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both are old though
:sigh:
:sigh:
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p/6294254 - Mapper creates map with extreme difficulty spikes
I am also thinking of providing descriptions of mapper arguments, the opposing arguments, and what ended up happening. The listings currently serves as a compilation for reference and I am thinking of expanding it to serve as an explanation for how things work and why things need to be done a certain way via the listed as examples. Might take a while for me to fill those in.
I am also thinking of providing descriptions of mapper arguments, the opposing arguments, and what ended up happening. The listings currently serves as a compilation for reference and I am thinking of expanding it to serve as an explanation for how things work and why things need to be done a certain way via the listed as examples. Might take a while for me to fill those in.
OH BOY ANOTHER 8+* DIFFICULTY FROM KROYTZ AND 4 MAPS QUALIFIED FROM HIM AROUND THE SAME TIME
man i love 2017-2018 mapping, really makes this game so fun! lol jk i wanna fucking kms
man i love 2017-2018 mapping, really makes this game so fun! lol jk i wanna fucking kms
Oh man, I remember the Thunderclowns speedrank. It wasn't really much drama though. BATs got a slap on the wrist and that was the end of it.
can we make mapping drama in this thread about a list of mapping drama
holy VINXIS sTOP WRITING PP SONGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can we DMCA all vinxis songs from this gameMishima Yurara wrote:
can we make mapping drama in this thread about a list of mapping drama
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
hey guys while y'all here go check out my soundcloud im dropping new fire songs for mappers to make pp maps out of https://soundcloud.com/vinxis
E m i
Actually, I rarely use whole numbers, I like decimals.Momi wrote:
your new map will be cs4 ar8 od9 hp8 and 5 starsColdTooth wrote:
OH BOY ANOTHER 8+* DIFFICULTY FROM KROYTZ AND 4 MAPS QUALIFIED FROM HIM AROUND THE SAME TIME
man i love 2017-2018 mapping, really makes this game so fun! lol jk i wanna fucking kms
hey i never said i don't like that
Decimals are cancer.
Wow I actually agree.
Fractions are superior.
Fractions are superior.
I mean...
Okay, you got me, I will remove all of my maps from 2015-2017
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Shohei Ohtani
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People take this game too seriously
Can be said again over the past few days, really.abraker wrote:
People take this game too seriously
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play unranked. That's the wayColdTooth wrote:
Can be said again over the past few days, really.abraker wrote:
People take this game too seriously
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here we go
https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... dmcad_xdd/ - Sotark's pp meme map gets DMCA'd by a frustrated player
https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... dmcad_xdd/ - Sotark's pp meme map gets DMCA'd by a frustrated player
abraker wrote:
here we go
https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/comments/8pzx27/sotarks_despacito_has_been_dmcad_xdd/ - Sotark's pp meme map gets DMCA'd by a frustrated player
ft. R3 Music Box
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/628469/d ... ll#/368630 --->SV usage is excessive
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Added- Aries - wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/628469/discussion/-/generalAll#/368630 --->SV usage is excessive
There is no shortage of mania sv maps in today's meta. While that is a good thing, the problem is that I hate sv.
,,, Sincerely,
Ranked is Dead
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/749998/discussion/1579567/timeline/pending this ones pretty juicy
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That's a gold mine boi!neko-san da wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/749998/discussion/1579567/timeline/pending this ones pretty juicy
I claim 75% of me earnings
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minor argument between a couple people, nothing really notableMinNin wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/166689/start=102
idk if this is drama or not
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/820695/d ... al#/454210
idk it's drama or not.....wtf the discussion is too long.......lazy to read XD
idk it's drama or not.....wtf the discussion is too long.......lazy to read XD
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oh that's drama alright. Be sure to grab a whole bucket of popcorn for this one- Aries - wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/820695/discussion/1720274/general#/454210
idk it's drama or not.....wtf the discussion is too long.......lazy to read XD
sorry for necrobump but i dont have any drama to share 
i want more drama
i want more drama
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Can someone here who follows the mapping scene tell me if there is something juicy going on?
Something about Sotarks, most likely.
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https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/823960/discussion/-/generalAll#/505116 - Mapper maps a 30 second cut to a previously mapped song; Argument that this is laziness and not quality
new one in a while, thanks CB
new one in a while, thanks CB
Quibbly wrote:
Surprised no one got triggered at the necro
That's just because this thread isn't a shitpost and is actually interesting.
Westonini wrote:
Quibbly wrote:
Surprised no one got triggered at the necro
That's just because this thread isn't a shitpost and is actually interesting.
