i don't agree with the idea that beatmaps are made for a target audience (at least i don't do that).
i already said earlier that i don't map for anyone in particular, i just map the way i like.
mapping for target audience (that the mapper himself may not be included) can be interpreted as mapping to become a popular mapper even at the cost of not liking your own creation. (not everyone are like that, but there are mappers like that for sure) beatmapping should be about expressing yourself, not impressing other people.
basically everyone is my target audience, including the players from the other game modes, they are free to play my map (if they don't like it that's another story...)
it's just a matter of who would actually be interested in giving it a try, some people might not want to give it a try, because they don't like the song, they only play maps that are trending, they only play maps from popular mappers, they only play maps with specific star rating, length, language...
to me, it's not accurate to assume everyone from the possible target audience will enjoy the map, and that no one that's not part of that possible target audience would dislike the map.
WubWoofWolf for exemple, if he is supposed to be part of a specific target audience, then he is part of the audience that plays competitively for Performance Points, maps that gives less than 300 pp would not interest him, but WWW often plays old maps and easier diffs that gives him no PP at all.
another exemple is henry11ei, never talked to him before, he accepted to testplay my map, i checked his profile, his rank is 6 digit and he already played over 15.000 times, but his most played beatmap is big black (over 150 plays is enough to know that "the map was made for 3 digit players or better", so he played the map that much because he liked it or because he wanted to improve his skills, the real reason doesn't really matters, what's relevant is the fact that he was interested in the beatmap even when he would not be considered part of a possible target audience)
it's up to the player that added a map to his client to decide if the map interests him or not, he can play a map regardless of being able to make a full combo, or to even complete it. that's why the mods that makes the maps easier or impossible to fail exists, so anyone will be able to enjoy any map. same applies for the mods the makes the maps harder, they allow competitive players to play easier maps competitively...
i guess we can say that older players/mappers would usually like my map more, considering that all the very skilled veterans i asked for opinions accepted my map the way it is, but that's just a consequence of the way i like to map.
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i will be getting testplays from players with different skill levels, i'm okay with doing this, so far i got:
asked for testplays on modhelp
only henry11hey accepted at that time.
his performance was not good at all but he didn't blame my mapping style or anything about my hitsounds.
i think his performance is just relative to his skill level, 6 digit player able to complete the map but with bad accuracy and several misses.
the misses were not on places with slider tick sounds
i also asked for testplays on the brazillian mapper's discord server
Bariton and TheBenderGamer accepted
Ataraxia accepted too but he already modded/testplayed the map ages ago, he made a live stream modding/testplaying the map and the link is on description
if i recal correctly, ataraxia didn't complain about the slider ticks at any moment, and even if he did he changed his mind eventually because he didn't post anything about the slider tick hitsounds on his mod.
he did a FC in the 1st try, very good accuracy, i asked if he was using his own skin and if he disabled the map's hitsounds. he was using his own skin but didn't disable the hitsounds.
he praised my "taikosu hitsounding". i asked if he noticed my slider tick sounds and if they bothered him, he said he noticed them and they were cute.
later i noticed that i didn't save his replay, then i asked him to play again so i could save it and he got another FC with good accuracy.
he played on his own rather than telling me that he was going to testplay the map, later he sent me a pm complaining about the HP, i said that this could be discussed later and asked him to play again while i watch him play.
his performance was not very good but i asked him and he thinks the map is not mapped wrong, at some point he said that he is not good at ar8 but he didn't mean that it was not fitting, he blames his mousepad for the bad performance, and his skill level.
i asked if he noticed the slider tick hitsounds he said that it was the most noticeable thing in the mapset. i asked if the slider tick hitsounds bothered him he said that they didn't, and the map would feel empty without them.
later i told him that i forget to save his replay so he sent me his saved replay
all of the replays from the mappers i asked for testplay so far
my own lazy replay i used to play better than that, but i'm not playing often lately, so i had a lot of misses, none of them were caused by being confused by hitsounds, mostly aim misses, i mean obvious aim misses, not slider tick misses.
