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Rewben2
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Joined November 2012
Rewben2
:P

Zeraph wrote:

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It says it adds the aim/speed/accuracy for a score. Ok yeah, I follow.


The last step after computing score rating is to collect all of the aim, speed and accuracy scores from every player. The scores are then sorted decreasingly by their value and the best ones form each player's tp rating in aim, speed or accuracy respectively. To make it clear: aim, speed and accuracy ratings are calculated separately.
Each player's total tp rating is simply the sum of his/her aim, speed and accuracy rating.
It gets the scores from all players and sorts them decreasingly, so whoever does better has a higher score. So that means that that if people were ranked #300 or so in osutp, they would have to be getting little points?

Yeah, the link doesn't explain how its weighted, which is what I don't know.
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Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

Rewben2 wrote:

Almost wrote:

Lolwut? One of the problems with tp is that it's difficult for low ranked players.
I said that?
No you didn't?
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

silmarilen wrote:

lets say you have some scores
rating in aim speed and acc
90 90 90
80 80 80
and so on

what happens now is that the tp each of the maps gives is (actual tp)*0.85^(rank-1) (i think, could also just be rank)
so that means the 2nd score only gives 80*0.85^1m or 80*0.85 tp to each stat, by the time you get to rank 20 (lets assume its worth 30 in each stat) it would be 30*0.85^19, which is 1.36, so its pretty much worthless already.

if your 200th rank had 20tp, it would be 20*0.85^199 which is less than 1 billionth.
Thankyou, a response that actually explains why you would be getting so little points. The link http://osutp.net/info doesn't explain that anywhere, all it says is "we add them together to get a score and whoever did better gets more", which really doesn't explain the weighted thing at all.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Almost wrote:

No you didn't?

Rewben2 wrote:

It would make it more appealing and easier to climb for casuals/worse players (who can't get top 50 in songs) though.

Rewben2 wrote:

it takes skill to get top 50 in most songs
I'm implying that it's harder for low ranked players...
Defacer
131 posts
Joined October 2011
Defacer
As much as I'm sure ppv2 system will be one very bad system when released(hope I am wrong), you guys should hold your complaints for when it's actually released.I don't know how to say it, there is a really high chance it will suck but at least give it a try and then complain about it, please.Also don't make up facts like "every next release is bad and it just doesn't feel like it's worth it", I don't remember peppy saying anything about different releases, there is just going to be one release, hopefully by the end of the week.
Soulg
575 posts
Joined February 2013
Soulg
at least the topic is on tp and not children whining that their numbers are getting replaced with different numbers
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

Rewben2 wrote:

Almost wrote:

No you didn't?

Rewben2 wrote:

It would make it more appealing and easier to climb for casuals/worse players (who can't get top 50 in songs) though.

Rewben2 wrote:

it takes skill to get top 50 in most songs
I'm implying that it's harder for low ranked players...

Almost wrote:

One of the problems with tp is that it's difficult for low ranked players.
Read what I wrote...
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Almost wrote:

Read what I wrote...
Uh, so you quoted me to point out something I already implied?

The whole "lolwut" made me think you were disagreeing with what I said... *shrugs*
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Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Soulg wrote:

at least the topic is on tp and not children whining that their numbers are getting replaced with different numbers
Derailing threads in a good way for days
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

Rewben2 wrote:

Almost wrote:

Read what I wrote...
Uh, so you quoted me to point out something I already implied?

The whole "lolwut" made me think you were disagreeing with what I said... *shrugs*

I was saying it's a problem with tp while you were saying it's good that only top 50 scores count. Are you autistic or something?
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Almost wrote:

I was saying it's a problem with tp while you were saying it's good that only top 50 scores count. Are you autistic or something?
I mentioned this as a benefit in my initial post...

When you quoted me and said "lolwut", I assumed you were disagreeing with what I was saying and your reason being "One of the problems with tp is that it's difficult for low ranked players." I had already mentioned this in my post so I was confused.

So yeah, you did quote me to repeat something I said, and now you're calling me autistic. Alright.

You also said "No you didn't?" to something that I did in fact say (or at least implied enough that any literate 10 year old could understand".
AmaiHachimitsu
1,639 posts
Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
Ok enough, guys above.




Now, will Peppy give answer to my suggestion?
Almost
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Joined May 2012
Almost

Rewben2 wrote:

Almost wrote:

I was saying it's a problem with tp while you were saying it's good that only top 50 scores count. Are you autistic or something?
I mentioned this as a benefit in my initial post...