A LEGAL necro? le gasp
there's gonna be people saying "b-but other mappers do it so it's okay XD!!!1" over there isn't itabraker wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/823960/discussion/-/generalAll#/505116 - Mapper maps a 30 second cut to a previously mapped song; Argument that this is laziness and not quality
EDIT: yup, called it
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Someone should make a mapping drama bingo table
i'm really tired and haven't kept up with mapping drama in a long time, you go fill the rest of the blanks
Quibbly wrote:
Westonini wrote:
Quibbly wrote:
Surprised no one got triggered at the necro
That's just because this thread isn't a shitpost and is actually interesting.
A LEGAL necro? le gasp
I'll allow it.
Flanster wrote:
Quibbly wrote:
A LEGAL necro? le gasp
I'll allow it.
LE GASP
i can probas make one next monthSerraionga wrote:
i'm really tired and haven't kept up with mapping drama in a long time, you go fill the rest of the blanks
Found Something!!!
Please add this: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/740672/discussion/1562551/general/pending
TBH... I found this to be somewhat close to me about mapping related....
Please add this: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/740672/discussion/1562551/general/pending
TBH... I found this to be somewhat close to me about mapping related....
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needs further developments, not involving only two people
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so what's the difference between (1,0) and (4,1)?
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/738265/discussion/-/generalAll/pending
I finally found some.
This is a legit mapping drama!
Issue about two a mapset getting qualified with less mods. Others are complaining about aesthetics and poor judgement of the BN's who nominated the mapset.
I finally found some.
This is a legit mapping drama!
Issue about two a mapset getting qualified with less mods. Others are complaining about aesthetics and poor judgement of the BN's who nominated the mapset.
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small drama so far, but qualifies
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abraker wrote:
small drama so far, but qualifies
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Mind you that I joined in to express my opinions about aesthetics and how BN's handle such maps to nominations with little or questionable modding.
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unless it's someone who would go into osu mapping history books for partaking in the heated discussion, I'd avoid explicitly naming people part of it.
abraker wrote:
unless it's someone who would go into osu mapping history books for partaking in the heated discussion, I'd avoid explicitly naming people part of it.
I understand it. This is only for archiving purposes. Also, naming people imo at these kind of 'sensitive issues' is a bad idea.
nice i'm on that list
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/870930/discussion/1819853/general/pending
An argument about the way Normal was mapped. Even decent players can't play it. Other questions the credibility of qualifying such map.
Twitter feed comment.
https://twitter.com/TheShadowxdd/status/1069047816360734720
An argument about the way Normal was mapped. Even decent players can't play it. Other questions the credibility of qualifying such map.
Twitter feed comment.
https://twitter.com/TheShadowxdd/status/1069047816360734720
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The discussion might be short-lived but here's something (not much drama really imo)
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/866806/discussion/-/generalAll
Mapper gave up his map from being ranked because of breaking the guideline about compilation which says needs three songs instead of two. QAT and Nominators had voiced out thier opinions on why it's considered unrankable.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/866806/discussion/-/generalAll
Mapper gave up his map from being ranked because of breaking the guideline about compilation which says needs three songs instead of two. QAT and Nominators had voiced out thier opinions on why it's considered unrankable.
Yeah I saw that too. Man, he's unlucky.
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while short lived, I think that's a good example of ranking criteria's effects on what kind of maps make it to ranked
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Aiseca wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/870930/discussion/1819853/general/pending
INFO REDACTED
A follow-up on this particular story:
Monstrata finally dropped the bomb to the mapper on how he sees the map.
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damn monstrata
I don't care about rhythm choices. I want to decipher the map whatever it is. So long as it doesn't show a middle finger to the player via a diff spike or some ridiculously hard to do section, it should be alright. As a player I play first, and question the mapping last.
I don't care about rhythm choices. I want to decipher the map whatever it is. So long as it doesn't show a middle finger to the player via a diff spike or some ridiculously hard to do section, it should be alright. As a player I play first, and question the mapping last.
AI-chan reporting another very spicy one (this is actually got ranked like WTF....)
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/852901/discussion#/669017
Mappers have their own concept on how to reflect the song and also some very controversial topics on nomination. Massive wall of text and fiery arguments from the community spread out of the discussion room.
One also used A-L-I-E-N map as a baseline for the argument
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/852901/discussion#/669017
Mappers have their own concept on how to reflect the song and also some very controversial topics on nomination. Massive wall of text and fiery arguments from the community spread out of the discussion room.
One also used A-L-I-E-N map as a baseline for the argument
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spicy
but I argue flow is as subjective as the line they draw for definition. First definition would concern when you can no longer move the cursor in a smooth motion. The subjectivity mostly comes from the player's ability to maintain around the same velocity throughout the pattern (assuming they do that instead of snapping). Sharp angles can be said to have flow like star patterns and such, and first definition doesn't cover those. Second definition would concern the stress the player experience when trying to reach an aimpoint.
but I argue flow is as subjective as the line they draw for definition. First definition would concern when you can no longer move the cursor in a smooth motion. The subjectivity mostly comes from the player's ability to maintain around the same velocity throughout the pattern (assuming they do that instead of snapping). Sharp angles can be said to have flow like star patterns and such, and first definition doesn't cover those. Second definition would concern the stress the player experience when trying to reach an aimpoint.
abraker wrote:
spicy
but I argue flow is as subjective as the line they draw for when you can no longer move the cursor in a smooth motion. The subjectivity mostly comes from the player's ability to maintain around the same velocity throughout the pattern (assuming they do that instead of snapping).
