1. Lower difficulties Rules / Guidelines

RC wrote:

Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.

Okoratu wrote:

This is the current status of debate after they reached a deadlock. They wanted to allow semi-dumps but couldnt come up with criteria for them

idk what any of this means i just remember reading it so i think it's relevant

Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.

Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.

Shield: A note which appears shortly after a long-note.

Okoratu wrote:

Glossary
Inverse: A type of pattern that replaces all regular notes with long notes in a given section. Rather, it is a pattern where blank space in the music is filled with long notes, which have to be released momentarily at the time where you would normally press a regular note.

Trill: FourTwo or more notes that alternate within two columns.

Okoratu wrote:

General Guidelines
Avoid using storyboard sampled hitsounds with similar volume to hitsounds on notes. As storyboarded hitsounds can overwhelm and distort audio feedback from objects in the map, reduced volume should be used in identical samples as hitsounds on objects.
It should mention an exception for keysounded maps, in which the samples are part of the music. Lower difficulties have them as storyboard samples, while higher difficulties have them as hitsounds.

Okoratu wrote:

Beginner Rules

1. Slider velocity changes that alter the scrolling speed of the map are disallowed. An exception to this rule would be creating slider velocity changes to unify the scroll speed in BPM-variable maps. Scroll normalization is mandatory and must be done in maps with variable BPM.
   To simplify the logic of the ruleset, the last sentence should be made a separate rule before this one, and then the title of this rule should be changed to "Slider velocity changes that do not normalize the scroll speed of the map are disallowed". Same with the rules in Easy since they are the same
   
2. Long notes across all columns must have a minimum spacing of 2/1 beats. Long notes are generally difficult for beginners, and as such should only be used sparingly.
   This rule is redundant. since it is not possible to place a LN less than 2/1 beats apart from each other by following the previous rules. Unless you intend to mean that the spacing between LNs should be counted from the release of the first LN, to the start of the second LN (instead of from start of the first to the start of the second one). In that case, I think you should add an exception if the first LN is 4/1 or longer, to keep allowing one of the most common beginner patterns.

Beginner Guidelines
Chords should be placed in a way that the player hits it with only one hand. That way, the player would require less hand coordination and would make the pattern easier to play.
Chords that require the player to hit several notes with the same hand require more coordination than chords where the player mirrors what he is doing with each hand, for the same total amount of notes. I think the guideline should be doing chords of up to 4 notes with hands mirroring each other, or chords of 2 notes with one hand

Hard, Insane and Expert Guidelines

I think, in general, the difference between a "Long term" and "Short term" SV change should be more explicitly defined. The guidelines currently allow long term SV increases of up to x1.1, which is still a significant increase that affects readability; Long-term SVs above x1.0 should be discouraged in the guidelines.

Full Tablet wrote:

Trill: FourTwo or more notes that alternate within two columns.

Beginner wrote:

Chords should be placed in a way that the player hits it with only one hand. That way, the player would require less hand coordination and would make the pattern easier to play.

Beginner Guidelines wrote:

Chords should be placed in a way that the player hits it with only one hand. That way, the player would require less hand coordination and would make the pattern easier to play.

Hard Rules wrote:

Do not place any chords in the middle of streams.

Hard Guidelines wrote:

Mini-jack usage is discouraged, especially on higher BPM. These can be too physically demanding for players of this level.

Okoratu wrote:

This is the current status of debate after they reached a deadlock. They wanted to allow semi-dumps but couldnt come up with criteria for them

idk what any of this means i just remember reading it so i think it's relevant

Different key amounts within a mapset must be treated as different gamemodes and require a respective independent difficulty spread. Therefore each key amount must have an independent difficulty spread. For example if you want to add a 7K difficulty to your set, you must design a whole 7K spread. If you want to add an additional 4K difficulty to your set, you must also design a whole 4K spread.

You can't use uninherited timing sections when there is no actual BPM changes. In other words, you can't use uninherited timing sections slowly to change the scrolling speed. Use inherited timing sections and SV changes instead.

