I didn't read all of the 46 pages because I'm lazy so maybe someone already asked this, if there will be a way to look at your own accuracy\speed\aim level like Osu!tp shows, expaple: http://puu.sh/7ezSR.png.
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pp are called "performance points". They are rating your performance, not your skill. Those 2 things are very similar but not exactly the same. Let's look at a piano player for instance. Would you rate a perfect interpretation of an easier piece lower than a horrible play through some ridiculously hard piece? I wouldn't.dennischan wrote:
Thats not a tragedy, you can get your ranks back.
Passing mad machine and getting nothing IS a tragedy.
passing mad machine is just so stupidly hard its much harder than a random FC on insanes which are actually not so hard.
I dont understand why we get no pp from top tier maps while farming insanes give tons of pp
The first requirement for getting pp is delivering a decent performance. Map difficulty is also factored in and can make up for worse performances up to a certain degree, but barely passing won't get you anywhere. As a guideline, you should try to get below 10 misses and above 90% accuracy if you want your play to be rated well. A higher combo also does help. Of course if the map indeed is ridiculously hard, then you can get away even with a low accuracy, as long as you keep your misses low and your combo high. You can see the C in jesus1412's best performances for instance.
There might be such a display at some point.-MrPotato- wrote:
I didn't read all of the 46 pages because I'm lazy so maybe someone already asked this, if there will be a way to look at your own accuracy\speed\aim level like Osu!tp shows, expaple: http://puu.sh/7ezSR.png.
Does accuracy have any influence on pp? Or is it just your score and the weight of said score depending on the map/mod combo?
Is it possible to get docked 100pp every 3 weeks or so? Because that's happening right now to me.
I was 1,114pp just before the ppv2 performance charts became available, and after that i dropped to 1000pp, which i noticed while playing.
After gaining 100 back over a few weeks since then, my pp just now dropped by 100. AGAIN.
I can understand the fact that pp is constantly being recalculated, but I believe 100pp disappearing every single time it does so is simply absurd.
Can someone explain what factors contribute to a decrease in pp?
I was 1,114pp just before the ppv2 performance charts became available, and after that i dropped to 1000pp, which i noticed while playing.
After gaining 100 back over a few weeks since then, my pp just now dropped by 100. AGAIN.
I can understand the fact that pp is constantly being recalculated, but I believe 100pp disappearing every single time it does so is simply absurd.
Can someone explain what factors contribute to a decrease in pp?
I think that this is a serious bug, so if its convenient, can you please recheck mike's scores for him
like you did for the guys here? t/181850/start=165
Thanks Tom in advance, and sorry for bothering you.
like you did for the guys here? t/181850/start=165
Thanks Tom in advance, and sorry for bothering you.
Everytime you lost pp, the algorithm that calculates pp has changed. You haven't lost any pp, according to the new algorithm you just have the pp you have.mike6649 wrote:
I can understand the fact that pp is constantly being recalculated, but I believe 100pp disappearing every single time it does so is simply absurd.
Can someone explain what factors contribute to a decrease in pp?
Are you an FL or HD player? Do you have any scores that excel in one category in particular (e.g., a SS in 7000 circles OD11 map for accuracy, FC a 360bpm 7000 circles stream map for speed , FC a 360bpm 7000 circles full screen squares AR11 map for aim)? If you're not, you "lost" pp because the recent adjustments were to give a fairer pp value to such plays. For more info on how exactly it happened, read the thread.
How about this X person is playing insane maps and he fc them but whit lower acc like around 94% acc lets say then Y person is doing hard and normals and even easy whit alot of mods gets a good acc around 98% and getting high ranks and they are at same rank. Shouldn't the Y person be lower rank since it takes much less skill than doing insanes?Tom94 wrote:
pp are called "performance points". They are rating your performance, not your skill. Those 2 things are very similar but not exactly the same. Let's look at a piano player for instance. Would you rate a perfect interpretation of an easier piece lower than a horrible play through some ridiculously hard piece? I wouldn't.dennischan wrote:
Thats not a tragedy, you can get your ranks back.
Passing mad machine and getting nothing IS a tragedy.
passing mad machine is just so stupidly hard its much harder than a random FC on insanes which are actually not so hard.
I dont understand why we get no pp from top tier maps while farming insanes give tons of pp
The first requirement for getting pp is delivering a decent performance. Map difficulty is also factored in and can make up for worse performances up to a certain degree, but barely passing won't get you anywhere. As a guideline, you should try to get below 10 misses and above 90% accuracy if you want your play to be rated well. A higher combo also does help. Of course if the map indeed is ridiculously hard, then you can get away even with a low accuracy, as long as you keep your misses low and your combo high. You can see the C in jesus1412's best performances for instance.There might be such a display at some point.-MrPotato- wrote:
I didn't read all of the 46 pages because I'm lazy so maybe someone already asked this, if there will be a way to look at your own accuracy\speed\aim level like Osu!tp shows, expaple: http://puu.sh/7ezSR.png.
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That really depends on the maps. Some hard maps become harder than insanes with the right mods.Symqn wrote:
How about this X person is playing insane maps and he fc them but whit lower acc like around 94% acc lets say then Y person is doing hard and normals and even easy whit alot of mods gets a good acc around 98% and getting high ranks and they are at same rank. Shouldn't the Y person be lower rank since it takes much less skill than doing insanes?
Any plan to put "Level" difficulty beside the map? easy to know which map is harder etc. Put ingame i mean because lazy to go to osutp website xD
I need someone to explain to me something about ppv2.
Why does This (#44), awards me no pp, and even makes my accuracy drop by 0.02%, while This makes me gain something like 1-2 pp, and doesn't make my accuracy drop.
I really don't understand.
Is there something wrong with me, or ? ...
And is it me or DT is totally overrated now ? Because i did some random DT scores, even with poor accuracy, and i gained a lot of pp, maybe like 10-15 by rank, when they were really bad.
Why does This (#44), awards me no pp, and even makes my accuracy drop by 0.02%, while This makes me gain something like 1-2 pp, and doesn't make my accuracy drop.
I really don't understand.
Is there something wrong with me, or ? ...
And is it me or DT is totally overrated now ? Because i did some random DT scores, even with poor accuracy, and i gained a lot of pp, maybe like 10-15 by rank, when they were really bad.
Yes there isDesu_p wrote:
Any plan to put "Level" difficulty beside the map? easy to know which map is harder etc. Put ingame i mean because lazy to go to osutp website xD
Happens to me too. From my understanding, the performance evaluation may have been delayed. i.e, you played that first map, and before the PP was given to you after you played the second map, making it seem like the second map was the one that gave you the pp. The second didn't affect your accuracy because it was probably not a good enough performance to be put into consideration.Soinou wrote:
I need someone to explain to me something about ppv2.
Why does This (#44), awards me no pp, and even makes my accuracy drop by 0.02%, while This makes me gain something like 1-2 pp, and doesn't make my accuracy drop.
I really don't understand.
Is there something wrong with me, or ? ...
And is it me or DT is totally overrated now ? Because i did some random DT scores, even with poor accuracy, and i gained a lot of pp, maybe like 10-15 by rank, when they were really bad.
