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Ymir

Revamped Denizenship Initiative 2023


Kitte, Polyspora, Dementedduck, EBLF2013, Corne2Plum3
DISCLAIMER: Terms are prone to change! Provide your input in the replies.

This is real, this has already begun, and this is a genuine announcement. This will change things quite a bit.

The Denizenship system previously run by the Old Government (Parliament) failed to elect new Denizens for a quarter of a year. Whilst their efforts up to that point was more than respectable, a backlog was growing and action was not being taken. The Grass Party, PadOT! Coalition, a GMT and the current President of Off-Topic has taken their duties without notice. The previous 2 Denizens (Yoony1, Marco) have been elected by this new initiative.

CHANGING THE DENIZENSHIP REQUIREMENTS


What will not change:

- 8 Months & 20 Pages of OT Posts
- An achievement of some sort (read: 'What will change')
- Elected by a group (read: 'What will change')
- Individuals CANNOT leave Denizenship status

What will change:

A registration system alongside the current scouting method will be implemented (and kept, as long as it passes the first few tests). This means that, any Dweller who deems themselves worthy of Denizenship is capable of claiming their own achievements, and negotiate why they should be nominated as a Denizen, so long as they meet the requirements of 8 Months & 20 Pages. This may run alongside the traditional scouting method. Do note that in the rare occurrence that a Dweller is denied at registration, they may re-apply in 2 months.

Why the new system?

This keeps Denizenship more sustainable, and potentially more accurate.

GENERATIONAL ISSUES

Gen 9/10 description change:

Self-Explanatory, the Gen9 description seems relatively weak. As for Gen10, we'll be in charge of altering their description once it ends. I'll be using this thread for it's intended purpose, as a base for Gen9's description, feel free to bring it back if you have any suggestions.

Starting and Ending a generation:

This may be discussed in the future, but do note that we will try to make this process less confusing.

Queries or Concerns?


Feel free to discuss below, or DM me!

Written by Kitte
Corne2Plum3
first UwU
Cerno
interesting
Rezq Gokou
we still get nothing except the title
Topic Starter
Ymir

Rezq Gokou wrote:

we still get nothing except the title
If you expected something greater for talking on a forum, that's pretty much all on you.
We're just here to keep this tradition going.
Reyalp51
So people in gen 10 will change to gen 9?
Topic Starter
Ymir

Reyalp51 wrote:

So people in gen 10 will change to gen 9?
No, not really. We aren't going to alter the place of already nominated Denizens, unless it's under a special circumstance. Similarly, we won't be putting any Dweller in older generations, this is the reason why Marco couldn't be put in Gen8.
Gen10 will be given quite a bit of autonomy over how their generation description goes, however. We're hoping to lessen confusion right now, more than anything.
sametdze
I don't get it
Topic Starter
Ymir

sametdze wrote:

I don't get it
TLDR: You will get to apply for denizenship (once we are done creating the method). Everything else is babble which you may or may not find relevant.
sametdze

Kitte wrote:

sametdze wrote:

I don't get it
TLDR: You will get to apply for denizenship (once we are done creating the method). Everything else is babble which you may or may not find relevant.
So we write a whole persuasive text for denizen
Kinda lame ngl
Scyla
i'm too lazy to apply for one
Rezq Gokou

Kitte wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

we still get nothing except the title
If you expected something greater for talking on a forum, that's pretty much all on you.
We're just here to keep this tradition going.
I was not being serious, so yeah
Topic Starter
Ymir

sametdze wrote:

Kitte wrote:

sametdze wrote:

I don't get it
TLDR: You will get to apply for denizenship (once we are done creating the method). Everything else is babble which you may or may not find relevant.
So we write a whole persuasive text for denizen
Kinda lame ngl
Never said you had to write a paragraph, I'll probably make it a 'list your achievements' sort of thing. Alternatively, you can choose not to do it. We will still be choosing Denizens per usual, without registrations.

