Any so your rant ends on the inevitable and predictable note of accusing people who have a different opinion than you of being "assholes" and being "crazy". It really is a testament to how much of a small man you are, you can't even conclude an argument without trying to invalidate the other's argument with a slew of ad hominems. Pretty much everyone else in this thread can be mature and reasonable, why can't you?Railey2 wrote:
"It's obvious that if you use a strict arbitrary formula to create "art", it won't be good, because the virtues of creative endeavors are, among other things, that they are the product of creative effort, they are expressive and unique."
You're saying that following the pp-mapping formula leaves mappers almost no creative freedom? That's simply wrong. If that was true, farm maps would be way more similar to one another than they really are.
Talking about strict formulas.. Did you know that this set form was one of the greatest selling points of classical music? And people loved it! Only because you have some rules/a general framework, doesn't mean that creative freedom is dead.One sentence in and it's already bullshit.B1rd wrote:
Your claim that farm maps have a "fun factor" that is separate from the PP they give is completely unfounded.
Did you just choose to ignore my Red like roses and Highscore examples? N0thingSpecial made another example with Ame to Asphalt.
But it's unfounded, sure. Why do I even argue with People like you? Don't post here again, you're obviously just trying to spin this the way you want. I won't entertain you any further.
"but a lot of pop music is indisputably trash, and the people who listen to it are most likely trash as well."
holy shit my dude. You really are an asshole.
"Considering that music is to a large degree a reflection of your own soul, people who listen to superficial and shameless music are likely to exhibit the same traits in their own personality."
you know for with most other people I'd just say that this is trolling and move on, but you've really done a great job at being consistently crazy over the years. I've seen many hilariously stupid things, but this is something else.
I may have misworded my opening sentence, it's not that PP maps aren't fun at all, what I meant is that, unlike what you have been saying, there is no evidence that their popularity is not based to a very large degree on the fact that they are farm maps. you've made a lot of fault assumptions in your argument. You assume that jump maps = farm maps when that evidently isn't the case. Atama No Taisou is jump map. Red Like Roses wouldn't be a farm map if it were ranked, it is very different to farm maps. When was the last time you have seen patterns like this in farm maps? Back when Airman and Senketsu no Chikai were farm maps? I adore structured jump sequences, but that's not what we get in today's maps, because jumps like those actually take real skill to complete, unlike the generic fullscreen jumps you see today. The only reason Ame to Asphalt is a farm map is because - due to the music allowing it - all of the jumps are at the end and you can still get a lot of PP if you miss. And I don't know why you ignored it but I already addressed Highscore - it isn't even that good of a farm map. Your argument is fallacious because your examples of maps that are supposedly PP maps while also being good quality aren't even archetypical farm maps. Real farm maps are maps like Hitorigoto, which hardly anyone plays if they aren't trying to farm PP. Sometimes good maps and farm maps coincide, but it's more of a coincidence that anything
Your other error is making arguments about what people intrinsically find fun without accounting for the variable of players' preferences that have been shaped by their past experiences of playing in a system shaped by the PPv2 meta.