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penoreri - Preserved Valkyria

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Lasse
Beatmap Nominator
3,596 posts
Joined June 2011
Lasse
my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160

hitsounding (for diffs that use the one from infinite or similar)
01:39:063 - would sound nice with a whistle
intro sounds pretty empty, could use some whistles similar to what was done on top diff
01:05:790 - similar for this part
01:22:699 - diffs have drum hitnormals here which sounds pretty weird
also volume settings are a bit weird, like this part being 80% which seems way too loud
map could also use more whistles overall I think

wolf
00:05:705 (1) - considered mapping this a sliderend? it's so much weaker than all the other clicks here
00:20:222 - how about making this orange instead or some other color not used for the intro? would be cute on the 1/6 imo
just like you did on 00:38:802 (1) -
01:01:154 (3,4) - the high pitch is starting from here already, so why not start the jumps here too?
01:03:608 - would also make sense to nc this similar to the three not patterns before
01:16:972 (7,1,2) - triggered http://i.imgur.com/t5m7eEr.jpg
01:37:086 - sounds like it would make more sense to start the stream from here for the piano, so maybe http://i.imgur.com/yCBHmEl.jpg ? also don't get why the stream is mapped so differently from 01:38:108 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - when both seem to follow something so similar
01:38:790 - soft whistle would be nice on this
01:58:699 - soft finish would sound better


pono
forgot colorhax
00:04:544 (3,1,2,3,4,1) - 1/4 gap is so sudden here and seems pretty overdone to introduce this, would be nice with way lower spacing on 00:04:544 (3,1) -
00:07:834 (1,2,3) - rhythm is lol, white ticks on 00:07:835 (1,3) - stand out so much in the song, 2 takes away a lot from that and making 00:08:415 - clickable also seems weird. doing something like http://i.imgur.com/Mi01bxG.jpg seems much more reasonable, same for following triples
00:15:382 (3) - stand out way more than 00:15:576 - piano wise, so your current 1/4 jump pattern seems really off
00:20:608 (1) - would make more sense to be in the same combo as 00:20:221 (1) - , nc seems pointless here
00:42:576 (5,1) - would space this a bit to make 1/6 - 1/4 change more clear
00:48:336 - this whoole part is prettsy weird since there is a clear repeating 3 note pattern playing in the song
look at what other diffs did here, that makes more sense
01:25:972 (1,2,3) - rhythms like this are tilt. 01:26:235 (3) - is two strong sounds but mapped as slider while , but 01:25:972 (1,2) - is mapped with jumps on barely audible things
01:27:199 (1,2,3) - no idea why these have to be kicksliders
01:36:745 (2,1,1,2,1,2) - why does this suddenly turn into such a centered mess of overlapped things? looks really out of place with the map


inf
00:09:189 (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - dont really understand triples on blue tick emphasis
00:20:222 - same colorhax suggestion as top diff


exh
fine


adv
not using any spaced active 1/2 gaps makes the gap to the next difficulty a bit too much imo


ayyreal
00:47:354 - 01:05:790 - where are the circles..
https://lasse.s-ul.eu/wSLDql3k.jpg
https://lasse.s-ul.eu/q/rUdVGopB.jpg
shouldn't be too hard to replace some sliders here
also makes parts like 00:57:063 (1,2,3,4,5) - be more intense to play than the intense chorus which is lol


:b:
00:06:092 (3,4,1) - will really throw off new players with how 3 leads into 1

exhaust - advanced gap seems really huge
gravity has some really questionable things, mainly rhythm/patterning as stated above
PoNo
504 posts
Joined July 2014
PoNo

Lasse wrote:

