0_o wrote:

@Echo, imo you can't really blame him for getting defensive when every post you make attacks each sentence of his one by one

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

sorry, but this whole thing is making me a tad suspicious...

0_o wrote:

And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up

That's mostly because he hasn't had a chance to get on. When he did get on not much was going on. If I were you I'd wait like 14 hours until he has had a chance to post again.

(I'm not disagreeing with your reasoning; I'm just saying you may be a bit early. Then again you can always change your vote.)

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?

D= I didn't mean to.

Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.

Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.

0_o wrote:

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?

Echo wrote:

Don't dodge the question.

strager wrote:

You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that?

Okay, I will.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo is being über aggressive, but you've been that way in all the games so that doesn't really say anything. :>

Derekku Chan wrote:

bagelbob is just acting retarded.

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

Derekku Chan wrote:

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

Isn't she used to Warewolf games? (I dunno; I haven't followed this style of games much.) Does an early vote mean anything different there, where majority vote doesn't mean automatic lynch?
I don't think majority does anything. I'd have to reread through WWG rules, but I think it just goes until the day ends. An early vote in any game without discussion is usually stupid, but she DID vote after reading through, so I dunno.

strager wrote:

Also, your colours are ghey.

derekku wrote:

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

derekku wrote:

adam jumped in and voted for strager for voting for echo.

derekku wrote:

strager is mildly suspicious to me, but I still have doubts. He is a newbie to this game and could just be making mistakes. Or he knows what he's doing. Or he's mafia... hmm... Also, he voted Echo off the bat with no reasoning or discussion. wtf

Echo wrote:

Can you explain (in detail) how adam voting for you made you convince yourself that adam is townie?

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.

adam2046 wrote:

I have only found strager suspicious and more suspicious.
I vote Stra-oh I already did that ^_^

adam2046 wrote:

I have only played 2 of these games in my entire life.

adam2046 wrote:

I'm not voting you because you voted early, I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...That's why I was going to vote twice, I didn't actually realise I had voted on you.

Echo wrote:

derekku wrote:

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

The first two votes are called random votes. It's what you do at the start of the game. The vote for nardi was clearly indicated to be a temporary vote in order to get him to talk.

strager wrote:

I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.

adam2046 wrote:

I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.

Hold on a sec. You are claiming to be the doctor, yet you don't know why I'm not voting for you? I already said I believe you...

adam2046 wrote:

Oh, and with regards to adam's vote before:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.

If you followed any of the previous mafia/warewolf games, Echo got killed first or second day almost every game, so that's what he's referring to

adam2046 wrote:

Yes I say in that post.

adam2046 wrote:

I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Oh, and with regards to adam's vote before:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

But if you weren't the doctor, you wouldn't care.
dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?

D= I didn't mean to.

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

strager wrote:

I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia.

Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. You were absolutely totally completely convinced in the first quote that adam is not mafia.

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

adam2046 wrote:

I have only found strager suspicious and more suspicious.
I vote Stra-oh I already did that ^_^

strager wrote:

So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team [townie] is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.

adam2046 wrote:

Umm, I'll try...
le'see, I could be mafia and strager could be saying I'm definitley human because we are both mafia together?
That's about the only thing I feel like picking at.

strager wrote:

Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team [townie] is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.

Now he's backing out of the claim!

adam2046 wrote:

You're also starting to quote wrong.

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Oh, and with regards to adam's vote before:

Echo wrote:

Finally, the coup de grâce (in the same post):

strager wrote:

So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team [townie] is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.

Now he's backing out of the claim!

If anything, that final backing out solidifies my argument.

Echo wrote:

edit:
note to everyone: I've probably made just as many posts as strager has. If I can pick holes in strager's arguments and claims, then any lies, inconsistencies or logical fallacies I've made should also be just as evident. I encourage you to through and confirm or deny, for yourself, the authenticity of my train of thought.

Echo wrote:

So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.

I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.

Echo wrote:

First, you claim an important role.

Echo wrote:

Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.

Echo wrote:

First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.

BagelBob wrote:

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

strager wrote:

Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

BagelBob wrote:

I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!

kuu wrote:

I FORGOT AM I INVITED HERE---OH RIGHT IT'S THE WOLF GAME IM NOT IN.

