream of him and me living a happy life together. He is my pride, passion, and joy. If he was to call me "Onii-chan," I would probably get diabetes from his sweetness and die. I wish for nothing but his happiness. If it were for him, I would give my life without any second thoughts. Without him, my life would serve no purpose. I really love gOwO.

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2018-01-24T04:36:50+00:00

kill me

Kurai

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Kurai 2018-01-24T17:21:08+00:00

bubbled

Alheak

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Alheak 2018-01-24T18:28:00+00:00

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_handholding

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_handholding 2018-01-25T14:32:13+00:00

This isn't worth a DQ but next time you don't need to add "pono" in the tags if you have "Ponoyoshi"

Lasse

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Lasse 2018-01-25T14:46:12+00:00

it's actually needed for website search...

_handholding

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_handholding 2018-01-25T18:46:37+00:00

oh, I see. I wasn't aware of that

Well anyways congrats on the qualify ~

Mir

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Mir 2018-01-26T21:39:38+00:00

hey i noticed some uhhhhhh hitsounding errors(?) and im curious about a part in gowo's diff, do consider looking these over?

pono:
00:54:398 - 01:46:761 - blue tick clap? intentional? doesnt sound right to me

gowo:
01:29:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - wasn't this map popped for this stream?? p/6355393 care to explain what happened here i didn't see irre give any "ok" to this being still here after you said you removed it p/6362530

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - kinda not feeling the clap spam here, it doesn't really fit the song since the claps aren't actually in the song to begin with. sounds like it's just there to mask the 19 note jump pattern tbh...

would reallly work better if this part wasn't so additive imo
01:27:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - and here the finishes sound really weird just in general since there firstly are none in the song that appear that often, and secondly it makes it sound like a buildup section when it really isn't. 01:29:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - as well only to finish it off makes this entire part 01:25:420 - 01:29:784 - feel like you mapped a completely different song/section in the middle of the chorus - it really doesn't fit to me and i would like to hear what your reasoning for this whole part is

also yes i know you had a reason for the stream but i agree with the previous people that pointed it out, it rly doesn't fit. but the whole hitsounding scheme there is what im curious about

there's some missed finishes and whistles in the diff i noticed but im not even half sure what your hitsounding scheme is so maybe check those yourself if you decide to change anything

hope you consider what im saying!

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2018-01-26T22:15:22+00:00

concerns on goldenwolf's:

00:15:963 (8) - might want to nc this to not have extensively long combo
00:18:383 (1) - seems really pointless and weird to new combo this, the accompanying pattern is also kind of weird since it's clearly just a normal 8 roll and there's no particularly strong impact from these last 3 notes, in fact since the piano rolls are resetting on blue ticks (e.g. 00:17:415 - 00:17:802 - 00:18:770 - you might want to re-design these a tad
01:27:193 (8,9,10) - are you sure there's nothing you can do to properly section these out? they're pretty clearly the climax of the melody but they're just filling the end of this pattern
01:32:693 (4,5) - this bit is rather clearly much larger in scale than the other 1/3 things you're doing, and seemingly for no reason

01:51:057 (2,3,4,5) - you'll want to properly NC these two-beat asides like u did in this section: 01:00:875 - . On top of that, decide whether you want a 1,2,3,4 (as in 00:58:693 (1,2,3,4) - , and ) or a 1,2,1,2 (as in 00:49:966 (1,2,1,2) - and 01:42:330 (1,2,1,2) - ) - while they're slightly different, they still obviously represent the same parts of the melody as shown by their stacking nature.

01:57:193 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this is one entire smooth roll of 7, not a sudden 4,3, but oh well, artistic liberties

jeanbernard8865

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jeanbernard8865 2018-01-26T22:29:06+00:00

few concerns with gowos diff that i feel need to be addressed

Waterfall of Nine Heavens
-The timing in the beginning is noticeably wrong. While 165bpm does follow the guitar solo somewhat accurately because of many timing sections, it fails to follow the faint (organ?) sound. Even if you are not mapping the organ sound. I believe 180bpm is the correct speed for this song.

00:21:532 (1) - I believe that everything prior to this point was build up for this drop. In that case there is something wrong here. 00:20:365 (1,2,1,2) - The difficulty change here is significant to 00:19:712 (1,2) . I agree with this sudden difficulty spike because it follows the song intensity. However, the section afterwards fails to followup with the difficulty change. Since everything prior to this point was buildup, this section should have the same, if not higher difficulty than the buildup. An example would be: 00:23:032 (1,2,3,4,5) - I believe this pattern should be more spaced

00:31:031 (3) - The guitar comes in with its wonky melody at THIS point, not 00:30:865 (1) . But the way you put NC and arranged your pattern makes it seem like it's at 00:30:865 (1) . I think you should move NC to 00:31:031 (3) and maybe stack 00:30:865 (1,2,3) to better distinguish the melody change.

00:34:698 (1) - Just because sliders 1 and 2 look similar doesn’t make it okay to inconsistently put NC. I would argue that NC should be here 00:35:032 (2) . There are more inconsistency in your New Combos such as 00:35:865 (1,2,3) and 00:39:031 (5) , but pointing every single one of them out is a pain to do, I will leave that task to you. Generally NC is at the big white tick and whenever there is big difficulty spike.

01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - The drums are pretty much consistent, other than the fact that at 01:04:032 (1) the pitch drops. There is no clear reason for this sudden change in DS inconsistency in your stream. If you want to emphasize that the pitch drops at 01:04:032 (1) , try another pattern.

01:05:532 (1,2) - Your slider-heads are on clap sounds and slider-ends are on guitar melody, I don't like this since the players aren't tapping to the melody. I believe clap sounds are secondary, and they can even be neglected (sometimes) to emphasize melody. Don't you feel something missing at 01:05:865 (2) , there is a cool guitar sound and the players aren't tapping on it. Basically, mapping to the rhythm is fine and all, as long as your map emphasizes the melody the most, if that makes sense.

01:06:698 (1,2,3,4) - Same problem that I had with 01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) .

01:13:615 (4,1,2,3) and 01:14:615 (4,1,2,3) - follow similar rhythm, and you should move 01:14:615 (4,1) farther away from 01:14:198 (3) . Like how you spaced 01:13:365 (3,4,1) .

Kiai Time: There isn’t a stable flow that my mouse can follow, so gameplay feels a little choppy. It isn’t very visually appealing either. Distance between objects doesn’t really follow the intensity of the song at certain times. I will point out a few of these problems.

01:18:032 (2) - You’ve been using simple slider shapes like straight and curve, and this sudden change here doesn’t really make sense. The long guitar sound isn’t that intense to begin with, and you ended it on the wrong beat.

01:21:032 (3,4,5) - I don’t see how 5 deserves such a big jump, and I don’t understand why 01:21:532 is not mapped. There is a clap sound at 5 yes, but every other 2 bars has one. 01:20:698 (2) has a clap, and 01:20:865 is mapped correct? Same rule applies here then. You can’t just add your own hitsounds to a map and map those hitsounds as if they were part of the song.

01:26:365 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - You ignored the guitar here and focused the drums, but you focused the guitar here 01:24:865 (1,2,3,4) and ignored the drums. Pick which instrument to focus on and stick with it. Also this 01:26:698 (1,2,3,4,1) is too spaced, the drums are dropping in pitch, and is not intensifying, which means that this difficulty spike is contradicting the song.

This next part is just copy pasted so im gonna skip~

For this section 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) can you use 2 combo colors? I know you're trying to make it look cool but it's really hard to play those 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) when they stack. Maybe use white and a shade of grey to compliment the storyboard.

I can't really pass the slider deathstream haha, rhythm kinda hard to follow but that's probably intended so not gonna say anything.

03:28:615 (3) - Please don’t use 5% for any slider ends it’s confusing as fuck

04:10:198 (2,1) - fix the parallel part please

05:08:698 - this timing point is unnecessary. Not all songs end the last note on a big white tick anyways
And that's all! If you have questions about my mods don't hesitate to pm me on forum or in game. Good luck with your map

~~i actually dont have a clue~~

Alheak

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Alheak 2018-01-26T22:40:44+00:00

Left

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Left 2018-01-27T11:54:18+00:00

good stuff! gratz on qualified~ and i hope you can solve concerns above xd

Len

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Len 2018-01-29T04:38:12+00:00

leave it somethings no need to fix all, but i hope it helps..... oh wait, it already got qualified ;w;

pono

01:34:693 (1) - why it snapped at 1/6 even u use 1/4 both b4 01:34:966 (4,5) -
00:43:254 (3) - others are snapped on 00:43:383 - but this diff only snapped at 00:43:351 - . whos win?
00:52:489 (6) - what do you think about that remove it? since the big beat ends on here, would be beter imo.
00:54:330 (4,5,6,7) - this flow is questionable imo. if u didnt stack 00:54:602 (6,7) - it both, can be mor perfect im sure
01:05:511 - so empty here

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2018-01-29T19:39:34+00:00

ogod I almost forgot to check the feedback

Mir wrote:
hey i noticed some uhhhhhh hitsounding errors(?) and im curious about a part in gowo's diff, do consider looking these over?

gowo:
01:29:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - wasn't this map popped for this stream?? p/6355393 care to explain what happened here i didn't see irre give any "ok" to this being still here after you said you removed it p/6362530 Because I didn't even agree with irre's point to begin with. I hated the removal of that stream. Never got an actual mod from irre about it either, from what I understood he didn't even check the map but simply veto'd it because there was an overmapped stream, when I tried discussing it on discord with him he pretty much rejected all my arguments as non-valid because he very strongly disagree with overmapping, so yeah since we can't discuss the matter and I disagree with the removal of it (for various reasons I've stated multiple times but basically because I think it fits, adds something to the song and also the song actually has a faint roll going on there), I don't think I should concede it.