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160
pono
forgot colorhax
00:07:834 (1,2,3) - rhythm is lol, white ticks on 00:07:835 (1,3) - stand out so much in the song, 2 takes away a lot from that and making 00:08:415 - clickable Why rhythm is lol ? I simply follow the 3 sounds I hear, also why put a 1/2 slider there, this looks so undermapped and empty imo,
your idea is good but I prefer mine for that one.
01:27:199 (1,2,3) - no idea why these have to be kicksliders I've just tried that and this looks way much emphasising the part, but thats can be just my opinion, I'll change it if ppl really want to.
Thanks for the mod !
fix
osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Preserved Valkyria
Artist:penoreri
ArtistUnicode:ぺのれり
Creator:Alheak
Version:PONO'S GRAVITY
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
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Realazy
Elite Mapper
1,004 posts
Joined June 2011
Realazy
added some circles and some break time in the parts mentioned, thanks
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Lasse wrote:

wolf
00:05:705 (1) - considered mapping this a sliderend? it's so much weaker than all the other clicks here I did, didn't fit the sound at all so scraped it
00:20:222 - how about making this orange instead or some other color not used for the intro? would be cute on the 1/6 imo
just like you did on 00:38:802 (1) - I will kill alheak because he STILL HASN'T UPLOADED MY DIFF WITH THE CHANGES BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY ORANGE AAAAAAAAAAAAA
01:01:154 (3,4) - the high pitch is starting from here already, so why not start the jumps here too? Because it isn't in the same phrase of the song. 01:00:881 (1,2,3,4) - is a group of 2x2 notes, first one higher pitched than the second one, while the jump after is on groups of 3 notes all being the same pitch.
01:03:608 - would also make sense to nc this similar to the three not patterns before Combo would be way too short, and short combo aren't cute
01:16:972 (7,1,2) - triggered http://i.imgur.com/t5m7eEr.jpg I'll kill alheak again BECAUSE THE WHOLE PATTERN HAS CHANGED SINCE
01:37:086 - sounds like it would make more sense to start the stream from here for the piano, so maybe http://i.imgur.com/yCBHmEl.jpg ? also don't get why the stream is mapped so differently from 01:38:108 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - when both seem to follow something so similar For the first stream, the piano even starts on the second slider, notes are just so low pitched it's barely audible, so I started the stream where the notes are starting to be audible at 01:36:949 (3) - here, and as for the other one, it's much higher pitched and has more variations in how it's played, so even though they kinda sound similar they're different enough that I mapped them differently
01:38:790 - soft whistle would be nice on this sounds cute
01:58:699 - soft finish would sound better indeed
thanks for your cute mod

alhEAK PLEASE UPDATE MY DIFF GODDAMNIT thank you
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Topic Starter
Alheak

Lasse wrote:

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/654160

hitsounding (for diffs that use the one from infinite or similar)
added more whistles with kurai's mod, jsut didn't upload xd
lowered volume as well

inf
00:09:189 (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - dont really understand triples on blue tick emphasis changed this part
00:20:222 - same colorhax suggestion as top diff ya


exh
fine


adv
not using any spaced active 1/2 gaps makes the gap to the next difficulty a bit too much imo went over the spread with kurai and it seems just fine, there are 1/2 spaced gaps in the 155bpm which should be enough to introduce them while keeping the diff very playable for slower players
the gap is mostly due to the changes in bpm which makes it difficult to add too many circles in the 220bpm parts in ADV


:b:
00:06:092 (3,4,1) - will really throw off new players with how 3 leads into 1 changed
thank you!
PoNo
504 posts
Joined July 2014
PoNo

Kurai wrote:

Bon je vais pas m'attarder sur les détails car y'a un peu trop de difficultés, je vais juste mentionner les trucs que je trouve importants.

[PONO'S GRAVITY]
  1. 00:15:576 (1,2,3) - Pourquoi ces notes vont vers le haut alors que le piano va vers l'octave plus bas ? Le pattern aurait plus d'impact si il suivait visuellement les changement d'intensité musicale surtout quand tu as 00:17:125 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) - qui représente parfaitement ces changements.Car c'était pas dans mon but de suivre le piano en terme d'orientation de shapes
  2. 00:19:447 (1,2,1,2) - Si on suit encore cette logique, ces sliders devraient plus pointer vers le heut de l'écran plutôt que vers le bas. Même réponse qu'au dessus
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Pense-bête pour que j'aille demander des testplays sur les deux dernières difficultés.
Kurai
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Kurai wrote:

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Version:PONO'S GRAVITY
Source:SOUND VOLTEX III GRAVITY WARS
Tags:konami sdvx 3 kac Song Contest Champion GoldenWolf Ponoyoshi Ayyri Realazy
BeatmapID:1017559
BeatmapSetID:433002

