In Paris people shit inside the metro.sametdze wrote:
mate you cant vomit inside of the actual train station you vomit inside a bin
In Paris people shit inside the metro.sametdze wrote:
mate you cant vomit inside of the actual train station you vomit inside a bin
Because of the height of what's at the left on your post (pfp, name, etc.)sametdze wrote:
why the fuck is there a gap in all of my posts?
tf are you laughing atz0z wrote:
lmaooooo
The post above I guess?Ymir wrote:
tf are you laughing atz0z wrote:
lmaooooo
Behrauder wrote here:
The other day, I had a dream that AI discovered a way to transport people into the world of anime. When I arrived there, I met two blonde twin anime girls, one was shy, and the other was more serious (but still a little shy). I was interested in the more serious one, and when we went to the beach together, she told me she liked me, but then she admitted that she was Reyalp51 (what?!). I didn't respond right away and ended up leaving. I have no idea why I dreamed this, but I think it's because Reyalp is a femboy.
The day before, I had a dream that Achromalia had drawn an umbrella in this thread. I don't remember any more details. I think this happened because Achromalia had posted in that thread, and then I went to sleep worried that when I woke up, no one would have drawn anything.
I was going to post this on ITT 2, but I forgot, lol.
GPT-4.5 is currently only available for pro users (I'm on Plus). But based on other people's tests, it seems to be the most human-like model yet and also the most creative one. However, that's about it. It’s not a reasoning model, so it won’t excel in benchmarks. It’s not as impressive as expected (and it's extremely expensive), but its reduced confirmation bias is a great improvement. This model will be very useful for training future reasoning models, such as a potential o4 (though I doubt that will be the name).Kobold84 wrote:
@Behrauder
Share your opinion about gpt4.5 and claude3.7.
Yeah, I agree about the claude point, however the performance is really there. Tested it a bit and it outperforms 4.5 and does a better job of handling your input without too much handholding. It excels at understanding what you want rather than parsing your prompt too literally. GPT-4.5 is pretty much the same as its previous iterations which is disappointing. DeepSeek V3 right now seems clearly superior.Behrauder wrote:
GPT-4.5 is currently only available for pro users (I'm on Plus). But based on other people's tests, it seems to be the most human-like model yet and also the most creative one. However, that's about it. It’s not a reasoning model, so it won’t excel in benchmarks. It’s not as impressive as expected (and it's extremely expensive), but its reduced confirmation bias is a great improvement. This model will be very useful for training future reasoning models, such as a potential o4 (though I doubt that will be the name).Kobold84 wrote:
@Behrauder
Share your opinion about gpt4.5 and claude3.7.
As for Claude 3.7, Anthropic doesn’t seem to care about free users, and arguably, it doesn’t care much about anyone who isn’t using the API. Claude is clearly an LLM designed for developers rather than general use. For frontend development, it is far better than any other LLM, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. The problem is that if you request even a simple code (maybe what I consider simple isn't exactly simple), you'll likely hit your message limit after just two uses (and from what I understand, you'll have to start a new chat...). Because of this, Claude isn't really usable unless you’re accessing it via the API.
I'm excited to see what DeepSeek R2 will be able to do.
Same, half the games I play are PS1/2, the rest are mostly games that run on a potato.Serraionga wrote:
i have an rtx 4070 and i have been using it to emulate nintendo ds games for the past 2 months
The only games that matter.
I mean, as long as you don't claim them as legitimate like spaceUK that's fineBluePyTheDeer_ wrote:
I might have ShowcaseUK'd some impossible levels.
you go to a place further than the universeBehrauder wrote:
I still can't get past Earth, so how did eblf (Nuuskamuikkunen) already finish the Universe? I believe it's a hack...
Anyway, if you are eblf and you're reading this: what happens when you finish the Universe? Do you die? Do you become god? Do you get an achievement for it? Is there a restart button?
sametdze wrote:
something about that "waaahhh" sound at the end scratches my brain
It was surprisingly short, now I need to finish multiverse.Behrauder wrote:
I still can't get past Earth, so how did eblf (Nuuskamuikkunen) already finish the Universe? I believe it's a hack...
Anyway, if you are eblf and you're reading this: what happens when you finish the Universe? Do you die? Do you become god? Do you get an achievement for it? Is there a restart button?
with these result it's being taught how to win the game not how to play the gameBehrauder wrote:
oh waiiit this is a tiny bit different... your sense of harmony(?) might be improving :OO slow but appropriate development and pace, its a little more thoughtful and pensiveAireunaeus wrote:
Behrauder wrote:
I decided to test a new feature in Google AI Studio, and this happened...
Time for you to touch grassKarmine wrote:
After months of being at 990+.
Never.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Time for you to touch grassKarmine wrote:
After months of being at 990+.
synthwavesquid wrote:
deltarune tomorrow
I won't use it for the manga, I just wanted to test this new update.Patatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.Kobold84 wrote:
Images work for me.
This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.
What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in terms of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.Behrauder wrote:
For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.Kobold84 wrote:
Images work for me.
This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.
Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.
I don't understand how the second image looks like the first one. The first one has a lot of details that wouldn't be practical to animate, so it's more common in fanarts than in animations. The second one looks more like anime because it's simpler, and... I don't know, it just feels more similar to real anime, I think.Kobold84 wrote:
What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in terms of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.Behrauder wrote:
For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.Kobold84 wrote:
Images work for me.
