No need to read all that, vote Polyspora
Hahaha no.Ymir wrote:
No need to read all that, vote Polyspora
Patatitta wrote:
Any non-GMT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can register to be a electoral candidate. The reason why GMTs are NOT included is because they're already part of the gov. So having a GMT be a president would just cause a dictatorship, as no separation of powers between gov and gmt would exist.
was enacted on the previous parliament electionsYmir wrote:
Was that always a rule or did the President just make that one up recently? I don't know I'm too lazy to look for the old posts.
Patatitta momentoigorsprite wrote:
after all these years, i can finally vote xd
approvedPolyspora wrote:
Me me me I want to participate!
he already has my vote 👍Polyspora wrote:
Patatitta momentoigorsprite wrote:
after all these years, i can finally vote xd
yeah I already knew thatigorsprite wrote:
he already has my vote 👍Polyspora wrote:
Patatitta momentoigorsprite wrote:
after all these years, i can finally vote xd
do you want to registerAshton wrote:
I will be the next president. Unless I'm not, but that's okay too
YesPatatitta wrote:
do you want to registerAshton wrote:
I will be the next president. Unless I'm not, but that's okay too
yesTateshina Eve wrote:
I'm not allowed to register or even vote. Can I still ask a question to the candidates?
okay addedAshton wrote:
YesPatatitta wrote:
do you want to registerAshton wrote:
I will be the next president. Unless I'm not, but that's okay too
not added, got itWinnyace wrote:
Cringe RP.
I kinda agree with Winnyace here, Its kinda true, if you have something that makes you feel unjustified then just email them right away lolWinnyace wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do. If you feel unjustified by something a GMT did, email support or the abuse email. That's why they exist.
1- gov isn't exclusively for handling gmt report casesJun Maeda wrote:
I kinda agree with Winnyace here, Its kinda true, if you have something that makes you feel unjustified then just email them right away lolWinnyace wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do. If you feel unjustified by something a GMT did, email support or the abuse email. That's why they exist.
literally not what they want, not what we want.Winnyace wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do.
I only counted 2 reasons not 3 you dumbassPolyspora wrote:
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I only counted 2 reasons not 3 you dumbassPolyspora wrote:
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are you blind you listed 3 numbers againPolyspora wrote:
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are you blind you listed 3 numbers againPolyspora wrote:
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Yea i mean thats true, but what if there was a case that GMT won't solve the problem and then you only have one choice to email them right away?Patatitta wrote:
1- gov isn't exclusively for handling gmt report casesJun Maeda wrote:
I kinda agree with Winnyace here, Its kinda true, if you have something that makes you feel unjustified then just email them right away lolWinnyace wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do. If you feel unjustified by something a GMT did, email support or the abuse email. That's why they exist.
2- there are less chances of getting a response by email than directly asking the gmt and saying why did you do this
my number 1 supporter here!!!Cerno wrote:
calvin has my vote
if there were a case where a gmt won't solve it and I believe it to be serious enough, yes, I would do a email, but I think it's better for everyone involved if we're able to settle things down before consulting the big manJun Maeda wrote:
Yea i mean thats true, but what if there was a case that GMT won't solve the problem and then you only have one choice to email them right away?Patatitta wrote:
1- gov isn't exclusively for handling gmt report casesJun Maeda wrote:
I kinda agree with Winnyace here, Its kinda true, if you have something that makes you feel unjustified then just email them right away lolWinnyace wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do. If you feel unjustified by something a GMT did, email support or the abuse email. That's why they exist.
2- there are less chances of getting a response by email than directly asking the gmt and saying why did you do this
Also i won't candidate myself to become OT president, im only here to discuss about it
Winnyace wrote:
Cringe RP.
Winnyace also wrote:
Indeed. It's funny how we think that we have a saying in what GMTs can do. If you feel unjustified by something a GMT did, email support or the abuse email. That's why they exist.