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4.5
OverallDifficulty:10
ApproachRate:9.7
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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320,93,110926,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Kurai
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Kurai
boop
AncuL
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AncuL
is it that one time goldenwolf doesn't make demetori maps
Alheak
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Alheak
yes but he's not the host so it wont ruin his demetori ranked maps combo
AncuL
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AncuL
[Wolf's Valkryia]
01:26:517 (3,7) - tbh i wouldn't use the clap hitsounds on these two notes because i got confused with the more "epic" part which is on 01:27:608 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - . they both sound the same while the more epic section needs to be emphasized
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
but the jumpier part has FINISHES EVER OTHER NOTE while the less jumpy one doesn't
AncuL
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AncuL
But the main "feature" that makes the epic part stand the most is the clap and not the finishes (imo)
plus, this might be based on my mania hitsounding knowledge but the claps on the buildup doesn't fit the music while the epic part does

and because you told me about it, i just realized that the other notes actually have finishes and the hitsound on my skin is so inaudible. so i tried using default skin and i wouldn't say i like it. but it's just preference
Nao Tomori
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change gowo's diffname to something better using the song name is terrible
Alheak
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Alheak
ok

changed to "maximum"

wait thats what it was supposed to be

welp
Nao Tomori
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Nao Tomori
m4m btw.

[gOwO]
00:05:125 - uh did u accidentally delete a note
the 5 notes sounds rly clear,,,

00:13:157 (1,2) - wudnt it B better to Nc 2 insted cuz Emphasis.

00:51:608 - wud b cool 2 do something different here czu theres a Bell. like dis: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9510031

01:07:154 (2,3,4,1) - can u Make this into a Hexagon in sted cuz Rn it looks Kinda Weird

01:17:449 - Add a Circle her imo


01:27:608 - the Finish Spam Here sounds Very Bad to me. I think Claps would make more sense. Finish just sounds rly Outo f Place.

01:49:426 (1) - Add Clap.

01:58:154 (1,2) - Very Sad to see this simplified Tbh.

[pono]
00:39:576 (1) - This Slider Looks Ver y Ugly. try and make the first part look more evenly Curved.

00:48:336 (1,2) - i dont think the rhythm here is good, the first 2 notes sound much stronger than the 3rd one in each pattern lol. i think ctrl g works better.

note this is mostly cuz u put whistles on slider ends so if u move the whistles itd Also b Better.

01:01:426 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - R u Fort.

01:13:972 (1,2) - Overmapped Slider ends dont rly work here imo. since u used circles on all the other ones. so Circles R better i think.

01:17:449 - Triple ?

01:24:199 - Bro this slider end is Really Really Strong. circle + 1/1 slider works better here considering that.

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ctrlg works way better with the melody, atm u hav a slider end on a melody note and click on basically nothing with 2.

01:37:426 (1,2) - Theres Nothing on the Red tick at all. ctrl g works a lot better with the hitsounding and the song.

01:58:608 - Tbh a 1/6 triple at the end would b really funny.. but ignoring this completely is Kinda Lame.

[infinite]
00:05:125 - Y did U also ignore this Very Obvious Piano Note D=

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Nc These the Same Way Pleaase.

01:17:449 - Why Did U ignore this 1 2.
y did u all ignore it holy

01:26:108 (3) - i feel like putting this on the white tick makes way mor sense cuz theres nothing on the red tick. like i get the effect ur Going for but i dont think it works that well. or u can make 2 a slider as well.

01:45:063 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - NC Consistency Please.

01:53:790 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Same.

just nc on where 5 is for all of those intead and its better yea
[exh]
00:27:092 (6,7) - Making these clickable would b cooler imo.

same of the earlier 1s

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - look u did it right here good joB!

01:22:154 - i dont think this works well cuz the end of 6, all of 7 and 8 are grouped in the song differently from the previous phrase.,,

solid diff
[]
didu forget to upload ur light insane or something lol. u need something in between advanced and exhaust. this is the pop reason

low diffs look fine but yea get something around 3.8 - 4.0 sr and then i can nominate
Alheak
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Alheak

Naotoshi wrote:

m4m btw.