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - kinda not feeling the clap spam here, it doesn't really fit the song since the claps aren't actually in the song to begin with. sounds like it's just there to mask the 19 note jump pattern tbh... would reallly work better if this part wasn't so additive imo
01:27:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - and here the finishes sound really weird just in general since there firstly are none in the song that appear that often, and secondly it makes it sound like a buildup section when it really isn't. 01:29:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - as well only to finish it off makes this entire part 01:25:420 - 01:29:784 - feel like you mapped a completely different song/section in the middle of the chorus - it really doesn't fit to me and i would like to hear what your reasoning for this whole part is Yeah it's additive hitsounding, I don't think it sounds wrong or bad but then again maybe I'm just biased because I listen to a lot of metal? idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In any case it's not like I don't understand how or why people wouldn't like it, and while I often press people to follow a song first and foremost, I also like additive stuff, building around a song with moderation, I do think it isn't a bad addition and it isn't out of place either.
Because it's the climax of the song and that part is especially light on the drums to me (again, maybe I'm biased bcs I listen to a lot of metal yada yada) with only a snare on 2nd and 4th beat and basically can't hear much else, I decided to add more power to it with a 1/1 snare and then cymbals on the 2nd part.
That's about it really. Arguable for the roll, but still I do hear a roll there and I don't I'm imagining it lol, I added the hitsounds to give more feedback to it.

also yes i know you had a reason for the stream but i agree with the previous people that pointed it out, it rly doesn't fit. but the whole hitsounding scheme there is what im curious about I mean it's fine, I totally get why people wouldn't like it and think it doesn't fit, I'm not forcing anyone to accept my views, in the end it's what I feel like fits the song best and how I represent it. That said I'm still honestly surprised the hitsounding and that stream getting so much negative attention lol, I really don't think it's that big of a deal nor even such an issue at all :p

there's some missed finishes and whistles in the diff i noticed but im not even half sure what your hitsounding scheme is so maybe check those yourself if you decide to change anything Please do point them out if you feel like they're missing, I quickly checked and didn't notice anything missing but still would like to hear what you think could/should be added

hope you consider what im saying!

Shiirn wrote:
concerns on goldenwolf's:

00:15:963 (8) - might want to nc this to not have extensively long combo I don't think 16 is that long of a combo but I guess a nc won't hurt
00:18:383 (1) - seems really pointless and weird to new combo this, the accompanying pattern is also kind of weird since it's clearly just a normal 8 roll and there's no particularly strong impact from these last 3 notes, in fact since the piano rolls are resetting on blue ticks (e.g. 00:17:415 - 00:17:802 - 00:18:770 - you might want to re-design these a tad oh shit yeah I missed the blue tick emphasis there my bad, feels so much better now lol
01:27:193 (8,9,10) - are you sure there's nothing you can do to properly section these out? they're pretty clearly the climax of the melody but they're just filling the end of this pattern I can NC it to make it stand out more, that said I don't wanna overdo it too hard on the spacing and such bcs it's quite a long row of 1/2s already
01:32:693 (4,5) - this bit is rather clearly much larger in scale than the other 1/3 things you're doing, and seemingly for no reason What do you mean for no reason? Of course there are reasons lol; it's the climax of the song, loud and high pitched synth, spacing isn't even new as the intro has the same spacing for roughly the same speed (155bpm 1/4 vs 220bpm 1/3)

01:51:057 (2,3,4,5) - you'll want to properly NC these two-beat asides like u did in this section: 01:00:875 - . On top of that, decide whether you want a 1,2,3,4 (as in 00:58:693 (1,2,3,4) - , and ) or a 1,2,1,2 (as in 00:49:966 (1,2,1,2) - and 01:42:330 (1,2,1,2) - ) - while they're slightly different, they still obviously represent the same parts of the melody as shown by their stacking nature. Fixed the inconsistencies

01:57:193 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this is one entire smooth roll of 7, not a sudden 4,3, but oh well, artistic liberties The synth yes but the drums are split in 4 then 3, feels unnatural to me to just ignore it when I hitsound the drums

Thank you both for your mods!

Protastic101

1,170 posts

Joined July 2015

Protastic101 2018-01-29T22:32:10+00:00

As requested

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2018-01-29T23:52:45+00:00

I've reset kudosu, you can give it the posts that you've found helpful now.

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2018-01-31T21:11:57+00:00

Len wrote:
leave it somethings no need to fix all, but i hope it helps..... oh wait, it already got qualified ;w;

pono

01:34:693 (1) - why it snapped at 1/6 even u use 1/4 both b4 01:34:966 (4,5) - I've managed to do that because of the stream just before in 1/3, there no sound on the sliderend even if I put a 1/4 there.. So I putted a 1/3 slider to stay consistent with the last stream and make a smoother transition than just finishing the stream on a circle. 01:34:966 (4,5) - and both sliders are 1/4 cause the rhythme changed on them.

00:52:489 (6) - what do you think about that remove it? since the big beat ends on here, would be beter imo. I don't like putting just a triple in that pattern, I prefered this cause of kickslider effect, and the playability is not affected that much cause the direction is still quite the same.

01:05:511 - so empty hereCause there no real sound on it. In my opinion this works fine, and putting a sliders is quite the same thing.

Removed fixed issues from mir

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Izzywing

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Izzywing 2018-02-10T07:01:43+00:00

everyone's responded to, so

Mir

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Mir 2018-02-10T09:23:21+00:00

AyanokoRin wrote:
few concerns with gowos diff that i feel need to be addressed

Waterfall of Nine Heavens
-The timing in the beginning is noticeably wrong. While 165bpm does follow the guitar solo somewhat accurately because of many timing sections, it fails to follow the faint (organ?) sound. Even if you are not mapping the organ sound. I believe 180bpm is the correct speed for this song.

00:21:532 (1) - I believe that everything prior to this point was build up for this drop. In that case there is something wrong here. 00:20:365 (1,2,1,2) - The difficulty change here is significant to 00:19:712 (1,2) . I agree with this sudden difficulty spike because it follows the song intensity. However, the section afterwards fails to followup with the difficulty change. Since everything prior to this point was buildup, this section should have the same, if not higher difficulty than the buildup. An example would be: 00:23:032 (1,2,3,4,5) - I believe this pattern should be more spaced

00:31:031 (3) - The guitar comes in with its wonky melody at THIS point, not 00:30:865 (1) . But the way you put NC and arranged your pattern makes it seem like it's at 00:30:865 (1) . I think you should move NC to 00:31:031 (3) and maybe stack 00:30:865 (1,2,3) to better distinguish the melody change.

00:34:698 (1) - Just because sliders 1 and 2 look similar doesn’t make it okay to inconsistently put NC. I would argue that NC should be here 00:35:032 (2) . There are more inconsistency in your New Combos such as 00:35:865 (1,2,3) and 00:39:031 (5) , but pointing every single one of them out is a pain to do, I will leave that task to you. Generally NC is at the big white tick and whenever there is big difficulty spike.

01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - The drums are pretty much consistent, other than the fact that at 01:04:032 (1) the pitch drops. There is no clear reason for this sudden change in DS inconsistency in your stream. If you want to emphasize that the pitch drops at 01:04:032 (1) , try another pattern.

01:05:532 (1,2) - Your slider-heads are on clap sounds and slider-ends are on guitar melody, I don't like this since the players aren't tapping to the melody. I believe clap sounds are secondary, and they can even be neglected (sometimes) to emphasize melody. Don't you feel something missing at 01:05:865 (2) , there is a cool guitar sound and the players aren't tapping on it. Basically, mapping to the rhythm is fine and all, as long as your map emphasizes the melody the most, if that makes sense.

01:06:698 (1,2,3,4) - Same problem that I had with 01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) .

01:13:615 (4,1,2,3) and 01:14:615 (4,1,2,3) - follow similar rhythm, and you should move 01:14:615 (4,1) farther away from 01:14:198 (3) . Like how you spaced 01:13:365 (3,4,1) .