Only use breaks when they are necessary, for example an absolute silent period within the song.

You should use at least two different key amounts for your set. It is suggested to make your set more accessible to a wider audience.

Different key amounts within a mapset should have a similiar difficulty spread. This is to keep parity between different key amounts and satisfy different key amount players.

Do not place any chords in the middle of streams.

Inverse patterns must not be used. They are a very advanced type of pattern and that they require a lot of coordination to properly execute it.

1. "Refer to this thread for alternative difficulty naming methods."
   - use https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Ranking_Cr ... lty_Naming
   you can even edit that wiki entry as needed

1. Teleport is really unclear, I have no idea what it means from this
   
2. Long note - Maybe change the definition to make it clear that it's not the same object as a normal note, imo saying it's the equivalent of a slider would make it easier to understand.
   
3. Brackets - Wait so are these chords 13, 24, 13 or 23, 14, 23. Also, "performing it correctly" doesn't exactly sound nice, just remove correctly
   
4. iirc shields can also be before an LN?
   
5. Jumptrill definition also encompasses split jumptrill, maybe make it clearer it's 12, 34, 12
   
6. Hands should probably be next to jumps since they're essentially the same thing, handtrills also apply to 6k, so better to group stuff.
   
7. For Roll, "last to the first column" can just be replaced with "vice versa" for simplicity

1. why isn't 10k supported, just asking since it's 100% viable for one person to play.
   
2. "while replicating the sound behaviour in a visually appealing way"
   Why does it have to be visually appealing? Making your map look pretty should not be a rule, there are valid circumstances where looking ugly follows the song better
   
3. "Take caution as chart readability gets heavily affected"
   Remove the word chart, it's the only time it's used. Also, add chart to the common terms
   
4. "Add the style of your beatmap into their tags"
   wat
   why

1. "Long notes at the same column" -> "Long notes in the same column"
   - Was unclear what this was asking, in general, replacing "at" with "in" would make more sense
   
2. "to ensure that new players have a good experience of clearing the songs they like."
   - this is kinda weird to read, just have "so new players can enjoy clearing the songs they like" or something simpler
   
3. "Scroll normalization is mandatory and must be done in maps with variable BPM"
   - Variable bpm =/= Multi-bpm
   - variable bpm is stuff with like, 100 red lines. "Multi-bpm" describes a song with a timing change. This needs to be changed to encompass multi bpm

1. HP and OD values should not be higher than 8 to give players get a good experience of clearing songs they like.
   - At this point players are no longer new, they can still clear songs they like on normal difficulty so I don't understand why the second half of the sentence is there.
   
2. Do not place any chords in the middle of streams
   - This rule is really dumb, just saying. 1/3 streams with chords are acceptable, especially with lower bpm. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/682665
   Making this a rule creates extreme limitations on mapping for lower bpm and 1/3 songs. This needs to be moved to guidelines, or be bpm dependant similar to how the ctb ranking criteria works for hyperdash snaps, or just be removed completely..
   
3. Long notes should not be shorter than 1/4 in length.
   - Again, extremely bpm dependant, see the map I linked before at the start of the chart. 1/6 snapped LNs like this are easy due to the low density at the time.

1. Long notes that are into more jazz rhythm should usually have 1/3 or 1/6 releases
   - the term is "swing beat", but that's not even needed. Just say that releases should match the song's rhythm snap
   
   also, why is it not a guideline on insane

Sinnoh wrote:

General

1. "Add the style of your beatmap into their tags"
   wat
   why

Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.

Beginner difficulties are for players who have absolutely no experience in this game mode whatsoever. This would be recommended for them so they have a starting grasp of playing the game mode and to get themselves used to which key to press for which column.

Difficulties like these are not required for a full, rankable spread. However, they are most certainly recommended for the song to be accessible by new players.