As for DT, maybe you're good at DT but some people (ME
) suck at DT. What's easy for you may not be easy for others. DT calculation is the exact same as nomod mapped at 1.5*speed. You can see that on the previous page, actually. It'd be a good idea to skim a few pages first, most questions have already been asked many times.Soinou wrote:
I need someone to explain to me something about ppv2.
Why does This (#44), awards me no pp, and even makes my accuracy drop by 0.02%, while This makes me gain something like 1-2 pp, and doesn't make my accuracy drop.
I really don't understand.
Is there something wrong with me, or ? ...
And is it me or DT is totally overrated now ? Because i did some random DT scores, even with poor accuracy, and i gained a lot of pp, maybe like 10-15 by rank, when they were really bad.
The second song, according to osu!tp calculator, is 17 levels higher. You performed reasonably well for it, so I guess it awarded you more pp.
s: http://osutp.net/beatmaps
This remind me, I have a similar question about the rating of performances.JappyBabes wrote:
idk how these two made it into WWW/my best performance list but i'm pretty sure they shoudn't be there, especially to be rated as my two best.
Assuming TP accuracy is based on accuracy%+miss+combo, I'll say beforehand these are all S+FC's.
Why is it that Lv70 (52|77) 99.27% > Lv67 (55|72) 99.43% > Lv76 (47|87) 99.74% o_o... Confuses the heck outta me.
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There seems to be a bug in the difficulty calculations of those maps. I'll look into it. Suspecting it has to do with the fast repeat sliders.JappyBabes wrote:
idk how these two made it into WWW/my best performance list but i'm pretty sure they shoudn't be there, especially to be rated as my two best.
My best plays so far are mostly without mods (except for 1 which is DT), and i believe they in fact do specialise in one category (mostly aim or speed). I checked and the 'drops' in pp were on Feb 9th and March 1st respectively, yet the Feb 9th changelog didn't mention 'nerfing' anything in particular, which is even more confusing. Unless there are some changes that were not logged.DT-sama wrote:
Everytime you lost pp, the algorithm that calculates pp has changed. You haven't lost any pp, according to the new algorithm you just have the pp you have.mike6649 wrote:
I can understand the fact that pp is constantly being recalculated, but I believe 100pp disappearing every single time it does so is simply absurd.
Can someone explain what factors contribute to a decrease in pp?
Are you an FL or HD player? Do you have any scores that excel in one category in particular (e.g., a SS in 7000 circles OD11 map for accuracy, FC a 360bpm 7000 circles stream map for speed , FC a 360bpm 7000 circles full screen squares AR11 map for aim)? If you're not, you "lost" pp because the recent adjustments were to give a fairer pp value to such plays. For more info on how exactly it happened, read the thread.
Overall, the ppv2 system is pretty good, but there are some maps which seem to be much harder than it says on the tp database, like:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/19990 and
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/270980.
Does the ppv2 database treat these maps as about the same difficulty as the tp maps (easier than it actually is), and if so, is there a way to fix it?
Clarification:
The first one has lots of jumps, but low slider speed which makes it very hard to aim.
The second one basically spams tons of notes.
These two are both harder than they are ranked, and I think that there may be others like this.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/19990 and
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/270980.
Does the ppv2 database treat these maps as about the same difficulty as the tp maps (easier than it actually is), and if so, is there a way to fix it?
Clarification:
The first one has lots of jumps, but low slider speed which makes it very hard to aim.
The second one basically spams tons of notes.
These two are both harder than they are ranked, and I think that there may be others like this.
Topic Starter
The bug has been fixed. It'll propagate to your pp tomorrow.Tom94 wrote:
There seems to be a bug in the difficulty calculations of those maps. I'll look into it. Suspecting it has to do with the fast repeat sliders.JappyBabes wrote:
idk how these two made it into WWW/my best performance list but i'm pretty sure they shoudn't be there, especially to be rated as my two best.
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/changelog?category=performancemike6649 wrote:
My best plays so far are mostly without mods (except for 1 which is DT), and i believe they in fact do specialise in one category (mostly aim or speed). I checked and the 'drops' in pp were on Feb 9th and March 1st respectively, yet the Feb 9th changelog didn't mention 'nerfing' anything in particular, which is even more confusing. Unless there are some changes that were not logged.
I am seeing things on Feb 9th there.
Feb 9, 2014
Performance: [Tom94] Increase the aim bonus of FlashLight slightly.
Performance: [Tom94] Increase pp-value of scores which excel in one category.
Can you elaborate on how this patch cause such a tremendous deduction in pp? I'm seeing what you are seeing.
Performance: [Tom94] Increase the aim bonus of FlashLight slightly.
Performance: [Tom94] Increase pp-value of scores which excel in one category.
Can you elaborate on how this patch cause such a tremendous deduction in pp? I'm seeing what you are seeing.
Did you lose pp or you lost rank? Not the same thing.
Both. I lost pp, therefore I lost rank. And its not just a minor drop of pp, it was up to 10% of my total pp (1100 -> 1000)Wishy wrote:
Did you lose pp or you lost rank? Not the same thing.
Topic Starter
I can't just make everyone's pp increase. I need to scale things down so the average of everyone stays the same. That means that you didn't profit much from the change and thus lost pp in the process of scaling everyone down. You probably have many scores which are about equal in each category and don't excel in one particular category.mike6649 wrote:
Both. I lost pp, therefore I lost rank. And its not just a minor drop of pp, it was up to 10% of my total pp (1100 -> 1000)Wishy wrote:
Did you lose pp or you lost rank? Not the same thing.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was pretty pissed when I saw my pp was gone twice lol
Hi, I looked around for a little bit and I couldn't find answers.
So there is one map that while it was qualified, I played it and scored a 98% accuracy on it. And judging by the tp level on osutp (first one) it should've landed somewhere in my top scores. However, it was not calculated because it was qualified then. Now it is ranked but I did not get any points.
Do I have to beat that score for it to recalculate? I've already tried forcing a recalculation by beating other maps but to no avail.
So there is one map that while it was qualified, I played it and scored a 98% accuracy on it. And judging by the tp level on osutp (first one) it should've landed somewhere in my top scores. However, it was not calculated because it was qualified then. Now it is ranked but I did not get any points.
Do I have to beat that score for it to recalculate? I've already tried forcing a recalculation by beating other maps but to no avail.
qualified maps do give pp, if it didnt get into your top performance it means you didnt get enough pp from it.
all the maps currently in your top performance are higher tp lvl than this map, if you add the relatively low acc to that it makes sense that it isnt in your top performance.
uh ...tastystew wrote:
The second song, according to osu!tp calculator, is 17 levels higher. You performed reasonably well for it, so I guess it awarded you more pp.
91%, B, alot of misses ...
Not sure if i can consider it "reasonably well".
But aniway, thanks for all your answers
.Hmm, my lowest one was a lvl 43 but with 93% accuracy but, the rest are about 95-97%. Would a longer combo (1110) but the lower accuracy and 2 more tp be worth more then the shorter combo (457), 98% and two 2tp lower?silmarilen wrote:
all the maps currently in your top performance are higher tp lvl than this map, if you add the relatively low acc to that it makes sense that it isnt in your top performance.
I still don't see how http://osu.ppy.sh/b/146372 is such a high level, in comparison to chipscape and dt eiji kuinbii.
