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math is technically a religion

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furry hater
kinda a unserious thought but here are my reasons:

1. there's involvement around the system of math
2. there's a holy book (academica)
3. discussion about how math functions and the types of math still exist and have been solved (ex. x^0 = 1)
4. it is unknown about how the rest of it works
5. people like math while people don't like it and there are extreme examples of both sides
Ashton
Religion is about believing in higher powers/gods/non-scientific things specifically. You are finding similarities between religion and mathematics, but you cannot claim that math is "technically" a religion.

That said, I also have some responses to some of your points:

1. What does this even mean? Math is a very broad discipline. Involvement within a discipline of academia does not have any correlation with religion.

2. You're using the word "holy" wrong. Mathematic/academic literature is not created with religious intent, thus it is not 'holy'.

3. Okay? How does this relate to it being a religion?

4. Again I'm not a mathmetician but pretty sure that all disciplines within academia and especially those of mathematics and science acknowledge there are unsolved questions or gaps in research/knowledge, but the whole point of academia is to produce knowledge by this continual research to further our understanding.

5. Again how does this relate to religion, at all? It's like saying religion is technically pineapple on pizza because some people love it and some people hate it...
z0z
i DEVOTE myself to WORSHIP MATH everyday, i PRAY a thousand times a day to EULER

i SACRIFICE someone else's newborn child to EULER everyday via stabbing sewing needles until the surface area of the child is composed of just needles and burning the child

i PREACH the symbols of math to unsuspecting people walking by on the street and give them pamphlets about the HOLY symbols

i OPPOSE all that oppose the HOLY symbols of MATH, all opposers get a stake to the heart

/j just in case
MangaGrumpy
oh my god i somehow never noticed
Behrauder
The prayer of mathematics is the digits of π, and those who can memorize more of them have a better chance of going to heaven, now everything makes sense!! :o
xch00F
there's not really a strong academic consensus on what constitutes a religion but generally speaking if it's some combination of belief in a supernatural higher power and a system of morality dictated, in part or in whole, by that higher power, it's likely a religion. you can bend the first part to maybe apply to math but there's no moral judgement to made by saying 1+1=2. much like there's no moral judgement to be made by saying this thread is dumb as shit
lostsilver
oh no
Winnyace
Anything then can be a religion based on your 5 points, no matter if the subject itself is as far removed from being religious, based on your points.
Offdensen
i logged into osu off topic forums, saw this, and logged out
Achromalia

Offdensen wrote:

i logged into osu off topic forums, saw this, and logged out
the correct decision, may we all learn this someday
Patatitta
have you guys ever saw an episode of the big bang theory, sheldon def treats science as a religion
reffty_gag
i should back to the forum game
xch00F

Patatitta wrote:

have you guys ever saw an episode of the big bang theory, sheldon def treats science as a religion
sheldor is autistic, not religious
Jangsoodlor
replace math with linux
Patatitta

xch00F wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

have you guys ever saw an episode of the big bang theory, sheldon def treats science as a religion
sheldor is autistic, not religious
Just the worst ever representation of autism

also in young sheldon sheldon literally prays to religion lmao
- Marco -
but unlike religion, math has scientific proofs
NissingMo

furry hater wrote:

kinda a unserious thought but here are my reasons:

1. there's involvement around the system of math
2. there's a holy book (academica)
3. discussion about how math functions and the types of math still exist and have been solved (ex. x^0 = 1)
4. it is unknown about how the rest of it works
5. people like math while people don't like it and there are extreme examples of both sides
This is a really loaded post that’s worth deconstructing because you bring up a point that’s flawed but it comes from a place of real concern.

While I don’t know exactly what you mean without your elaboration, I’ll talk about math and religion’s similarity in that they are human abstractions derived from reality in order to work with them on a meta level.

So math is an abstraction we use to quantify the world around us, it allows us to understand the certain patterns and behaviors in the world and gives us the ability to predict and perceive outcomes.

Religion/Philosophy is an abstraction from reality as well. It tells a set of stories that culminate into a meta protagonist (Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.) and those abstractions become tools to help us live life in a way that aligns with reality (Don’t distort the truth which includes stealing, murder, etc.).

Math shows us how we can use abstraction to interact with the world and religion/philosophy shows us how to conduct ourselves in it. They are both very important because math can’t give us what philosophy can and philosophy can’t perform the function that math serves. Just because they are both abstractions from a human-construction doesn’t mean they are the same thing categorically.

I’d love to talk more about this because this is a very real conundrum for people and it’s worth talking about.
Jangsoodlor

NissingMo wrote:

furry hater wrote:

kinda a unserious thought but here are my reasons:

1. there's involvement around the system of math
2. there's a holy book (academica)
3. discussion about how math functions and the types of math still exist and have been solved (ex. x^0 = 1)
4. it is unknown about how the rest of it works
5. people like math while people don't like it and there are extreme examples of both sides
This is a really loaded post that’s worth deconstructing because you bring up a point that’s flawed but it comes from a place of real concern.