[infinite]
00:05:125 - Y did U also ignore this Very Obvious Piano Note D= all i can hear is a ghost note but clearly not as important as the others here

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Nc These the Same Way Pleaase. ok

01:17:449 - Why Did U ignore this 1 2. same reason, barely audible and would kinda ruin the rhythmical consistency of this part
y did u all ignore it holy

01:26:108 (3) - i feel like putting this on the white tick makes way mor sense cuz theres nothing on the red tick. like i get the effect ur Going for but i dont think it works that well. or u can make 2 a slider as well. changed in another way

01:45:063 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - NC Consistency Please. ya

01:53:790 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Same.

just nc on where 5 is for all of those intead and its better yea
[exh]
00:27:092 (6,7) - Making these clickable would b cooler imo. gotta have the training wheels for this diff

same of the earlier 1s

01:01:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - look u did it right here good joB!

01:22:154 - i dont think this works well cuz the end of 6, all of 7 and 8 are grouped in the song differently from the previous phrase.,, maybe better now

solid diff
[]
didu forget to upload ur light insane or something lol. u need something in between advanced and exhaust. this is the pop reason

low diffs look fine but yea get something around 3.8 - 4.0 sr and then i can nominate
spread is fine, dont be spooked by numbers



thanks but please stop visnisx speech i couldn't understand half of what the fuck you were talking about
GoldenWolf
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Naotoshi wrote:

m4m btw.

[gOwO]
00:05:125 - uh did u accidentally delete a note
the 5 notes sounds rly clear,,, wtf nao it's very clear I map the doubles here and not the very faint note in the middle of it

00:13:157 (1,2) - wudnt it B better to Nc 2 insted cuz Emphasis. sure

00:51:608 - wud b cool 2 do something different here czu theres a Bell. like dis: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9510031 meh, that would break the flow and patterning going on for a not-so-noticeable bell, wasn't even the focus here even so

01:07:154 (2,3,4,1) - can u Make this into a Hexagon in sted cuz Rn it looks Kinda Weird fixed

01:17:449 - Add a Circle her imo wtf nao again? it's so faint it's barely audible


01:27:608 - the Finish Spam Here sounds Very Bad to me. I think Claps would make more sense. Finish just sounds rly Outo f Place. i already explained why the finish density is what it is here in a previous mod

01:49:426 (1) - Add Clap. no because 1) there isn't a snare here and 2) because I can't use the normal finish and the custom snare at the same time because of how the hitsounds are set up and if we fix that we break other things

01:58:154 (1,2) - Very Sad to see this simplified Tbh. wtf do you mean here it's always been like this?

pls stop writing like that you're tilting me
Naxess
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Naxess
Going from common repeats 00:06:286 (1,2) - 00:12:673 (2) - 00:14:996 (4,5) - 00:16:738 (4) - 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4) - and with barely anything even close to a triple 00:17:415 (2) - 00:19:254 (2,3,4) - 01:03:881 (2,3,4,5) - 01:32:972 (4) - in Advanced into all out 5+ note streams at common intervals 00:16:351 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 00:06:383 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:12:770 (2,3,4,5,6) - 00:17:802 (4,5,6,7,8) - and frequent doubles 00:08:125 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - in Exhaust is not really a good idea in regards to spread. Especially not when Advanced is just following the time-distance principle and Exhaust is completely breaking that with large variations in spacing, such as jumps and anti-jumps, 00:01:254 (1,1) - 00:22:544 (3,4,5) - 00:28:447 (3,4) - 00:57:063 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - , especially at places like 00:57:063 - . Honestly the gap here is so large I doubt even a single difficulty would fill the gap properly. Just compare things like 01:41:108 - in the two.

Would recommend bridging Advanced and Exhaust with something that introduces some light variation in spacing, along with more common triples to find a middle-ground in that and as a stepping stone to the longer streams of exhaust. Maybe try varying using doubles and repeats for things like 00:48:336 (1,2,3,4) - 01:41:108 (2,3) - in such a difficulty as well.
PoNo
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PoNo

Naotoshi wrote:

m4m btw.
[pono]
00:39:576 (1) - This Slider Looks Ver y Ugly. try and make the first part look more evenly Curved. Changed, but I'm not totally agreed with that kind of arguments because this looks more like "yeah your slider is too uncommon, fix it to something more common and lose the créativity/originality of a beatmap. Also I change it cause I don't like the shape too.