Kiai Time: There isn’t a stable flow that my mouse can follow, so gameplay feels a little choppy. It isn’t very visually appealing either. Distance between objects doesn’t really follow the intensity of the song at certain times. I will point out a few of these problems.

01:18:032 (2) - You’ve been using simple slider shapes like straight and curve, and this sudden change here doesn’t really make sense. The long guitar sound isn’t that intense to begin with, and you ended it on the wrong beat.

01:21:032 (3,4,5) - I don’t see how 5 deserves such a big jump, and I don’t understand why 01:21:532 is not mapped. There is a clap sound at 5 yes, but every other 2 bars has one. 01:20:698 (2) has a clap, and 01:20:865 is mapped correct? Same rule applies here then. You can’t just add your own hitsounds to a map and map those hitsounds as if they were part of the song.

01:26:365 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - You ignored the guitar here and focused the drums, but you focused the guitar here 01:24:865 (1,2,3,4) and ignored the drums. Pick which instrument to focus on and stick with it. Also this 01:26:698 (1,2,3,4,1) is too spaced, the drums are dropping in pitch, and is not intensifying, which means that this difficulty spike is contradicting the song.

This next part is just copy pasted so im gonna skip~

For this section 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) can you use 2 combo colors? I know you're trying to make it look cool but it's really hard to play those 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) when they stack. Maybe use white and a shade of grey to compliment the storyboard.

I can't really pass the slider deathstream haha, rhythm kinda hard to follow but that's probably intended so not gonna say anything.

03:28:615 (3) - Please don’t use 5% for any slider ends it’s confusing as fuck

04:10:198 (2,1) - fix the parallel part please

05:08:698 - this timing point is unnecessary. Not all songs end the last note on a big white tick anyways
And that's all! If you have questions about my mods don't hesitate to pm me on forum or in game. Good luck with your map

~~i actually dont have a clue~~

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Izzywing

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Izzywing 2018-02-10T09:29:02+00:00

EDIT - okay mir is fucking stupid and baited me ayanoko you're a legend

Last edited by Izzywing 2018-02-10T09:46:18+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Mir

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Mir 2018-02-10T09:35:06+00:00

ok so you got memed on that's not even a mod for this map

nextplay

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nextplay 2018-02-10T09:41:23+00:00

Mir wrote:
ok so you got memed on that's not even a mod for this map

Izzywing

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Izzywing 2018-02-10T09:46:55+00:00

im actually angry that i fell for mir falling for that. fucking kill me

jeanbernard8865

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jeanbernard8865 2018-02-10T19:22:59+00:00

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MBomb

MBomb 2018-02-10T19:48:19+00:00

few concerns with gowos diff that i feel need to be addressed

Waterfall of Nine Heavens
-The timing in the beginning is noticeably wrong. While 165bpm does follow the guitar solo somewhat accurately because of many timing sections, it fails to follow the faint (organ?) sound. Even if you are not mapping the organ sound. I believe 180bpm is the correct speed for this song.

00:21:532 (1) - I believe that everything prior to this point was build up for this drop. In that case there is something wrong here. 00:20:365 (1,2,1,2) - The difficulty change here is significant to 00:19:712 (1,2) . I agree with this sudden difficulty spike because it follows the song intensity. However, the section afterwards fails to followup with the difficulty change. Since everything prior to this point was buildup, this section should have the same, if not higher difficulty than the buildup. An example would be: 00:23:032 (1,2,3,4,5) - I believe this pattern should be more spaced

00:31:031 (3) - The guitar comes in with its wonky melody at THIS point, not 00:30:865 (1) . But the way you put NC and arranged your pattern makes it seem like it's at 00:30:865 (1) . I think you should move NC to 00:31:031 (3) and maybe stack 00:30:865 (1,2,3) to better distinguish the melody change.

00:34:698 (1) - Just because sliders 1 and 2 look similar doesn’t make it okay to inconsistently put NC. I would argue that NC should be here 00:35:032 (2) . There are more inconsistency in your New Combos such as 00:35:865 (1,2,3) and 00:39:031 (5) , but pointing every single one of them out is a pain to do, I will leave that task to you. Generally NC is at the big white tick and whenever there is big difficulty spike.

01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - The drums are pretty much consistent, other than the fact that at 01:04:032 (1) the pitch drops. There is no clear reason for this sudden change in DS inconsistency in your stream. If you want to emphasize that the pitch drops at 01:04:032 (1) , try another pattern.

01:05:532 (1,2) - Your slider-heads are on clap sounds and slider-ends are on guitar melody, I don't like this since the players aren't tapping to the melody. I believe clap sounds are secondary, and they can even be neglected (sometimes) to emphasize melody. Don't you feel something missing at 01:05:865 (2) , there is a cool guitar sound and the players aren't tapping on it. Basically, mapping to the rhythm is fine and all, as long as your map emphasizes the melody the most, if that makes sense.

01:06:698 (1,2,3,4) - Same problem that I had with 01:03:698 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) .

01:13:615 (4,1,2,3) and 01:14:615 (4,1,2,3) - follow similar rhythm, and you should move 01:14:615 (4,1) farther away from 01:14:198 (3) . Like how you spaced 01:13:365 (3,4,1) .

Kiai Time: There isn’t a stable flow that my mouse can follow, so gameplay feels a little choppy. It isn’t very visually appealing either. Distance between objects doesn’t really follow the intensity of the song at certain times. I will point out a few of these problems.

01:18:032 (2) - You’ve been using simple slider shapes like straight and curve, and this sudden change here doesn’t really make sense. The long guitar sound isn’t that intense to begin with, and you ended it on the wrong beat.

01:21:032 (3,4,5) - I don’t see how 5 deserves such a big jump, and I don’t understand why 01:21:532 is not mapped. There is a clap sound at 5 yes, but every other 2 bars has one. 01:20:698 (2) has a clap, and 01:20:865 is mapped correct? Same rule applies here then. You can’t just add your own hitsounds to a map and map those hitsounds as if they were part of the song.

01:26:365 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - You ignored the guitar here and focused the drums, but you focused the guitar here 01:24:865 (1,2,3,4) and ignored the drums. Pick which instrument to focus on and stick with it. Also this 01:26:698 (1,2,3,4,1) is too spaced, the drums are dropping in pitch, and is not intensifying, which means that this difficulty spike is contradicting the song.

This next part is just copy pasted so im gonna skip~

For this section 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) can you use 2 combo colors? I know you're trying to make it look cool but it's really hard to play those 02:53:698 (1,2,3,4,5) when they stack. Maybe use white and a shade of grey to compliment the storyboard.

I can't really pass the slider deathstream haha, rhythm kinda hard to follow but that's probably intended so not gonna say anything.

03:28:615 (3) - Please don’t use 5% for any slider ends it’s confusing as fuck

04:10:198 (2,1) - fix the parallel part please

05:08:698 - this timing point is unnecessary. Not all songs end the last note on a big white tick anyways
And that's all! If you have questions about my mods don't hesitate to pm me on forum or in game. Good luck with your map

~~i actually dont have a clue~~

blobdash

912 posts

Joined April 2016

blobdash 2018-02-10T19:57:49+00:00

bɘꙅꙅɘɿbbɒ ɘd oƚ bɘɘᴎ |ɘɘᎸ i ƚɒʜƚ ᎸᎸib ꙅowoǫ ʜƚiw ꙅᴎɿɘɔᴎoɔ wɘᎸ

ꙅᴎɘvɒɘH ɘᴎiͶ Ꮈo ||ɒᎸɿɘƚɒW
.ǫᴎoꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ɿoᎸ bɘɘqꙅ ƚɔɘɿɿoɔ ɘʜƚ ꙅi mqd08 ɘvɘi|ɘd I .bᴎuoꙅ ᴎɒǫɿo ɘʜƚ ǫᴎiqqɒm ƚoᴎ ɘɿɒ uoʏ Ꮈi ᴎɘvƎ .bᴎuoꙅ (⸮ᴎɒǫɿo) ƚᴎiɒᎸ ɘʜƚ wo||oᎸ oƚ ꙅ|iɒᎸ ƚi ,ꙅᴎoiƚɔɘꙅ ǫᴎimiƚ ʏᴎɒm Ꮈo ɘꙅuɒɔɘd ʏ|ɘƚɒɿuɔɔɒ ƚɒʜwɘmoꙅ o|oꙅ ɿɒƚiuǫ ɘʜƚ wo||oᎸ ꙅɘob mqd ɘ|iʜW .ǫᴎoɿw ʏ|dɒɘɔiƚoᴎ ꙅi ǫᴎiᴎᴎiǫɘd ɘʜƚ ᴎi ǫᴎimiƚ ɘʜT-