1. Common terms might have more classified order. For example, when you mention Chords, Hands and Jumps can be mentioned after this since they are basically referring to the same group of patterns.
2. Also, classification such as "game elements" or "note patterns" can be used to make things more in order, as mania has way complex pattern arrangements than other modes like taiko.
3. When you mention Mini-jack, why not put Jack too into the terms?
4. "BPM", "Snappings" can be added to the Common terms, just like osu!taiko RC. Copying from osu!taiko RC:
   BPM: An acronym for “beats per minute” used to determine the tempo of a song.
   Snapping: Timeline tick where an object is placed.
5. Also agree with Sinnoh that I think shields can be referred to notes before an LN, and actually I always refer to such before rather than after.
6. "Split rolls" is mentioned in the diff-specific RC but it is not defined in the Common Terms. Go add it.

1. Add the style of your beatmap into their tags.This serves good as a suggestion to the community, but I don't think it is proper to be in the RC. RC should not limit people on the use of tags in my opinion.
2. Also, another good point to mention about hitsounds is something like "Avoid placing storyboard hitsounds when no notes are present." or "Storyboard hitsounds placed when no notes are present are discouraged."

1. Why is Beginner diff-specific criteria necessary? Go play osu!mania Tutorial if one does not know how to press things in my opinion.
2. Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.
   Obviously this proposes a conflict with existing RC. I can see that osu!mania Easy diff is somehow harder than other modes, but I don't think for now this thing should be mandatory. Normal satisfies the need of some beginners too. We can make a compromise by make the criteria of normal a bit easier, but I absolutely disagree with this rule.
3. Do not place any chords in the middle of streams.
   This rule is limiting too much as the difficulty of streams varies when BPM and length of the pattern changes. We might have something in the guideline that "chords in the middle of streams with over X notes is discouraged."
4. One more thing might be brought to stage is "stacks", when you mention hand balance stuff in Diff-specific Criteria. Add this word to the Common Terms, and may give out some general suggestions like "avoid long-stacks that can actually be assigned to other columns, unless they serve with certain purposes." to criteria for easy, normal, hard.

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Okoratu wrote:

This is the current status of debate after they reached a deadlock. They wanted to allow semi-dumps but couldnt come up with criteria for them

abraker wrote:

I also think there should something against making slider velocity high for too long. I see nothing disallowing a mapper from applying x1.5 for one minute in normal diffs unless I glossed over something

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Maxus wrote:

abraker wrote:

I also think there should something against making slider velocity high for too long. I see nothing disallowing a mapper from applying x1.5 for one minute in normal diffs unless I glossed over something

Do you mean this?

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Because even in expert diff, the rule says it can't apply long-term SV for more than 1.1x

Mentholzzz wrote:

Note that Easy difficulties MUST be present in a mapset for it to be rankable. "you start to know how to read and press simple patterns" is the mindset this difficulty follows.

The current raking criteria said that " Single-mode mapsets must include a reasonable spread of at least two difficulties. The lowest difficulty cannot be harder than a Normal and it must comply with its respective mode’s difficulty-specific Ranking Criteria. " Wouldn't it cause a conflict ?
Also if this ranking criteria become real, the 2.00* diffculty rule will be gone , rite ?

Rivals_7 wrote:

General
>Rules
Different key amounts within a mapset must be treated as different gamemodes and require a respective independent difficulty spread. Therefore each key amount must have an independent difficulty spread. For example if you want to add a 7K difficulty to your set, you must design a whole 7K spread. If you want to add an additional 4K difficulty to your set, you must also design a whole 4K spread.

You can't use uninherited timing sections when there is no actual BPM changes. In other words, you can't use uninherited timing sections slowly to change the scrolling speed. Use inherited timing sections and SV changes instead.

This seems to be missing completely, and its actually pretty important. is it intentional or the whole draft was meant as an additional to the current one we have?

>Guidelines
Only use breaks when they are necessary, for example an absolute silent period within the song.

You should use at least two different key amounts for your set. It is suggested to make your set more accessible to a wider audience.

Different key amounts within a mapset should have a similiar difficulty spread. This is to keep parity between different key amounts and satisfy different key amount players.