And then something like dt http://osu.ppy.sh/b/295824 is much lower than midnight siege, even though it's a lot harder
And then something like dt http://osu.ppy.sh/b/295824 is much lower than midnight siege, even though it's a lot harder
These are a few things that have bothered me too the point where i really want to make a post about it....mainly complaining about it, so i can atleast get some sense out of it. I dont really want to be told why this happens for i know how the system is working right now i want to know why it is the way it is for this is clearly flawed.
This is just today, but it happens on a regular basis, i played this beatmap for example, got a decent combo stacked up and a decent score yet i had 87% accuracy, and the accuracy is basically what caused me to lose ranks after playing this. Considering my rank of 15k and the fact i did that well on it, i was very unhappy with being rewarded by losing ranks.
at this point im tired, so i decided to 3 mod a normal beatmap, why not right? Apparently thats a bad idea too, for getting a rank of 282 of 6900 must be bad, i lost even more ranks than for the previous one.
this keeps happening to me, and has been happening to me for weeks and weeks and i kept telling myself that this would be fixed but apparently not for i keep gaining and losing my ranks for no reason at all. IM half scared to post this because its mostly complaining but im too unhappy with all of these that i just need to.
This is just today, but it happens on a regular basis, i played this beatmap for example, got a decent combo stacked up and a decent score yet i had 87% accuracy, and the accuracy is basically what caused me to lose ranks after playing this. Considering my rank of 15k and the fact i did that well on it, i was very unhappy with being rewarded by losing ranks.
at this point im tired, so i decided to 3 mod a normal beatmap, why not right? Apparently thats a bad idea too, for getting a rank of 282 of 6900 must be bad, i lost even more ranks than for the previous one.
this keeps happening to me, and has been happening to me for weeks and weeks and i kept telling myself that this would be fixed but apparently not for i keep gaining and losing my ranks for no reason at all. IM half scared to post this because its mostly complaining but im too unhappy with all of these that i just need to.
How about being able to prioritize certain rank on map which forces it to recalculate over your top score on it? 3 times per week/month so it's not that abuseable.
Topic Starter
You're not gaining any pp, because appearently you already have many, many plays of that kind of level. Try to get better scores on harder maps if you want to further increase your pp.Squigly wrote:
These are a few things that have bothered me too the point where i really want to make a post about it....mainly complaining about it, so i can atleast get some sense out of it. I dont really want to be told why this happens for i know how the system is working right now i want to know why it is the way it is for this is clearly flawed.
This is just today, but it happens on a regular basis, i played this beatmap for example, got a decent combo stacked up and a decent score yet i had 87% accuracy, and the accuracy is basically what caused me to lose ranks after playing this. Considering my rank of 15k and the fact i did that well on it, i was very unhappy with being rewarded by losing ranks.
at this point im tired, so i decided to 3 mod a normal beatmap, why not right? Apparently thats a bad idea too, for getting a rank of 282 of 6900 must be bad, i lost even more ranks than for the previous one.
this keeps happening to me, and has been happening to me for weeks and weeks and i kept telling myself that this would be fixed but apparently not for i keep gaining and losing my ranks for no reason at all. IM half scared to post this because its mostly complaining but im too unhappy with all of these that i just need to.
Keep in mind, that scores with many misses and a low accuracy are not considered a good performance, regardless of map. You shouldn't get pp for getting a D on big black + DT + NoFail, too, as an extreme example.
The reason you are losing ranks is that other people don't just stop improving. If people surpass your pp, then they rank up and you rank down. Nothing to do with the scores you set.
What is the standard Map diff for about 10k-12k Plays ? Maps like TJ.Hangneil - Kamui [SHD]?Tom94 wrote:
You're not gaining any pp, because appearently you already have many, many plays of that kind of level. Try to get better scores on harder maps if you want to further increase your pp.
Bcs I try to find hard maps to improve ... what is better to learn high AR Maps or to learn low AR high BPM Maps like DJPop Maps
Topic Starter
Why would it depend on the amount of plays? It doesn't. It depends on how much pp you already have, or more precisely, on how good your best scores already are. If you have tons of crazy scores like thelewa for example, then you would get pretty much nothing from a Kamui FC. If you only have mediocre Insane scores, then a Kamui FC would give you a lot.Ultrayano wrote:
What is the standard Map diff for 12k Plays ? Maps like TJ.Hangneil - Kamui [SHD]?Tom94 wrote:
You're not gaining any pp, because appearently you already have many, many plays of that kind of level. Try to get better scores on harder maps if you want to further increase your pp.
Oh okay now I understand the system.. I thought it depend on how much Plays you have bcs of more Plays = more Practice for normallyTom94 wrote:
Why would it depend on the amount of plays? It doesn't. It depends on how much pp you already have, or more precisely, on how good your best scores already are. If you have tons of crazy scores like thelewa for example, then you would get pretty much nothing from a Kamui FC. If you only have mediocre Insane scores, then a Kamui FC would give you a lot.
my pp got deducted by 13 after i got 99.25% on a hard map with no mod. whats happening ;_;
i've got top 45 then my rank decreased by 700..
seems really confused with new ranking system.. ._.
seems really confused with new ranking system.. ._.
i understand people dont stop improving, i was playing maps all day, i thought this was going to boost be significantly, like i stated before, i do better than people under 10k, explain it to me please. i lose ranks for doing good and gain ranks for doing bad. And one thing, personally i believe that making it so rank on a beatmap doesnt matter is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.Tom94 wrote:
You're not gaining any pp, because appearently you already have many, many plays of that kind of level. Try to get better scores on harder maps if you want to further increase your pp.Squigly wrote:
These are a few things that have bothered me too the point where i really want to make a post about it....mainly complaining about it, so i can atleast get some sense out of it. I dont really want to be told why this happens for i know how the system is working right now i want to know why it is the way it is for this is clearly flawed.
This is just today, but it happens on a regular basis, i played this beatmap for example, got a decent combo stacked up and a decent score yet i had 87% accuracy, and the accuracy is basically what caused me to lose ranks after playing this. Considering my rank of 15k and the fact i did that well on it, i was very unhappy with being rewarded by losing ranks.
at this point im tired, so i decided to 3 mod a normal beatmap, why not right? Apparently thats a bad idea too, for getting a rank of 282 of 6900 must be bad, i lost even more ranks than for the previous one.
this keeps happening to me, and has been happening to me for weeks and weeks and i kept telling myself that this would be fixed but apparently not for i keep gaining and losing my ranks for no reason at all. IM half scared to post this because its mostly complaining but im too unhappy with all of these that i just need to.
Keep in mind, that scores with many misses and a low accuracy are not considered a good performance, regardless of map. You shouldn't get pp for getting a D on big black + DT + NoFail, too, as an extreme example.
The reason you are losing ranks is that other people don't just stop improving. If people surpass your pp, then they rank up and you rank down. Nothing to do with the scores you set.
That map requires almost no aim at all, and it is pretty slow.NixXSkate wrote:
http://osutp.net/scores?pn=Winshley&bn=paraparamax
As for the accuracy. OD5 is relatively low.
According to the "expected unstable rate" formula:
SSing paraparaMAX is comparable to SSing a 2-minute Insane OD7 with 435 circles (considering you can retry paraparaMAX 2 times per hour of playing without breaks, and you can retry the Insane map 30 times).
Or SSing paraparaMAX is comparable to SSing an Insane OD7 with 105 circles (assuming each map was played only once and there weren't "lucky" plays).