bɘɔɒqꙅ ɘɿom ɘd b|uoʜꙅ ᴎɿɘƚƚɒq ꙅiʜƚ ɘvɘi|ɘd I - (,,,,) 0::00 :ɘd b|uow ɘ|qmɒxɘ ᴎA .qub|iud ɘʜƚ ᴎɒʜƚ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ɿɘʜǫiʜ ƚoᴎ Ꮈi ,ɘmɒꙅ ɘʜƚ ɘvɒʜ b|uoʜꙅ ᴎoiƚɔɘꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ,qub|iud ꙅɒw ƚᴎioq ꙅiʜƚ oƚ ɿoiɿq ǫᴎiʜƚʏɿɘvɘ ɘɔᴎiꙄ .ɘǫᴎɒʜɔ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ɘʜƚ ʜƚiw quwo||oᎸ oƚ ꙅ|iɒᎸ ꙅbɿɒwɿɘƚᎸɒ ᴎoiƚɔɘꙅ ɘʜƚ ,ɿɘvɘwoH .ʏƚiꙅᴎɘƚᴎi ǫᴎoꙅ ɘʜƚ ꙅwo||oᎸ ƚi ɘꙅuɒɔɘd ɘʞiqꙅ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ᴎɘbbuꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ʜƚiw ɘɘɿǫɒ I . (,) :9:00 oƚ ƚᴎɒɔiᎸiᴎǫiꙅ ꙅi ɘɿɘʜ ɘǫᴎɒʜɔ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ɘʜT - (,,,) :0:00 .ɘɿɘʜ ǫᴎoɿw ǫᴎiʜƚɘmoꙅ ꙅi ɘɿɘʜƚ ɘꙅɒɔ ƚɒʜƚ ᴎI .qoɿb ꙅiʜƚ ɿoᎸ qu b|iud ꙅɒw ƚᴎioq ꙅiʜƚ oƚ ɿoiɿq ǫᴎiʜƚʏɿɘvɘ ƚɒʜƚ ɘvɘi|ɘd I - () ::00

.ɘǫᴎɒʜɔ ʏbo|ɘm ɘʜƚ ʜꙅiuǫᴎiƚꙅib ɿɘƚƚɘd oƚ (,,) 8:0:00 ʞɔɒƚꙅ ɘdʏɒm bᴎɒ () 0::00 oƚ ƆͶ ɘvom b|uoʜꙅ uoʏ ʞᴎiʜƚ I . () 8:0:00 ƚɒ ꙅ'ƚi ɘʞi| mɘɘꙅ ƚi ꙅɘʞɒm ᴎɿɘƚƚɒq ɿuoʏ bɘǫᴎɒɿɿɒ bᴎɒ ƆͶ ƚuq uoʏ ʏɒw ɘʜƚ ƚuᙠ . () 8:0:00 ƚoᴎ ,ƚᴎioq ꙄIHT ƚɒ ʏbo|ɘm ʏʞᴎow ꙅƚi ʜƚiw ᴎi ꙅɘmoɔ ɿɒƚiuǫ ɘʜT - () 0::00

.ɘʞiqꙅ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ǫid ꙅi ɘɿɘʜƚ ɿɘvɘᴎɘʜw bᴎɒ ʞɔiƚ ɘƚiʜw ǫid ɘʜƚ ƚɒ ꙅi ƆͶ ʏ||ɒɿɘᴎɘᎮ .uoʏ oƚ ʞꙅɒƚ ƚɒʜƚ ɘvɒɘ| ||iw I ,ob oƚ ᴎiɒq ɒ ꙅi ƚuo mɘʜƚ Ꮈo ɘᴎo ɘ|ǫᴎiꙅ ʏɿɘvɘ ǫᴎiƚᴎioq ƚud , () 0:9:00 bᴎɒ (,,) 8::00 ꙅɒ ʜɔuꙅ ꙅodmoƆ wɘͶ ɿuoʏ ᴎi ʏɔᴎɘƚꙅiꙅᴎoɔᴎi ɘɿom ɘɿɒ ɘɿɘʜT . () 0::00 ɘɿɘʜ ɘd b|uoʜꙅ ƆͶ ƚɒʜƚ ɘuǫɿɒ b|uow I .ƆͶ ƚuq ʏ|ƚᴎɘƚꙅiꙅᴎoɔᴎi oƚ ʏɒʞo ƚi ɘʞɒm ƚ’ᴎꙅɘob ɿɒ|imiꙅ ʞoo| bᴎɒ ꙅɿɘbi|ꙅ ɘꙅuɒɔɘd ƚꙅuႱ - () 89::00

.ᴎɿɘƚƚɒq ɿɘʜƚoᴎɒ ʏɿƚ , () 0:0:0 ƚɒ ꙅqoɿb ʜɔƚiq ɘʜƚ ƚɒʜƚ ɘƹiꙅɒʜqmɘ oƚ ƚᴎɒw uoʏ ᎸI .mɒɘɿƚꙅ ɿuoʏ ᴎi ʏɔᴎɘƚꙅiꙅᴎoɔᴎi Ꙅᗡ ᴎi ɘǫᴎɒʜɔ ᴎɘbbuꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ɿoᎸ ᴎoꙅɒɘɿ ɿɒɘ|ɔ oᴎ ꙅi ɘɿɘʜT .ꙅqoɿb ʜɔƚiq ɘʜƚ () 0:0:0 ƚɒ ƚɒʜƚ ƚɔɒᎸ ɘʜƚ ᴎɒʜƚ ɿɘʜƚo ,ƚᴎɘƚꙅiꙅᴎoɔ ʜɔum ʏƚƚɘɿq ɘɿɒ ꙅmuɿb ɘʜT - (,,,,,,,) 89:0:0

.ɘꙅᴎɘꙅ ꙅɘʞɒm ƚɒʜƚ Ꮈi ,ƚꙅom ɘʜƚ ʏbo|ɘm ɘʜƚ ꙅɘƹiꙅɒʜqmɘ qɒm ɿuoʏ ꙅɒ ǫᴎo| ꙅɒ ,||ɒ bᴎɒ ɘᴎiᎸ ꙅi mʜƚʏʜɿ ɘʜƚ oƚ ǫᴎiqqɒm ,ʏ||ɒɔiꙅɒᙠ .ƚi ᴎo ǫᴎiqqɒƚ ƚ'ᴎɘɿɒ ꙅɿɘʏɒ|q ɘʜƚ bᴎɒ bᴎuoꙅ ɿɒƚiuǫ |ooɔ ɒ ꙅi ɘɿɘʜƚ , () 8:0:0 ƚɒ ǫᴎiꙅꙅim ǫᴎiʜƚɘmoꙅ |ɘɘᎸ uoʏ ƚ'ᴎoᗡ .ʏbo|ɘm ɘƹiꙅɒʜqmɘ oƚ (ꙅɘmiƚɘmoꙅ) bɘƚɔɘ|ǫɘᴎ ɘd ᴎɘvɘ ᴎɒɔ ʏɘʜƚ bᴎɒ ,ʏɿɒbᴎoɔɘꙅ ɘɿɒ ꙅbᴎuoꙅ qɒ|ɔ ɘvɘi|ɘd I .ʏbo|ɘm ɘʜƚ oƚ ǫᴎiqqɒƚ ƚ'ᴎɘɿɒ ꙅɿɘʏɒ|q ɘʜƚ ɘɔᴎiꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ɘʞi| ƚ'ᴎob I ,ʏbo|ɘm ɿɒƚiuǫ ᴎo ɘɿɒ ꙅbᴎɘ-ɿɘbi|ꙅ bᴎɒ ꙅbᴎuoꙅ qɒ|ɔ ᴎo ɘɿɒ ꙅbɒɘʜ-ɿɘbi|ꙅ ɿuoY - (,) :0:0

. (,,,,,,,) 89:0:0 ʜƚiw bɒʜ I ƚɒʜƚ mɘ|doɿq ɘmɒꙄ - (,,,) 89:0:0

. (,,) ::0 bɘɔɒqꙅ uoʏ woʜ ɘʞi⅃ . () 89::0 moɿᎸ ʏɒwɒ ɿɘʜƚɿɒᎸ (,) ::0 ɘvom b|uoʜꙅ uoʏ bᴎɒ ,mʜƚʏʜɿ ɿɒ|imiꙅ wo||oᎸ - (,,,) ::0 bᴎɒ (,,,) ::0

.ꙅmɘ|doɿq ɘꙅɘʜƚ Ꮈo wɘᎸ ɒ ƚuo ƚᴎioq ||iw I .ꙅɘmiƚ ᴎiɒƚɿɘɔ ƚɒ ǫᴎoꙅ ɘʜƚ Ꮈo ʏƚiꙅᴎɘƚᴎi ɘʜƚ wo||oᎸ ʏ||ɒɘɿ ƚ’ᴎꙅɘob ꙅƚɔɘꞁdo ᴎɘɘwƚɘd ɘɔᴎɒƚꙅiᗡ .ɿɘʜƚiɘ ǫᴎi|ɒɘqqɒ ʏ||ɒuꙅiv ʏɿɘv ƚ’ᴎꙅi ƚI .ʏqqoʜɔ ɘ|ƚƚi| ɒ ꙅ|ɘɘᎸ ʏɒ|qɘmɒǫ oꙅ ,wo||oᎸ ᴎɒɔ ɘꙅuom ʏm ƚɒʜƚ wo|Ꮈ ɘ|dɒƚꙅ ɒ ƚ’ᴎꙅi ɘɿɘʜT :ɘmiT iɒi⋊