BagelBob wrote:

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

BagelBob wrote:

Oh, and Derekku-Chan, this is a summary, not a suspicion list. However, I feel that I should apologize. I forgot that sarcasm can't be conveyed over the internets.

Echo wrote:

ISeriously, forget what I said about not bringing personal issues into the game; vote Kuwarudo. strager can go on day 2.

BagelBob wrote:

Also, I'd like to point out.

Echo wrote:

First, you claim an important role.

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874

Echo wrote:

Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897

Echo wrote:

First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180

Thus, I repeat

BagelBob wrote:

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.

There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).

So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.

I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.

Echo wrote:

That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.

Echo wrote:

First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.

0_o wrote:

I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent

0_o wrote:

as much as kuwarudo's posts can be annoying/pointless, I'm inclined to believe him in his villager claim, and I don't want to lynch a townie just so I don't have to skip over some useless posts. So (sorry) unvote Kuwarudo

0_o wrote:

I just don't have enough to go on to vote anyone right now, we need people to talk so we can get to know them and base decisions off of their arguments.

0_o wrote:

ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi.

Echo wrote:

derekku has posted about absolutely nothing. All the so-called votes he's pointing out as "suspicious" are random votes made at the start of the game.

Echo wrote:

Finally, the coup de grâce (in the same post):

strager wrote:

So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team [townie] is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.

Now he's backing out of the claim!

BagelBob wrote:

I'd also like to add

strager wrote:

Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.

BagelBob wrote:

Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.

Echo wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263

When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.

Echo wrote:

I've explained why I've been mixing and matching "claim" and "didn't claim" here:

Echo wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263

When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.

Echo wrote:

As for putting you on cop: I didn't (and still don't) believe you are doctor. Thus, since you so eagerly claimed doctor, when I don't think you are, your reluctance to mention anything to do with the cop after I suggested it makes me think there's something more to that.

0_o wrote:

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo write: Villagers don't lie about aux roles. (Nested quote limit, sorry.)

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.

There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.

I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).

strager wrote:

0_o seems to be very forgiving, and I'm not sure how to take this.

0_o wrote:

I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent

Well (at the time I wrote this at least) there was simply no one who set off any warning bells in my mind.

0_o wrote:

as much as kuwarudo's posts can be annoying/pointless, I'm inclined to believe him in his villager claim, and I don't want to lynch a townie just so I don't have to skip over some useless posts. So (sorry) unvote Kuwarudo

I voted for him because he was being annoying, saying he wanted to quit because he was a townie changed my mind; if he was threatening to quit (which he did) why would he lie?

0_o wrote:

I just don't have enough to go on to vote anyone right now, we need people to talk so we can get to know them and base decisions off of their arguments.

0_o seems to stay away from the fray, even though he encourages it. He slips under the radar in most of his posts.
erm, what? Besides you and Echo I'm pretty sure I've contributed the most to this game out of the players so far. Though granted most of my posts have been on the topic of keeping you around

0_o wrote:

ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi.

He doesn't state how he came to this conclusion and how he ruled out anyone as being pro-Town.
"Diagnosed" was in quotations because it was mainly just my instincts/first impressions of the 2 or 3 posts each person (again, besides you and Echo) made so far. It definitely isn't "official", it's just those were the two people who when I read through made me go "mm, I dunno about this guy..."

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

I've explained why I've been mixing and matching "claim" and "didn't claim" here:

Echo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263

When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.

I don't believe you there.

strager wrote:

Why I mentioned the Cop is simple: he must exist assuming my conclusion on which roles are in the game is correct. Thus, I would use your knowledge that role-claiming is disadvantageous for a Town player, and advantageous for the Cop himself and a Mafia.

strager wrote:

However, in my previous post I have stated that BagelBob believes claiming Doctor is a good idea, so this may apply to the Cop but I am not sure.

Echo wrote:

Do you really think it's that hard to keep track of saying whether you claimed doctor or not, unless there was a reason behind mixing claim with not claim?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Why I mentioned the Cop is simple: he must exist assuming my conclusion on which roles are in the game is correct. Thus, I would use your knowledge that role-claiming is disadvantageous for a Town player, and advantageous for the Cop himself and a Mafia.

You're drawing conclusions from Suburu's pregame story now? Any one of the four combinations are possible. There is absolutely no way you can tell which combination is being used in the game. Don't even try to go there.