you can go ahead and post your own testplay, but since bariton, a 4 digit player, was able to get a FC on the 1st try, i expect nothing less than a FC with better accuracy from you as you are a 3 digit player. let's not forget about henry11hei, 6 digit player being able to beat my score playing the map the 1st time or 2nd time. he clearly struggled a lot, but he was able to keep a significant combo.
so this is the local ranking with the current saved replays
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i will be getting more testplays eventually.
as for you asking me reasons to map the way i did, it's just as i said before, i didn't wanted to mention your name when i said that "they don't understand their own position as modders" but yeah, you are basically making the same mistake as them.
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i don't need to explain why i did something in a way to prove that it's acceptable, it's the modder's "job" prove that what i'm doing is not acceptable.
to be honest this is not even relevant to the discussion, the way i mapped was accepted already, it's just that people don't want me to use slider ticks sounds and use SB'ed sounds instead.
i'm okay with trying to explain to you how i feel about the song and anything else, but as i said, this is not relevant to the discussion, just ask me ingame and i will do my best to explain. but this will just be me trying to be nice to someone interested in knowing more about the way i map, it does not contributes to the discussion at all.
i already said earlier that i don't map for anyone in particular, i just map the way i like.
mapping for target audience (that the mapper himself may not be included) can be interpreted as mapping to become a popular mapper even at the cost of not liking your own creation. (not everyone are like that, but there are mappers like that for sure) beatmapping should be about expressing yourself, not impressing other people.
basically everyone is my target audience, including the players from the other game modes, they are free to play my map (if they don't like it that's another story...)
it's just a matter of who would actually be interested in giving it a try, some people might not want to give it a try, because they don't like the song, they only play maps that are trending, they only play maps from popular mappers, they only play maps with specific star rating, length, language...
to me, it's not accurate to assume everyone from the possible target audience will enjoy the map, and that no one that's not part of that possible target audience would dislike the map.
WubWoofWolf for exemple, if he is supposed to be part of a specific target audience, then he is part of the audience that plays competitively for Performance Points, maps that gives less than 300 pp would not interest him, but WWW often plays old maps and easier diffs that gives him no PP at all.
another exemple is henry11ei, never talked to him before, he accepted to testplay my map, i checked his profile, his rank is 6 digit and he already played over 15.000 times, but his most played beatmap is big black (over 150 plays is enough to know that "the map was made for 3 digit players or better", so he played the map that much because he liked it or because he wanted to improve his skills, the real reason doesn't really matters, what's relevant is the fact that he was interested in the beatmap even when he would not be considered part of a possible target audience)
it's up to the player that added a map to his client to decide if the map interests him or not, he can play a map regardless of being able to make a full combo, or to even complete it. that's why the mods that makes the maps easier or impossible to fail exists, so anyone will be able to enjoy any map. same applies for the mods the makes the maps harder, they allow competitive players to play easier maps competitively...
i guess we can say that older players/mappers would usually like my map more, considering that all the very skilled veterans i asked for opinions accepted my map the way it is, but that's just a consequence of the way i like to map.
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i will be getting testplays from players with different skill levels, i'm okay with doing this, so far i got:
asked for testplays on modhelp
only henry11hey accepted at that time.
chat log henry11hey
20:40 henry11hei: I can do it
20:40 pimpG: i want to watch
20:40 *henry11hei is away: eating
20:40 pimpG: can you also play with default osu skin and stuff?
20:40 henry11hei: I can try
20:40 *pimpG is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1489084 3L - Macrophylla Parasol]
20:41 henry11hei: I am here mapping rewind 2015
20:46 pimpG: how do i save your replay btw?
20:48 pimpG: i'm trying to think on relevant question to ask...
20:49 pimpG: what's your opinion on the map?
20:49 henry11hei: is fine
20:49 henry11hei: deafult skin is killing me
20:49 pimpG: what about your performance? do you think i mapped anything that was too confusing that made you miss that much?
20:50 pimpG: or is it just above your skill level?