.ƚɒɘd ǫᴎoɿw ɘʜƚ ᴎo ƚi bɘbᴎɘ uoʏ bᴎɒ ,ʜƚiw ᴎiǫɘd oƚ ɘꙅᴎɘƚᴎi ƚɒʜƚ ƚ’ᴎꙅi bᴎuoꙅ ɿɒƚiuǫ ǫᴎo| ɘʜT .ɘꙅᴎɘꙅ ɘʞɒm ʏ||ɒɘɿ ƚ’ᴎꙅɘob ɘɿɘʜ ɘǫᴎɒʜɔ ᴎɘbbuꙅ ꙅiʜƚ bᴎɒ ,ɘvɿuɔ bᴎɒ ƚʜǫiɒɿƚꙅ ɘʞi| ꙅɘqɒʜꙅ ɿɘbi|ꙅ ɘ|qmiꙅ ǫᴎiꙅu ᴎɘɘd ɘv’uoY - () 0:8:0

.ǫᴎoꙅ ɘʜƚ Ꮈo ƚɿɒq ɘɿɘw ʏɘʜƚ Ꮈi ꙅɒ ꙅbᴎuoꙅƚiʜ ɘꙅoʜƚ qɒm bᴎɒ qɒm ɒ oƚ ꙅbᴎuoꙅƚiʜ ᴎwo ɿuoʏ bbɒ ƚꙅuꞁ ƚ’ᴎɒɔ uoY .ᴎɘʜƚ ɘɿɘʜ ꙅɘi|qqɒ ɘ|uɿ ɘmɒꙄ ⸮ƚɔɘɿɿoɔ bɘqqɒm ꙅi 8:0:0 bᴎɒ ,qɒ|ɔ ɒ ꙅɒʜ () 89:0:0 .ɘᴎo ꙅɒʜ ꙅɿɒd ɿɘʜƚo ʏɿɘvɘ ƚud ,ꙅɘʏ ƚɒ bᴎuoꙅ qɒ|ɔ ɒ ꙅi ɘɿɘʜT .bɘqqɒm ƚoᴎ ꙅi ::0 ʏʜw bᴎɒƚꙅɿɘbᴎu ƚ’ᴎob I bᴎɒ ,qmuꞁ ǫid ɒ ʜɔuꙅ ꙅɘvɿɘꙅɘb woʜ ɘɘꙅ ƚ’ᴎob I - (,,) 0::0

.ǫᴎoꙅ ɘʜƚ ǫᴎiƚɔibɒɿƚᴎoɔ ꙅi ɘʞiqꙅ ʏƚ|uɔiᎸᎸib ꙅiʜƚ ƚɒʜƚ ꙅᴎɒɘm ʜɔiʜw ,ǫᴎiʏᎸiꙅᴎɘƚᴎi ƚoᴎ ꙅi bᴎɒ ,ʜɔƚiq ᴎi ǫᴎiqqoɿb ɘɿɒ ꙅmuɿb ɘʜƚ ,bɘɔɒqꙅ ooƚ ꙅi (,,,,) 89::0 ꙅiʜƚ oꙅ|A .ƚi ʜƚiw ʞɔiƚꙅ bᴎɒ ᴎo ꙅuɔoᎸ oƚ ƚᴎɘmuɿƚꙅᴎi ʜɔiʜw ʞɔiꟼ .ꙅmuɿb ɘʜƚ bɘɿoᴎǫi bᴎɒ (,,,) 8::0 ɘɿɘʜ ɿɒƚiuǫ ɘʜƚ bɘꙅuɔoᎸ uoʏ ƚud ,ꙅmuɿb ɘʜƚ bɘꙅuɔoᎸ bᴎɒ ɘɿɘʜ ɿɒƚiuǫ ɘʜƚ bɘɿoᴎǫi uoY - (,,,,,,) ::0

~qiʞꙅ ɒᴎᴎoǫ mi oꙅ bɘƚꙅɒq ʏqoɔ ƚꙅuꞁ ꙅi ƚɿɒq ƚxɘᴎ ꙅiʜT

.bɿɒodʏɿoƚꙅ ɘʜƚ ƚᴎɘmi|qmoɔ oƚ ʏɘɿǫ Ꮈo ɘbɒʜꙅ ɒ bᴎɒ ɘƚiʜw ɘꙅu ɘdʏɒM .ʞɔɒƚꙅ ʏɘʜƚ ᴎɘʜw (,,,,) 89::0 ɘꙅoʜƚ ʏɒ|q oƚ bɿɒʜ ʏ||ɒɘɿ ꙅ'ƚi ƚud |ooɔ ʞoo| ƚi ɘʞɒm oƚ ǫᴎiʏɿƚ ɘɿ'uoʏ woᴎʞ I ⸮ꙅɿo|oɔ odmoɔ ɘꙅu uoʏ ᴎɒɔ (,,,,) 89::0 ᴎoiƚɔɘꙅ ꙅiʜƚ ɿoꟻ

.ǫᴎiʜƚʏᴎɒ ʏɒꙅ ɒᴎᴎoǫ ƚoᴎ oꙅ bɘbᴎɘƚᴎi ʏ|dɒdoɿq ꙅ'ƚɒʜƚ ƚud wo||oᎸ oƚ bɿɒʜ ɒbᴎiʞ mʜƚʏʜɿ ,ɒʜɒʜ mɒɘɿƚꙅʜƚɒɘb ɿɘbi|ꙅ ɘʜƚ ꙅꙅɒq ʏ||ɒɘɿ ƚ'ᴎɒɔ I

ʞɔuᎸ ꙅɒ ǫᴎiꙅuᎸᴎoɔ ꙅ’ƚi ꙅbᴎɘ ɿɘbi|ꙅ ʏᴎɒ ɿoᎸ % ɘꙅu ƚ’ᴎob ɘꙅɒɘ|ꟼ - () :8:0

ɘꙅɒɘ|q ƚɿɒq |ɘ||ɒɿɒq ɘʜƚ xiᎸ - (,) 89:0:0

ꙅʏɒwʏᴎɒ ʞɔiƚ ɘƚiʜw ǫid ɒ ᴎo ɘƚoᴎ ƚꙅɒ| ɘʜƚ bᴎɘ ꙅǫᴎoꙅ ||ɒ ƚoͶ .ʏɿɒꙅꙅɘɔɘᴎᴎu ꙅi ƚᴎioq ǫᴎimiƚ ꙅiʜƚ - 89:80:0
qɒm ɿuoʏ ʜƚiw ʞɔu| booᎮ .ɘmɒǫ ᴎi ɿo muɿoᎸ ᴎo ɘm mq oƚ ɘƚɒƚiꙅɘʜ ƚ'ᴎob ꙅbom ʏm ƚuodɒ ꙅᴎoiƚꙅɘup ɘvɒʜ uoʏ ᎸI !||ɒ ꙅ'ƚɒʜƚ bᴎA

ɘu|ɔ ɒ ɘvɒʜ ƚᴎob ʏ||ɒuƚɔɒ i

jeanbernard8865

600 posts

Joined December 2014

jeanbernard8865 2018-02-10T19:59:25+00:00

all i wanted was to trigger gowo i did not ask for any of this

blobdash

912 posts

Joined April 2016

blobdash 2018-02-10T20:00:42+00:00

AyanokoRin wrote:
all i wanted was to trigger gowo i did not ask for any of this

b̶͢͠u͢͝҉t̶̴͜͡ ̵̵̢̢͡i̧͞t̶̀͜͠ ̡̢h̸͟͞҉̴a̢̛͢p̕͘p̵̡ȩ̷̸̛҉n̢̕e̸̛d̶́͠

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2018-02-10T20:02:27+00:00

:joy:

Nao Tomori

osu! Alumni

3,106 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2018-02-12T02:48:56+00:00

few concerns with gowos diff that i feel need to be addressed

this map is qualified

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Topic Starter

Alheak 2018-02-12T02:56:22+00:00

pls no more concerns thank

ferret irl

212 posts

Joined July 2015

ferret irl 2018-02-14T03:44:08+00:00

Alheak wrote:
pls no more concerns thank

Greetings,

I have some concerns about gowo's diff. Along with a few other things I believe are to be mistakes. I highly advise to re-check on many of the inconsistent hitsounds on the Extra difficulties.

[General (All difficulties)] It would be an improvement if the Ending Spinner can either gradually decrease in volume or ended with a ~5% mute. The music fades out and keeping the spinner-end to hit at 70% volume is unsettling.