This was mainly for people who actually want it really bad, for whatever reason.
Kobold84
This seems to help to those who want it badly for some reason. Not bad I guess? Does it really resolve the fact whoever was in charge of picking new entries is inevitably going to slack again on confirming aforementioned entires? Or does it also mean that the "denizenship committee" is changing, which is implied, but not explicitly said in the OP.
Topic Starter
Ymir

Kobold84 wrote:

This seems to help to those who want it badly for some reason. Not bad I guess? Does it really resolve the fact whoever was in charge of picking new entries is inevitably going to slack again on confirming aforementioned entires? Or does it also mean that the "denizenship committee" is changing, which is implied, but not explicitly said in the OP.
The latter. Sorry if it wasn't clear, the people listed in the title should be in charge now. If I notice anything going wrong, I'll call on new people.
The previous committee was pretty much entirely different. I think it's less to do with them slacking on the Denizenship Project, more to do with the fact that most of them quit OT! altogether.

Or at least, ShinRun has. I don't know how they separated their roles, but ShinRun was the one who seemed to write the individual Denizen descriptions.
The previous two were written by me.
Kobold84

Kitte wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

This seems to help to those who want it badly for some reason. Not bad I guess? Does it really resolve the fact whoever was in charge of picking new entries is inevitably going to slack again on confirming aforementioned entires? Or does it also mean that the "denizenship committee" is changing, which is implied, but not explicitly said in the OP.
The latter. Sorry if it wasn't clear, the people listed in the title should be in charge now. If I notice anything going wrong, I'll call on new people.
The previous committee was pretty much entirely different. I think it's less to do with them slacking on the Denizenship Project, more to do with the fact that most of them quit OT! altogether.

Or at least, ShinRun has. I don't know how they separated their roles, but ShinRun was the one who seemed to write the individual Denizen descriptions.
The previous two were written by me.
Gotcha. Now that's the real game-changer here, anything else is an extra.
Polyspora
lot of big words wont read :D
Patatitta
it really took you guys a while to try solving that gen9-gen10 problem, but since this was a thing I personally did suggest when it happened, and one of the reasons why I made OT!Eras, I do agree with this
lostsilver
so do i count?
Duck o-o

Polyspora wrote:

lot of big words wont read :D
same, i still dont know whats happening and im part of it lul
Polyspora

Dementedduck wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

lot of big words wont read :D
same, i still dont know whats happening and im part of it lul
you're very cute thats why you're part of it
Topic Starter
Ymir

lostsilver wrote:

so do i count?
Yes, you meet the requirements now.
lostsilver

Kitte wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

so do i count?
Yes, you meet the requirements now.
yayy i'm a denizen :D
i'm honored to finally be one, thank you so much
ABluetap11

lostsilver wrote:

Kitte wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

so do i count?
Yes, you meet the requirements now.
yayy i'm a denizen :D
i'm honored to finally be one, thank you so much
Yay! :D I'm so happy for ya
Topic Starter
Ymir

lostsilver wrote:

Kitte wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

so do i count?
Yes, you meet the requirements now.
yayy i'm a denizen :D
i'm honored to finally be one, thank you so much
Well you meet the requirements, as do a lot of Dwellers. You don't have it yet but you'll probably get it soon.
lostsilver

Kitte wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Kitte wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

so do i count?
Yes, you meet the requirements now.
yayy i'm a denizen :D
i'm honored to finally be one, thank you so much
Well you meet the requirements, as do a lot of Dwellers. You don't have it yet but you'll probably get it soon.
well still, i'm honored <3
- Marco -
hi it me
DM FOR MUTUAL
Can you give examples of what counts as "achievements"?

Also what's the process of registering for this, do we send you our resume and cover letter in the osu dms

Also why can't we leave denizenship status

Also how often will new denizens be anointed. Is there some sort of timeframe, or will it just be whenever someone qualifies?
Topic Starter
Ymir

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Can you give examples of what counts as "achievements"?