20:50 henry11hei: the skin
20:50 henry11hei: THE SKIN
20:50 pimpG: then please play again with your skin
20:50 pimpG: if you can
20:50 henry11hei: I think something died inside me
20:50 pimpG: ??
20:51 henry11hei: ok
20:55 henry11hei: it kinda remind me of old maps
20:58 pimpG: it is an old map, i'm from 2010, most of this map was made it 2013~2014
20:58 pimpG: again, is there anything confusing about this map?
20:59 henry11hei: and you sumitet in 2016?
20:59 pimpG: yeah
20:59 henry11hei: I think it was fine
20:59 pimpG: i usually submit completed maps
20:59 pimpG: this one was complete, but with experimental hitsounds
21:00 pimpG: do you think i have confusing hitsounds?
21:00 henry11hei: I don't think it was so much confusing with the map
21:01 pimpG: do you allow me to save this log and post in the thread with your replay files later?
21:01 henry11hei: but why do you need people to test play it?
21:01 henry11hei: yes
21:01 pimpG: some people claim that the way i mapped is confusing
21:01 pimpG: my hitsounds are bad
21:02 pimpG: the whole drama is in the thread
21:02 pimpG: starting at page 3
21:02 henry11hei: it is a old map
21:02 pimpG: yeah, it can be seen that way
21:02 henry11hei: so no wonder people gonna complain
21:03 pimpG: yeah, but the people that makes maps qualified nowadays are too close minded
21:03 henry11hei: https://puu.sh/yCY38/0b0362f087.osr
21:03 henry11hei: replay
21:03 pimpG: if they are not familiar with something, then it's not rankeable for them
21:04 henry11hei: maybe
21:04 henry11hei: idk
21:04 pimpG: i asked a lot of veterans
21:04 pimpG: they all think my map is fine
21:04 pimpG: i mean
21:04 pimpG: i asked val0108
21:05 pimpG: he thinks my map is fine
21:05 henry11hei: I don't have any idea who that is
21:05 pimpG: i asked, mismagius (blue dragon) he also thinks that my map is fine
21:05 pimpG: val0108 is basically one of the gods of beatmapping
21:06 henry11hei: I think the confusen here is the mapper and player
21:06 pimpG: blue dragon is not far behind
21:06 pimpG: what?
21:06 henry11hei: the conmunity
21:06 henry11hei: is have been diffrent since 2010
21:07 henry11hei: I have idea
21:07 pimpG: yup, this map you testplayed i consider my best beatmap, and i'm struggling to get it qualified
21:07 pimpG: my 1st map was not very polished and i got it ranked easily
21:07 pimpG: but it was in 2012
21:08 pimpG: so yeah, BN's are too close minded
21:08 pimpG: do you know anyone else that would accept to testplay my map?
21:08 henry11hei: it is not the first time something like this happen
21:08 pimpG: definitely
21:08 henry11hei: nope
21:09 henry11hei: good luck getting it rank
21:09 pimpG: i will do my best, thanks for your help
20:40 pimpG: i want to watch
20:40 *henry11hei is away: eating
20:40 pimpG: can you also play with default osu skin and stuff?
20:40 henry11hei: I can try
20:40 *pimpG is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1489084 3L - Macrophylla Parasol]
20:41 henry11hei: I am here mapping rewind 2015
20:46 pimpG: how do i save your replay btw?
20:48 pimpG: i'm trying to think on relevant question to ask...
20:49 pimpG: what's your opinion on the map?
20:49 henry11hei: is fine
20:49 henry11hei: deafult skin is killing me
20:49 pimpG: what about your performance? do you think i mapped anything that was too confusing that made you miss that much?
20:50 pimpG: or is it just above your skill level?
20:50 henry11hei: the skin
20:50 henry11hei: THE SKIN
20:50 pimpG: then please play again with your skin
20:50 pimpG: if you can
20:50 henry11hei: I think something died inside me
20:50 pimpG: ??