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https://osu.ppy.sh/p/changelog?category=performancewailord2700 wrote:
my pp got deducted by 13 after i got 99.25% on a hard map with no mod. whats happening ;_;
It doesn't matter how many maps you are playing if you don't play on par to your best scores. The system is supposed to rate how good you are performing, not how much you are performing. There is only a limited amount of pp you can gain by playing maps of the same level.Squigly wrote:
i understand people dont stop improving, i was playing maps all day, i thought this was going to boost be significantly, like i stated before, i do better than people under 10k, explain it to me please. i lose ranks for doing good and gain ranks for doing bad. And one thing, personally i believe that making it so rank on a beatmap doesnt matter is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Considering the rank on a beatmap doesn't work for one simple reason: There are maps which have been played more than 1000 times as often as others, so simply taking the map rank into account doesn't work. "Consider map rank relative to total plays on the map then!", you might say, but that also doesn't work, because the better players tend to only play the harder maps, so the competition on easier maps is far more forgiving than on the harder maps.
I'd share my personal experience since you seem troubled and we happen to have almost the same rank at least back then. Now I'm rank 9950+Squigly wrote:
i understand people dont stop improving, i was playing maps all day, i thought this was going to boost be significantly, like i stated before, i do better than people under 10k, explain it to me please. i lose ranks for doing good and gain ranks for doing bad. And one thing, personally i believe that making it so rank on a beatmap doesnt matter is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
FROM A RANK 15K PERSPECTIVE
so you're rank 15k (181Xpp).... almost perfectly the same rank I had 2 months (not sure) ago starting from the drastic change in pp (some time after the ppv2 testing). I tested a little on maps by getting SS on a hard and my pp didn't budge an inch. When I put an HD mod and got an SSH, it budged for like... 4 pp or something and it even got inside top 500 but at least there's improvement. Trimodding XH Normal maps even on top 50 doesn't give anything
Observation: Don't bother going no mod on Hard mode beatmaps
Don't bother playing Normal mode maps (unless you want to get a #1, if you can)
And when I DT a hard, SS it and got it even outside the top 500 range, you'd get 15 pp at the very least but I didn't chose this route. Instead, I went straight to FC'ing insanes/lunatics with a low acc HRHD on top 50 like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/b/173567?m=0 or a 99.50+ HD on players in the top 40-50 like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/b/263270?m=0. I made a mental note that these kinds of maps gives a lot of pp when 99%'d AND as long as it got inside 1000 (of course this should be obvious already, it's an "insane" map with a high number of combo so it'd give a bunch of pp for a low rank)
Observation: Certain insane maps with top 50s having a low acc HRHD (97% above) and FC'ing them nets you good amounts of pp
Certain insane maps with top 50s having high acc HD (99% above) and FC'ing them nets you even better amounts of pp
MOST IMPORTANT NOTE: get your rank inside 1000 as often as possible
And also, tryharding maps like Fear and Loathing..., Wahrheit, Goreshit ,"most" marathon maps or other very hard maps would rarely give you a "good amount" of pp if you can't FC them or at least get a decent combo. Maybe you'd get like 2-10pp but that's it.
I gained 300+ pp since the start of using my methods and I'm still slacking
ive been playing and beating the harder maps in the game, people of my rank cant do it and people who are much higher than me cant do it either, just awake is not an easy beatmap to play at all to get a B on it isnt even that bad, im certainly no pro player but losing ranks from this? seriously? there are definitly balancing issues if that isnt considered a hard map. This is all i want to point out, i know like no one who has beaten dance with a number at my rank, regardless of my accuracy on it (which was awful) i didnt gain a single thing from it. Its not an easy accomplishment, especially fro someone of my rank.Tom94 wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/changelog?category=performancewailord2700 wrote:
my pp got deducted by 13 after i got 99.25% on a hard map with no mod. whats happening ;_;It doesn't matter how many maps you are playing if you don't play on par to your best scores. The system is supposed to rate how good you are performing, not how much you are performing. There is only a limited amount of pp you can gain by playing maps of the same level.Squigly wrote:
i understand people dont stop improving, i was playing maps all day, i thought this was going to boost be significantly, like i stated before, i do better than people under 10k, explain it to me please. i lose ranks for doing good and gain ranks for doing bad. And one thing, personally i believe that making it so rank on a beatmap doesnt matter is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Considering the rank on a beatmap doesn't work for one simple reason: There are maps which have been played more than 1000 times as often as others, so simply taking the map rank into account doesn't work. "Consider map rank relative to total plays on the map then!", you might say, but that also doesn't work, because the better players tend to only play the harder maps, so the competition on easier maps is far more forgiving than on the harder maps.
After reading other posts i want to point out that i dont want to know how this works, i know how the system works, im trying to point out how much of a flaw this is that accuracy is so heavily weighted that i can lose ranks from doing well on beatmaps. But if it truly isnt going to9 affect your decisions with where to take this then i guess ill simply just stop.
So I just lost 12pp after playing a map I had only played once before (about 3 minutes prior to that to be exact). I improved both my accuracy (and had fewer misses) and my combo. Also I didn't get any pp for my previous performance.
It's not a hard map at all and it was just to get warmed up really so I'm kind of confused as to what happened, I didn't expect it to influence my pp at all.
http://puu.sh/7iTA7.png
It doesn't bother me too much because pp isn't exactly important around my level but I thought I'd let you know since afaik PPv2 doesn't punish you for bad performances except when you overwrite an old score with worse accuracy etc.
If it was just due to another pp recalculation, please point me to the appropriate changelog entry.
Edit: Also, you did a great job on the new system overall, I haven't encountered any problems before this and I think it portrays my performance a lot better than PPv1 did, though I still feel like osu! thinks of me as a better player than I actually am.
It's not a hard map at all and it was just to get warmed up really so I'm kind of confused as to what happened, I didn't expect it to influence my pp at all.
http://puu.sh/7iTA7.png
It doesn't bother me too much because pp isn't exactly important around my level but I thought I'd let you know since afaik PPv2 doesn't punish you for bad performances except when you overwrite an old score with worse accuracy etc.
If it was just due to another pp recalculation, please point me to the appropriate changelog entry.
Edit: Also, you did a great job on the new system overall, I haven't encountered any problems before this and I think it portrays my performance a lot better than PPv1 did, though I still feel like osu! thinks of me as a better player than I actually am.
Yasaburo wrote:
So I just lost 12pp after playing a map I had only played once before (about 3 minutes prior to that to be exact). I improved both my accuracy (and had fewer misses) and my combo. Also I didn't get any pp for my previous performance.
It's not a hard map at all and it was just to get warmed up really so I'm kind of confused as to what happened, I didn't expect it to influence my pp at all.
http://puu.sh/7iTA7.png
It doesn't bother me too much because pp isn't exactly important around my level but I thought I'd let you know since afaik PPv2 doesn't punish you for bad performances except when you overwrite an old score with worse accuracy etc.
If it was just due to another pp recalculation, please point me to the appropriate changelog entry.
Edit: Also, you did a great job on the new system overall, I haven't encountered any problems before this and I think it portrays my performance a lot better than PPv1 did, though I still feel like osu! thinks of me as a better player than I actually am.
PP dropped by ±18 after doing this. If anything, shouldn't it increase instead of decreasing?
PP recalculation?