This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.
Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.
Ah, so you meant as in fanart VS animation, got it. The colors are reminiscent of the anime style, correct, but it's not really drawn that way. It feels like an imitation. One that could be drawn by humans, but still different from a real animated piece. It's hard for me to pinpoint as to why it appears to be that way, but I still see it as a fanart rather than an animation snippet.Behrauder wrote:
I don't understand how the second image looks like the first one. The first one has a lot of details that wouldn't be practical to animate, so it's more common in fanarts than in animations. The second one looks more like anime because it's simpler, and... I don't know, it just feels more similar to real anime, I think.Kobold84 wrote:
What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in terms of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.Behrauder wrote:
For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.Kobold84 wrote:
Images work for me.
This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.
Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.Cool image (unless you pay attention to the details, since there are many errors...)This model is the first one that can put anime characters in real life!:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
piaYesWimpy Cursed wrote:
piaNo
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
Yeah, imo, AI is something that should only be in stories, not used for storiesPatatitta wrote:
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just passion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans
Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.Patatitta wrote:
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just passion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans
task failed succesfully???Wimpy Cursed wrote:
you failed on being neither funny
I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as thatabraker wrote:
Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.Patatitta wrote:
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just passion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans
I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.
Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.
Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.
I guess something needs to be made by AI that is capable of fooling you into thinking a human made it. This hypothetical point is not close yet, but I expect it to come, and I expect you to be surprised to find out something you would rate S tier is actually made by AI. I guess that's a kind of turring test.Patatitta wrote:
I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as thatabraker wrote:
Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.Patatitta wrote:
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just passion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans
I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.
Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.
Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.
AI falls apart the moment you think about it, and I don't read manga with my brain empty, I actively try to analyze and find meaning in it, and once again, you can't make AI drawings as well thought as what a really good artist can produce
if the only thing you consume is slop, then AI or not make no difference for you, but for me?, that isn't going to work
I don't think that's ever happeningabraker wrote:
I guess something needs to be made by AI that is capable of fooling you into thinking a human made it. This hypothetical point is not close yet, but I expect it to come, and I expect you to be surprised to find out something you would rate S tier is actually made by AI. I guess that's a kind of turring test.Patatitta wrote:
I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as thatabraker wrote:
Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.Patatitta wrote:
Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????abraker wrote:
If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the paneling would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaninglessabraker wrote:
I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggestedPatatitta wrote:
AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!
also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you
visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so
also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.
However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.
There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.
about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just passion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans
I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.
Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.
Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.
AI falls apart the moment you think about it, and I don't read manga with my brain empty, I actively try to analyze and find meaning in it, and once again, you can't make AI drawings as well thought as what a really good artist can produce
if the only thing you consume is slop, then AI or not make no difference for you, but for me?, that isn't going to work
kinda hard to actually tell if it's ai vs a 3d generationabraker wrote:
Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?Behrauder wrote:
Please keep the OT!Museum out of the AI slopBehrauder wrote:
This is AI, so I don't think so...abraker wrote:
Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?Behrauder wrote:
But it's up to you to decide.
Good idea. I never really cared much about AI images, but things are getting more interesting now.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
90 euros for Mario Kart World wtfSerraionga wrote:
generative AI is shit and anything that comes out of it is shit too, not surprising actual artists want nothing to do with it
in other more relevant news the nintendo direct just finished some time ago. lots of cool stuff, silksong appearing for like 3 seconds, runedelta, gimmicks i don't care about, fromsoft exclusive (?? fucking why), Mario Car™. no new 3D mario though which is strange
Before that, I need to generate a few more images.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
This is serrai's post but unironically.Behrauder wrote:
Before that, I need to generate a few more images.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
This one?Karmine was probably joking (or misunderstood me) and wrote:
This is serrai's post but unironically.Behrauder wrote:
Before that, I need to generate a few more images.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
Yeah.Behrauder wrote:
This one?Karmine was probably joking (or misunderstood me) and wrote:
This is serrai's post but unironically.Behrauder wrote:
Before that, I need to generate a few more images.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
There is also thisBehrauder wrote:
Before that, I need to generate a few more images.Kobold84 wrote:
Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.
FUJITSU !!!sametdze wrote:
nissan, honda, mitsubitshi, subaru hits hard
people search for levels called "straight fly", plus, it's been out the longest. If not any of your levels is rated, dont' expect quality to matterBluePyTheDeer_ wrote:
How the hell does my first published level in GD (Straight Fly) have more downloads than any of my more serious projects?
Well thenPatatitta wrote:
people search for levels called "straight fly", plus, it's been out the longest. If not any of your levels is rated, dont' expect quality to matterBluePyTheDeer_ wrote:
How the hell does my first published level in GD (Straight Fly) have more downloads than any of my more serious projects?
heheSerraionga wrote:
community/forums/topics/2064464
community/forums/topics/2064535
can any of you mods also edit the main post of these (and future ones) so the link to their team is broken or some shit. kinda like this. it'd be funnier that way
That'll teach them heheabraker wrote:
heheSerraionga wrote:
community/forums/topics/2064464
community/forums/topics/2064535
can any of you mods also edit the main post of these (and future ones) so the link to their team is broken or some shit. kinda like this. it'd be funnier that way