20:51 henry11hei: ok
20:55 henry11hei: it kinda remind me of old maps
20:58 pimpG: it is an old map, i'm from 2010, most of this map was made it 2013~2014
20:58 pimpG: again, is there anything confusing about this map?
20:59 henry11hei: and you sumitet in 2016?
20:59 pimpG: yeah
20:59 henry11hei: I think it was fine
20:59 pimpG: i usually submit completed maps
20:59 pimpG: this one was complete, but with experimental hitsounds
21:00 pimpG: do you think i have confusing hitsounds?
21:00 henry11hei: I don't think it was so much confusing with the map
21:01 pimpG: do you allow me to save this log and post in the thread with your replay files later?
21:01 henry11hei: but why do you need people to test play it?
21:01 henry11hei: yes
21:01 pimpG: some people claim that the way i mapped is confusing
21:01 pimpG: my hitsounds are bad
21:02 pimpG: the whole drama is in the thread
21:02 pimpG: starting at page 3
21:02 henry11hei: it is a old map
21:02 pimpG: yeah, it can be seen that way
21:02 henry11hei: so no wonder people gonna complain
21:03 pimpG: yeah, but the people that makes maps qualified nowadays are too close minded
21:03 henry11hei: https://puu.sh/yCY38/0b0362f087.osr
21:03 henry11hei: replay
21:03 pimpG: if they are not familiar with something, then it's not rankeable for them
21:04 henry11hei: maybe
21:04 henry11hei: idk
21:04 pimpG: i asked a lot of veterans
21:04 pimpG: they all think my map is fine
21:04 pimpG: i mean
21:04 pimpG: i asked val0108
21:05 pimpG: he thinks my map is fine
21:05 henry11hei: I don't have any idea who that is
21:05 pimpG: i asked, mismagius (blue dragon) he also thinks that my map is fine
21:05 pimpG: val0108 is basically one of the gods of beatmapping
21:06 henry11hei: I think the confusen here is the mapper and player
21:06 pimpG: blue dragon is not far behind
21:06 pimpG: what?
21:06 henry11hei: the conmunity
21:06 henry11hei: is have been diffrent since 2010
21:07 henry11hei: I have idea
21:07 pimpG: yup, this map you testplayed i consider my best beatmap, and i'm struggling to get it qualified
21:07 pimpG: my 1st map was not very polished and i got it ranked easily
21:07 pimpG: but it was in 2012
21:08 pimpG: so yeah, BN's are too close minded
21:08 pimpG: do you know anyone else that would accept to testplay my map?
21:08 henry11hei: it is not the first time something like this happen
21:08 pimpG: definitely
21:08 henry11hei: nope
21:09 henry11hei: good luck getting it rank
21:09 pimpG: i will do my best, thanks for your help
his performance was not good at all but he didn't blame my mapping style or anything about my hitsounds.
i think his performance is just relative to his skill level, 6 digit player able to complete the map but with bad accuracy and several misses.
the misses were not on places with slider tick sounds
i also asked for testplays on the brazillian mapper's discord server
Bariton and TheBenderGamer accepted
Ataraxia accepted too but he already modded/testplayed the map ages ago, he made a live stream modding/testplaying the map and the link is on description
if i recal correctly, ataraxia didn't complain about the slider ticks at any moment, and even if he did he changed his mind eventually because he didn't post anything about the slider tick hitsounds on his mod.
chat log Bariton
21:43 *Bariton is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1489084 3L - Macrophylla Parasol]
21:43 Bariton: vo testa
21:43 Bariton: me dá spec
21:43 pimpG: opa blz
21:50 pimpG: fc de primeira
21:50 Bariton: ow mt bom
21:50 Bariton: fc toptop
21:50 pimpG: vc jogou com sua propria skin?
21:50 pimpG: vc desabilitou meus hitsounds?
21:50 Bariton: nop
21:50 Bariton: eu deixo sempre o hitsound
21:50 Bariton: do mapa
21:50 Bariton: mas a skin eu joguei com a minha
21:51 Bariton: gostei dos hitsounds nos ticks :3
21:51 Bariton: talco
21:51 pimpG: valew
21:51 pimpG: então vc os notou mas eles não te incomodaram/atrapalharam, certo?