The level of subjectiveness differs from player to player and what skill level they actually attain. that could be the reason why others see it fine while others don't.
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I updated my response before I saw your reply
second definition covers what you have said
second definition covers what you have said
abraker wrote:
I updated my response before I saw your reply
second definition covers what you have said
I think were on the same boat on this issue then.
oh my, the good old days LOL
if somebody was found nowadays ranking a map with inconsistency in timing between diffs, they'd get booted right away prob xD
if somebody was found nowadays ranking a map with inconsistency in timing between diffs, they'd get booted right away prob xD
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https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5666947 - mapper makes highest diff with extremely hard jacks in the ending. Drama ensues over tastes as the map gets rep from player rating. Drama resolves until bubble pop by QAT for keeping ending intact.
Recent events at the mapping scene brought up many people to question the system. Do you think with the current proposals here and there being put up to be discussed and have a "community-wide input" on how to make the system work well at both ends of the mapper and the higher-ups can finally be done at the start of a new chapter of mapping? Or is it another gust of wind just passing by and will be sent yet again to the depths without resolution?
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"Community-wide" input is not wide enough. I am actively engaging those threads and mostly BN, mappers, and modders are responding. Huge polarization on how to deal with controversial maps. Some want a QAT dictatorship to firmly decide against "low quality" maps, whatever the subjective viewpoint is. Some proposed to let random QAT and BN vote what to per controversial maps. Some are complaining ranking criteria is too relaxed and is causing the mess with controversial maps. Others propose to have the players vote if the QAT can't decide.
Ultimately, peoples have tastes differ yet those who have specific tastes and want to restrict controversial maps are the most dangerous. I am not sure whether they are aware or not of it because they can be just unhappy with how a mapper got away pushing an experimental map they don't approve of, and think nothing about how thier ideals would play out on a wider spectrum. Fears about maps curated to certain tastes and such.
Ultimately, peoples have tastes differ yet those who have specific tastes and want to restrict controversial maps are the most dangerous. I am not sure whether they are aware or not of it because they can be just unhappy with how a mapper got away pushing an experimental map they don't approve of, and think nothing about how thier ideals would play out on a wider spectrum. Fears about maps curated to certain tastes and such.
kinda small really 
spread issues :
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/875083/discussion/-/generalAll#/694219
spread issues :
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/875083/discussion/-/generalAll#/694219
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Meh it's a relatively cool 15 deg C
Tho what the hell is this
Tho what the hell is this
Bunch of cancer(hororscope one) emoji.abraker wrote:
Meh it's a relatively cool 15 deg C
Tho what the hell is this
didn't you know that most nominators are also top-tier comediansabraker wrote:
Tho what the hell is this
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Added.
How much variation does there need to be for the map to be unenjoyable due to inconsistency? Likewise how much variation should be present in a map so that it's not boring due to repeatition?
How much variation does there need to be for the map to be unenjoyable due to inconsistency? Likewise how much variation should be present in a map so that it's not boring due to repeatition?
Lol the drama blew up so quickly.
By the time of my report, it was just like 14 pending, now it's 54 (O_O!)
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Based on my modding experience, I think inconsistency can be called if a similar rhythm was mapped in a completely different way than the previous [mostly occurring on full length songs] (ex* the rhythm was first mapped as sliders with sharp angles at the first kiai; then you mapped the same rhythm on the second half, but this time mapped as stacked sliderheads.)
Variation (according to some people) needs in order to make a section not look like a half-assed copy pasted section of the former mapped part. But also variation in a sense that it should maintain the core structure of the rhythm itself [like jumps, emphasis, movement, flow + other subjective s*it that was not known to most new mappers now described at wiki.]
People's perception of these seems to differ in weight in terms on how they judge a map whether it was inconsistent and or too much variation.
If a map should be mapped exactly the same; the map would suffer a lackluster quality.
If a map doesn't have that much of a visual variation; the map would suffer a lackluster appeal.
In the end mapping is really easy; ranking tho..... Lolz.
By the time of my report, it was just like 14 pending, now it's 54 (O_O!)
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abraker wrote:
How much variation does there need to be for the map to be unenjoyable due to inconsistency? Likewise how much variation should be present in a map so that it's not boring due to repeatition?