When you quoted me and said "lolwut", I assumed you were disagreeing with what I was saying and your reason being "One of the problems with tp is that it's difficult for low ranked players." I had already mentioned this in my post so I was confused.

So yeah, you did quote me to repeat something I said, and now you're calling me autistic. Alright.
Yes, I'm disagreeing with the top 50 being a benefit for tp because low ranked players have problems with it. Having any ranking system omitting scores is a flawed one. Yes, I did see you mention it being more appealing for low ranked players but that was more of a side note.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Almost wrote:

Yes, I'm disagreeing with the top 50 being a benefit for tp because low ranked players have problems with it. Having any ranking system omitting scores is a flawed one. Yes, I did see you mention it being more appealing for low ranked players but that was more of a side note.
It was hardly a side note, I made a new paragraph for it at the end... Anyways, lets drop this, it was some confusion, but there's no need to call people autistic.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Ok enough, guys above.




Now, will Peppy give answer to my suggestion?
He doesn't run tp, but you could tweet @ him for an answer if you want. If the rankings are weighted so people who ranked like #200 really get such a low amount of tp and it can't be farmed like I thought it could, I have nothing against raising the required rank.
Full Tablet
2,542 posts
Joined September 2011
Full Tablet

Rewben2 wrote:

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Ok enough, guys above.




Now, will Peppy give answer to my suggestion?
He doesn't run tp, but you could tweet @ him for an answer if you want. If the rankings are weighted so people who ranked like #200 really get such a low amount of tp and it can't be farmed like I thought it could, I have nothing against raising the required rank.
It isn't based on the global score rank, it is based on the rank in the list of your scores.
For example:
A player has as best Speed Rank 100tp, and his second best is 80tp. Then both of those songs give 100+80*0.85 speed tp to the total of the player.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Full Tablet wrote:

It isn't based on the global score rank, it is based on the rank in the list of your scores.
For example:
A player has as best Speed Rank 100tp, and his second best is 80tp. Then both of those songs give 100+80*0.85 speed tp to the total of the player.

silmarilen wrote:

lets say you have some scores
first giving 90 aim, 2nd 80 aim
and so on

what happens now is that the tp each of the maps gives is (actual tp)*0.85^(rank-1) (i think, could also just be rank)
so that means the 2nd score only gives 80*0.85^1m or 80*0.85 tp to each stat, by the time you get to rank 20 (lets assume its worth 30 in each stat) it would be 30*0.85^19, which is 1.36, so its pretty much worthless already.

if your 200th rank had 20tp, it would be 20*0.85^199 which is less than 1 billionth.
???????????
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

Rewben2 wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

It isn't based on the global score rank, it is based on the rank in the list of your scores.
For example:
A player has as best Speed Rank 100tp, and his second best is 80tp. Then both of those songs give 100+80*0.85 speed tp to the total of the player.

silmarilen wrote:

lets say you have some scores
first giving 90 aim, 2nd 80 aim
and so on

what happens now is that the tp each of the maps gives is (actual tp)*0.85^(rank-1) (i think, could also just be rank)
so that means the 2nd score only gives 80*0.85^1m or 80*0.85 tp to each stat, by the time you get to rank 20 (lets assume its worth 30 in each stat) it would be 30*0.85^19, which is 1.36, so its pretty much worthless already.

if your 200th rank had 20tp, it would be 20*0.85^199 which is less than 1 billionth.
???????????
It's talking about rank when you sort your scores by aim/speed/accuracy.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2

Almost wrote:

It's talking about rank when you sort your scores by aim/speed/accuracy.
I see, I think I understand...
Seiuji
Seiuji
Why not just go back to the old Score Rankings for a while, eh peppy?
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
This isn't really going anywhere anymore, so I'm going to take the liberty of locking this before it gets further out of hand.

Pancake will (hopefully) be more than happy to answer any of your questions about osu!tp, and I am sure he is thrilled at all the extra attention his hard work has been getting these past few days. peppy's working to get the maintenance finished and hopefully not too many people will be disappointed with the results.

We do appreciate your concern though, and please don't think that we're trying to make this go away or anything, but there really isn't much more to say on the issue. Wait until the maintenance is done and then go nuts with the feedback, but please try to do so constructively instead of getting angry over it!
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