21:51 Bariton: yw
21:51 Bariton: hmm
21:51 Bariton: não
21:51 Bariton: não mesmo shjsd
21:52 Bariton: eu achei bonitinho
21:52 pimpG: hmmm
21:52 pimpG: vou salvar seu replay
21:52 Bariton: do it
21:52 pimpG: vc me permite postar esse log no thread? junto com o replay?
21:52 Bariton: de boas
21:52 pimpG: blz valew
22:17 pimpG: puts acho que esqueci de salvar o replay
22:17 pimpG: vc tem ai?
22:17 Bariton: nop
22:17 Bariton: se quiser eu jogo dnv
22:17 pimpG: blz
22:17 Bariton: pera so vou ao banheiro q
22:18 pimpG: ok
22:19 Bariton: voltei
22:22 pimpG: salva o replay ai e manda pra mim tb
22:22 pimpG: ai eu mando os 2 replays la na thread
22:25 Bariton: ook
22:26 Bariton: mandei no discord
22:26 pimpG: valew
22:26 Bariton: nd
22:26 Bariton: vou sair
22:26 Bariton: adiso
21:43 Bariton: vo testa
21:43 Bariton: me dá spec
21:43 pimpG: opa blz
21:50 pimpG: fc de primeira
21:50 Bariton: ow mt bom
21:50 Bariton: fc toptop
21:50 pimpG: vc jogou com sua propria skin?
21:50 pimpG: vc desabilitou meus hitsounds?
21:50 Bariton: nop
21:50 Bariton: eu deixo sempre o hitsound
21:50 Bariton: do mapa
21:50 Bariton: mas a skin eu joguei com a minha
21:51 Bariton: gostei dos hitsounds nos ticks :3
21:51 Bariton: talco
21:51 pimpG: valew
21:51 pimpG: então vc os notou mas eles não te incomodaram/atrapalharam, certo?
21:51 Bariton: yw
21:51 Bariton: hmm
21:51 Bariton: não
21:51 Bariton: não mesmo shjsd
21:52 Bariton: eu achei bonitinho
21:52 pimpG: hmmm
21:52 pimpG: vou salvar seu replay
21:52 Bariton: do it
21:52 pimpG: vc me permite postar esse log no thread? junto com o replay?
21:52 Bariton: de boas
21:52 pimpG: blz valew
22:17 pimpG: puts acho que esqueci de salvar o replay
22:17 pimpG: vc tem ai?
22:17 Bariton: nop
22:17 Bariton: se quiser eu jogo dnv
22:17 pimpG: blz
22:17 Bariton: pera so vou ao banheiro q
22:18 pimpG: ok
22:19 Bariton: voltei
22:22 pimpG: salva o replay ai e manda pra mim tb
22:22 pimpG: ai eu mando os 2 replays la na thread
22:25 Bariton: ook
22:26 Bariton: mandei no discord
22:26 pimpG: valew
22:26 Bariton: nd
22:26 Bariton: vou sair
22:26 Bariton: adiso
he did a FC in the 1st try, very good accuracy, i asked if he was using his own skin and if he disabled the map's hitsounds. he was using his own skin but didn't disable the hitsounds.
he praised my "taikosu hitsounding". i asked if he noticed my slider tick sounds and if they bothered him, he said he noticed them and they were cute.
later i noticed that i didn't save his replay, then i asked him to play again so i could save it and he got another FC with good accuracy.
chat log TheBenderGamer
21:59 TheBenderGamer: pimp
21:59 pimpG: ?
21:59 TheBenderGamer: sinto que esse hp está mt grande
21:59 TheBenderGamer: pq vamos dizer uma pessoa de hr
21:59 TheBenderGamer: for jogar
21:59 pimpG: hmm
21:59 TheBenderGamer: esse começo tem umas pausas
21:59 pimpG: na verdade eu queria assistir os testadores
22:00 pimpG: e salvar os replays
22:00 pimpG: conversar
22:00 pimpG: sobre coisas especificas do map
22:00 TheBenderGamer: hm entendi
22:00 pimpG: não importa se vc é capaz de fazer fc
22:00 pimpG: está interessado em testar?
