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Patatitta
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Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

snake wasn't canibalized 0/10 refunded the money I didn't pay for it

personally a slight step down from 2, the gameplay is still ass, probably even more ass, since they add a lot of mechanics that are very annoying but I guess it does help the game in a more narrative level, so I can excuse it

When metal gear solid 2 was released, there was a lot of controversy around it, what do you mean I can't play as snake???? what do you mean the protagonist is raiden????? raiden is a fucking loser,,,,,,,. Metal gear solid 3 feels like the sequel the fans wanted, so a lot of things are put in place to make snake look badass. You're not just sneaking around following a cool drama story. You're surviving on the jungle, eating whatever you can get your hand on, there are helicopters flying around you, you're the strongest on melee combat, you're a hero by all metrics

I think there is a pretty big difference between playing as snake and playing as raiden. When you're playing as raiden, you're a lot more analytical about the information you recieve. You know raiden is an unreliable narrator, that he's missing part of the story, and you that have more context on the game, know more than raiden. With snake the opposite is true, snake has never betrayed the player, therefore, when snakes says something, or trusts someones, we don't really suspect on that person as much, this allows the more simplistic story of MGS3 (simplistic when compared to 2), still feel really interesting. The story is way less convoluted and a lot more predictible than in 2, but by being framed as snake, we don't expect the twists as much.

In a way, snake is also made to be more relatable to the player. There is one character that is always half naked for some reason, so when snake shows interest in her, we're supposed to go "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THAT'S MY MANNNNNNNNNNNNN", so when the story finishes, in a way, all of the criticism torwards snake, of how he was easily fooled by EVA, is a criticism to the player. You were distracted, you were so into the fantasy of being snake that you made mistakes. Metal Gear solid 3 makes us appreciate raiden.

also, the bossfight against boss is probably one of the most beautiful shots i've seen in a videogame, and whenever you defeat her and the petals of the flowers turn red, that's honestly peak

also I just want to say the pc port runs like fucking ass and i've had to reinstall the game multiple times to finish the game lmao

Placed in A tier, will play MGS4 and 5 In the future but I wont note them on this thread.

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next: i'm giving half-minute hero a shot
Reyalp51
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What a thrill
Patatitta
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Half minute hero: good game but not what I asked so skipping
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BluePyTheDeer_
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Roblox.
Patatitta
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BluePyTheDeer_ wrote:

Roblox.
denied
Patatitta
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Lisa the joyful:

This is a expansion for lisa the painful which just happens to be a different game, but it is an expansion pack.

This game fixes a lot of the main problems I pointed out when I talked about lisa the painful, and that being the combat and the level design. There have been no moments in this game when I felt I outsmarted the game and it punished me for it. Ahd the combat is a lot more fun!, but not for the reason the developer intended

The previous game combat was pretty bad. The most optimal strat was just pretty boring and extremely frustrating. Some enemies in the game have A LOT of hp, and while you do level up, the damage doesn't scale that much, the main way of actually making more damage is by getting better skills/characters, however even this falls short in the endgame. However, status effects do damage based on a % of the maximum health the enemy has, so this was the most viable way to do damage. The enemies also had random instakill attacks, so the only real way to protect yourself was to permastun the enemy. The problem is, every status effect has a chance to fail and not land, a quite high one in fact. So yeah, the best way to play the game was to just spam status effect to make the enemy not attack and for yourself to do damage and just pray that they wouldn't fail. There was no danger state, the fights were always one-sided and it all depended on RNG (also, given that there is no healthbars, status effects are the only way to know the max HP of an enemy!)

Some may see this as a good thing, at the end of the day, the game is supposed to be unfair and frustrating, but I see this as the wrong way to accomplish that goal. The GOOD frustrating parts of the game are stuff like the random, game-changing decisions you have to do at random points at the game, the random ambushes that you can learn to predict, knowing that resting could be dangerous and planning ways around not resting, etc. All of that is frustrating but it requires more from the player than just a RNG check

Lisa the joyful has a way limited set of skills, the permastun strategy isn't really viable anymore, and the optimal strategy is considerably more fun. However, this seems like a side effect, as the way the developer tried to solve the combat was to add paper mario style minigames into it. This is something that kinda has become industry standard as a way to remedy turn based combat being "boring", which I just think fucking suck ass

The problems I see with standard turn based combat are the following (or why chained echoes has the best turn based combat ever designed):

-Grinding being the optimal way to play the videogame
-Balancing, make every skill useful and not have some which are just way better than the rest
-Being able to memorize a rotation of attacks that you can just spam, without much variation between fights

Being slow is not one of the problems, it adds to the tension. Lisa isn't an action game, you're supposed to stress out over every small decision, and minmax your way into avoiding awful situations, the combat being slow only improves that feeling. In fact, if you're full of adrenaline you wont really ever be in that state, which makes for a worse experience

Adding the minigame doesn't fix any of the problems, it's just copying what other successful games did without knowing WHY they did it. It's just a bad addition to the game. (I'm sorry game industry but instead of copying minigames you should be copying chained echoes, which has TWO different combat systems that completely solve this problem and are the best combat system ever designed, no one could fucking come up with anything and this game developed by A SINGLE PERSON just came in and solved it TWICE, chained echoes is so underrated man)

The ending of lisa the hopeful is also told in a way that is really fitting of the game, having this more psychological, abstract tone which fits the game beautifully

The only downgrade in this game is that it won't surprise you as much as the original. It doesn't bring that many new ideas onto the table, and due to the scope of the game being smaller, a lot of the best moments in lisa the painful aren't going to be present on the expansion, if you've already played lisa the painful, nothing that happens in lisa the joyfull will surprise you.