01:49:420 (1) - Missing Clap if the intent was to clap every 1s and 3s for this kiai. The music does provide a clap for the first beat of both phrases that's why.
01:53:784 (1) - ^

I listed some other hitsounds on the INFINITE difficulty, so if you changed any of those, then it'd apply to the rest of the difficulties.

[Goldenwolf]00:09:770 (11) - This slider should still be on 1/2 to match the rest of the previous sliders. The music doesn't change and there's a drum on red-tick and a clickable blue beat.

00:10:157 (1,2,3,4) - The music raises in pitch but with how you treat this spacing assumes the music is going "low-high-low" when in fact, it can gradually get higher in spacing altogether. The placement of the objects is also a bit dubious because there's no correlation between any of the circles - It's possible to make a square or parallelogram using (1,2) as the first side as a means to compile the sounds into one grouping, or space (4) to be higher than (3) because of how the music is being treated here.

00:11:318 (4,7,10) - While it may seem this was intentional, I'd reconsider NC'ing every 3rd beat. My reasoning is that every group of 3 circles has their own DS but when it goes down to (4) and later (7) and (10), they too have their own grouping of specific and lowered DS.

00:13:157 (1) - This NC is completely unnecessary and only adds complications to reading. The DS's are all equal between these three objects 00:13:060 (1,1,1) - so it doesn't give enough of a reason to NC each circle other than something artificial. It would also be wise to give 00:13:060 (1) - a whistle hitsound since it does belong to the grouping of NC's you had. In my recommendation, due to how the music is presenting itself, I would instead focus on trying to gradually space 00:12:770 (2,3,4,1,1,1) - these out because the music moves up the scale and in volume progressively than how you expressed it so suddenly.

00:14:028 (1) - Would it be possible to reposition this circle elsewhere? Currently there are two former weaker beats stacked on top of this same location and with the Finish sound provided, I think there would be enough reason to give this emphasis in a way that involves the player to engage at this moment. By stacking over the two previous objects, it diminishes any emphasis provided in the music and it falls flat very quickly.

00:14:996 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - Here is where I have some of my bigger concerns - the hitsounds. I want to believe that with all the piano involved, there are a plethora of ways to go about whistling any of this entire section but the way you hitsounded this part is incredibly inconsistent. Firstly, when you hitsound this circle 00:14:802 (5) - and this slider 00:15:576 (6) - it implies that every 1's and 3's would be a whistle but you didn't use a whistle on the first circle 00:14:028 (1) -
Then I have to ask myself, why is only the blue-tick circle having a whistle here 00:15:480 (5) - ? How come the red-tick circle can't have a whistle as well? They are part of the same grouping (4,5,6) but only two of them get the whistle sounds. You show it over here as well 00:16:931 (3,4,5) - it being part of the same grouping.
It might be possible to NC 00:15:576 (6) - because of how you paired (6,7) to be part of the same whistle group. A better solution in my opinion is to NC (6) and remove the whistle from (7) but keep the same whistle pattern as the first measure being 1's and 3's. So essentially 00:16:351 (5) - will have a whistle.
00:17:415 (6,7,8,9) - How come only two circles have whistles but not the rest? The music descends beat-by-beat naturally so I find it strange that only half of the beats get attention. The same can be said about 00:17:802 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - where (6) is another strong beat, but is the start of the pianos lowering in volume. You separated (6,1) when they actually belong in the same grouping.
00:19:157 (7,8,9,1) - This is a bit off because you group (8,9,1) being the strong whistles but (7) is just hanging around as part of the stream there when it has no attention like the rest.

00:19:447 (1,2,3,4) - How come there are only whistles on 1 and 4 when all four objects are the same strength in piano? If you don't want to hit whistles on all four, then rhythmically, you can whistle on 1 and 3 and that would make more sense than whistling 1 and 4. Also, because there are still beats on reds, I believe these would fit better as sliders (perhaps low SV) just so it can still hit the rhythms. Low SV sliders might help bring good spacing emphasis since they'll be treated more or less as held circles.

00:20:609 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Missing whistles on this half? I get that the volume is decreasing but you can add green lines to change the volumes with the whistles (every circle after 7 can go down in 5% for example). That would be a much stronger approach than ignoring half of the piano hitsounds.

00:23:609 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - I don't really know how to explain this but this looks like a reading problem. Either there's a lack of NC'ing somewhere to help distinguish the multiple rhythm snaps, or the stacking itself is placed in a way that is not intuitive to read at all. You do this well in other sections, probably because unlike the one I highlighted, they don't overlap as much on different snaps as part of the same combo.

00:35:705 (1) - Not a too big of a deal, but the rest of the diffs had this hitsounded as a whistle but you were the only one to use finish so... maybe whistle instead?

00:43:447 (1,2,3,4) - I never understood this and why there's so many snaps and rhythms being ignored here. The music is reaching a climax but you let go too early with these 1/8 drums that aren't actually snapped to 1/8 beats, it seems this was placed purely to add some sort of convoluted sense of contrast that is incredibly unfitting to what's happening in the song. It would be far more beneficial to the song to use the snaps the music provided (either 1/3s for piano or 1/4s for drums) and use some sliders or streams to help build the climax with the music instead of falling short with these incorrectly snapped 1/8 sliders.

00:54:875 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Not the worst thing here but it's the only inconsistent pattern in this section. It'll be more consistent to have the latter (1,2,3) imitate or copy/flip the former (1,2,3) as being a triangle.

01:01:420 (1) - Missing Finish hitsound on an obvious crash
01:03:602 (3) - ^

01:18:876 (1) - Your pattern/design suggests this circle would follow the previous combo as (7) but the NC makes it awkward to look at. From a rhythmic point of view, (1) doesn't really belong here because you'd be combining two separate measures together when (1) is unique apart from the rest, there's an obvious emphasis to it that it should begin elsewhere or have an increased spacing to accommodate.

01:21:466 (3) - Spacing is extremely low compared to everything else that's happened in this difficulty thus far and it's unnatural and awkward to play this especially when the song is having it's huge build-up moment before the kiai. I'd suggest placing this elsewhere, maybe overlapping on top of 01:20:511 (6) - to keep your structure.

01:26:102 (3) - Hitsound error

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - Clap spamming isn't suggested by the music here... I can understand the pattern as a means to show rising intensity but the music still holds claps on 2s and 4s. I don't know, this seems like a poor decision because it doesn't help follow what the song is suggesting. Continuing on, it might be wise to whistle 01:27:193 (1,2,3) - since there are strong pianos attached to them. You even have them grouped under their own combo so it makes sense to apply whistles here.

01:27:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Clap spamming might be suggested here, since the music is more pronounced and so are the instruments, but Finish spamming is a bit over the top lol (since this just suggests clap spamming as part of the music)

01:32:511 (3,4) - Should be repeat slider for consistency with 01:31:966 (1,2) - or it could be three 1/3 circles for the intonation in the song.

01:53:784 (1) - Obvious Finish is missed

[Pono]00:04:931 (1,2,3,4) - All of these should be whistles for the piano. Currently only (2) is whistle'd and it's an off-beat so... That's really strange.

00:48:330 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - One issue that I'm finding is that the strong sliders don't get the proper emphasis, but the weaker circles do. As in, the current structure is backwards with what is being properly emphasized. If the spacing would be something similar to

image 1

or like

image 2

then it would make a lot more sense with differentiating between the strong beats and the weak beats. Currently, the emphasis is really backwards and feels a bit awkward because of it.

00:52:420 (5,6,7) - Overmapped blue-tick circle and unnecessary kickslider. The music doesn't change from it's 1/2 stuff so, I don't understand why this is here.
01:44:783 (5,6,7) - ^

00:54:330 (4,5) - Kickslider is not needed, (5) is implied that it has more emphasis than (4) when it's actually weaker. The problem is that (4) is stacked over (3) and because of that, they are treated equally when (4) could be stronger - such as spaced further. Even if not spaced elsewhere, it's just that (5) is played much more strongly than (4) but (5) is a weaker beat.
01:46:693 (4) - ^

01:17:648 (3) - There's no blue-piano for the kickslider to be used here, seems slightly overmapped.

01:28:966 (3) - Missed emphasis. The stack makes the slider play too easy and flat, this can be positioned in a much better spot to capture the strength in the music here.

01:54:193 (1) - Not a good whistle (music goes 1,2,3 but you go 1,2,3,1 with the whistles). Probably a hitsounding error, could be easily fixed.
01:55:011 (1) - ^

[INFINITE]00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Whistle spam is not very good here because there are different volumes of pianos and messing with too many whistles makes everything feel the same strength when musically they're not. Just whistling the strong white beats would be sufficient.

00:19:447 (1,2) - Should be a kick slider for consistency with 00:19:641 (3,4,5) -. It doesn't make sense to have it extend by two extra circles. (compare to Pono)

00:41:899 (1) - Space higher for the finish could be nice.