22:00 TheBenderGamer: sim
22:07 pimpG: nada mal
22:07 pimpG: o que achou do map em geral?
22:07 TheBenderGamer: em geral ele está normal
22:07 TheBenderGamer: digo
22:07 TheBenderGamer: n tem problema nenhum com ele com jogabilidade
22:08 pimpG: mas ainda assim vc errou bastante
22:08 pimpG: o que vc diria que foi a causa?
22:08 TheBenderGamer: do meu mouse/mouse pad
22:08 pimpG: hmm
22:08 pimpG: entendo
22:08 TheBenderGamer: como uma hora vai mt distante
22:08 TheBenderGamer: meu mouse fica la em cima
22:08 TheBenderGamer: é complicado
22:09 TheBenderGamer: porém em algumas partes eu senti desconforto
22:09 TheBenderGamer: msm
22:09 TheBenderGamer: porém acredito eu que seja normal ter como em
22:09 TheBenderGamer: 01:40:590 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
22:10 TheBenderGamer: esse é movimento que ao menos
22:10 TheBenderGamer: da desconforto
22:10 TheBenderGamer: mas creio que seja só cmg
22:10 pimpG: acho que nessa parte vc só errou na ultima nota
22:10 TheBenderGamer: sim
22:11 pimpG: vc percebeu meus hitsounds em slider ticks?
22:11 TheBenderGamer: acho que é só isso
22:11 TheBenderGamer: sim mt bem
22:11 TheBenderGamer: é a coisa mais evidente kkkkk
22:11 pimpG: atrapalhou em alguma coisa?
22:11 pimpG: vc acha eles estranhos?
22:11 TheBenderGamer: faz parecer q n estamos jogando no ''vazio''
22:11 TheBenderGamer: não atrapalhou
22:12 TheBenderGamer: ficaria estranho sem eles
22:12 pimpG: bacana, fico feliz que gostou
22:12 pimpG: agora famos falar sobre o hd q vc mencionou
22:12 pimpG: hr
22:12 pimpG: hp
22:12 pimpG: lol
22:12 TheBenderGamer: kk
22:13 pimpG: vc acha que está muito alto para a diff inteira? ou só para o começo que tem poucas notas?
22:13 TheBenderGamer: o começo
22:13 pimpG: antes estava mais alto o hp, eu abaixei um pouco pq reclamaram disso mesmo
22:13 pimpG: vou abaixar uma fração a mais então
22:14 TheBenderGamer: 6.6 ainda é um valor um pouco alto
22:14 TheBenderGamer: deixa 6.4 6.2 sla
22:14 TheBenderGamer: pois acho que a maioria irá jogar de hr
22:14 pimpG: hmm
22:14 pimpG: vou comparar o atual com 6.5
22:15 pimpG: aos poucos vou ajustando o hr conforme o pessoal diz o que pensa sobre
22:15 pimpG: hp*
22:15 pimpG: ah
22:15 TheBenderGamer: mas se você quiser deixar 6.6 n tem problema
22:16 pimpG: vc me autorisa a postar esse replay e esse chat log na thread depois?
22:16 TheBenderGamer: pode
22:16 pimpG: puts esqueci de salvar
22:17 TheBenderGamer: quer q eu passo o replaY?
22:17 pimpG: vc tem ai?
22:17 pimpG: sim
22:17 TheBenderGamer: replay*
22:17 TheBenderGamer: fica salvo
22:17 TheBenderGamer: só n sei se é do jeito que vc quer
22:17 pimpG: a gente ve depois
22:18 pimpG: se eu conseguir usar aqui, provavelmente outros tb conseguem
22:18 TheBenderGamer: mandei no discord
22:18 pimpG: blz, depois eu testo
22:18 pimpG: esqueci de salvar o do bariton tb
22:18 pimpG: ele vai jogar de novo ja que ele tb não salva
22:18 TheBenderGamer: é só pedir
22:18 TheBenderGamer: ele deu fc?
