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- Marco -
great_elmo
Looks at my 3050 6GB...
(mid gpu i know)
Patatitta
context?

edit: ok googled it and apparently it's because nvidia stock fell due to the chinese AI but what does that have to do with linux

edit 2: okay apparently the chinese AI is open source that's neat, I don't like framing it as a linux win tho
Topic Starter
- Marco -

Patatitta wrote:

context?

edit: ok googled it and apparently it's because nvidia stock fell due to the chinese AI but what does that have to do with linux

edit 2: okay apparently the chinese AI is open source that's neat, I don't like framing it as a linux win tho
Corne2Plum3
-16.86% today ouch
Patatitta
nvidia is not over, far from it, hardware will still exist and be annoying to work with, nvidia just had a big boom with AI and now it's that boom that seems to be going away, but no, nvidia is not going to cease to exist or appear to be super good for linux now
Winnyace

- Marco - wrote:

My pookie bear <3
Winnyace
Karmine

Winnyace wrote:

Just turn 4x FG on to print more money.
z0z
this isn't really a linux win, the main win is that deepseek is open source
Isshiki Kaname
linux had nothing to do with this. if anything, Torvalds was calling out Nvidia for not open sourcing kernel drivers for their mobile chips for Linux. As for neural net models and open-source, it's.... not really applicable. It's not a source code, but a binary blob generated by the training code to be used in inference. If anything, maybe calling it "public domain" is more accurate.
Topic Starter
- Marco -
it IS a (GNU/)Linux W because

  1. NVIDIA fucking dies (exaggerated for post posting reasons)
  2. Linus is happy about it (exaggerated for post posting reasons)
If you still have complaint then
Patatitta
me trying to force situations to become linux wins (I really need them rn)
xch00F
deepsneed
Topic Starter
- Marco -

Patatitta wrote:

me trying to force situations to become linux wins (I really need them rn)
Pata really understands me, this is the year of the GNU/Linux Desktop after all
z0z

- Marco - wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

me trying to force situations to become linux wins (I really need them rn)
Pata really understands me, this is the year of the GNU/Linux Desktop after all
it could be if microsoft blunders enough but probably not

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/

based on this site, while there was a uptick in linux users around the end of 2023, there wasn't much change up to the end of 2024
Karmine

- Marco - wrote:

it IS a (GNU/)Linux W because

  1. NVIDIA fucking dies (exaggerated for post posting reasons)
  2. Linus is happy about it (exaggerated for post posting reasons)
If you still have complaint then
xch00F
as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
z0z

xch00F wrote:

as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
some people are riding on the fact that windows 10 support will end but also it's not like people have stopped using windows 7

i think there will be some uptick in linux users but not a crazy amount
Kobold84

xch00F wrote:

as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.

But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
Winnyace

xch00F wrote:

as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
Since I feel like I'm the one here that pushes for Linux the hardest, half as a shitpost and half in a serious manner, let me just that say you're right. It won't happen. I think the best way to put it is that it is completely unrealistic to expect any year, let alone this one, to be Linux's year. And even so, the last few years have been really great for the ecosystem in my opinion. I feel like with each year, Linux is shaping up to be like a decent option for people who know their way around computers, don't want to deal with Microsoft's BS and can tolerate some of the areas where Linux is lacking.


z0z wrote:

i think there will be some uptick in linux users but not a crazy amount
I think so too, but again, it won't be big. That's fine. Any new user is welcomed in my eyes.
xch00F

Kobold84 wrote:

xch00F wrote:

as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.

But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
I'm not even saying you're coping, I'm simply saying you're wrong lol. it's possible in the sense that the chance of it happening is non-zero, but realistically, desktop linux having a significant share within professional environments is not going to happen.

the biggest environment I've ever worked in was during a contract gig at our international airport. can you guess how many nodes were using windows? I'll give you a hint: the only thing running linux were their app servers

Winnyace wrote:

Since I feel like I'm the one here that pushes for Linux the hardest, half as a shitpost and half in a serious manner, let me just that say you're right. It won't happen. I think the best way to put it is that it is completely unrealistic to expect any year, let alone this one, to be Linux's year. And even so, the last few years have been really great for the ecosystem in my opinion. I feel like with each year, Linux is shaping up to be like a decent option for people who know their way around computers, don't want to deal with Microsoft's BS and can tolerate some of the areas where Linux is lacking.
yeah, I think the best way to describe it would be that linux is becoming a better and better option for those who could be considered power users. unfortunately, the vast majority of end users are not that.
Winnyace

Kobold84 wrote:

It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.

But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
I don't see it happening ever. For one, even with more accessible tools, there are rough spots all over, with issues that only exist because the biggest things for the Linux desktop happen to be designed somewhat poorly or aren't properly maintained. Alongside this, while the large players in the ecosystem are moving towards more accessible tools, there is a significant chunk of users who still have their weird idiosyncrasies (tilling window managers, TUI based UX) that aren't on board with the changes brought by players like The KDE Foundation or The GNOME Foundation.