While I don’t know exactly what you mean without your elaboration, I’ll talk about math and religion’s similarity in that they are human abstractions derived from reality in order to work with them on a meta level.

So math is an abstraction we use to quantify the world around us, it allows us to understand the certain patterns and behaviors in the world and gives us the ability to predict and perceive outcomes.

Religion/Philosophy is an abstraction from reality as well. It tells a set of stories that culminate into a meta protagonist (Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.) and those abstractions become tools to help us live life in a way that aligns with reality (Don’t distort the truth which includes stealing, murder, etc.).

Math shows us how we can use abstraction to interact with the world and religion/philosophy shows us how to conduct ourselves in it. They are both very important because math can’t give us what philosophy can and philosophy can’t perform the function that math serves. Just because they are both abstractions from a human-construction doesn’t mean they are the same thing categorically.

I’d love to talk more about this because this is a very real conundrum for people and it’s worth talking about.
Well, math kinda also tells us how to conduct ourselves in the world. A structure that defies gravity (which is proven by physics which, in turn, is proven by math) cannot possibly be built in real life. Also, some religions (Shintoism and Hinduism in particular) don't have "meta protagonist" (aka. prophets).
NissingMo

Jangsoodlor wrote:

NissingMo wrote:

furry hater wrote:

kinda a unserious thought but here are my reasons:

1. there's involvement around the system of math
2. there's a holy book (academica)
3. discussion about how math functions and the types of math still exist and have been solved (ex. x^0 = 1)
4. it is unknown about how the rest of it works
5. people like math while people don't like it and there are extreme examples of both sides
This is a really loaded post that’s worth deconstructing because you bring up a point that’s flawed but it comes from a place of real concern.

While I don’t know exactly what you mean without your elaboration, I’ll talk about math and religion’s similarity in that they are human abstractions derived from reality in order to work with them on a meta level.

So math is an abstraction we use to quantify the world around us, it allows us to understand the certain patterns and behaviors in the world and gives us the ability to predict and perceive outcomes.

Religion/Philosophy is an abstraction from reality as well. It tells a set of stories that culminate into a meta protagonist (Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.) and those abstractions become tools to help us live life in a way that aligns with reality (Don’t distort the truth which includes stealing, murder, etc.).

Math shows us how we can use abstraction to interact with the world and religion/philosophy shows us how to conduct ourselves in it. They are both very important because math can’t give us what philosophy can and philosophy can’t perform the function that math serves. Just because they are both abstractions from a human-construction doesn’t mean they are the same thing categorically.

I’d love to talk more about this because this is a very real conundrum for people and it’s worth talking about.
Well, math kinda also tells us how to conduct ourselves in the world. A structure that defies gravity (which is proven by physics which, in turn, is proven by math) cannot possibly be built in real life. Also, some religions (Shintoism and Hinduism in particular) don't have "meta protagonist" (aka. prophets).
Math tells us how we “can” defy the pattern that we call gravity. But it doesn’t guide us morally. The “how” to a mathematical/engineering problem is different from a “how” to a moral conundrum. For example, math can’t solve the trolley problem. Even though there is a numerical difference in the number of people on each track, the numerical value doesn’t tell you whether or not you should pull the lever to doom the previously safe individual to save the many.

Edit: I’m not familiar with Shintoism, but I believe that hinduism stil has deities and a system that strives towards an ideal self. Most existing/surviving religions are ancient texts that are designed to facilitate living on “the golden path” or live the correct way, regardless of how their protagonist manifests itself in fiction. There are religions that don’t follow this formula, but far and few between and there’s a reason they aren’t as prominent as the religions we see today.
xch00F
math is not technically a religion and you are a moron if you think this, there's really no argument to be made here
Jangsoodlor

xch00F wrote:

math is not technically a religion and you are a moron if you think this, there's really no argument to be made here
welcome to off-topic sir
NissingMo

xch00F wrote:

math is not technically a religion and you are a moron if you think this, there's really no argument to be made here
I think the argument has a faulty premise, but that doesn't mean there can't be a discussion comparing their construction. But yes, math is not technically a religion.
Hachiman Ryouta
2 + 2 =
Corne2Plum3
3 + 3 = 8

Have a nice day
sametdze

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

3 + 3 = 8

Have a nice day
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NissingMo

Hachiman Ryouta wrote:

2 + 2 =
That depends. 2 + 2 can equal 11 depending on the circumstance.
reffty_gag

Hachiman Ryouta wrote:

2 + 2 =
ikan mas
Hachiman Ryouta

reffty_gag wrote:

Hachiman Ryouta wrote:

2 + 2 =
ikan mas
魚さんです
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