22:18 pimpG: sim xD
22:18 TheBenderGamer: fica salvo no local e é só ele exporta
22:18 pimpG: fc de primeira
22:19 TheBenderGamer: ''posição local''
22:19 TheBenderGamer: ele poderia testar de hr pq ele sabe fazer
22:19 TheBenderGamer: facil
22:19 pimpG: ah deixa, ele vai jogar de novo, eu só vou lembrar de salvar
22:19 TheBenderGamer: blz
22:19 TheBenderGamer: qualquer ajuda é só pedir
22:19 TheBenderGamer: <3
21:59 pimpG: ?
21:59 TheBenderGamer: sinto que esse hp está mt grande
21:59 TheBenderGamer: pq vamos dizer uma pessoa de hr
21:59 TheBenderGamer: for jogar
21:59 pimpG: hmm
21:59 TheBenderGamer: esse começo tem umas pausas
21:59 pimpG: na verdade eu queria assistir os testadores
22:00 pimpG: e salvar os replays
22:00 pimpG: conversar
22:00 pimpG: sobre coisas especificas do map
22:00 TheBenderGamer: hm entendi
22:00 pimpG: não importa se vc é capaz de fazer fc
22:00 pimpG: está interessado em testar?
22:00 TheBenderGamer: sim
22:07 pimpG: nada mal
22:07 pimpG: o que achou do map em geral?
22:07 TheBenderGamer: em geral ele está normal
22:07 TheBenderGamer: digo
22:07 TheBenderGamer: n tem problema nenhum com ele com jogabilidade
22:08 pimpG: mas ainda assim vc errou bastante
22:08 pimpG: o que vc diria que foi a causa?
22:08 TheBenderGamer: do meu mouse/mouse pad
22:08 pimpG: hmm
22:08 pimpG: entendo
22:08 TheBenderGamer: como uma hora vai mt distante
22:08 TheBenderGamer: meu mouse fica la em cima
22:08 TheBenderGamer: é complicado
22:09 TheBenderGamer: porém em algumas partes eu senti desconforto
22:09 TheBenderGamer: msm
22:09 TheBenderGamer: porém acredito eu que seja normal ter como em
22:09 TheBenderGamer: 01:40:590 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
22:10 TheBenderGamer: esse é movimento que ao menos
22:10 TheBenderGamer: da desconforto
22:10 TheBenderGamer: mas creio que seja só cmg
22:10 pimpG: acho que nessa parte vc só errou na ultima nota
22:10 TheBenderGamer: sim
22:11 pimpG: vc percebeu meus hitsounds em slider ticks?
22:11 TheBenderGamer: acho que é só isso
22:11 TheBenderGamer: sim mt bem
22:11 TheBenderGamer: é a coisa mais evidente kkkkk
22:11 pimpG: atrapalhou em alguma coisa?
22:11 pimpG: vc acha eles estranhos?
22:11 TheBenderGamer: faz parecer q n estamos jogando no ''vazio''
22:11 TheBenderGamer: não atrapalhou
22:12 TheBenderGamer: ficaria estranho sem eles
22:12 pimpG: bacana, fico feliz que gostou
22:12 pimpG: agora famos falar sobre o hd q vc mencionou
22:12 pimpG: hr
22:12 pimpG: hp
22:12 pimpG: lol
22:12 TheBenderGamer: kk
22:13 pimpG: vc acha que está muito alto para a diff inteira? ou só para o começo que tem poucas notas?