"violence is never the answer!" aah tateshina eveTateshina Eve wrote:
Friends, let's stay civil and stay safe! ♥
let behrauder's little ai pet/slave cookPatatitta wrote:
chatGPT will NOT be running for the elections
I assume you know that my post has nothing to do with ChatGPT running for election, and that your post was just meant to be funny, right?Patatitta wrote:
chatGPT will NOT be running for the elections
yesBehrauder wrote:
I assume you know that my post has nothing to do with ChatGPT running for election, and that your post was just meant to be funny, right?Patatitta wrote:
chatGPT will NOT be running for the elections
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
got u dawgAsian Warlord wrote:
my number 1 supporter here!!!Cerno wrote:
calvin has my vote
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
I don't get this post very well, I also just woke up, but if you're asking to run, you cant, as you're not a 2024 eras memeberShinRun wrote:
I will run for president and not pu to the actual election
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
people DID comment on the change, but it wasn't as a negative, people agreed with it. What has changed since then is that a few people have a really bad opinion on me.Ymir wrote:
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
It can't possibly be because of voting integrity or whatever, because everyone is just going to vote for their friends or vote based off the most retarded reasoning anyway.
Also this is like part 50 of me questioning how the President has this much power.
I don't think it's really that big of an issue to the point where ypi have to create quite an undemocratic rule. Everyone has their reasons for voting for a president, it's not great preventing votes over something like that.Patatitta wrote:
That rule was added to prevent people who haven't browsed ot in years to randomly come in, vote the only oldfag they recognize, and leave shortlyYmir wrote:
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
It can't possibly be because of voting integrity or whatever, because everyone is just going to vote for their friends or vote based off the most retarded reasoning anyway.
Also this is like part 50 of me questioning how the President has this much power.
I do think it's that big of a issue and I don't think it's undemocratic, if you haven't seen the state of ot you shouldn't be able to vote on the changes that should be taken. I don't think being recognized at some point of history as someone who talked in OT should give you that right. Also, you may say it's undemocratic because i'm removing the right of voting to certain people, but under the previous denizen system, where the gov subjectively chose who became or not denizen, it was even worse. You could legally just not give denizen who people you disliked and then have those persons not vote on the elections, not saying that it did happen (at least for that reason) but that's a big fucking problem. Under this system where the metric is purely objective there is no way I cant manipulate who gets to vote with very, very few exceptions (the gmt clause)Ymir wrote:
I don't think it's really that big of an issue to create quite an undemocratic rule. Everyone has their reasons for voting for a president, it's not great preventing votes over something like that.Patatitta wrote:
That rule was added to prevent people who haven't browsed ot in years to randomly come in, vote the only oldfag they recognize, and leave shortlyYmir wrote:
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
It can't possibly be because of voting integrity or whatever, because everyone is just going to vote for their friends or vote based off the most retarded reasoning anyway.
Also this is like part 50 of me questioning how the President has this much power.
Inactive members voting has never been a big issue in the past and unless there's some coordinated oldfag uprising (which can be noticed and avoided as unfair voting behaviour), an oldfag voting for a member, new or old, will not be detrimental. Saying 'you can't vote because you weren't in my eras thread' is silly for the following reasons:Patatitta wrote:
I do think it's that big of a issue and I don't think it's undemocratic, if you haven't seen the state of ot you shouldn't be able to vote on the changes that should be taken. I don't think being recognized at some point of history as someone who talked in OT should give you that right. Also, you may say it's undemocratic because i'm removing the right of voting to certain people, but under the previous denizen system, where the gov subjectively chose who became or not denizen, it was even worse. You could legally just not give denizen who people you disliked and then have those persons not vote on the elections, not saying that it did happen (at least for that reason) but that's a big fucking problem. Under this system where the metric is purely objective there is no way I cant manipulate who gets to vote with very, very few exceptions (the gmt clause)Ymir wrote:
I don't think it's really that big of an issue to create quite an undemocratic rule. Everyone has their reasons for voting for a president, it's not great preventing votes over something like that.Patatitta wrote:
That rule was added to prevent people who haven't browsed ot in years to randomly come in, vote the only oldfag they recognize, and leave shortlyYmir wrote:
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
It can't possibly be because of voting integrity or whatever, because everyone is just going to vote for their friends or vote based off the most retarded reasoning anyway.