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Ah, performance update. Perhaps some recalculation was done.
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/changelog?category=performance
Sorry, but that was the last system where farmers could prevail and FL was supreme.Squigly wrote:
And one thing, personally i believe that making it so rank on a beatmap doesnt matter is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Tom already discussed this on a previous post:Squigly wrote:
ive been playing and beating the harder maps in the game, people of my rank cant do it and people who are much higher than me cant do it either, just awake is not an easy beatmap to play at all to get a B on it isnt even that bad, im certainly no pro player but losing ranks from this? seriously? there are definitly balancing issues if that isnt considered a hard map. This is all i want to point out, i know like no one who has beaten dance with a number at my rank, regardless of my accuracy on it (which was awful) i didnt gain a single thing from it. Its not an easy accomplishment, especially fro someone of my rank.
After reading other posts i want to point out that i dont want to know how this works, i know how the system works, im trying to point out how much of a flaw this is that accuracy is so heavily weighted that i can lose ranks from doing well on beatmaps
Tom's reply to your last post
Accuracy is indeed heavily weighted but it does not determine everything. It is mainly a tie breaker like it should be.Tom94 wrote:
You're not gaining any pp, because appearently you already have many, many plays of that kind of level. Try to get better scores on harder maps if you want to further increase your pp.Squigly wrote:
These are a few things that have bothered me too the point where i really want to make a post about it....mainly complaining about it, so i can atleast get some sense out of it. I dont really want to be told why this happens for i know how the system is working right now i want to know why it is the way it is for this is clearly flawed.
This is just today, but it happens on a regular basis, i played this beatmap for example, got a decent combo stacked up and a decent score yet i had 87% accuracy, and the accuracy is basically what caused me to lose ranks after playing this. Considering my rank of 15k and the fact i did that well on it, i was very unhappy with being rewarded by losing ranks.
at this point im tired, so i decided to 3 mod a normal beatmap, why not right? Apparently thats a bad idea too, for getting a rank of 282 of 6900 must be bad, i lost even more ranks than for the previous one.
this keeps happening to me, and has been happening to me for weeks and weeks and i kept telling myself that this would be fixed but apparently not for i keep gaining and losing my ranks for no reason at all. IM half scared to post this because its mostly complaining but im too unhappy with all of these that i just need to.
Keep in mind, that scores with many misses and a low accuracy are not considered a good performance, regardless of map. You shouldn't get pp for getting a D on big black + DT + NoFail, too, as an extreme example.
The reason you are losing ranks is that other people don't just stop improving. If people surpass your pp, then they rank up and you rank down. Nothing to do with the scores you set.
I once did 98%, gained a couple of pp, great.Novixion wrote:
Accuracy is indeed heavily weighted but it does not determine everything. It is mainly a tie breaker like it should be.
Then I replayed it with Hidden mod, 96% accuracy, but score is higher than the previous one, lost around half of it.
I am not quite satisfied with this... but it can't be helped I think; only the highest score is stored and used as the pp calculation.
The amount of points gained is exponential from 96->97->98->99->100. So if you lose accuracy, you lose points, usually.s4nji wrote:
I once did 98%, gained a couple of pp, great.Novixion wrote:
Accuracy is indeed heavily weighted but it does not determine everything. It is mainly a tie breaker like it should be.
Then I replayed it with Hidden mod, 96% accuracy, but score is higher than the previous one, lost around half of it.
I am... not quite satisfied with this?
The thing is, when you get like 99.9% on a ~1000 objects map, that's like 1x100, right?s4nji wrote:
I once did 98%, gained a couple of pp, great.
Then I replayed it with Hidden mod, 96% accuracy, but score is higher than the previous one, lost around half of it.
I am not quite satisfied with this... but it can't be helped I think; only the highest score is stored and used as the pp calculation.
Now if you get 99.8%, that doesn't seem like a big difference, but it's 2x100, which is twice more 100s
99.7% would be 3x100, which is 3 times as more 100s, etc etc
And HD does nothing to compensate this, as accuracy isn't any harder with this mod, so the small aim bonus you'd get with it is outbalanced by the heavy loss of accuracy
Topic Starter
You can't lose pp from getting new scores as long as you don't beat an old score with worse accuracy / miss count or a recalculation is happening, period.Squigly wrote:
ive been playing and beating the harder maps in the game, people of my rank cant do it and people who are much higher than me cant do it either, just awake is not an easy beatmap to play at all to get a B on it isnt even that bad, im certainly no pro player but losing ranks from this? seriously? there are definitly balancing issues if that isnt considered a hard map. This is all i want to point out, i know like no one who has beaten dance with a number at my rank, regardless of my accuracy on it (which was awful) i didnt gain a single thing from it. Its not an easy accomplishment, especially fro someone of my rank.
After reading other posts i want to point out that i dont want to know how this works, i know how the system works, im trying to point out how much of a flaw this is that accuracy is so heavily weighted that i can lose ranks from doing well on beatmaps. But if it truly isnt going to9 affect your decisions with where to take this then i guess ill simply just stop.
The ranks you are losing do not come from making a new score, but from other people surpassing your rank. Your rank is merely not updated all the time, but only periodically and when you make a score.
Let me repeat once again, the system rates the quality of your performance. It is not intended to give a lot of points to plays on hard maps which you can barely pass. Imagine playing the piano. You don't perform in a concert with a damn hard piece, that you can barely play with quite a lot of mistakes.
And yeah, the difficulty judgement is not perfect, so you might find a few maps not getting rated 100% perfectly. Many of val's low-spacing high BPM maps like "with a dance number" or "scarlet rose" are underrated. :/
No it doesn't compare, stop smoking. SSing an Insane OD7 that's only 2 minutes sightread is absolutely totally incomparable unless your patience is absolutely unlimited thenFull Tablet wrote:
That map requires almost no aim at all, and it is pretty slow.NixXSkate wrote:
http://osutp.net/scores?pn=Winshley&bn=paraparamax
As for the accuracy. OD5 is relatively low.
According to the "expected unstable rate" formula:
SSing paraparaMAX is comparable to SSing a 2-minute Insane OD7 with 435 circles (considering you can retry paraparaMAX 2 times per hour of playing without breaks, and you can retry the Insane map 30 times).
Or SSing paraparaMAX is comparable to SSing an Insane OD7 with 105 circles (assuming each map was played only once and there weren't "lucky" plays).
Also do you seriously think an SS on an old 30 minute map should be only 26 acc tp? Only 2 people could SS it despite its popularity for a reason. Also the AR is the same as the OD. Might not mean shit in tp, but it certainly doesn't help.
After 50 pages people still haven't been able to understand:
1- You can't lose pp. If you happen to lose pp it's because there is some update going on or you beat one of your scores with another one that's worth less pp than your old one (dunno if this has been fixed yet, make ranks based on pp earned pls like osu!tp, ranked score is crap).
2- Rank does not mean pp, it's not the same to lose some ranks that to lose pp.
3- A map is not hard because you think it's hard, most osu! players can't even clear hard maps, like it or not the system needs to set up a standard, even if that means to hurt you because it constantly reminds you that you suck. If you are good you should be able, if interested, to climb through the ranks.
Just be patient, don't try to rush things, focus on getting better, that's the best way to get to a higher position, unless you are willing to really try hard.