00:43:447 (1,2,3,4) - Refer to what I mentioned to Goldenwolf on this same exact part. (At least these aren't 1/8 drums but the main idea still stands).

00:54:330 (8) - I don't think using 1/1 is wise here because there's a strong white tick at the slider-end that could be clicked. It becomes inconsistent with how you treated this 00:52:148 (8,9) -

01:02:648 (4) - It seems like you wanted to keep this repeat slider consistent with 01:01:830 (4) - but the main issue with the former slider is that the Finish hitsound (which is really strong btw) get's completely undermined because you can't click it. Maybe there's a better way to rework the rhythm so that you can click for the Finish. I would suggest changing 01:01:830 (4) - as a circle and 1/2 slider on white so that when you can repeat later, the white-tick slider can be emphasized properly for the finish sound.

01:18:057 (8) - NC for different snap. Also because the combo gets a bit too long for this.

01:22:148 (6,7,8,9) - All of these are finishes and it's strong in the music but the spacing is so incredibly low?? This should all be e m p h a s i z e d. It needs to be strong not weak, the music reached it's climax here.[/b]

01:26:784 (2) - Hitsound error with Finish, music suggests there's no finish here. I want to say these finishes were stylistic but it's a bit inaccurate to the music. I want to say they're just claps with a hi-hat but it's kind of hard to hear with all the instruments being drained together.
01:28:966 (2) - ^

01:36:330 (1) - Missing clap to be consistent with 01:37:420 (1) -

01:38:511 (1,2,3,4) - Lots of rhythms missed, it's so sudden too. It almost looks like something was forgotten to be placed while mapping.

01:50:648 (2) - Reverse slider misses the whistle sound which should be clickable. This section is also quite intense so it would make more sense to have things be more dense along with it too.

01:57:193 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Could have drum hitsounds to them. This feels really empty hitsounding-wise.

01:58:648 (3,4) - 1/6 double.. this might be problematic. I think it's okay in Pono's diff because it's much harder but for an easier Extra diff, deleting (3) and it should be okay to match the rhythm, or use a slider to hit both. The double will be hard to hit properly, it's almost as if you have to double tap to get both 300s.

Please take into consideration these problems before continuing to rank status, as this could potentially harm the mapset altogether.

Linada

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Linada 2018-02-14T03:51:10+00:00

Alheak wrote:
pls no more concerns thank

Ideal

Nomination Assessment Team

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Ideal 2018-02-14T03:56:08+00:00

few concerns with gowo's diff:

i dont have any i just want to be in the memes

GoldenWolf

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GoldenWolf 2018-02-14T04:41:11+00:00

fdsfd wrote:
[General (All difficulties)] It would be an improvement if the Ending Spinner can either gradually decrease in volume or ended with a ~5% mute. The music fades out and keeping the spinner-end to hit at 70% volume is unsettling. spinnerspin sound is irrelevant to gameplay and does not add anything meaningful

01:49:420 (1) - Missing Clap if the intent was to clap every 1s and 3s for this kiai. The music does provide a clap for the first beat of both phrases that's why. I think you need to listen more carefully as there is no snare sound there and generally you'll rarely find a snare sound that starts a section in a song

[Goldenwolf]00:09:770 (11) - This slider should still be on 1/2 to match the rest of the previous sliders. The music doesn't change and there's a drum on red-tick and a clickable blue beat. Because this pattern is about progression, and making the blue tick clickable would take away the emphasis from the next pattern

00:10:157 (1,2,3,4) - The music raises in pitch but with how you treat this spacing assumes the music is going "low-high-low" when in fact, it can gradually get higher in spacing altogether. The placement of the objects is also a bit dubious because there's no correlation between any of the circles - It's possible to make a square or parallelogram using (1,2) as the first side as a means to compile the sounds into one grouping, or space (4) to be higher than (3) because of how the music is being treated here. But I don't need to make everything a perfect geometrical shape, also if I wanted to make the pattern feel like low high low high I wouldn't have increased the spacing on the second part so your assumption is incorrect

00:11:318 (4,7,10) - While it may seem this was intentional, I'd reconsider NC'ing every 3rd beat. My reasoning is that every group of 3 circles has their own DS but when it goes down to (4) and later (7) and (10), they too have their own grouping of specific and lowered DS. But I've said numerous times I don't like NC spamming especially when it isn't necessary

00:13:157 (1) - This NC is completely unnecessary and only adds complications to reading. The DS's are all equal between these three objects 00:13:060 (1,1,1) - so it doesn't give enough of a reason to NC each circle other than something artificial. It would also be wise to give 00:13:060 (1) - a whistle hitsound since it does belong to the grouping of NC's you had. In my recommendation, due to how the music is presenting itself, I would instead focus on trying to gradually space 00:12:770 (2,3,4,1,1,1) - these out because the music moves up the scale and in volume progressively than how you expressed it so suddenly. so while I don't like NC spamming, if I do find a reason I like enough I don't really have a problem with it, here it's about how loud that note compared to the ones around, the last one is a chord so it gets its own nc too, spacing reflect all of that too (the first nc is to avoid an awkward lone blue tick nc)

00:14:028 (1) - Would it be possible to reposition this circle elsewhere? Currently there are two former weaker beats stacked on top of this same location and with the Finish sound provided, I think there would be enough reason to give this emphasis in a way that involves the player to engage at this moment. By stacking over the two previous objects, it diminishes any emphasis provided in the music and it falls flat very quickly. no because I find spacing away 1/1 gaps while the previous was a stack to be obnoxious and uncomfortable

00:14:996 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - Here is where I have some of my bigger concerns - the hitsounds. I want to believe that with all the piano involved, there are a plethora of ways to go about whistling any of this entire section but the way you hitsounded this part is incredibly inconsistent. Firstly, when you hitsound this circle 00:14:802 (5) - and this slider 00:15:576 (6) - it implies that every 1's and 3's would be a whistle but you didn't use a whistle on the first circle 00:14:028 (1) -
Then I have to ask myself, why is only the blue-tick circle having a whistle here 00:15:480 (5) - ? How come the red-tick circle can't have a whistle as well? They are part of the same grouping (4,5,6) but only two of them get the whistle sounds. You show it over here as well 00:16:931 (3,4,5) - it being part of the same grouping.
It might be possible to NC 00:15:576 (6) - because of how you paired (6,7) to be part of the same whistle group. A better solution in my opinion is to NC (6) and remove the whistle from (7) but keep the same whistle pattern as the first measure being 1's and 3's. So essentially 00:16:351 (5) - will have a whistle.
00:17:415 (6,7,8,9) - How come only two circles have whistles but not the rest? The music descends beat-by-beat naturally so I find it strange that only half of the beats get attention. The same can be said about 00:17:802 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - where (6) is another strong beat, but is the start of the pianos lowering in volume. You separated (6,1) when they actually belong in the same grouping.
00:19:157 (7,8,9,1) - This is a bit off because you group (8,9,1) being the strong whistles but (7) is just hanging around as part of the stream there when it has no attention like the rest. I feel like you're trying to make it way more complex than it is, really the whistle logic here is much simpler than that; emphasizing the high notes in each of the 3 groups, first one starting here 00:14:996 (1) - second starting here 00:16:738 (1) - and third starting here 00:19:447 (1) - , really the only one I'd understand arguing about would be 00:19:447 (1) - this one because in the third group it's quite a lower ptiches one,
but that's because rhythmically hitsounding as high low low high has a nice feedback, and since those are 1/2s it's preferable, while in the streams it has less importance so the emphasizing prime

00:19:447 (1,2,3,4) - How come there are only whistles on 1 and 4 when all four objects are the same strength in piano? If you don't want to hit whistles on all four, then rhythmically, you can whistle on 1 and 3 and that would make more sense than whistling 1 and 4. Also, because there are still beats on reds, I believe these would fit better as sliders (perhaps low SV) just so it can still hit the rhythms. Low SV sliders might help bring good spacing emphasis since they'll be treated more or less as held circles. ^see just above

00:20:609 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Missing whistles on this half? I get that the volume is decreasing but you can add green lines to change the volumes with the whistles (every circle after 7 can go down in 5% for example). That would be a much stronger approach than ignoring half of the piano hitsounds. Not missing any nope, also reducing the volume to reduce hitsounds additions is really obnoxious while playing especially when feedback is needed like here

00:23:609 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - I don't really know how to explain this but this looks like a reading problem. Either there's a lack of NC'ing somewhere to help distinguish the multiple rhythm snaps, or the stacking itself is placed in a way that is not intuitive to read at all. You do this well in other sections, probably because unlike the one I highlighted, they don't overlap as much on different snaps as part of the same combo. The whole thing is intentionnal as you probably noticed, this part is meant to be hard to read

00:35:705 (1) - Not a too big of a deal, but the rest of the diffs had this hitsounded as a whistle but you were the only one to use finish so... maybe whistle instead? Nein sir, this feels like a finish to me

00:43:447 (1,2,3,4) - I never understood this and why there's so many snaps and rhythms being ignored here. The music is reaching a climax but you let go too early with these 1/8 drums that aren't actually snapped to 1/8 beats, it seems this was placed purely to add some sort of convoluted sense of contrast that is incredibly unfitting to what's happening in the song. It would be far more beneficial to the song to use the snaps the music provided (either 1/3s for piano or 1/4s for drums) and use some sliders or streams to help build the climax with the music instead of falling short with these incorrectly snapped 1/8 sliders. Because it's already hard enough to read/interpret as it is, I don't need to map every single sound you can hear to make sense of what is happening. If you want to call it some fancy words I guess we can go for Selective Emphasis, as it matters more to map what represents that section rather than mapping everything you hear, there is a fine line to not be crossed here in fear of falling into the realm of absurdity.