Alongside all of this, let's also not forget the fact some people just... don't care, at all. Not only that, there are some that actively hate Linux and its users and find Windows 11 a better option than Linux, somehow. Check r/pcmasterrace and you will see tons of people who have extremely wrong ideas about what Linux is, basking in their ignorance. There are members from this community who are like that too, considering Linux users as some hipsters with no personality. It's really cool when your own personality is that of an asshole, but that's besides the point of this discussion.
Topic Starter
- Marco -
(this was supposed to be a funi shitpost because funny linux CEO man said fuck you nvidia and nvidia crashed and stuff, sorry for any misinterpretation or misunderstanding [but i appreciate the discussion])

sorry i tried posting a post without you know who being the subject... test n°385 failed
Winnyace

- Marco - wrote:

(this was supposed to be a funi shitpost because funny linux CEO man said fuck you nvidia and nvidia crashed and stuff, sorry for any misinterpretation or misunderstanding [but i appreciate the discussion])

sorry i tried posting a post without you know who being the subject... test n°385 failed
I'm sorry too for going in that direction.
Kobold84

xch00F wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

xch00F wrote:

as someone who has worked in corporate/professional IT environments for about 15 years, I can say with 100% confidence that windows will always be the dominant os. linux is great but you will never be able to convince the majority of end users to switch. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm not sure how to phrase this nicely, but thinking that linux will ever have a significant market share is kinda, idk, delusional? out of touch?
It's possible, linux has been moving towards more accessible tools and frontend as of late.

But because of windows backwards compatibility, I can't see that happening for at least 20 years. And that can only happen if Microsoft screws up royally right at this moment and destroys itself. And that's only one major advantage.
I'm not even saying you're coping, I'm simply saying you're wrong lol. it's possible in the sense that the chance of it happening is non-zero, but realistically, desktop linux having a significant share within professional environments is not going to happen.

the biggest environment I've ever worked in was during a contract gig at our international airport. can you guess how many nodes were using windows? I'll give you a hint: the only thing running linux were their app servers
That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.
Winnyace

Kobold84 wrote:

That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.
I wish... the Linux desktop ecosystem is too fractured to do that. Even among big players, as an example, Ubuntu is using Snap packages and Ubuntu holds a massive share of the market, with everybody else using Flatpak packages or even nothing at all (Arch Linux do their own with their repos and the AUR). A big reason why developers aren't providing their software for it is because:
1. You had to provide your software that's identical to at least 5 different distros, all completely different from one other, with downstream distros too that also do their own thing
2. The market is too small

If even among large players we can't decide on an universal packaging format and finally stop having people maintain repos for software that's identical otherwise, it will be hard to attract developers and users over.
z0z
tbf even just 5%-10% marketshare would improve things on linux since there would be more people on there in general

and it could be worse, firefox is at a mere 2.47%
xch00F

Kobold84 wrote:

That's what I'm saying. The point is not that linux is unusable for most users, it's that windows is better and unless microsoft ceases to exist, that's not going to happen. But it's still possible, much more possible than linux overpowering them in a fair fight.
honestly I disagree with this. microsoft is such a monolithic company and windows is such a ubiquitous product that it would require something genuinely catastrophic for microsoft to cease existing (aka going out of business). microsoft will bend over backwards to support legacy systems for anyone with a support contract, they'll keep raking in cash as long as they're still around and maintaining stuff from the newest systems to 20 year old embedded systems. like, it would need to be catastrophic to the point that we'd have bigger problems happening at the same time.


Winnyace wrote:

I wish... the Linux desktop ecosystem is too fractured to do that. Even among big players, as an example, Ubuntu is using Snap packages and Ubuntu holds a massive share of the market, with everybody else using Flatpak packages or even nothing at all (Arch Linux do their own with their repos and the AUR). A big reason why developers aren't providing their software for it is because:
1. You had to provide your software that's identical to at least 5 different distros, all completely different from one other, with downstream distros too that also do their own thing
2. The market is too small
If even among large players we can't decide on an universal packaging format and finally stop having people maintain repos for software that's identical otherwise, it will be hard to attract developers and users over.
also all of this

my laptop dual boots win11 and ubuntu, and I gotta say, ubuntu's oobe is pretty awful compared to 11's lol. the desktop ecosystem needs a paradigm shift that would make linux appeal to both typical home end users and to typical corporate end users. but I'd also say that, imo, this paradigm shift is much more likely to happen than microsoft no longer existing
Winnyace
Every single distro OOBE is garbage in my opinion. Maybe Linux Mint's or Fedora's is decent, but a lot of them are just... not great. Ubuntu is especially bad for forcing Snap packages but it is finally starting to be decent as Snap packages themselves are starting to be decent.
Corne2Plum3

z0z wrote:

firefox is at a mere 2.47%
Patatitta
if linux ever gets popular enough, the distro is going to look like android.
Karmine

Patatitta wrote:

if linux ever gets popular enough, the distro is going to look like android.
That's so fucking sad.
z0z

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

if linux ever gets popular enough, the distro is going to look like android.
That's so fucking sad.
i would guess more that a specific distro locked down like android would be popular while the other distros exist
great_elmo
that wouldn't slide for me
Neigdoig
At the very least, I can use distributions that aren't like Android OS's. CachyOS is one such distro I just love to death right now. Cachy and i3 are my dream combo (which I'm using as I type this).
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