Placed in B tier
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if you enjoy reading novels I would highly recommend house of leaves by mark danielewski
this isn't a request necessarily, just a recommendation. I've been trying to make sense of this for months, never read anything like it
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Patatitta
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xch00F wrote:

if you enjoy reading novels I would highly recommend house of leaves by mark danielewski
I know of house of leaves, and I know you have to read it in a very concrete way. I have no way of getting myself a physical copy of house of leaves, and I would have to resort to finding a PDF somewhere, can the book still be enjoyed as a PDF or do you NEED to have the physical book?
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BluePyTheDeer_
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Rate Geometry Dash.
Patatitta
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BluePyTheDeer_ wrote:

Rate Geometry Dash.
I'm mainly looking for narrative games, so denied
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Patatitta wrote:

xch00F wrote:

if you enjoy reading novels I would highly recommend house of leaves by mark danielewski
I know of house of leaves, and I know you have to read it in a very concrete way. I have no way of getting myself a physical copy of house of leaves, and I would have to resort to finding a PDF somewhere, can the book still be enjoyed as a PDF or do you NEED to have the physical book?

it can definitely still be enjoyed as a pdf, there are sections later in the book where having a physical book can provide more emotional intent for those sections (ie when a single sentence spans several pages, parts where there are "windows" of text that are reversed depending on which side of the page they're on) but it's not that big of a deal really when the rest of the text is so goddamn disorienting
sametdze
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sametdze
read "a monster calls", its a book about this kid and some yew tree monster that haunts him at 12:07. they even made a movie on it so if you want to you can watch that too
Patatitta
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xch00F wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

xch00F wrote:

if you enjoy reading novels I would highly recommend house of leaves by mark danielewski
I know of house of leaves, and I know you have to read it in a very concrete way. I have no way of getting myself a physical copy of house of leaves, and I would have to resort to finding a PDF somewhere, can the book still be enjoyed as a PDF or do you NEED to have the physical book?

it can definitely still be enjoyed as a pdf, there are sections later in the book where having a physical book can provide more emotional intent for those sections (ie when a single sentence spans several pages, parts where there are "windows" of text that are reversed depending on which side of the page they're on) but it's not that big of a deal really when the rest of the text is so goddamn disorienting
then I will read it


sametdze wrote:

read "a monster calls", its a book about this kid and some yew tree monster that haunts him at 12:07. they even made a movie on it so if you want to you can watch that too
will read it too
Patatitta
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31 minutos: La pelicula

I have never seen 31 minutos, the tv show, this movie overall has a very basic plot, and it works as a way to add lore to the characters and also having a longer episode

31 minutos is an episodic TV show, so most viewers won't have watched the whole show before watching the newest episode. 31 minutos is also presented as a fakeout, you expect a more serious program and you end up with this light hearted parody comedy show

So, they cant just randomly reveal the backstory of a character in the middle of an episode and expect everyone to remember that going forward, because not that many people are watching ALL the episodes. So, they packeted all of that into a movie.

A movie is a WAY bigger deal that just a random episode, as long as you enjoyed a few episodes, you're going to be interested in the movie, so this is the best way to giving more depth to these characters, which wouldn't have much depth otherwise

Movie adaptations also works to give "validation" to the original work. Film is a respected medium and one that is largely considered to be art. Whenever you have something that is basically a shitpost, having a movie adaptation is a way to say that what you're doing is above a shitpost, that there is actual talent in the team and that you can break out of that sphere you're part of. This is also why a lot of youtubers has movies, most of them are bad, but them having an IMDB page makes what they do seem more professional and more worthy of respect

I personally don't agree with just giving movie adaptations to stuff that doesn't really need one, but their effects are undeniable


placed in d tier because I didn't enjoy the movie that much lmao

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next: steven universe

haven't started hosue of leaves because it's been like 3 hours since I said I was going to do it
KeikiEnjoyer
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yoo this thead is still going, very lit

edit: i will take some time to catch up
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Nuuskamuikkunen
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Can I suggest Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu?

I only watched the remake tho which is Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These.
Patatitta
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Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Can I suggest Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu?

I only watched the remake tho which is Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These.
idk, I could give it a try but so far not a single hyper long show has really caught my attention, I would probably drop it
Nuuskamuikkunen
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Patatitta wrote:

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Can I suggest Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu?

I only watched the remake tho which is Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These.
idk, I could give it a try but so far not a single hyper long show has really caught my attention, I would probably drop it
The remake is just a 13 episode season and a few OVAs
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BluePyTheDeer_
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Never played it, but I think you should try Yume Nikki
Patatitta
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BluePyTheDeer_ wrote:

Never played it, but I think you should try Yume Nikki
bro only suggest things you've personally played


Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Can I suggest Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu?

I only watched the remake tho which is Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu: Die Neue These.
idk, I could give it a try but so far not a single hyper long show has really caught my attention, I would probably drop it
The remake is just a 13 episode season and a few OVAs
yeah sure if you can link the remake I can watch it, I say that because there are like 500 things and idk which one to watch
Jonarwhal
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Add Nanahira to the list if she isn’t already there for the meme
Patatitta
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Jonarwhal wrote:

Add Nanahira to the list if she isn’t already there for the meme
I don't do music
sametdze
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sametdze
patatitta do you like to hate on stuff
Ymir
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sametdze wrote:

patatitta do you like to hate on stuff
iirc he wanted specific minorities deported out of Spain so he might be a hater idk
sametdze
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Ymir wrote:

sametdze wrote:

patatitta do you like to hate on stuff
iirc he wanted specific minorities deported out of Spain so he might be a hater idk
what did the minorities do that made patatitta want them gone
Patatitta
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Ymir wrote:

sametdze wrote:

patatitta do you like to hate on stuff
iirc he wanted specific minorities deported out of Spain so he might be a hater idk
this is missinformation

anyways, my answer if I like to hate on stuff is not really, If I had the choice between being able to enjoy something or hating it, I would always choose to enjoy it. At the end of the day, it's better to have more things that you enjoy than less. However, I'm not a fan of forcing yourself to like something, or even the concept of conditioning yourself first to enjoy certain genres or pieces of media more, so if I dislike something, i'm going to be vocal about the fact that I dislike it
Ymir
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cant you enjoy hating?
Patatitta
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Ymir wrote:

cant you enjoy hating?
as I said, it's not that I enjoy hating, is that I don't have any moral conviction against hating on stuff
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analyze me
Patatitta
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cr0w wrote:

analyze me
denied
Nuuskamuikkunen
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Nuuskamuikkunen
you got the 31 minutos film poster instead of the tierlist there
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hate and dislike are not the same thing
hatred is visceral, dislike is not
Patatitta
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Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

you got the 31 minutos film poster instead of the tierlist there
LMAO, fixed
Patatitta
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Gravity Falls (only seen season 1, probably wont watch the second one)

not bad, but a lot of the criticism I gave to over the garden wall also applies to this

This is a episodic kid friendly mistery TV show about a brother and a sister that spends their summer in a summer camp full of weird magical creatures

The premise isn't anything new, half of kids show take the format of a summer vacation, mainly becaause it plays into the fantasy children actually have, kids like summer vacation and making the protagonist not have any sort of responsability gives a lot of creative freedom

However, while this has a mistery setting, there really isn't any sort of mistery anywhere in the show, there is no ovearching plot and half of the chapters don't have a mistery to begin with, it's more about the vibe of watching amistery than actually watching one, however, (most of) the chapters aren't completely braindead like other shows such as steven universe.