4- You don't need to know how the system works to get better ranks, you need to play better, no way around it.
1- You can't lose pp. If you happen to lose pp it's because there is some update going on or you beat one of your scores with another one that's worth less pp than your old one (dunno if this has been fixed yet, make ranks based on pp earned pls like osu!tp, ranked score is crap).
2- Rank does not mean pp, it's not the same to lose some ranks that to lose pp.
3- A map is not hard because you think it's hard, most osu! players can't even clear hard maps, like it or not the system needs to set up a standard, even if that means to hurt you because it constantly reminds you that you suck. If you are good you should be able, if interested, to climb through the ranks.
Just be patient, don't try to rush things, focus on getting better, that's the best way to get to a higher position, unless you are willing to really try hard.
4- You don't need to know how the system works to get better ranks, you need to play better, no way around it.
Totally agreeWishy wrote:
You don't need to know how the system works to get better ranks, you need to play better, no way around it.
Unfortunately, a very large part of that reason is the ridiculously awful timing of the map, which pp doesn't and shouldn't account for.NixXSkate wrote:
Only 2 people could SS it despite its popularity for a reason.
I'm not saying Winshley's play wasn't more impressive than its tp value indicates - the difficulties involved just aren't something pp measures.
Then how about getting a new rank on a random insane, then getting inside rank 1000 with a 99% acc+ then losing pp (1-5pp)?Wishy wrote:
If you happen to lose pp it's because there is some update going on or you beat one of your scores with another one that's worth less pp than your old one (dunno if this has been fixed yet, make ranks based on pp earned pls like osu!tp, ranked score is crap).
That "can't lose pp" is such the case during the past system but something is different now. There are even people losing 3 digit pps for some random reason
If you lose pp from a completely new rank, you are seeing the effects of algorithm changes. There is no correlation at all with your new score, it just triggered the update on your stats.
I completed a map with half a star with half time, no fail and easy and gained ranks, yet when I play an "insane" or "hard" map I actually lose ranks. Where do I complain about this? I might as well just SS easy maps only to get a higher rank.
Ever since I got through airman (only a day or 2 ago) without any mods, it has felt as though every score has taken my rank down but simultaneously upped my pp. Tell me, am I drunk, is the pp system favoring accuracy more, or am I AND the pp system drunk? (recently DT'D a hard with 1 miss > +2pp but rank went down by 30, this triggered my need to stare at the rank)
You probably don't get enough pp and people are outranking you in the meanwhile
as a small side note for the new star system (which I think is a good improvement), new qualified maps aren't being rated properly. (or is it supposed to be that way?)
Kunino Sagiri wrote:
Then how about getting a new rank on a random insane, then getting inside rank 1000 with a 99% acc+ then losing pp (1-5pp)?Wishy wrote:
If you happen to lose pp it's because there is some update going on or you beat one of your scores with another one that's worth less pp than your old one (dunno if this has been fixed yet, make ranks based on pp earned pls like osu!tp, ranked score is crap).
That "can't lose pp" is such the case during the past system but something is different now. There are even people losing 3 digit pps for some random reason
Wishy wrote:
If you happen to lose pp it's because there is some update going on or you beat one of your scores with another one that's worth less pp than your old one (dunno if this has been fixed yet, make ranks based on pp earned pls like osu!tp, ranked score is crap).
When I play the top ranks of people above me, its usually some map that's just slightly above my skill level that I have to beat. I'm surprised at how accurate it is now at gauging challenge. I'm climbing ranks much much slower now though, but it's about the journey- not the horizon.
IamNotgod_old
Yeah, I noticed that too. For example, one of my friends who played mostly DT maps with low 90s accuracy suddenly got 95% overall accuracy after the most recent recalculation. Also, all his DT scores got removed from his top performances aside from the only one he had a FC on (he only dropped ~500 ranks though from 14.5k to 15k). So his new top performances are just full combos that he himself said don't even feel like his best. On those new top performances, there were medium jumps at medium speeds with streams. We both feel that those are underwhelming to his fast, full-screen jumps in his DTs that lack many streams and have a little less accuracy. While having accuracy as a bigger factor is good and all, we should consider that good aim and good speed can also be had without such accuracy, which the current system doesn't seem capable to account for.Brimroth wrote:
Ever since I got through airman (only a day or 2 ago) without any mods, it has felt as though every score has taken my rank down but simultaneously upped my pp. Tell me, am I drunk, is the pp system favoring accuracy more, or am I AND the pp system drunk? (recently DT'D a hard with 1 miss > +2pp but rank went down by 30, this triggered my need to stare at the rank)
It's really depressing that people will ask the same question that Wishy gave an answer for, ON THE SAME PAGE, and the next page... a few more times... and has been answered in numerous separate topics, and previously in this thread by other people MULTIPLE times.
Your rank does not update every second, or hour, or even day. The act of making a new score forces an update of your rank. Sometimes it can not be updated for up to 3 days, in my case, then I make a new score and it updates and I "lose" 50 ranks. People passed me in PP while I wasn't playing. How hard is that to grasp?
There are only 2 ways you can lose PP... when the algorithm updates, or you make a worse performance overwriting an existing score. You lose ranks all the time, because everyone else is increasing their PP faster than you... BY PLAYING THE DAMN GAME AND GETTING BETTER INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT IT.
Unless you're Jesus, you won't get PP doing that.
Your rank does not update every second, or hour, or even day. The act of making a new score forces an update of your rank. Sometimes it can not be updated for up to 3 days, in my case, then I make a new score and it updates and I "lose" 50 ranks. People passed me in PP while I wasn't playing. How hard is that to grasp?
There are only 2 ways you can lose PP... when the algorithm updates, or you make a worse performance overwriting an existing score. You lose ranks all the time, because everyone else is increasing their PP faster than you... BY PLAYING THE DAMN GAME AND GETTING BETTER INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT IT.
Sigh...IamNotgod wrote:
For example, one of my friends who played mostly DT maps with low 90s accuracy suddenly got 95% overall accuracy after the most recent recalculation. Also, all his DT scores got removed from his top performances aside from the only one he had a FC on
Unless you're Jesus, you won't get PP doing that.
I've not seen this asked yet. How much does the spinner mod affect pp?
Probably counts as a normal hit in terms of accuracy. Might contribute to speed?ntaig wrote:
I've not seen this asked yet. How much does the spinner mod affect pp?
Tom94 wrote:
Spinners are included as having to aim to the center and move a big. They are pretty much negligible. SpunOut multiplies the pp you gain from that particular score by 0.95.-ArmoredTitan- wrote:
3. Are spinners included in the PP formula? Also, would Spun Out affect your PP gain?
Outranking shouldn't matter now, that it is 100% based on the difficulty algorithm, unless it was changed into back into ranks mattering (which I personally disapprove of)GoldenWolf wrote:
You probably don't get enough pp and people are outranking you in the meanwhile
Edit: Brimroth achieved rank #283 on Rabpit - Sanctity [Hard] (osu!) this is the map, I just FC'd it with DT getting the rank you see, losing 23 ranks as I did it, but still acquiring 2 pp. Tom94, fix this please.
are you serious?
All right guys.
What you need to realise is that there are others playing this game, and their rank can influence yours. How? If they're below you in overall rank (NOT A RANK ON A MAP) and then increase to being above you, you will drop 1, because now one more person is above you.