Also this is like part 50 of me questioning how the President has this much power.
pushing it to 2023 wouldn't actually include any new active people in OT today, that was already brought up by kobold and they decided to check it.Ymir wrote:
Inactive members voting has never been a big issue in the past and unless there's some coordinated oldfag uprising (which can be noticed and avoided as unfair voting behaviour), an oldfag voting for a member, new or old, will not be detrimental. Saying 'you can't vote because you weren't in my eras thread' is silly for the following reasons:Patatitta wrote:
I do think it's that big of a issue and I don't think it's undemocratic, if you haven't seen the state of ot you shouldn't be able to vote on the changes that should be taken. I don't think being recognized at some point of history as someone who talked in OT should give you that right. Also, you may say it's undemocratic because i'm removing the right of voting to certain people, but under the previous denizen system, where the gov subjectively chose who became or not denizen, it was even worse. You could legally just not give denizen who people you disliked and then have those persons not vote on the elections, not saying that it did happen (at least for that reason) but that's a big fucking problem. Under this system where the metric is purely objective there is no way I cant manipulate who gets to vote with very, very few exceptions (the gmt clause)Ymir wrote:
I don't think it's really that big of an issue to create quite an undemocratic rule. Everyone has their reasons for voting for a president, it's not great preventing votes over something like that.Patatitta wrote:
That rule was added to prevent people who haven't browsed ot in years to randomly come in, vote the only oldfag they recognize, and leave shortlyYmir wrote:
Likely because nobody actually read it. Don't see why such an addition is needed, why should we exclude votes from denizens based off an irrelevant thread?Patatitta wrote:
since last year, since this rule was implemented for parliament and no one complained about it.Ymir wrote:
We're giving this shit some authority now? When, how, why?Patatitta wrote:
Any OT member who is included in OT!Eras 2024 can vote
It can't possibly be because of voting integrity or whatever, because everyone is just going to vote for their friends or vote based off the most retarded reasoning anyway.
Also this is like part 50 of me questioning how the President has this much power.
1. You don't need to post on OT to know what's going on. Especially in post 10th Gen, where nothing-ever-happens. Someone like ShinRun for example is still quite knowledgeable of OT, especially when you consider their involvemebt in parliament, and their vote should matter, regardless of if he fits in the silly activity monitor thread.
2. OT is quite simple to understand, a simple debate/mission statement is enough to get an oldfag in the loop on issues, assuming they read it. If they don't, I assume that doesn't really set them apart from other OT users since not all active people actually know about the politics here.
Addressing the comment on Denizenship and previous government bias, whilst there was obviously issues (ahem sleepy government), you're exaggerating how it really went down within those systems. Sure, someone may be biased against an individuals attainment of Denizen, but there was always push back within the parliament. Eventually people deserving in the diverse perspectives of the parliament would make it in.
Though I partially understand why you're incorporating Eras, I can't say I agree with it. At the very least you could push the eligibility for voting to be a bit higher, maybe allowing 2023 Eras users to also be allowed a vote.
i'm also giving the right to other people, for non-denizen to vote. Last year I gave the right to blushing for exampleCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
i don't remember you saying that when it happened to meCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
You deserved it and it's impressive you're still in denial after 2-3 yearsigorsprite wrote:
i don't remember you saying that when it happened to meCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
If I'm not mistaken, people didn't like you, and that's why you didn't become a denizen. This is an example of the flaw in the old denizen system, which Patatitta had pointed out.igorsprite wrote:
i don't remember you saying that when it happened to meCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
He managed to become denizen but got it removed for severly innapropriate behaviourBehrauder wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, people didn't like you, and that's why you didn't become a denizen. This is an example of the flaw in the old denizen system, which Patatitta had pointed out.igorsprite wrote:
i don't remember you saying that when it happened to meCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
Even if they were right about he being a bad person (I'm not saying they were or weren't), I don't think it's cool to hide the dark past of history (even though GMTs are professionals at it).Corne2Plum3 wrote:
He managed to become denizen but got it removed for severly innapropriate behaviourBehrauder wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, people didn't like you, and that's why you didn't become a denizen. This is an example of the flaw in the old denizen system, which Patatitta had pointed out.igorsprite wrote:
i don't remember you saying that when it happened to meCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Just removing right vote to people and even the right to candidate to some users IS undemocratic, whatever how long you keep yapping about it
deniedCorne2Plum3 wrote:
I submit my candidature to be president
And for what? That's not very democratic you know? This doesn't shows you as open minded you claimed to be literally 5 minutes ago?Patatitta wrote:
deniedCorne2Plum3 wrote:
I submit my candidature to be president
Humans are complex, openmindeness is not a concept where you either agree or disagree on all ideas, the fact that I disagree with this in specific doesn't make me a close minded person, also, you can't just go, "ha! they said this on the other thread and I know I can exaggerate the meaning of these words to force the outcome I want to see!", what did you expect?, to me to go "oh shit corne got me I got to let them run now it's true I said i'm open minded that removes my own free will in this situation"?, I don't think that is the case. Yes I don't like how you're acting, but that doesn't mean I can catalogue you with a thought so ilogical. The most likely alternative I can thing of is that you're still pissed off at me and this is just a silly tantrum you're throwingCorne2Plum3 wrote:
And for what? That's not very democratic you know? This doesn't shows you as open minded you claimed to be literally 5 minutes ago?Patatitta wrote:
deniedCorne2Plum3 wrote:
I submit my candidature to be president
I'm running from president, period.