I say most of beause there are some chapters which are very, very bad, and it all comes from this philosophy that everything must end how it started, the characters can't develop in any sort of way, so for example, in chapter 19, the penultimate chapter of the show, dipper acts in a way TOTALLY CONTRARY to how he acted the previous episode (and honestly the entire show) and completely disregarding the lessons he learnt from some older episodes, but, if we stop to think about it, it does make sense

think back to you as a kid watching tv. Did you watch all of the episodes of everything in order?, no, you did not, you picked the show halfway through, dropped it, then watched some repeats, maybe after 8 chapters you finally saw the first, etc. The story NEEDS to go back to the original form for their target audience to actually keep track of the show, that's why they cant have an overaching plot or make it non episodic.

My real problem with this is the same problem I pointed out in over the garden wall, the comedy actually undermines the writing and make the whole thing worse because of it

most of the jokes are very predictible and very, very dumb, which doesn't fit at all with what the show is trying to do in my opinion. It has a lot of "oh wow I hope bad thing doesn't happen rn" and then that bad thing just happens. But worse is the "uhhh you acutally do this regulary" jokes, where they claim a character usually does somethign that has never actually happen in the show and then they cut to a flashback of that character doing that thing

If you're trying to sell that mistery aura, making jokes like that is just saying you don't trust the viewer, we don't expect you to remember this thing that happened last episode or even 5 minutes ago, we must show both things at once.

So what's the value in watching shows like this?, you're not watching anything new, everything that this shows has to offer has already been doen better in other shows, it's enjoyable but only if you have been infected by the fandom or have no point of reference to which compare this show to. The only reason anyone would ever watch it to understand the cultural phenomenom behind it, and that is why I watched it

Watching this show I had a feeling of "this seems like Twin Peaks but suited for children", but then I realized I had actually never watched twin peaks, so after the first season finished I just started watching twin peaks. Just finished chapter 1 like 30 minutes ago, and it's just a WAY more enjoyable experience for me

Some people may claim that comparing a disney cartoon to what is considered one of the best tv shows of all time is an unfair comparasion, and while there is some truth to that (they aim for different audiences), I don't think that the criticism is valid

While on a industry/econoical level they're completely different beasts, you as a human being shouldn't care too much about that, the reality is that you have a limited ammount of time, and you can either invest that time into watching gravity falls or twin peaks. Something being in the top of their field doesn't matter if that is still less worth it than something else.

I've given this show a lot of shit, but I actually do believe it's on the higher echelon of cartoons, still D tier tho.

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been reading house of leaves, i'm still fairly early on the book but i'm enjoying it, I will just take a while until I finish it
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lostsilver
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i fully understand the placement tbh
everyone has their opinions!
BluePyTheDeer_
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Try Pokémon Sword and Shield (I have played and completed Sword)
Patatitta
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BluePyTheDeer_ wrote:

Try Pokémon Sword and Shield (I have played and completed Sword)
idk already did pokemon scarlet and every pokemon game is the same so
sametdze
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play the video game: "grounded sim" its based off of those old go animate videos (well not exactly old, i think people still make them) and its free on steam. it is a horror game but its not as scary compared to like, cry of fear or something
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Patatitta
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sametdze wrote:

play the video game: "grounded sim" its based off of those old go animate videos (well not exactly old, i think people still make them) and its free on steam. it is a horror game but its not as scary compared to like, cry of fear or something
that seems one of the worst games ever created
z0z
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play myhouse.wad
sametdze
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z0z wrote:

play myhouse.wad
i second this


Patatitta wrote:

sametdze wrote:

play the video game: "grounded sim" its based off of those old go animate videos (well not exactly old, i think people still make them) and its free on steam. it is a horror game but its not as scary compared to like, cry of fear or something
that seems one of the worst games ever created
i was expecting this. it's genuinely a high quality game imo, graphics are very well done and true to what they're trying to mimic. the gameplay is usually looking for a button and a switch while being hunted down by something but i think they also throw in some other challenges too.
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Patatitta
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z0z wrote:

play myhouse.wad
I would have to play doom first + horror is not my jam + you probably haven't even played it yourself and just watched that one youtube video on it
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Patatitta wrote:

z0z wrote:

play myhouse.wad
I would have to play doom first + horror is not my jam + you probably haven't even played it yourself and just watched that one youtube video on it
1. you dont have to play doom first, tbh anyone can pick up doom mods without actually playing one of the og doom games
2. its not that bad, the scare factors are mostly low in myhouse.wad imo
3. i have played it and i had fun, surely you can too

also if you do intend to play myhouse.wad or just plain doom, you'll need a wad of doom 2 and a port/something that will make the doom games properly run (like GZdoom, that's the one most people use, and if you want a classic, exact 1993 experience you can use chocolate doom)
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Patatitta
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I will think about it then
sametdze
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that's the spirit, you'll never know until you try
ColdTooth
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Patatitta wrote:

sametdze wrote:

play the video game: "grounded sim" its based off of those old go animate videos (well not exactly old, i think people still make them) and its free on steam. it is a horror game but its not as scary compared to like, cry of fear or something
that seems one of the worst games ever created
no that is overwatch 2, flatout 3, command & conquer 4 tiberian twilight to take that title
Reyalp51
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you will put yume nikki in s tier
Patatitta
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Reyalp51 wrote:

you will put yume nikki in s tier
I have already played yume nikki (as you already know), but I won't be putting it on S tier.