00:48:336 (1,2) - i dont think the rhythm here is good, the first 2 notes sound much stronger than the 3rd one in each pattern lol. i think ctrl g works better. I've changed this rhythm over 2 times now, and by the way the only "right" rhythm in that part would be to put only 1/2 circles cause the song sounds like that, and I feel a bit bored to change for every BNs the rhythm cause it looks fine and consistent to me.

note this is mostly cuz u put whistles on slider ends so if u move the whistles itd Also b Better. Yeah feels better !

01:01:426 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - R u Fort. No im Castle

01:13:972 (1,2) - Overmapped Slider ends dont rly work here imo. since u used circles on all the other ones. so Circles R better i think. I put sliders here to introduce the next coming piano sounds you can hear in that part 01:14:517 (1) - like theres 1 more piano sound compared to the begin of the slow part, so for me its looks better to have 1 more movement to feel it.

01:17:449 - Triple ? Tried something idk

01:24:199 - Bro this slider end is Really Really Strong. circle + 1/1 slider works better here considering that. oke

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ctrlg works way better with the melody, atm u hav a slider end on a melody note and click on basically nothing with 2. I don't really want to change the consistency with 01:25:426 (1,2,3) - and 01:26:517 (1,2,3) - , looks easier to play for the player on that kind of song.

01:37:426 (1,2) - Theres Nothing on the Red tick at all. ctrl g works a lot better with the hitsounding and the song. There is the same song than 01:37:426 (1) - repeated a second time not totally audible but theres one.

01:58:608 - Tbh a 1/6 triple at the end would b really funny.. but ignoring this completely is Kinda Lame. Fixed
Nao Tomori
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Nao Tomori
[general]
all instances of 01:58:426 (2) - being a slider before the last note need to be snapped on 1/3, like aat 01:58:608 - . 1/4 snap is wrong.
[hyper]
density looks ok

01:19:699 (2,3) - looks misleading as 1/1 spacing, try and make it more spaced out. looks like 1/2 rn

01:26:245 (3,4) - this just looks kinda weird imo.. i think overlapping looks better than putting the circle in the middle of the slider border completely lol

[gowo]
00:13:157 (1,1,2) - no i meant to ONLY nc 2 not to have 2 ncs..
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9526005

01:27:608 (1) - i saw your explanation but i still think spamming a ton of offbeat cymbals sounds absoltely terrible. at the very most, a finish on 1, 5, maybe 8 and 9+10 is fine. the rest just sound ridiculously out of place.

01:49:426 (1) - i'm aware that there isn't a snare there, which is why i am saying to add one in using a hitsound. it sounds a lot better to have the entire section till 01:55:972 - have claps on each downbeat rather than all of them minus the first thing.

01:58:154 (1,2) - i mean to make them all circles .

[pono]
00:48:336 (1,2) - sounds a lot better with fixed whistles, yea.

01:25:972 (1,2,3) - ya but you're mapping like a 6.5 star extra i dont think you need to make it easier for the player. following the song more closely is nicer~

01:37:426 (1,2) - ok but it sounds weird cuz u have 1/1 clap and nothing on the red tick lol. thats why i suggest ctrl g, or add hitsound support on your red tick.

u can get kurai to rebub and i qf when u fix/ respond
Alheak
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Alheak
all fixed for me, thanks again
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

Naotoshi wrote:

[gowo]
00:13:157 (1,1,2) - no i meant to ONLY nc 2 not to have 2 ncs.. well maybe if you didn't write the way you did I would have understood it, anyway I actually like it with 2 NCs more here

01:27:608 (1) - i saw your explanation but i still think spamming a ton of offbeat cymbals sounds absoltely terrible. at the very most, a finish on 1, 5, maybe 8 and 9+10 is fine. the rest just sound ridiculously out of place. see below v