holy shit almost missed that approvedReyalp51 wrote:
also scyla is a strong opponent you guys have to cook
Honestly I have a shit ton of example proving you're the most stubborn person I've even interacted with, completly unable to correct yourself or change your opinion. When we're arguing with you, you're always trying the others are wrong more rather than defending your point. Also refusing me just out of nowhere because "I'm GMT" is still bull shit. There was GMTs before, you know it. And for real, sumbmitting my candidature doesn't means I gonna win. You're not the one who decide who can participate or not, who can be president or not. Who's going to be president will be and always be decided by the vote. Your bullshit of excluding people then claim being elected "by the vote" is not democracy, this is disguised dictatorship. And don't use the fact I'm GMT because "I gonna establish dictatorship", because the one establishing the dictatorship is you. And for real you aren't eliminating real threats for you (last year you won against me legit, and the amount of people that aren't in OT!Eras 2024 are a minority), unless they are?Patatitta wrote:
Humans are complex, openmindeness is not a concept where you either agree or disagree on all ideas, the fact that I disagree with this in specific doesn't make me a close minded person, also, you can't just go, "ha! they said this on the other thread and I know I can exaggerate the meaning of these words to force the outcome I want to see!", what did you expect?, to me to go "oh shit corne got me I got to let them run now it's true I said i'm open minded that removes my own free will in this situation"?, I don't think that is the case. Yes I don't like how you're acting, but that doesn't mean I can catalogue you with a thought so ilogical. The most likely alternative I can thing of is that you're still pissed off at me and this is just a silly tantrum you're throwingCorne2Plum3 wrote:
And for what? That's not very democratic you know? This doesn't shows you as open minded you claimed to be literally 5 minutes ago?Patatitta wrote:
deniedCorne2Plum3 wrote:
I submit my candidature to be president
I'm running from president, period.
Changing your mind is impossible I know it. What I'm just doing isn't firing you from president, but giving the choice of ALL denizens to choose me as president, whatever you like it or not. I'm claiming my rights as OT! denizen, and I won't give up that easily this year.Patatitta wrote:
you're not really responding to the core of what I said in that post, in fact, I wonder, what's your endgame here?, I am very much closed to this one specific topic yes, and you realize it, in fact you claim i'm closed in most topics. So why are you trying and trying and trying?, posting your candidature after I said over and over and over that it would be rejected? Are you trying to change my mind?, the one thing you're claiming is impossible?, or are you trying to change the public perception to try to start a mob to take me down?, or do you just have no plan and are posting in a ravanged frenzy?
are you two serious? or just another rpCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Changing your mind is impossible I know it. What I'm just doing isn't firing you from president, but giving the choice of ALL denizens to choose me as president, whatever you like it or not. I'm claiming my rights as OT! denizen, and I won't give up that easily this year.Patatitta wrote:
you're not really responding to the core of what I said in that post, in fact, I wonder, what's your endgame here?, I am very much closed to this one specific topic yes, and you realize it, in fact you claim i'm closed in most topics. So why are you trying and trying and trying?, posting your candidature after I said over and over and over that it would be rejected? Are you trying to change my mind?, the one thing you're claiming is impossible?, or are you trying to change the public perception to try to start a mob to take me down?, or do you just have no plan and are posting in a ravanged frenzy?
so trying to change the public perception, got itCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Changing your mind is impossible I know it. What I'm just doing isn't firing you from president, but giving the choice of ALL denizens to choose me as president, whatever you like it or not. I'm claiming my rights as OT! denizen, and I won't give up that easily this year.Patatitta wrote:
you're not really responding to the core of what I said in that post, in fact, I wonder, what's your endgame here?, I am very much closed to this one specific topic yes, and you realize it, in fact you claim i'm closed in most topics. So why are you trying and trying and trying?, posting your candidature after I said over and over and over that it would be rejected? Are you trying to change my mind?, the one thing you're claiming is impossible?, or are you trying to change the public perception to try to start a mob to take me down?, or do you just have no plan and are posting in a ravanged frenzy?