Yume nikki is a narrative exploration game made in RPGMaker about a girl that just dreams weird shit. The gameplay just consists of you walking around and seeing stuff. No combat, no lose condition, no real goal, just explore.

This is a game that challenges the conventional idea of quality in the videogame industry, i'm sure most of you have seen these type of review at some point of your life



In order for something to be good, it must check a certain ammount of boxes, this plays into certain ideas that are baked into our understanding of games. For a game to be good, first, it must be fun, because "if it's not fun, why bother", it must have an engaging gameplay loop, but it should also probably have a good OST and graphics!, yume nikki is a game that doesn't check any of those boxes, yet is good regardless.

This is often shocking for a lot of people experiencing yume nikki (or games like this), for the first time, the idea that a game like this should not be possible. This is because that way of seeing media is heavily missguided, IMO, it just needs to feel like it's worth it, it doesn't matter how it achieves this, but you must be glad to have experienced what it had to offer. Sometimes we play games that we know are bad, because the experience of playing said bad game is worth it

What yume nikki has to offer is just a really unique experience (specially for it's time), and a very psychological one at that. By exploring and watching the dreams of this person, in a way we are exploring their subconcious, however, everything is too ambiguous to actually say anything concrete. The actual plot of the game, or the actual meaning of the dreams (if they have any), is all left to the players interpretation.

The plot of the game depends on context. Everything can mean anything, yume nikki can be about mcdonalds if you set your mind to it. Thing is, the community that has currently adopted this, have this bias that in order to really appreciate a certain piece of media, it's important to know every small detail of it. Playing the game is not enough, you must see every single detail, even the cut content, everything has to have some sort of meaning, you must watch the iceberg on it. It's inconceivable that anything may just not have any real meaning behind it, you know, maybe the person just liked making prison games

My current interpretation of yume nikki is that this was just kikiyama's sandbox. Yume nikki isn't an extremely delicately crafted horror masterpiece. I just see it as kikiyama trying out stuff, maybe displaying some of their own dreams, or at least versions of it, and it just so happens that it can be interpreted as a delicately crafted horror masterpiece

The most interesting part of yume nikki for me is the actual legacy it has. While yume nikki didn't do anything too special by itself, it did create a blueprint on how to depict someones psyche in a videogame, so other videogame took those methods and concepts and mixed it with some other stuff to create really cool stuff

For example, lisa the first (yeah I ended up playing it) is a yume nikki fangame where it uses those elements to show how lisa percieved her father. Omori has a yume nikki like section (red space) to show the fucked up state of the protagonist, picayune dreams is a survivors like game where the plot is shown by weird flashbacks told in a yume nikki format, copper odyssey just uses the confusion aspect of yume nikki ti create a REALLY confusing feeling RPG

Yume nikki isn't as much as game, but a tool for people to create (better) games, and while I appreciate the game for actually creating it, I much prefeer the games that takes yume nikki concept and run with it.

Placed in A tier because games don't exist in a vacuum and things like bias and context matters (if not it would be lower).


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still reading house of leaves, pretty good
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lemme know if/when you get to a point where you have to start reading it differently
Patatitta
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xch00F wrote:

lemme know if/when you get to a point where you have to start reading it differently
i'm currently around page 140 for you to get an idea
Patatitta
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had this idea where I saw what the average placement on the tier list was for every user that has requested things here, see who (according to me) has better taste, may do it later, I think it could be funny
Karmine
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Gotta add some stuff to that list, play The Thaumaturge.
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Karmine wrote:

Gotta add some stuff to that list, play The Thaumaturge.
sure

edit: realized this is longer than the time I saw as max, but i'm making an exception since it's really not that much longer and I'm not really playing anything else
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Patatitta
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my house (dropped)

this was fucking catastrophic LMAO

My house is a puzzle/soft horror mod for DOOM 2, I haven't played doom, but I was told that I can just play this mod without ever having played doom, so I do

I play the level, that is in fact, a house, I find the exit, and move on to the next level!, the next level is a little bit more fun, even if it doesn't have the house appearance, I beat that level, and I go back to the house level

at that point, I was like, ah, you're bringing me back to this level but this time it's going to be different!, so I beat the house level again, which turned out to be the exact same, and I move on to level 2 once again, and at that point, I got very confused since I clearly was doing something wrong

I look it up, and I find where my mistake was, apparently, the fun part of my house was trying to discover the secret, in fact, the walkthrough I looked up on youtube had in the overlay the timer, the total kills, and something saying "secrets, 0/1", thing is, I didn't have that overlay since well, I had never played doom and I don't have a pro overlay set up, and I didn't even know there was a secret

Not only that, but the level I was going into apparently was a vanilla doom level, so if I had played doom, I would have recognised that.

So I look at a little bit of the video to see where I have to go,and apparently, once you give a full rotation over the house, you're actually teleported to an alternate house that is the exact same but 2 things are different, + all of the enemies are back. Thing is, I actually had found this in my first run of the house, thing is, I have never played doom, and I thought the enemies just could respawn under certain conditions, even the keycards were back as skulls, which I thought it was a neat game design thing to remind you where the keycard was to better help orient you

so, apparently, you must compare the two version of the house, discover what extra objects are there, and pick them up, up to there, a little bit tedious, but I see how someone could discover it, after that, you must go back to a new zone in the house, interact with something I didn't know you could interact, unveiling a mirror, go back to the second bathroom, climb into the mirror and jump in

keep in mind, I have been given NO narrative indication or any clues really, discovering that on my own would have taken me at least an hour.

after that, you kinda do the same thing, run around, pick the objects that are difference, explore the extra rooms, and after that it will led you to the original house, after that, you get into a brand new area, (a playground) find and pick up two objects (That unlike the previous objects, you can't find them by comparison since there isn't really any way to know which objects are important just yet), punch a wall repeatedly, get chased by shrek, kill shrek, pick up a key, go back to the house, fill up all the sinks, then go back to one of the bathrooms, climb up the previously unclimbable bath, sink for like 10 seconds and then explore a new area

and then, it hits me, you're NOT supposed to play the game, you're supposed to watch youtube videos about it. Since, the actual game is a horrible experience if you don't know what you're doing, so I stopped playing it

This game is essentially youtube bait, the plot is told via the objects you pick up and the ambients, which is very ambiguous and leaves a lot of space for theorizing, however, outside the concept of having no dialogue or whatever, which is not new, it doesn't do anything interesting, the actual story really doesn't take advantage of that medium

Some parts of the house have impossible geometry omg!!! how can this possible, (ironic since i'm reading house of leaves RN, however house of leaves is actually good), but again, it really doesn't take advantage of the impossible geometry, + all the ways this is even showcased, antichamber did it better 11 years ago.

this game is only good if you have first seen a yt video about how it is very good and haven't played any similar games in the past.