00:54:875 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Not the worst thing here but it's the only inconsistent pattern in this section. It'll be more consistent to have the latter (1,2,3) imitate or copy/flip the former (1,2,3) as being a triangle. Yes it is a variation that breaks the consistency, it isn't random either as it happens on the last bit of that section, also when the song breask its pattern too

01:01:420 (1) - Missing Finish hitsound on an obvious crash it is a cymbal but they both feel too weak to warrant a finish especially when the patterning doesn't support it (and it doesn't bcs it's following the melody, not the drums)
01:03:602 (3) - ^

01:18:876 (1) - Your pattern/design suggests this circle would follow the previous combo as (7) but the NC makes it awkward to look at. From a rhythmic point of view, (1) doesn't really belong here because you'd be combining two separate measures together when (1) is unique apart from the rest, there's an obvious emphasis to it that it should begin elsewhere or have an increased spacing to accommodate. To me it makes perfect sense as it is well separated from the previous grouping, also it shouldn't be expected to go back on itself as the notes aren't repeating (which was the reason it did previously)

01:21:466 (3) - Spacing is extremely low compared to everything else that's happened in this difficulty thus far and it's unnatural and awkward to play this especially when the song is having it's huge build-up moment before the kiai. I'd suggest placing this elsewhere, maybe overlapping on top of 01:20:511 (6) - to keep your structure. dropoff + half stop, then builds back up is the logic here, which I find to be fitting

01:26:102 (3) - Hitsound error Additive hitsounding

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - Clap spamming isn't suggested by the music here... I can understand the pattern as a means to show rising intensity but the music still holds claps on 2s and 4s. I don't know, this seems like a poor decision because it doesn't help follow what the song is suggesting. Continuing on, it might be wise to whistle 01:27:193 (1,2,3) - since there are strong pianos attached to them. You even have them grouped under their own combo so it makes sense to apply whistles here. I think I've discussed this part more than enough already, if you haven't read about it yet I'd encourage you to do so. Tl;dr though; additive hitsounding

01:27:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Clap spamming might be suggested here, since the music is more pronounced and so are the instruments, but Finish spamming is a bit over the top lol (since this just suggests clap spamming as part of the music) see above ^

01:32:511 (3,4) - Should be repeat slider for consistency with 01:31:966 (1,2) - or it could be three 1/3 circles for the intonation in the song. Neither, it should be a slider leading into a circle then another repeat according to the song here, as the first 2 notes don't warrant circles, plus it helps spacing out and emphasizing the next repeat too

01:53:784 (1) - Obvious Finish is missed same reason as before, not following the drums but the melody and patterning (which follows the melody) doesn't support a finish here

overall I feel like you're both looking into things too hard and pressure your own interpretation too much, or missing the point and the intent behind it, not a bad mod per-se, but either missing the point and/or going against/not going towards the direction I want to go to

hope this cleared your concerns!

Foxy Grandpa

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Foxy Grandpa 2018-02-14T05:43:46+00:00

GoldenWolf wrote:
[Goldenwolf]
00:19:447 (1,2,3,4) - How come there are only whistles on 1 and 4 when all four objects are the same strength in piano? If you don't want to hit whistles on all four, then rhythmically, you can whistle on 1 and 3 and that would make more sense than whistling 1 and 4. Also, because there are still beats on reds, I believe these would fit better as sliders (perhaps low SV) just so it can still hit the rhythms. Low SV sliders might help bring good spacing emphasis since they'll be treated more or less as held circles. ^see just above Except those arent high low low high, these are all high pitch sounds that should be complimented with a whistle. While I see where you're coming from, a pattern like that doesn't work in this case because having whistles emphasizing the strong beats leading into a buildup should be necessary imo

00:20:609 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Missing whistles on this half? I get that the volume is decreasing but you can add green lines to change the volumes with the whistles (every circle after 7 can go down in 5% for example). That would be a much stronger approach than ignoring half of the piano hitsounds. Not missing any nope, also reducing the volume to reduce hitsounds additions is really obnoxious while playing especially when feedback is needed like here Don't see how reducing the volume of this stream would be obnoxious at all when the sounds its being mapped to decrease in volume too. There's still going to be feedback, but now you can include all the proper whistles while complimenting the music with the decrease in volume rather than simply ignoring half of them.

00:43:447 (1,2,3,4) - I never understood this and why there's so many snaps and rhythms being ignored here. The music is reaching a climax but you let go too early with these 1/8 drums that aren't actually snapped to 1/8 beats, it seems this was placed purely to add some sort of convoluted sense of contrast that is incredibly unfitting to what's happening in the song. It would be far more beneficial to the song to use the snaps the music provided (either 1/3s for piano or 1/4s for drums) and use some sliders or streams to help build the climax with the music instead of falling short with these incorrectly snapped 1/8 sliders. Because it's already hard enough to read/interpret as it is, I don't need to map every single sound you can hear to make sense of what is happening. If you want to call it some fancy words I guess we can go for Selective Emphasis, as it matters more to map what represents that section rather than mapping everything you hear, there is a fine line to not be crossed here in fear of falling into the realm of absurdity. Players at this level would be able to interpret this "complex" rhythm (if you could even call it that) easily. This is a lame excuse and the 1/8's aren't fitting to the song in any sense, if you're not going to change the rhythm in this section atleast silence the sliderends... They're completely unfitting and take away from the drums in the background you do want to emphasize

01:01:420 (1) - Missing Finish hitsound on an obvious crash it is a cymbal but they both feel too weak to warrant a finish especially when the patterning doesn't support it (and it doesn't bcs it's following the melody, not the drums)This is one of the highest points in the entire song??? Not having a finish here is just absurd, and having an entire section that spams finishes like 01:27:602 - where it barley comes close to matching the intensity is just absurd.
01:03:602 (3) - ^

01:26:102 (3) - Hitsound error Additive hitsounding Lol as if, you use the excuse that there isnt a strong enough sound for a finish on 01:01:420 (1) - but you throw in a random drum finish here?

01:26:239 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - Clap spamming isn't suggested by the music here... I can understand the pattern as a means to show rising intensity but the music still holds claps on 2s and 4s. I don't know, this seems like a poor decision because it doesn't help follow what the song is suggesting. Continuing on, it might be wise to whistle 01:27:193 (1,2,3) - since there are strong pianos attached to them. You even have them grouped under their own combo so it makes sense to apply whistles here. I think I've discussed this part more than enough already, if you haven't read about it yet I'd encourage you to do so. Tl;dr though; additive hitsounding While i agree that 01:26:784 (5,7) - sound fine with added claps, 01:26:511 (3) - does not. If you take away the clap sound on 3 it would give a better build up feel to the jump section that follows this instead of how it is now, which makes it feel like random snare drum spam.

01:27:602 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Clap spamming might be suggested here, since the music is more pronounced and so are the instruments, but Finish spamming is a bit over the top lol (since this just suggests clap spamming as part of the music) see above ^ Except in this case the additive hitsounding is just annoying and unneeded, finishes are generally used for emphasizing strong individual moments in the music and as it is now its incredibly annoying to have 80% volume finishes being spammed for a section.

01:53:784 (1) - Obvious Finish is missed same reason as before, not following the drums but the melody and patterning (which follows the melody) doesn't support a finish here Same counter point as above for this part, literally the largest climax in the song and you're just using inconsistent excuses at this point.

Hello

I have some concerns about the whistle placement in the very start as well

Your whistle placement from 00:02:028 - to 00:07:834 - feels entirely random, half of the time you're missing very important sounds and putting whistle on the off beats

00:02:028 (2,3,4,5,6) - What logic is behind the whistle being on an offbeat blue tick and not on any of the white tick sounds, it makes no sense and just sounds bad. Especially because you don't have a whistle sound on literally the first important piano sound but have one on an off tick rhythm
00:03:770 (1,2) - Same point as above with off tick whistle sounds
00:05:222 (3,4) - Swap whistle placements here, the important sound is on 00:05:318 - and not the blue tick before it
00:06:092 (1) - I see no reason for there to be a missing whistle here at all

I hope you take my points into actual consideration instead of brushing them off to avoid another dq.

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