Now, there are a lot of people playing this game and so often many more than just one person will pass you overnight. When you then again play a song, your rank updates. You'll drop ranks because you gained no pp yet others passed you while you weren't playing/getting pp.
your rank does NOT update real-time, it updates EVERY TIME you set ANY KIND OF SCORE. So if it's been 24 hours since your lasts core, that's 24 hours of changes. Often at least one person will have passed you.
What you need to realise is that there are others playing this game, and their rank can influence yours. How? If they're below you in overall rank (NOT A RANK ON A MAP) and then increase to being above you, you will drop 1, because now one more person is above you.
Now, there are a lot of people playing this game and so often many more than just one person will pass you overnight. When you then again play a song, your rank updates. You'll drop ranks because you gained no pp yet others passed you while you weren't playing/getting pp.
your rank does NOT update real-time, it updates EVERY TIME you set ANY KIND OF SCORE. So if it's been 24 hours since your lasts core, that's 24 hours of changes. Often at least one person will have passed you.
are you implying that 30 people passed me (or the others, haven't read the thread) by more than 2 pp in about 2 hours?PlasticSmoothie wrote:
All right guys.
What you need to realise is that there are others playing this game, and their rank can influence yours. How? If they're below you in overall rank (NOT A RANK ON A MAP) and then increase to being above you, you will drop 1, because now one more person is above you.
Now, there are a lot of people playing this game and so often many more than just one person will pass you overnight. When you then again play a song, your rank updates. You'll drop ranks because you gained no pp yet others passed you while you weren't playing/getting pp.
your rank does NOT update real-time, it updates EVERY TIME you set ANY KIND OF SCORE. So if it's been 24 hours since your lasts core, that's 24 hours of changes. Often at least one person will have passed you.
It's 6:39PM UTC now, this is the online users count:Brimroth wrote:
are you implying that 30 people passed me (or the others, haven't read the thread) by more than 2 pp in about 2 hours?PlasticSmoothie wrote:
All right guys.
What you need to realise is that there are others playing this game, and their rank can influence yours. How? If they're below you in overall rank (NOT A RANK ON A MAP) and then increase to being above you, you will drop 1, because now one more person is above you.
Now, there are a lot of people playing this game and so often many more than just one person will pass you overnight. When you then again play a song, your rank updates. You'll drop ranks because you gained no pp yet others passed you while you weren't playing/getting pp.
your rank does NOT update real-time, it updates EVERY TIME you set ANY KIND OF SCORE. So if it's been 24 hours since your lasts core, that's 24 hours of changes. Often at least one person will have passed you.
It can go as high as 10-11k from what I've seen, probably higher.
Do you really think 30 people is a lot? There is many people that are better than you, get over it.
sDraxuss wrote:
It's 6:39PM UTC now, this is the online users count:Brimroth wrote:
are you implying that 30 people passed me (or the others, haven't read the thread) by more than 2 pp in about 2 hours?
It can go as high as 10-11k from what I've seen, probably higher.
Do you really think 30 people is a lot? There is many people that are better than you, get over it.
I don't mind people being better than me, I mind the fact that it felt as though the system had messed up, but then I played an easy stream map and got like 40pp and figured screw blaming the system.
IamNotgod_old
I don't understand why you would just discount that. No, he's not as good as you in the top 1000s, but he was still a decent player at least at 14k. Literally 7/10 of his top performances were non full combo DTs before the most recent update. I'm not complaining that the updates made him lose rank. In fact, he barely lost any. All that I was saying is that his new top performances don't seem to show what he is good at. Now it shows some easy-medium difficulty FCs with only average accuracy. Nothing shows what we both consider to be his best plays. I remember seeing something along the lines of some profile page rework maybe in the feature requests. Perhaps we could also include a new, separate section for the profile where a user can select 10 performances that they themselves feel showcase their own skill rather than only the 10 giving the most pp being shown.RaneFire wrote:
Sigh...IamNotgod wrote:
For example, one of my friends who played mostly DT maps with low 90s accuracy suddenly got 95% overall accuracy after the most recent recalculation. Also, all his DT scores got removed from his top performances aside from the only one he had a FC on
Unless you're Jesus, you won't get PP doing that.
Is the new star system out? I noticed the star rating on some maps have already changed...
And I thought 5.00+ are hard to find...
And I thought 5.00+ are hard to find...
This thread isn't for people that are bad with math
or logic in general
or logic in general
I saw everything become [N], for normals, for a couple of minutes only 2 days ago. I was about to say "I can't even pass normals now" but then it was fixed to represent E/N/H properly with lower star values. Changelog says this was changed on the 27th Feb though, I guess there was some delay.Novixion wrote:
Is the new star system out? I noticed the star rating on some maps have already changed...
...
And I thought 5.00+ are hard to find...
Yeah very few maps are above 4 stars now, it's practically only the maps on the first page of "sort by difficulty."
I just made an assumption based on the zero info you gave. I don't know who he is, or what maps he's been playing. All I meant by "unless you're jesus" was that you would need some crazy speed just for the pp system to recognise your play if it is a low-acc, non-fc. General rule of thumb, as Tom has explained many times, is that it rates good performances first and foremost, not bad ones.IamNotgod wrote:
Literally 7/10 of his top performances were non full combo DTs before the most recent update. I'm not complaining that the updates made him lose rank. In fact, he barely lost any. All that I was saying is that his new top performances don't seem to show what he is good at. Now it shows some easy-medium difficulty FCs with only average accuracy.
Hypothetically I could only play DT on insanes and get 60-70% all the time, and then play an easier map and FC it and go WTF. I think it's a matter of what you think you can do, but the system doesn't see it that way.
It would be nice to implement the star system in-game, if possible.
Topic Starter
All planned.Keeby wrote:
It would be nice to implement the star system in-game, if possible.
I have a question: Did something change in the past few days about calculating pp? I have noticed, that i'm not getting any pp for songs that i finish without full comboing them. So basically after few hours of trying i finally beat a song that is difficult for me, only to see +0 pp. But then i full combo some relatively easy song on Nightcore (+HardRock/Hidden, depends), where the main problem is not to fall asleep during playing and i'm rewarded with at least some pp.
I remember, that finishing difficult songs (for your current level of skill/pp) was always highly rewarded. Was this changed?
The second explanation is, that my performance points simply caught up with me and now i'm where i'm supposed to be (which would, honestly, be quite sad :-))
Well, either way, thanks for any responses in advance and have a nice day everyone :-)
EDIT: Just tried it, played http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46004 on NC, first try, not even knowing how the beatmap actually looks: +1 pp Not even S rank, 93% accuracy. For something like this i'd expect to get +0, seems weird to me.
I remember, that finishing difficult songs (for your current level of skill/pp) was always highly rewarded. Was this changed?