Echo wrote:

What strikes me the most is how you repeatedly confirm you know adam is innocent, then suddenly back out of that claim when I say it's impossible for you to know that. This is what makes me think with almost 100% certainty that you are mafia.

Echo wrote:

So I'm throwing things at strager.

But don't just sit back, say, and I quote, I "need to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him."

THEN THROW THINGS AT ME. BUT BE DAMN SURE YOU BACK IT UP WITH QUOTES FROM THIS THREAD.

LIKE I DID. LIKE STRAGER DID. LIKE 0_o DID. LIKE BAGEL DID. He's enjoying the game. I'm enjoying the game. We're all enjoying the game. If you're not, get out.

Echo wrote:

Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo wrote:

Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.

You had a right to, though. *hugs Echo* =)

Derekku Chan wrote:

Okay, I'm gonna click off this topic for now. I'd rather not try and do any critical thinking at almost 2am.

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo wrote:

Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.

You had a right to, though. *hugs Echo* =)

Aww, gay love. <3

LadySubaru wrote:

Edit: Deadline next Thurs at 6:00 PM

strager wrote:

By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.

strager wrote:

----------

Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.

adam2046 wrote:

Oh and I didn't realise 0_o changed his vote yet again without reasoning (and to me of all people!...jk)
I don't remember making a Monty Python reference...

0_o wrote:

Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut

lol?

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.

This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.

Echo wrote:

First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?

strager wrote:

Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

strager wrote:

I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.

BagelBob wrote:

Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.

strager wrote:

Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.

I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?

Echo wrote:

None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie, and no one should be able to confirm this. Yet strager claims to believe, and has managed to convince himself, that adam is townie. I suspect this is because strager is mafia and knows that adam is townie.

BagelBob wrote:

I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.

BagelBob wrote:

However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.

strager wrote:

strager wrote:

Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!

ohi adam! <3

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

On to my analysis of strager. he's obviously a noob, its hard to tell if his "claim" was actually intentional or not so im going to say...strager if you fully intended to claim the role of doctor when you supposedly did, please do so in bold in your next post.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

As for his repeated mistakes

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

The relative numbers of slip-ups made in the first game are pretty reasonably proportional to how intelligent the player is outside of the game, and strager's slips are out-of-proportion unless he has a serious mental disability that he's been hiding (take it as a compliment, strager, i think you're intelligent).

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

However if Echo is mafia than strager is not mafia, and vice versa, because both are intelligent and no intelligent mafia team would attack each other like that.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

0_o is doing a beautiful job of defending strager. there are really three possibilities. 1. strager and 0_o are both mafia - if Echo is mafia this is completely invalid. If Echo is town, either 0_o and strager are misled citizens or mafia. 2. strager is mafia and 0_o is a misled citizen. 3. strager and 0_o are both citizens.
based on tone, im guessing that 0_o is a citizen, but that doesnt give me any help at all as to identifying strager.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.

unvote
vote strager

nardi11011 wrote:

I'm not sure what to think of the current situation.

strager wrote:

Eek!

I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.

strager wrote:

strager wrote:

I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.

I was responding to this:

BagelBob wrote:

Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.

I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.

unvote
vote strager

Eek!

I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

strager wrote:

I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.

I was responding to this:

BagelBob wrote:

Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.

I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.

unvote
vote strager

Eek!

I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.

this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.

BagelBob wrote:

Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?

S: Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say ... he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
E: adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia.
S: I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target.
E: [quoting first line] Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced.
S: I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
E: So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie?
S: You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that? Okay, I will.

strager wrote:

D= I didn't mean to.

strager wrote:

I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.

Echo wrote:

btw - strager, can you claim doctor in bold without using a negative sentence construct? Something like "claim: doctor"

strager wrote:

D= I didn't mean to.

strager wrote:

I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.

SFG wrote:

Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened.

Echo wrote:

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.

Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Echo wrote:

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.

Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.

and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this.

Echo wrote:

I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context.

Echo wrote:

I was quoting the whole post, which you admit applying your reply to. You refused to answer/comment on my statements/questions, one of which was the conversation in the quoted text. Since it applied to all my questions/statements, I don't think it's out of context?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?

D= I didn't mean to.

Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.

Echo wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.

Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?

adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Why am I being voted if you want to lynch Echo or strager?
Can I have some follow up points on how I'm suspicious?