22:13 TheBenderGamer: o começo
22:13 pimpG: antes estava mais alto o hp, eu abaixei um pouco pq reclamaram disso mesmo
22:13 pimpG: vou abaixar uma fração a mais então
22:14 TheBenderGamer: 6.6 ainda é um valor um pouco alto
22:14 TheBenderGamer: deixa 6.4 6.2 sla
22:14 TheBenderGamer: pois acho que a maioria irá jogar de hr
22:14 pimpG: hmm
22:14 pimpG: vou comparar o atual com 6.5
22:15 pimpG: aos poucos vou ajustando o hr conforme o pessoal diz o que pensa sobre
22:15 pimpG: hp*
22:15 pimpG: ah
22:15 TheBenderGamer: mas se você quiser deixar 6.6 n tem problema
22:16 pimpG: vc me autorisa a postar esse replay e esse chat log na thread depois?
22:16 TheBenderGamer: pode
22:16 pimpG: puts esqueci de salvar
22:17 TheBenderGamer: quer q eu passo o replaY?
22:17 pimpG: vc tem ai?
22:17 pimpG: sim
22:17 TheBenderGamer: replay*
22:17 TheBenderGamer: fica salvo
22:17 TheBenderGamer: só n sei se é do jeito que vc quer
22:17 pimpG: a gente ve depois
22:18 pimpG: se eu conseguir usar aqui, provavelmente outros tb conseguem
22:18 TheBenderGamer: mandei no discord
22:18 pimpG: blz, depois eu testo
22:18 pimpG: esqueci de salvar o do bariton tb
22:18 pimpG: ele vai jogar de novo ja que ele tb não salva
22:18 TheBenderGamer: é só pedir
22:18 TheBenderGamer: ele deu fc?
22:18 pimpG: sim xD
22:18 TheBenderGamer: fica salvo no local e é só ele exporta
22:18 pimpG: fc de primeira
22:19 TheBenderGamer: ''posição local''
22:19 TheBenderGamer: ele poderia testar de hr pq ele sabe fazer
22:19 TheBenderGamer: facil
22:19 pimpG: ah deixa, ele vai jogar de novo, eu só vou lembrar de salvar
22:19 TheBenderGamer: blz
22:19 TheBenderGamer: qualquer ajuda é só pedir
22:19 TheBenderGamer: <3
he played on his own rather than telling me that he was going to testplay the map, later he sent me a pm complaining about the HP, i said that this could be discussed later and asked him to play again while i watch him play.
his performance was not very good but i asked him and he thinks the map is not mapped wrong, at some point he said that he is not good at ar8 but he didn't mean that it was not fitting, he blames his mousepad for the bad performance, and his skill level.
i asked if he noticed the slider tick hitsounds he said that it was the most noticeable thing in the mapset. i asked if the slider tick hitsounds bothered him he said that they didn't, and the map would feel empty without them.
later i told him that i forget to save his replay so he sent me his saved replay
all of the replays from the mappers i asked for testplay so far
my own lazy replay i used to play better than that, but i'm not playing often lately, so i had a lot of misses, none of them were caused by being confused by hitsounds, mostly aim misses, i mean obvious aim misses, not slider tick misses.
you can go ahead and post your own testplay, but since bariton, a 4 digit player, was able to get a FC on the 1st try, i expect nothing less than a FC with better accuracy from you as you are a 3 digit player. let's not forget about henry11hei, 6 digit player being able to beat my score playing the map the 1st time or 2nd time. he clearly struggled a lot, but he was able to keep a significant combo.
so this is the local ranking with the current saved replays
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i will be getting more testplays eventually.
as for you asking me reasons to map the way i did, it's just as i said before, i didn't wanted to mention your name when i said that "they don't understand their own position as modders" but yeah, you are basically making the same mistake as them.
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i don't need to explain why i did something in a way to prove that it's acceptable, it's the modder's "job" prove that what i'm doing is not acceptable.
to be honest this is not even relevant to the discussion, the way i mapped was accepted already, it's just that people don't want me to use slider ticks sounds and use SB'ed sounds instead.
i'm okay with trying to explain to you how i feel about the song and anything else, but as i said, this is not relevant to the discussion, just ask me ingame and i will do my best to explain. but this will just be me trying to be nice to someone interested in knowing more about the way i map, it does not contributes to the discussion at all.