Also what's the process of registering for this, do we send you our resume and cover letter in the osu dms

Also why can't we leave denizenship status

Also how often will new denizens be anointed. Is there some sort of timeframe, or will it just be whenever someone qualifies?
Achievements are determined by the one who registers themselves. There is no set definition for it, if you think you've accomplished something or made a good thread, you can list it.

The registering process isn't out yet. It will probably involve DMs or Google Sites, or both. It should be simple to set up, and we have several ways of going about it.

You can't leave because of the original reason denizenship was created. Abraker created denizenship to separate the terms "oldfag, midfag and newfag" into distinct generations. It's a history-keeping measure, and we intend to keep it the way he visioned it.

It will be whenever someone qualifies. We're aiming for at least 1 denizen per month, but it will likely be at a rate of 2 per month. Right now we're shooting off Denizens to take care of the missing work from the last 3 months.
Aireunaeus
Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
Topic Starter
Ymir

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
Personally speaking, I think Gen10 existing is okay.
Aireunaeus

Kitte wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
Personally speaking, I think Gen10 existing is okay.
Hmm.. why though?
Polyspora

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
why
Aireunaeus

Polyspora wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
why
There were missing some people in that generation for example kaaruumii or duck etc.. it kinda makes sense though cuz karu left the ot community for a while, making us having the least amount of members…

And im feeling ashamed on having the least members lol if like were the loser generation lol
Isshiki Kaname
Gen 1 doesn't even visit ot lol
Topic Starter
Ymir

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kitte wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
Personally speaking, I think Gen10 existing is okay.
Hmm.. why though?
Generations change when there is a shift in posting culture. Gen9 seems quite different to Gen10. Even though shitposting was quite big in Gen9, it's gotten a lot bigger in Gen10. We've also shifted more towards discussion threads (a direction I welcome), and see more older posters coming back.
Roleplaying looks very different now too.

It has also been pretty typical to be active in one generation, only to be placed in the later one. I don't see much issue in it.
ColdTooth
can i still be the old guy that everyone pays taxes for
Serraionga
why is that thread still not pinned

like, i don't even have any jokes left. can we just pin it please

Kobold84 wrote:

Gotcha. Now that's the real game-changer here, anything else is an extra.
Hi Kobold Can You Pin This Threde Pelease. Por Favor.
Patatitta
tbf I feel now it's the worst time to pin it given how bad maintained it has been for the last few years and how much drama it's surrounded, I would currently opose a pin tbh
Kobold84

Serraionga wrote:

why is that thread still not pinned

like, i don't even have any jokes left. can we just pin it please

Kobold84 wrote:

Gotcha. Now that's the real game-changer here, anything else is an extra.
Hi Kobold Can You Pin This Threde Pelease. Por Favor.
If it was left unpinned for 5 years, why pin it now? You never know which sinister spirits you might anger with this move. It's also kind of funny to see the thread being a recurring theme once in a while on the frontpage.
Rezq Gokou
loserotaku denizen when?
Aireunaeus

Kitte wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kitte wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Hello, still upset with the gen 9 having the least members
Personally speaking, I think Gen10 existing is okay.
Hmm.. why though?
Generations change when there is a shift in posting culture. Gen9 seems quite different to Gen10. Even though shitposting was quite big in Gen9, it's gotten a lot bigger in Gen10. We've also shifted more towards discussion threads (a direction I welcome), and see more older posters coming back.
Roleplaying looks very different now too.

It has also been pretty typical to be active in one generation, only to be placed in the later one. I don't see much issue in it.
welp i guess i need to get used to having the least members lol
Corne2Plum3

Rezq Gokou wrote:

loserotaku denizen when?
Who's this guy?
z0z

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

loserotaku denizen when?
Who's this guy?
lostsilver

z0z wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

loserotaku denizen when?
Who's this guy?
Offdensen
yummy
Jarcrafted
Wow
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