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still reading house of leaves, it's good
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Reyalp51
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Patatitta wrote:

had this idea where I saw what the average placement on the tier list was for every user that has requested things here, see who (according to me) has better taste, may do it later, I think it could be funny
that would be funny cuz my request are all b+ except 09 and you always tell me i have terrible taste xd

wait fuck tokyo ghoul is low
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lostsilver
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have you done undertale already? if not can you do it?
Reyalp51
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oh god no i have such a love hate relationship with undertale
MangaGrumpy
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Have you watched delicious in dungeon yet?
Nuuskamuikkunen
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Nuuskamuikkunen

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

had this idea where I saw what the average placement on the tier list was for every user that has requested things here, see who (according to me) has better taste, may do it later, I think it could be funny
that would be funny cuz my request are all b+ except 09 and you always tell me i have terrible taste xd

wait fuck tokyo ghoul is low
I have 2 S suggestions, 1 in A, 4 in B, 3 in C and 1 in D which I am surprised it's that high since I tried to give the worst suggestion I could.
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Patatitta
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Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

had this idea where I saw what the average placement on the tier list was for every user that has requested things here, see who (according to me) has better taste, may do it later, I think it could be funny
that would be funny cuz my request are all b+ except 09 and you always tell me i have terrible taste xd

wait fuck tokyo ghoul is low
I have 2 S suggestions, 1 in A, 4 in B, 3 in C and 1 in D which I am surprised it's that high since I tried to give the worst suggestion I could.


I mean, D rank is just things that were bad, how could you do this to me is things that hurt my soul

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Have you watched delicious in dungeon yet?
read the manga and i'm up to date with the anime, if you haven't seen the anime I don't think I can really analyze it without spoiling the fuck out of you


lostsilver wrote:

have you done undertale already? if not can you do it?

yeah played undertale, may do it tomorrow idk i'm tired today
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lostsilver
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Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

have you done undertale already? if not can you do it?

yeah played undertale, may do it tomorrow idk i'm tired today
oki!! get some rest bud <3
Karmine
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Patatitta wrote:

and then, it hits me, you're NOT supposed to play the game, you're supposed to watch youtube videos about it. Since, the actual game is a horrible experience if you don't know what you're doing, so I stopped playing it
I've seen some cool vids about it but yeah I don't think it's something you can enjoy without being very familiar with both the base game and mods.
Patatitta
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lostsilver wrote:

have you done undertale already? if not can you do it?
Undertale is a game that I have already played and personally I have an interesting relationship towards it, this is a game that i'm VERY biased towards (so now, like tim rogers taught us in their reviews, I must proceed to talk about my life so you understand the biases influencing my opinion the game which is actually the correct way to talk about media since there is no such thing as an objective review.)

when undertale came out, the internet EXPLODED, I was 10yo at the time, and while at first I kinda avoided it because I heard it was cringe and for losers, after a while I folded, and did something I would NEVER do nowadays, and that is, watch a playthrough of the game BEFORE playing it, which I enjoyed. I don't know how much of me enjoying those videos came from the game itself or the youtuber playing it

At that point I wasn't too keen on pirating stuff, I didn't have the money, and unlike how I am now, instead of playing a variety of video games, I just had 2-3 specific videogames I just liked to spend all of my time on. So yeah, I never actually played undertale

thing is, time passes, I was like 12, and I start meeting people who actually HAD played undertale, so in order to more easily fit in, I did play undertale (I didn't want to be a fan of the game without having played in, which I was up to that point), I did a pacifist walkthrough, (not true pacifist tho) and I think I enjoyed my time with it, A few years later, I started a genocide run but I never finished it, I stopped playing it around the core part

few extra years passes, I think I was 13, my brain was starting to develop more, it was halloween, I was having a sleepover with a friend of mine, and then, randomly, deltarune chapter 1 releases, up to that point I felt a little bit of remorse for not having really been able to experience as much joy from playing undertale as I had done up to that point, so I just start playing it completely blind with my friend. I ended up beating the game in 2 days.

I enjoyed it WAY MORE than when I played undertale or even watched it, since I actually got to experience it myself. At that moment I didn't know what exactly made deltarune so good, but when chapter 2 released, and SPECIALLY when I played everhood I got it

When I played everhood, I instantly noticed it was clearly inspired by toby fox, and that was, the dialogue. The way toby fox writes dialogue is actually very different to how other devs write it. Instead of imitating the dialogue from a book or a movie (which I want to clarify, is VERY different to IRL speech), it imitates the way people talk over the internet, some things not being capitalized, the inconsistent speed at which some dialogues are shown on screen, the type of comedy, in deltarune chapter 2 the queen is literally the representation of the internet

this is not the first time it has been done, but I think toby fox IS the person to actually popularize it, I have also seen it in some itch.io games that I won't talk about here.

Undertales entire selling point was that you could spare enemies, but I would honestly argue that the cast of characters is what carries toby fox as a developer

But what really makes me enjoy it, is just my life experiences. It's the joy of seeing something you liked 8 years ago evolve and branch out, whenever I see a game be inspired by undertale I just feel happy, each toby fox releases correlates to a different step of my life, to a different frame of mind, all of that has made undertale grow on me, I enjoy it way more now than I did when I actually played it.

This game is an S tier, but yeah, heavy bias.