The second explanation is, that my performance points simply caught up with me and now i'm where i'm supposed to be (which would, honestly, be quite sad :-))
Well, either way, thanks for any responses in advance and have a nice day everyone :-)
EDIT: Just tried it, played http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46004 on NC, first try, not even knowing how the beatmap actually looks: +1 pp Not even S rank, 93% accuracy. For something like this i'd expect to get +0, seems weird to me.
rank is not showing correctly for a long time, for example, it shows rank 1000 ingame but on site (rankings) it is 980, whats wrong? o.o
Rank isn't updating realtime now (Web)Commy wrote:
rank is not showing correctly for a long time, for example, it shows rank 1000 ingame but on site (rankings) it is 980, whats wrong? o.o
well, I dont think it is caused by updating because every single player (rrtyui, www and the others in top5 (?) no) has wrong rank written ingame, on site (profile), you can be #50 but it will still show #53 even if you never had this positionUltrayano wrote:
Rank isn't updating realtime now (Web)Commy wrote:
rank is not showing correctly for a long time, for example, it shows rank 1000 ingame but on site (rankings) it is 980, whats wrong? o.o
hakurei/shizuru/others that have temporary (i think) bans still have their ranks calculated etcCommy wrote:
well, I dont think it is caused by updating because every single player (rrtyui, www and the others in top5 (?) no) has wrong rank written ingame, on site (profile), you can be #50 but it will still show #53 even if you never had this position
I know I must be annoying or everything, but ...
It's OD 10, there is lots of jumps, and it's not really the easiest map possible, but ...
It's not DT, so no pp.
Why ? ...
Edit :
It's OD 10, there is lots of jumps, and it's not really the easiest map possible, but ...
It's not DT, so no pp.
Why ? ...
Edit :
Because those maps aren't hard, OD10 isn't hard in itself when you only have 1/2 through the maps
Example: http://osutp.net/scores?pid=475021&s=3
All those maps are OD9.8/10 and pretty much the same accuracy (there are even SSes on the bottom), the acc value can change a lot depending on how hard the map actually is
Example: http://osutp.net/scores?pid=475021&s=3
All those maps are OD9.8/10 and pretty much the same accuracy (there are even SSes on the bottom), the acc value can change a lot depending on how hard the map actually is
Well, i know that, but it's still hard for me, and pp was before something you gain when you improve.
I'm improving, because i'm doing scores i couldn't do before, and i'm not gaining anything.
It's like the game is saying i suck and i should stop playing, or go farm DT because now only DT is rewarded.
I'm improving, because i'm doing scores i couldn't do before, and i'm not gaining anything.
It's like the game is saying i suck and i should stop playing, or go farm DT because now only DT is rewarded.
Before pp was farming all day.Soinou wrote:
Well, i know that, but it's still hard for me, and pp was before something you gain when you improve.
I'm improving, because i'm doing scores i couldn't do before, and i'm not gaining anything.
It's like the game is saying i suck and i should stop playing, or go farm DT because now only DT is rewarded.
With the amount of pp you have and the accuracy of those scores, you wouldn't get much pp. To get accuracy pp you need >99%, which is why DT, which grants aim and speed, gives more points.
I'll assume they're mostly DT/speed based scores
The thing is, those HR scores you've set are far easier than all those DT scores, since the main gain of HR is accuracy, and those accuracies you've got being not so good, you won't gain much/anything from them
Yeah, so in fact, it's all about DT, OR having 99% HR, which is kinda impossible for me right now.
So, in the end, i must DT, or do nothing at all ?
Pretty good ranking system, yeah
So, in the end, i must DT, or do nothing at all ?
Pretty good ranking system, yeah
Okay let's be honest, 97% OD10 is trash because it like OD8 SS, which is trivial (especially on those maps full of 1/2s / no stream)
This system rewards good performance, not crappy ones
If you can't get high accuracy, don't blame the system for not rewarding you; instead improve your accuracy and get some decent scores
This system rewards good performance, not crappy ones
If you can't get high accuracy, don't blame the system for not rewarding you; instead improve your accuracy and get some decent scores
DT players saying it's too easy to get points with DT and too hard with HR
HR players saying it's too easy with HR and too hard with DT
hmmmmmmmmmm
HR players saying it's too easy with HR and too hard with DT
hmmmmmmmmmm
The difference is, that SS'ing OD8 gives a lot of accuracy points, while OD10 97% gives practically nothing.GoldenWolf wrote:
Okay let's be honest, 97% OD10 is trash because it like OD8 SS, which is trivial (especially on those maps full of 1/2s / no stream)
This is a pretty good point.Novixion wrote:
With the amount of pp you have and the accuracy of those scores, you wouldn't get much pp. To get accuracy pp you need >99%, which is why DT, which grants aim and speed, gives more points.
In fact DT increases all the attributes, even accuracy, but not as much as HR does. HR will mostly increase accuracy, so with the way the system works at present, DT is pretty much the way to go, unless you can SS OD10 like thelewa.
I don't know exactly how pp handles OD or how it treats SS, but if you can consistently get 97% on OD10, then, assuming your hits are normally distributed and centered on the correct timing, you can consistently get > 99.9% on OD8. If 97% OD10 isn't giving comparable pp to OD8 SS (I don't know if it does or not), that's unfair to HR players.Ziggo wrote:
The difference is, that SS'ing OD8 gives a lot of accuracy points, while OD10 97% gives practically nothing.GoldenWolf wrote:
Okay let's be honest, 97% OD10 is trash because it like OD8 SS, which is trivial (especially on those maps full of 1/2s / no stream)
GhostFrog wrote:
I don't know exactly how pp handles OD or how it treats SS, but if you can consistently get 97% on OD10, then, assuming your hits are normally distributed and centered on the correct timing, you can consistently get > 99.9% on OD8. If 97% OD10 isn't giving comparable pp to OD8 SS (I don't know if it does or not), that's unfair to HR players.
Problem with this... is that it's only a margin for error, and thus scoring.GhostFrog wrote:
If 97% OD10 isn't giving comparable pp to OD8 SS (I don't know if it does or not), that's unfair to HR players.
People playing OD8 maps with high accuracy could very well be hitting as accurately as OD10 players, but it doesn't matter because it's within that margin anyway. HR increases other aspects as well, like circle size and AR, adding some stress to the situation, which could affect your accuracy unless you're completely comfortable with it. Not many players can read AR10 absolutely comfortably, even if they can perform well at AR10.
You can't look at it as though they only have a OD8 level of accuracy, even if that's what the scoreboard says. Even though it is kinda unfair at the moment, "how much" is debatable because any modification would be arbitrary and based completely on opinion. Silmarilen already mentioned that SS'ing YAMAGEN'S DEVILELIET - EYES OF DEVILELIET is much more difficult than any of his other scores, even though it's OD is lower. The HR players are rewarded in this case though. So the problem is obviously the opinion of "base accuracy skill."
People playing 180bpm stream maps could very well have the speed to play 240bpm stream maps. People playing a jump map nomod (or hey, with HR) could very well be hitting the exact center of every hitcircle and would still FC with CS13. It doesn't matter - a 180bpm stream map can't prove your ability to stream 240bpm and playing a CS4 map can't prove your ability to play CS7. While it's entirely possible some random person SSing OD8 would be getting high accuracy OD10 scores, playing OD8 doesn't test that and they deserve no extra reward for the *possibility* that they're better than their play demonstrates. If they want to be rewarded for good OD10 accuracy, they should find OD8 maps they can play with HR. It's unfortunate that HR will almost certainly make the map AR10 if the player can't read it, but the job of the ranking system isn't to determine whether or not the rules of the game make sense - it's to rate the performance of a player in a particular play.RaneFire wrote:
People playing OD8 maps with high accuracy could very well be hitting as accurately as OD10 players, but it doesn't matter because it's within that margin anyway.