I think these should also be mentioned as well

Virtue- wrote:

i dont think we need beginner difficulty for some reasons :

1. whats the different between beginner and easy difficulty? i think the gap between isnt too much and what we need in a rankable mapset is an easy difficulty that has been stated before. I know its not a must to put beginner difficulty in our mapset, but its kinda trigged me if anyone put beginner difficulty and easy on his/her map. like, its completely useless because they're both almost the same.

3. And if its a MUST to put beginner difficulty on the mapset, i think you need to reconsider this again. Lets say that we make an easy and simple song (eg. R3 Music Box) how can you make a beginner difficulty for that song? i mean, easy and normal difficulty is quite enough (you can make it harder tho)

thats all i want to say, please correct me if my argue or the way i thought about it is wrong. thank you!

Feerum wrote:

Okay so, the sense behind this was because o!m has a really really really harsh learning curve.. Easy diffs give a nice starting for o!m, sadly these get skipped way to often and we don't have that many proper easy diffs which also have pattern like a easy diff should have. With the difficult specific criteria we kinda show how a easy should look so new people get a proper start into the Mode.
I mean, it was a risky step of us but we thought we try it and see what the community say's to it. Ofc it causes a problem with the General Ranking Criteria and should be majority be fine with this step, it has to be re-written to fit to the Mania criteria.

Arzenvald wrote:

i think they will appreciate if the map having easy diff to learn how to play the basic rhythm..

Arzenvald wrote:

Looks like a quiet game-changing rule, with every LN should never be connected one to each other with 1/1 space between LN object

Tell me if im wrong

Normal Rule wrote:

Long notes across all columns must have a minimum spacing of 1/2 beats. Lower spacing would make the patterns hard for a normal player to keep up with the release timings. Spacing of 1/4 is an exception as it’s allowed only for shield patterns for this level of difficulty

> Long notes at the same column must have a minimum spacing of 2/1 beats. Lower spacing would make the patterns hard for a player to keep up with the release timings.
> Long notes across all columns must have a minimum spacing of 1/1 beats. Lower spacing would make the patterns hard for a player to keep up with the release timings.

shionelove wrote:

:boring maps,same patterns and same rhythms from R3 Music Box to goreshit.
:uncomfortable rhythm structures not only for beginners but players who like to get 1m score.

i always say,if there is a overmap which is made for harder diffs,there is a undermap which is made for easier diffs,too.
i strongly recommend remove these pattern rules,or at least move them guideline,or o!m is going to be dead.

Only inherited timing points are allowed to create slider velocity changes. Take caution as chart readability gets heavily affected when using higher slider velocity values. These should also be snapped to a rhythm divisible by the snapping of the present notes. For example, 1/2 notes would ideally utilize 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16 snappings, as opposed to 1/3.

Note snappings of consecutive 1/4 and higher should not be present in this difficulty level. This essentially means that there must be at least more than ¼ of a beat of distance between every note. This is to make sure beginner players start off with an easy experience in the game.

Note snappings of 1/6 and above should not be used. This is to make sure beginner players start off with an easy experience in the game.

Expert
Long note release timings should use similar snaps than their press timings

Jack: A small number of consecutive notes in the same column, usually performed at a faster pace compared to surrounding notes.

Stream: A constant supply of notes with the same intervals that do not repeat to create a mini-jack.

Long note: A note that must be held and released within a precise timing window.

Release: The end of a long note which must be released within a certain timing 1.1window to score the entirety of the note properly.

Inverse: A type of pattern that replaces all regular notes with long notes in a given section. Typically enough long notes to cover a majority of the playfield with holds.

Long notes across all columns should have a minimum spacing of 1/1 beats from the time it is first pressed.
Long notes at the same column should have a minimum spacing of 2/1 beats from the time it is first pressed. Lower spacing would make the patterns hard for a player to keep up with the release timings.

Long notes across all columns must have a minimum spacing of 1/2 beats from the first press. Lower spacing would make the patterns hard for a normal player to keep up with the release timings.**