I don't think you can call my term boringIAMACROBA wrote:
honestly, i don’t think people care near as much as they used to.
i think ymir is correct, nobody likely read the thread. the idea of the parliament and government and presidency and all of that died when nothing happened. nobody became denizen for months on end. we lost consistency and the only way people are going to care is if we carefully give people a second chance and pray someone will do something about the state of everything.
we can call shit undemocratic or democratic or whatever but honestly i dont think people much care
The last 2 years I’ve been in OT for, damn near nothing has happened since ghoulybits left and whoever the last forgettable president was didn’t do much to keep people entertained.
I hope you guys figure something out that works instead of bickering.
We need change, bad.
Literally more things were done by gov last year than in the 4 year prior, like remaking denizen and reviving it since it had died during previous gov, gmt report form etc.IAMACROBA wrote:
honestly, i don’t think people care near as much as they used to.
i think ymir is correct, nobody likely read the thread. the idea of the parliament and government and presidency and all of that died when nothing happened. nobody became denizen for months on end. we lost consistency and the only way people are going to care is if we carefully give people a second chance and pray someone will do something about the state of everything.
we can call shit undemocratic or democratic or whatever but honestly i dont think people much care
The last 2 years I’ve been in OT for, damn near nothing has happened since ghoulybits left and whoever the last forgettable president was didn’t do much to keep people entertained.
I hope you guys figure something out that works instead of bickering.
We need change, bad.
that would be ideal but sadly not something that I can enforceTateshina Eve wrote:
Please be especially careful of seating a president who's under legal age.
I don't think you were active during the first couple months when I did the big changes, after that I've been maitaining what I did and bumping some gov threads but it's true I didn't organize many events if any at all.IAMACROBA wrote:
Well I certainly don’t think your productivity is near to scale as any previous presidency.
Who was president before you? You’re right, my inactivity may cause a lapse in judgment.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ideal but sadly not something that I can enforceTateshina Eve wrote:
Please be especially careful of seating a president who's under legal age.I don't think you were active during the first couple months when I did the big changes, after that I've been maitaining what I did and bumping some gov threads but it's true I didn't organize many events if any at all.IAMACROBA wrote:
Well I certainly don’t think your productivity is near to scale as any previous presidency.
previous was EBLF who did became very inactive, in fact they never even held parliament elections and it was the previous parliament who truly got everything done, but yes, I do agree that it killed momentum hard.IAMACROBA wrote:
Who was president before you? You’re right, my inactivity may cause a lapse in judgment.Patatitta wrote:
that would be ideal but sadly not something that I can enforceTateshina Eve wrote:
Please be especially careful of seating a president who's under legal age.I don't think you were active during the first couple months when I did the big changes, after that I've been maitaining what I did and bumping some gov threads but it's true I didn't organize many events if any at all.IAMACROBA wrote:
Well I certainly don’t think your productivity is near to scale as any previous presidency.
Yeah eblf is cool, but he was completely useless as president lol.IAMACROBA wrote:
Okay, Patatitta, I sincerely apologize for confusing you with EBLF, and should EBLF read this someday, I do not think of you poorly, just your presidency.
dw, I accept your apoloiesIAMACROBA wrote:
Okay, Patatitta, I sincerely apologize for confusing you with EBLF, and should EBLF read this someday, I do not think of you poorly, just your presidency.
Karmine, thank you for correcting me.
I would like to help in whatever way I can, but I first need to read up on the history and current changes of the government and all of that, but I will keep my eye on this thread for the time being.
honestly i'm not quite sure, I guess depends on the ammount of questions submited?, if it's too much of a load I will divide it, but idk, i'm open to suggestionsburgernfat wrote:
about phase 2, will the questions be released in "batches" on a daily basis, similar to the last election or will they be released immediately when whitelisted?
I have no choice but to approveigorsprite wrote:
i want to participate
LMAOOOOO THIS ELECTIONS ARE GONNA BE HEATEDigorsprite wrote:
i want to participate
But you're supposed to be undemocratic and prevent people you don't like from participating.Patatitta wrote:
I have no choice but to approveigorsprite wrote:
i want to participate