Based on my modding experience, I think inconsistency can be called if a similar rhythm was mapped in a completely different way than the previous [mostly occurring on full length songs] (ex* the rhythm was first mapped as sliders with sharp angles at the first kiai; then you mapped the same rhythm on the second half, but this time mapped as stacked sliderheads.)
Variation (according to some people) needs in order to make a section not look like a half-assed copy pasted section of the former mapped part. But also variation in a sense that it should maintain the core structure of the rhythm itself [like jumps, emphasis, movement, flow + other subjective s*it that was not known to most new mappers now described at wiki.]
People's perception of these seems to differ in weight in terms on how they judge a map whether it was inconsistent and or too much variation.
If a map should be mapped exactly the same; the map would suffer a lackluster quality.
If a map doesn't have that much of a visual variation; the map would suffer a lackluster appeal.
In the end mapping is really easy; ranking tho..... Lolz.
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an old one
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4450590 - The now famous map Reol - Asymmetry was DQ'd, resetting the scoreboards and prompting rage from players for loss of pp
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4450590 - The now famous map Reol - Asymmetry was DQ'd, resetting the scoreboards and prompting rage from players for loss of pp
oh hey, that's one of my favorites
i still remember it like it was yesterday
fuck a donkey
i still remember it like it was yesterday
fuck a donkey
I found this to be somewhat entertaining:
A mod about timing in the song that made the mapper go clueless about the timing Gods' discussion. 😂
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/889855/discussion/1860169/general#/706067
A mod about timing in the song that made the mapper go clueless about the timing Gods' discussion. 😂
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/889855/discussion/1860169/general#/706067
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An amusing read indeed. Its highlight in this thread shall be featured in your post.
Diff spike argument; mapper finds it okay while the BNs and QAT don't.
P.S. Lasse's comment is funny
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/888498/discussion/1857124/timeline#/710383
P.S. Lasse's comment is funny
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/888498/discussion/1857124/timeline#/710383
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Yea there is a fine line to walk across when it comes to making patterns that allow the player feel the impact vs not making it so hard. That said, I don't know what kind of full screen jumos those are, but I have played plenty in older maps.
abraker wrote:
Yea there is a fine line to walk across when it comes to making patterns that allow the player feel the impact vs not making it so hard. That said, I don't know what kind of full screen jumos those are, but I have played plenty in older maps.
Full screen jumps is allowed I assume in a few conditions:
1 - if the jumps were supported by a very obvious big sounds in the music.
2 - if the screen jumps were present only in ultra diff still bearing the first condition stated.
3 - making sure that it is readable and not spamming it across the board..
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My map actually uses a near cross screen 1/2 jump since it's ultra diff. I have to nerf the same thing in expert and lower diffs for compensation.
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I am talking about full screen jumps in hard and insane. Usually at 1/2 meter at less than 160 bpm.
they shouldn't be exclusive to top tier diffs
they shouldn't be exclusive to top tier diffs
abraker wrote:
I am talking about full screen jumps in hard and insane. Usually at 1/2 meter at less than 160 bpm.
they shouldn't be exclusive to top tier diffs
Hmm... I'm sketchy about screen jumps on hard... It's absurd and creates a huge skill gap between it and lower diffs.
Insane tho is possible for jumps, but half screen to 1/3 is the most conservative I can think of..
Mapping style varies depending on how long the song.
Most insane diff upwards in TV Size maps has ridiculous spacing just to spike up the SR requirements even if it's not that needed really.
On the other hand, full length songs must nerf things down on the same diffs in order to compensate as "the lowest diff available in the map set".
A long argument about potential over map and forced 2B elements. Random passerby called the mod as a "try hard to DQ for subjective issues". The modder gave up on the mapper on explaining the problem, BNs responded and found the case to be valid and deemed unrankable.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/866401/discussion/1857321/general#/705570
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/866401/discussion/1857321/general#/705570
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Metadata issues then what is veto
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/618352/discussion/-/generalAll#/717671
Anyway, it leads to this
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/851874
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/618352/discussion/-/generalAll#/717671
Anyway, it leads to this
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/851874
Metadata is a pain. Since there to many sources and some may contradicting what is right or wrong way to phrase certain stuff.
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I think people make too big of a deal out of it. imo it should be sufficient enough to point to the source
Ye . If you able to find that song with that info you are fine
Complaints about BG being "NSFW" despite it being a legit picture of an art piece.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/891356/discussion/-/generalAll#/736245
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/891356/discussion/-/generalAll#/736245
this person speaks the truth
it's best to change the thing before osu! kiddies start going mental about it, even if it's NSFW or not
"LOL THE BG HAS A BOB O.O Xdddddddddd LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
Modder makes a mod about one slider, and then mapper replies with toxic response. It all snowballs from there.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/881522/discussion/1855754/timeline
tfw you're the modder
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/881522/discussion/1855754/timeline
tfw you're the modder