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still playing thaumaturge still reading house of leaves
sametdze
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k now try out sailor moon doom 2 (the process of loading the mod is exactly the same as myhouse.wad) also sailor moon doom 2 is pretty much just regular doom 2 but doomdude (or was it doomguy? its been a while since ive modded doom) is replaced with sailor moon, and the guns are replaced with sailor moon's magical things
Patatitta
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sametdze wrote:

k now try out sailor moon doom 2 (the process of loading the mod is exactly the same as myhouse.wad) also sailor moon doom 2 is pretty much just regular doom 2 but doomdude (or was it doomguy? its been a while since ive modded doom) is replaced with sailor moon, and the guns are replaced with sailor moon's magical things
can I just watch sailor moon instead (nvm even if i'm interested in it, it's VERY long and idk if I want to do that)
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sametdze
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Patatitta wrote:

sametdze wrote:

k now try out sailor moon doom 2 (the process of loading the mod is exactly the same as myhouse.wad) also sailor moon doom 2 is pretty much just regular doom 2 but doomdude (or was it doomguy? its been a while since ive modded doom) is replaced with sailor moon, and the guns are replaced with sailor moon's magical things
can I just watch sailor moon instead
well i have watched sailor moon when i was little so why not
Patatitta
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read update
sametdze
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sametdze

Patatitta wrote:

read update
where is update :(
Patatitta
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sametdze wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

read update
where is update :(
I did a edit after I posted the comment, but apparently you already had quoted the message so you haven't read the edit
lostsilver
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Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

have you done undertale already? if not can you do it?
Undertale is a game that I have already played and personally I have an interesting relationship towards it, this is a game that i'm VERY biased towards (so now, like tim rogers taught us in their reviews, I must proceed to talk about my life so you understand the biases influencing my opinion the game which is actually the correct way to talk about media since there is no such thing as an objective review.)

when undertale came out, the internet EXPLODED, I was 10yo at the time, and while at first I kinda avoided it because I heard it was cringe and for losers, after a while I folded, and did something I would NEVER do nowadays, and that is, watch a playthrough of the game BEFORE playing it, which I enjoyed. I don't know how much of me enjoying those videos came from the game itself or the youtuber playing it

At that point I wasn't too keen on pirating stuff, I didn't have the money, and unlike how I am now, instead of playing a variety of video games, I just had 2-3 specific videogames I just liked to spend all of my time on. So yeah, I never actually played undertale

thing is, time passes, I was like 12, and I start meeting people who actually HAD played undertale, so in order to more easily fit in, I did play undertale (I didn't want to be a fan of the game without having played in, which I was up to that point), I did a pacifist walkthrough, (not true pacifist tho) and I think I enjoyed my time with it, A few years later, I started a genocide run but I never finished it, I stopped playing it around the core part

few extra years passes, I think I was 13, my brain was starting to develop more, it was halloween, I was having a sleepover with a friend of mine, and then, randomly, deltarune chapter 1 releases, up to that point I felt a little bit of remorse for not having really been able to experience as much joy from playing undertale as I had done up to that point, so I just start playing it completely blind with my friend. I ended up beating the game in 2 days.

I enjoyed it WAY MORE than when I played undertale or even watched it, since I actually got to experience it myself. At that moment I didn't know what exactly made deltarune so good, but when chapter 2 released, and SPECIALLY when I played everhood I got it

When I played everhood, I instantly noticed it was clearly inspired by toby fox, and that was, the dialogue. The way toby fox writes dialogue is actually very different to how other devs write it. Instead of imitating the dialogue from a book or a movie (which I want to clarify, is VERY different to IRL speech), it imitates the way people talk over the internet, some things not being capitalized, the inconsistent speed at which some dialogues are shown on screen, the type of comedy, in deltarune chapter 2 the queen is literally the representation of the internet

this is not the first time it has been done, but I think toby fox IS the person to actually popularize it, I have also seen it in some itch.io games that I won't talk about here.

Undertales entire selling point was that you could spare enemies, but I would honestly argue that the cast of characters is what carries toby fox as a developer

But what really makes me enjoy it, is just my life experiences. It's the joy of seeing something you liked 8 years ago evolve and branch out, whenever I see a game be inspired by undertale I just feel happy, each toby fox releases correlates to a different step of my life, to a different frame of mind, all of that has made undertale grow on me, I enjoy it way more now than I did when I actually played it.

This game is an S tier, but yeah, heavy bias.

--------

still playing thaumaturge still reading house of leaves
dang, that's awesome! glad you like the game, and i fully understand your opinions!
Mysdibule
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1,000 posts real
Jangsoodlor
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Jangsoodlor 30 days ago wrote:

watch nisekoi
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Nuuskamuikkunen
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Nuuskamuikkunen
Where's Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Die Neue These?
MangaGrumpy
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Patatitta wrote:

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Have you watched delicious in dungeon yet?
read the manga and i'm up to date with the anime, if you haven't seen the anime I don't think I can really analyze it without spoiling the fuck out of you
It's okay man, I've only finished episode 6 I think, and I'm not as open to spoilers for other anime as I am for JJBA
Patatitta
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Patatitta

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Jangsoodlor 30 days ago wrote:

watch nisekoi
I denied it


Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Where's Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Die Neue These?
sure
Patatitta
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House of leaves

i'm not even going to try to explain this book

Did I understand it? fuck no like i'm actually going to give an award to someone who actually understood house of leaves first try this shit is the most overwhelming, frustrating, confusingly written, pretentious, ridiculous book ever created

did I enjoy it? I think so????????????????????????????????????????????