01:49:426 (1) - i'm aware that there isn't a snare there, which is why i am saying to add one in using a hitsound. it sounds a lot better to have the entire section till 01:55:972 - have claps on each downbeat rather than all of them minus the first thing. musically speaking you rarely ever have a snare + cymbal to open the section of a song, it's most often kick+cymbal (as in, 99.9%+ of cases) because it sounds awkward, so why are you telling me to do this after asking me to remove finishes on the largest jumps when they're used in a progression? if you're going by "this sounds bad/better" I don't think I can see the point of making totally subjective changes that would ruin the buildup I'm going for, sorry

01:58:154 (1,2) - i mean to make them all circles . I think that would play terribly bad here, especially after a long section of 1/2s at 220bpm
PoNo
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PoNo
Fixed everything !
Kurai
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Kurai
bop
Nozhomi
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Nozhomi
Just before you go :

[woof :]
  1. 00:11:705 (7,8,9) - Can you do equal spacing ?
  2. 00:20:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Would do all of them with a spacing of 0.75x to clearly show than they are 1/6.
  3. 00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Unstack them a bit to make them a bit readable, because right now it's just messy to read even with that AR.
  4. 00:43:383 (2,1) - Would unstack a bit to make the slider more present visually.

Mukyu~
GoldenWolf
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Nozhomi wrote:

Just before you go :

[woof :]
  1. 00:11:705 (7,8,9) - Can you do equal spacing ? why the fuck is it broken to begin with ALHEAK BORDEL
  2. 00:20:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Would do all of them with a spacing of 0.75x to clearly show than they are 1/6. it's already clearly shown they're 1/6s through much closer spacing than before and different combo coloring
  3. 00:23:996 (6,7,8,9) - Unstack them a bit to make them a bit readable, because right now it's just messy to read even with that AR. that's the whole point though
  4. 00:43:383 (2,1) - Would unstack a bit to make the slider more present visually. I guess

Mukyu~
woof
Nao Tomori
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bubbled!
Voli
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Voli
gowo diff
  1. sorry but those offbeat finishes at 01:27:608 (1) - do sound really bad musically speaking, why do you force offbeats to be stronger than downbeats even though the music itself doesn't indicate this? im confused why nao qualified this anyways after he pointed this out. Defending it with subjectivity is a very weak argument here because you can't just put something in even though the music goes against it completely, that isn't a subjective thing.
  2. also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc.
might be wise to go over this again tbh
mithew
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mithew
some things i noticed while playing

goldenwolf
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - relative to the rest of this intro section, this bit is overdone imo. the blue ticks make it very easy to miss slider ends, forcing the player to awkwardly aim very quickly to avoid doing so, and while you can argue that the music does support this, it doesn't feel as justified since the rest of this section is dramatically easy compared to this (excluding anything after 00:23:318)

00:42:286 (1,2) - this stands out way more than it should because of how awkward this rhythm is compared to the rest of the map. the music doesn't really support a technical, weird to read/play pattern, that can easily be replaced with something like this

00:48:336 this section is so stamina draining for what the song really says lol. its just really odd to have your stamina drained, along with awkward flow, during a build up, while having a more relaxed rhythm choice (and a more comfortable flow), when the song intensifies 00:57:063 . not only that but its also weird how 00:50:108 (2,1) - is more spaced than 00:52:290 (2,1) - when the latter is more intense

01:26:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i really can't tell why these are jumps and why 01:27:199 (8) - isn't. it'd make much more sense to have that repeat slider as smaller jumps that build up into the bigger ones instead.

01:28:563 (8) - i think you should remove the clap on this slider end to fix your offbeat finish hitsounds, removing it fixes the problem imo

01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what you're mapping here is barely audible and doesn't really do the music justice tbh, sliders would feel more fitting

01:30:063 i feel like this deserves to be clickable

01:49:426 honestly it seems like you tried really hard to avoid being the generic pp mapper here, despite it being fully justifiable to make this the hardest part of the map, as it is the climax of the song. the overuse of sliders make it really underwhelming and not as impactful as it should be... and to be honest its much easier to play compared to awkward flow sections such as 01:41:517 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - despite the song being dramatically calmer. doesn't really make sense
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MariahCarey wrote:

gowo diff
  1. sorry but those offbeat finishes at 01:27:608 (1) - do sound really bad musically speaking, why do you force offbeats to be stronger than downbeats even though the music itself doesn't indicate this? im confused why nao qualified this anyways after he pointed this out. Defending it with subjectivity is a very weak argument here because you can't just put something in even though the music goes against it completely, that isn't a subjective thing. fine I'll move them onto the white ticks then
  2. also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc. Yes I am aware that 01:29:245 (1) - this stream is overmapped, it's an addition I made that I saw fit, the spacing and hitsounding seems to fit well enough into the song, so I added it. For the next triple since it's inconsistent with how I mapped it afterward I'll change to an actual triple. And lastly 01:36:949 (3) - isn't overmapped actually, the piano is there, albeit rather faint.
might be wise to go over this again tbh
thanks for your input
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mithew wrote:

some things i noticed while playing

goldenwolf
00:07:834 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - relative to the rest of this intro section, this bit is overdone imo. the blue ticks make it very easy to miss slider ends, forcing the player to awkwardly aim very quickly to avoid doing so, and while you can argue that the music does support this, it doesn't feel as justified since the rest of this section is dramatically easy compared to this (excluding anything after 00:23:318) alright remapped this part a bit, tell me what you think of it now (it should flow better)

00:42:286 (1,2) - this stands out way more than it should because of how awkward this rhythm is compared to the rest of the map. the music doesn't really support a technical, weird to read/play pattern, that can easily be replaced with something like this sure

00:48:336 this section is so stamina draining for what the song really says lol. its just really odd to have your stamina drained, along with awkward flow, during a build up, while having a more relaxed rhythm choice (and a more comfortable flow), when the song intensifies 00:57:063 . not only that but its also weird how 00:50:108 (2,1) - is more spaced than 00:52:290 (2,1) - when the latter is more intense yes I did fix the spacing issues during the buildup, that should ease the stamina draining part a bit, though the main choice of having the buildup as more closely spaced circles and the next part as much more spaced patterns will remain, as the sliders fit much better in the next part with the synth violin thingy, while the first one doesn't really fit for sliders

01:26:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i really can't tell why these are jumps and why 01:27:199 (8) - isn't. it'd make much more sense to have that repeat slider as smaller jumps that build up into the bigger ones instead. Actually I'll just remake the whole pattern because it sucks anyway lul

01:28:563 (8) - i think you should remove the clap on this slider end to fix your offbeat finish hitsounds, removing it fixes the problem imo changed stuff from the previous mod

01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what you're mapping here is barely audible and doesn't really do the music justice tbh, sliders would feel more fitting may be a stupid argument but to me sliders would feel so anti climatic, this part honestly feels empty in the song, especially I added a stream because I saw it fit with some hitsounding, so yeah

01:30:063 i feel like this deserves to be clickable kind of, but I like the resting time it gives more :p

01:49:426 honestly it seems like you tried really hard to avoid being the generic pp mapper here, despite it being fully justifiable to make this the hardest part of the map, as it is the climax of the song. the overuse of sliders make it really underwhelming and not as impactful as it should be... and to be honest its much easier to play compared to awkward flow sections such as 01:41:517 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - despite the song being dramatically calmer. doesn't really make sense Same reason as last time, it's not about pp here, but about if sliders fit better in the first or second part. Again I nerfed the first one spacing wise to ease the stamina draining part a bit
thanks a lot for your mod
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GoldenWolf wrote:

MariahCarey wrote:

gowo diff

  2. also there are overmapped streams in the kiai .. for example 01:29:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this doesn't exist in the music, nor is it representative at all for what's going on right here, 01:30:472 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overmapped too (since the piano indicates it should be just a triple), 01:36:949 (3,4) - (these notes don't have the piano sounds) etc. Yes I am aware that 01:29:245 (1) - this stream is overmapped, it's an addition I made that I saw fit, the spacing and hitsounding seems to fit well enough into the song, so I added it. For the next triple since it's inconsistent with how I mapped it afterward I'll change to an actual triple. And lastly 01:36:949 (3) - isn't overmapped actually, the piano is there, albeit rather faint.
might be wise to go over this again tbh
thanks for your input
But it's still overmapped? I believe that we'll be better off to fix this before it goes back to the bubbled state. You're not here to recompose the song, you're here to map the song! Whatever is in the song will fit it best. I'm popping it for that reason.
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