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Kayla
I will offer criticism as I have when I am presented with change or some form of substance to criticize. I'm not complaining, I am criticizing as Silynn said. If you actually presented this idea to the community and were open to discussion for improvement since us as a community play and experience the ranking systems I believe that our feedback as users is extremely valuable. Dismissive "who cares" or "your mom" or "numbers are meaningless" comments are not helpful. They do not fuel a positive engaging conversation. When people have negative opinions, it's always taken as trolling or complaining, but I believe that a big part of being a good administrator is differentiating between the people who wish to start trouble, and the people who seek change or offer honest feedback, good or bad.
Myke B

Novixion wrote:

peppy wrote:

Also be goddamn excited. I have some interesting stuff planned and you should lighten up, calm down, and osu! on.
Is one of them now that more of our scores show up on our profiles? Like top 1000??
I have no idea why you would want that to be shown on your profile.

Silynn wrote:

Introducing change gets a hell of a lot easier if you say everything clearly from the beginning, I find.

I also disagree with the people being angry at the changes themselves (I am personally upset, but for different reasons), while disliking them is fine, yelling about it and using personal attacks gets nowhere.

But please do not confuse criticism as being angry, which a lot of people seem to be doing
soooooooooo true 100% would have saved a lot of threads.
PlasticSmoothie

peppy wrote:

Let's just leave it at this: Introducing change is *hard*. Even if you are making completely forward and beneficial progress, you are still going to piss a group off. people will still get pissed off when I restore the ranking later this week (roughly half of you, who had your rank decreased). I don't really have anything for you in this situation except to persevere as Rewben2 says. Learn and adapt; it's a very good skill to have.

Also be goddamn excited. I have some interesting stuff planned and you should lighten up, calm down, and osu! on.
I love new things. I don't care if this is gonna kill my rank or if it's gonna be worse than PPv1 was.

NEW THINGS ARE SHINY.
Purple

Myke B wrote:

I have no idea why you would want that to be shown on your profile.
Can't wait to show off my generic TV size [Easy] full combos I spent 600 plays each to achieve
Myke B

Purple wrote:

Myke B wrote:

I have no idea why you would want that to be shown on your profile.
Can't wait to show off my generic TV size [Easy] full combos I spent 600 plays each to achieve
holla
Wishy
Change isn't actually hard, when osu!tp came out nobody really had a problem with it since it worked pretty much fine. It's hard when you take like an year to develop a "revolutionary ranking system" which ends up being as bad as the other one.
Purple

Wishy wrote:

Change isn't actually hard, when osu!tp came out nobody really had a problem with it since it worked pretty much fine. It's hard when you take like an year to develop a "revolutionary ranking system" which ends up being as bad as the other one.
osu!tp wasn't forced on anyone

Also, I think you underestimate the difficulty of designing a ranking system that can work for every single player, including new ones.
Wishy
osu!tp would work on every level if it could use the whole score DB.
Purple
Oh. Okay
Wishy
I mean it's not like you have to develop a new idea, it's already there and it's been proven to work. Just take that and make it even better, you got access to every score in the game to do trial and error, it shouldn't be too hard to tweak some stuff you see doesn't work.

Not saying it should be easy but I think peppy is trying to reinvent dynamite rather than just use it.
Icyteru

chimeralolz wrote:

Obviously we just need ranked matchmaking. /s
we don't need the /s

because it would be 10x better, click find a match, wait to be matched up with people of similar rank, gain/lose elo based on outcomes
Myke B

Wishy wrote:

I mean it's not like you have to develop a new idea, it's already there and it's been proven to work. Just take that and make it even better, you got access to every score in the game to do trial and error, it shouldn't be too hard to tweak some stuff you see doesn't work.

Not saying it should be easy but I think peppy is trying to reinvent dynamite rather than just use it.
I think he is, but I mean at the end of the day it is still his game.
Zeraph
at the end of the day it is still his game but doesn't mean he won't displease his user base.
JappyBabes

[AirCoN] wrote:

chimeralolz wrote:

Obviously we just need ranked matchmaking. /s
we don't need the /s

because it would be 10x better, click find a match, wait to be matched up with people of similar rank, gain/lose elo based on outcomes
i'm confused as to how in the fuck a ladder system would be good for osu in any way
ClawViper
I think what caused the shitstorm was a lack of good PR. If peppy had explained things clearly that visible ppv2 that day was broken to the maximum and does not reflect the real future ranking system, and addressed the concerns and complaints politely, I doubt the outrage would be so big.
NotCookie
ITT: "I don't like this change because my rank went down"

If you're a competitive person, you should have no problems with working your way back up the rankings, to where you think you deserve to be. Unless you're afraid that you can't do it again...
danielaover
I agree, but it's a bit complicated. Some peoples to play so much time and now, there aren't ranks. :]
TakuMii

ClawViper wrote:

I think what caused the shitstorm was a lack of good PR. If peppy had explained things clearly that visible ppv2 that day was broken to the maximum and does not reflect the real future ranking system, and addressed the concerns and complaints politely, I doubt the outrage would be so big.
People like to ignore any public announcements though. I swear the last time ppv2's listings were up, peppy put huge, bold, all-caps scrolling text on top of the page about it being unfinished and people still complained about its inaccuracy. So I doubt that better communication would've made a difference.

Maybe if the game shoved info on important changes like this in your face on the main menu... that'd be the best way to inform people, but it would be somewhat intrusive.
Rewben2

JappyBabes wrote:

i'm confused as to how in the fuck a ladder system would be good for osu in any way
I don't see why it wouldn't be? At least explain why you think it would be bad. There's other rhythm games that have 1v1 modes, and using a 1v1 mode you can easily establish a ladder based on an elo system or something.
Yabuki Nako

PlasticSmoothie wrote:

NEW THINGS ARE SHINY.
^ this.
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