House of leaves is a piece of ergodic literature with like 6 intertwined plots written in a non standard way like basically creating ascii art with the text of the book or randomly removing letters from the paragraph or straight up skipping pages and it's just death, randomly intercutting the story with like 20 pages of quotes and definitions in german and italian about philosophy which are nearly impossible to read and even if you put the time to actually try to process what they're saying it's the most fucking boring thing ever and kinda shallow because GUESS WHAT THERE IS A FUCKING METANARRATIVE ABOUT THE ACTUAL EDITORS OF THE BOOK AND FUCK YOU TOO BOOK FUCK YOU TOO

we're lucky to live in the year that we do where metafiction and wack shit are more common and accepted but I actually think if you showed this book to someone in the middle ages (that knew how to read) they would kill themselves

however, for as painful as it can be to read this, and even if the book can be weirdly sexist at times, this shit is an unique experience, it is VERY memorable

look it's been 20 minutes since I started trying to write this post like this shit is way above my level fuck this shit fuck this book and fuck you for recommending it i hate you and I what I hate more is that this book is made to bait people like me and the fact that it fucking works and I find it interesting

this is both S rank and how could you do this to me so i'm putting it in A

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watching ginga eiyuu denetsu (remake) so far so good
same for thaumaturge

next: a monster calls
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Karmine
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Missing pages reminded me of the Epic of Gilgamesh, it's missing some parts but it's not intentional so it actually makes it harder to understand but it's still interesting imo, also pretty short.
Duck o-o
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Duck o-o
do blood meridian
Patatitta
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Dementedduck wrote:

do blood meridian
have you read it yourself?
Duck o-o
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Duck o-o

Patatitta wrote:

Dementedduck wrote:

do blood meridian
have you read it yourself?

didnt get ending tho, am small brained

Edit: dont let online reviewer people scare you off btw
they are just being pretentious about it and its only like 3 or 400 pages so u can be done in like 5 hours or smthn
Pweaseeee ;-;
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LMAO
not only would house of leaves get middle age nobles to kill themselves but I'm 100% certain danielewski himself would be branded a heretic and burned at the stake for it. I definitely agree that it's a unique experience and imo its memorability not only comes from how fucking insane the text is but it sticks with you because you're trying to make sense of all of it, at least if it hits you in precisely the right way. some people (probably most people) are just gonna see the crazy shit that shows up on the pages and tap out because how the fuck do you read this shit. good stuff

if you want another novel rec that's waaaaay easier to read, check out the book thief by markus zusak

weird rec
I'm not expecting you to read this because it's related to religion but if you're interested, check out song of songs (aka song of solomon) from the bible, it's unique within the bible for being as... horny as it is. I'd recommend either the king james translation (KJV) for its stylized english, or the updated new revised standard version (NRSVUE) for modern english/critical accuracy. I've been reading the kjv bible myself for the past few months for "fun" and it's been very enlightening
Jangsoodlor
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Patatitta wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Jangsoodlor 30 days ago wrote:

watch nisekoi
I denied it
Uh....
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Patatitta
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Patatitta

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Jangsoodlor 30 days ago wrote:

watch nisekoi
I denied it
Uh....
I accepted it but later I read that it was like harem and I said that I was going to skip it


Dementedduck wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Dementedduck wrote:

do blood meridian
have you read it yourself?

didnt get ending tho, am small brained

Edit: dont let online reviewer people scare you off btw
they are just being pretentious about it and its only like 3 or 400 pages so u can be done in like 5 hours or smthn
Pweaseeee ;-;
nah the reviews weren't scaring me away, is that I can see some people just asking that sort of stuff to troll, but if you've read it then I probably will


xch00F wrote:

LMAO
not only would house of leaves get middle age nobles to kill themselves but I'm 100% certain danielewski himself would be branded a heretic and burned at the stake for it. I definitely agree that it's a unique experience and imo its memorability not only comes from how fucking insane the text is but it sticks with you because you're trying to make sense of all of it, at least if it hits you in precisely the right way. some people (probably most people) are just gonna see the crazy shit that shows up on the pages and tap out because how the fuck do you read this shit. good stuff

if you want another novel rec that's waaaaay easier to read, check out the book thief by markus zusak

weird rec
I'm not expecting you to read this because it's related to religion but if you're interested, check out song of songs (aka song of solomon) from the bible, it's unique within the bible for being as... horny as it is. I'd recommend either the king james translation (KJV) for its stylized english, or the updated new revised standard version (NRSVUE) for modern english/critical accuracy. I've been reading the kjv bible myself for the past few months for "fun" and it's been very enlightening
yeah I can read book thief, also yeah, i'm not touching sacred books
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holy and sacred don't need to be the same thing
Patatitta
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Patatitta

xch00F wrote:

holy and sacred don't need to be the same thing
I mean if we're talking about the bible it IS sacred
Patatitta
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A monster calls

it was alright

short young adult book about a monster that visits a 13yo and tries to teach him stuff

apparently the original author died before he could finish it and the story was passed to someone else but the end result was pretty good so no one really cared about that fact

The book takes the trope of a monster visiting a kid on their bedroom but twists it in a way so it subverts your expectations somewhat, instead of the monster, being scary and evil they're honestly pretty chill (for the most part) and just tells the protagonist multiple stories

the point of all of these stories is that shit is complicated man, explains that there exists morally grey situations, and even quirks into how people interpret and then recall events that they themselves have lived through

these stories (the first two ones), are basically fairy tails, the point that they're trying to teach the protagonist is pretty crystal clear, which also works in our favour since it makes the book really easy to understand, and given that the actual advice and message the book tries to give is a really good one, it's a good choice

after that, the protagonist is forced to actually put those teachings into practice, which turns out to be more difficult, because guess what, shit is complicated, there is a big difference between hearing what the moral of the story is and actually internalizing it, which is what the book mainly focuses on the second half

while this book didn't completely resonate with me, it was still enjoyable and I really can't point to any mistakes or anything, as I really didn't feel anything was off or anything like that

placed in B tier

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Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Die Neue These: honestly I've already finished the part that was requested but I liked it quite a bit and honestly I want to follow it to completion, so yeah, see me in a year and a half whenever I have actually finished this

still playing The Thaumaturge, started act 2 a few days ago, game is enjoyable but it does have some problems I will talk about

next: blood meridian
Corne2Plum3
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Super Mario Odyssey review?
Patatitta
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Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Super Mario Odyssey review?
it's a mario platformer game, you just jump around it's fun, there is not much depth to it, not much I can really talk about
jaaakb
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Xavier: Renegade Angel
Patatitta
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dung eater wrote:

Xavier: Renegade Angel
have you watched it yourself or have you just seen the funny moments on yt?
lostsilver
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lostsilver
you dont have to if you dont want to, but could you do pizza tower?
been playing it but havent finished it yet bc im too busy with art n stuff
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Patatitta
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lostsilver wrote:

you dont have to if you dont want to, but could you do pizza tower?
been playing it but havent finished it yet bc im too busy with art n stuff
ehhh, honestly I tried it out but didn't really hook me, + I don't think I have much to say about the game
lostsilver
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Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

you dont have to if you dont want to, but could you do pizza tower?
been playing it but havent finished it yet bc im too busy with art n stuff
ehhh, honestly I tried it out but didn't really hook me, + I don't think I have much to say about the game
aight aight
maybe half-life if you havent done it? the first game btw
Patatitta
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Patatitta

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

you dont have to if you dont want to, but could you do pizza tower?
been playing it but havent finished it yet bc im too busy with art n stuff
ehhh, honestly I tried it out but didn't really hook me, + I don't think I have much to say about the game
aight aight
maybe half-life if you havent done it? the first game btw
you can just check what I have done and haven't done you know, also yeah i'm down for half life
lostsilver
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lostsilver

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

you dont have to if you dont want to, but could you do pizza tower?
been playing it but havent finished it yet bc im too busy with art n stuff
ehhh, honestly I tried it out but didn't really hook me, + I don't think I have much to say about the game
aight aight
maybe half-life if you havent done it? the first game btw
you can just check what I have done and haven't done you know, also yeah i'm down for half life
okii
have fun!! <3
jaaakb
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Patatitta wrote:

dung eater wrote:

Xavier: Renegade Angel
have you watched it yourself or have you just seen the funny moments on yt?
I've watched it. One of my favorite series.

Patatitta wrote:

xch00F wrote:

holy and sacred don't need to be the same thing
I mean if we're talking about the bible it IS sacred
it's not sacred if you don't believe it is. any book is sacred if you believe it.
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z0z
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z0z
do paper mario ttyd
Jangsoodlor
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watch girls und panzer
Patatitta
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dung eater wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

dung eater wrote:

Xavier: Renegade Angel
have you watched it yourself or have you just seen the funny moments on yt?
then will watch it


z0z wrote:

do paper mario ttyd
if you want me to play the remake, I don't think I can run it, I wasn't able to do mario RPG because it didn't run properly, + I have a bunch of games in queue already and that game is like 30 hours long so idk



Jangsoodlor wrote:

watch girls und panzer
honestly I have very little expectations going into it but sure
Patatitta
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The Thaumaturge

I'm pretty mixed about this game, I think it does get worse as the game progresses

The Thaumaturge is a narrative Isometric RPG about poland in the 1905, this game also markets itself as disco elysium, an RPG where you make morally dubious choices and your actions have consequences, however, the game really drops the ball in this aspect

My actual problems with the story comes from the gameplay mechanics of the game, as the title suggests, you're a thaumaturge, if you touch an object, you can feel the energy of it and you can deduce shit about the people who interacted with that object in the past, when talking to people, you may unlock new dialogue optioons if you've senses something related to the topic of conversation before, these answers are marked with a star

Thing is, often than not, in conversation, there is a correct option, and that is, the option you deduced by touching objects, in some points of the game, this is the only option that actually advances the story, so there really isn't much freedom to choose what action to take

The npc really wont react strongly to whatever you say either, whenever you talk to someone, sometimes you have the typical "x character will remember this", and I just think this takes away from the experience of the game

showing what a character will and will not remember is a bad idea in this type of game IMO, since by saying that, you're also saying all of the actions you've made that didn't have that popup appear are basically worthless. There is nothing actually wrong with doing these, complex games with branching stories are stupid hard to create, so that's why you got to sell the illusion of choice, if you didn't tell me half of the things didn't matter, I would probably have believed a lot of the things I did had consequences in the long term

The story itself is also painfully lineal, no action that you take will really divert the story in any form, even the dialogue options that I was talking before, that "x will remember that", that only REMOVES the option to say something different in certain scenes

again, if you wanted to keep the story lineal, the way to have presented those options would be instead of removing options because of taking certain choices, going "your actions have unlocked this special dialogue!"

The game also for some reason has a combat system, honestly I think they just added this because every game has combat, because the system really doesn't evolve as the game goes on, it's just a chore. However, the combat skills you unlock will also affect what you can do outside combat, which sounds good, there are 4 main upgrade paths, but after investing certain ammount of skill points into each, you need to find a salutor to keep upgrading it (a salutor is like a cool ghost that helps you), the unlocks of this are tied to the main story

so, whever you start act 2, you expect this to stay the same, in act 2 the game opens up a lot of sidequests, but given the lineal structure of the game so far, you would assume that they would just give you extra lore or more piecs of clothing for the protagonist, but instead, they fucking have the salutors you need, and unless you do those side quests, that I remind you, are OPTIONAL by nature, you will always have a bad end, REGARDLESS of your choices up to that point, which is just bad

also, those skills will again, unlock new choices of dialogue, but they also show you that there are many other locked options

The game just feels WAYYYYYYY too railroady for a game that's supposed to be morally grey were you make difficult choices, a feeling that I never really got playing this game (there are also a thing called "flaws" that has this same problem but i'm not getting into it you just get the idea)

In the end, in act 3, there is a scene where you basically fucking die, spawn in the void, and then someone fucking walks up to you and starts judging all of your actions, this is the only thing that will really determine your ending, and it's a fucking SICK scene but it just that well, the choices I made never really felt difficult or anything, the story up to that point was just kinda mid, so that scene fell flat, but if that was in any other game, that scene would honestly been so peak

even for as much shit as i've given this game, the game still works as a average RPG, you don't have freedom to choose, but that just leaves you with a normal RPG which is honestly enjoyable, nothing too fancy, but it mostly works

placed in C tier

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next: half-life
still watching ginga eiyuu densetsu
have yet to start reading blood meridian



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also, I just looked up in youtube this game to see if anyone I knew had talked about this game, and I found a video titled THE GAME THAT REVOLUTIONIZED THE GAMES ABOUT THAUMATURGES and i'm like bro what others game about thaumaturges are there I had to google that word before starting to play this game like what the fuck
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