Patatitta wrote:
context?
edit: ok googled it and apparently it's because nvidia stock fell due to the chinese AI but what does that have to do with linux
edit 2: okay apparently the chinese AI is open source that's neat, I don't like framing it as a linux win tho
Just turn 4x FG on to print more money.Winnyace wrote:
Pata really understands me, this is the year of the GNU/Linux Desktop after allPatatitta wrote:
me trying to force situations to become linux wins (I really need them rn)
it could be if microsoft blunders enough but probably not- Marco - wrote:
Pata really understands me, this is the year of the GNU/Linux Desktop after allPatatitta wrote:
me trying to force situations to become linux wins (I really need them rn)
some people are riding on the fact that windows 10 support will end but also it's not like people have stopped using windows 7xch00F wrote:
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.xch00F wrote:
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
Since I feel like I'm the one here that pushes for Linux the hardest, half as a shitpost and half in a serious manner, let me just that say you're right. It won't happen. I think the best way to put it is that it is completely unrealistic to expect any year, let alone this one, to be Linux's year. And even so, the last few years have been really great for the ecosystem in my opinion. I feel like with each year, Linux is shaping up to be like a decent option for people who know their way around computers, don't want to deal with Microsoft's BS and can tolerate some of the areas where Linux is lacking.xch00F wrote:
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
I think so too, but again, it won't be big. That's fine. Any new user is welcomed in my eyes.z0z wrote:
i think there will be some uptick in linux users but not a crazy amount
I'm not even saying you're coping, I'm simply saying you're wrong lol. it's possible in the sense that the chance of it happening is non-zero, but realistically, desktop linux having a significant share within professional environments is not going to happen.Kobold84 wrote:
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.xch00F wrote:
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
yeah, I think the best way to describe it would be that linux is becoming a better and better option for those who could be considered power users. unfortunately, the vast majority of end users are not that.Winnyace wrote:
Since I feel like I'm the one here that pushes for Linux the hardest, half as a shitpost and half in a serious manner, let me just that say you're right. It won't happen. I think the best way to put it is that it is completely unrealistic to expect any year, let alone this one, to be Linux's year. And even so, the last few years have been really great for the ecosystem in my opinion. I feel like with each year, Linux is shaping up to be like a decent option for people who know their way around computers, don't want to deal with Microsoft's BS and can tolerate some of the areas where Linux is lacking.
I don't see it happening ever. For one, even with more accessible tools, there are rough spots all over, with issues that only exist because the biggest things for the Linux desktop happen to be designed somewhat poorly or aren't properly maintained. Alongside this, while the large players in the ecosystem are moving towards more accessible tools, there is a significant chunk of users who still have their weird idiosyncrasies (tilling window managers, TUI based UX) that aren't on board with the changes brought by players like The KDE Foundation or The GNOME Foundation.Kobold84 wrote:
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.
But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
I'm sorry too for going in that direction.- Marco - wrote:
(this was supposed to be a funi shitpost because funny linux CEO man said fuck you nvidia and nvidia crashed and stuff, sorry for any misinterpretation or misunderstanding [but i appreciate the discussion])
sorry i tried posting a post without you know who being the subject... test n°385 failed
That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.xch00F wrote:
I'm not even saying you're coping, I'm simply saying you're wrong lol. it's possible in the sense that the chance of it happening is non-zero, but realistically, desktop linux having a significant share within professional environments is not going to happen.Kobold84 wrote:
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.xch00F wrote:
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
the biggest environment I've ever worked in was during a contract gig at our international airport. can you guess how many nodes were using windows? I'll give you a hint: the only thing running linux were their app servers
I wish... the Linux desktop ecosystem is too fractured to do that. Even among big players, as an example, Ubuntu is using Snap packages and Ubuntu holds a massive share of the market, with everybody else using Flatpak packages or even nothing at all (Arch Linux do their own with their repos and the AUR). A big reason why developers aren't providing their software for it is because:Kobold84 wrote:
That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.
honestly I disagree with this. microsoft is such a monolithic company and windows is such a ubiquitous product that it would require something genuinely catastrophic for microsoft to cease existing (aka going out of business). microsoft will bend over backwards to support legacy systems for anyone with a support contract, they'll keep raking in cash as long as they're still around and maintaining stuff from the newest systems to 20 year old embedded systems. like, it would need to be catastrophic to the point that we'd have bigger problems happening at the same time.Kobold84 wrote:
That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.
also all of thisWinnyace wrote:
I wish... the Linux desktop ecosystem is too fractured to do that. Even among big players, as an example, Ubuntu is using Snap packages and Ubuntu holds a massive share of the market, with everybody else using Flatpak packages or even nothing at all (Arch Linux do their own with their repos and the AUR). A big reason why developers aren't providing their software for it is because:
1. You had to provide your software that's identical to at least 5 different distros, all completely different from one other, with downstream distros too that also do their own thing
2. The market is too small
If even among large players we can't decide on an universal packaging format and finally stop having people maintain repos for software that's identical otherwise, it will be hard to attract developers and users over.
z0z wrote:
firefox is at a mere 2.47%
That's so fucking sad.Patatitta wrote:
if linux ever gets popular enough, the distro is going to look like android.
i would guess more that a specific distro locked down like android would be popular while the other distros existKarmine wrote:
That's so fucking sad.Patatitta wrote:
if linux ever gets popular enough, the distro is going to look like android.