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xxdeathx

Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 2017-04-13T09:48:07+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
chromoxx modding not taiko :thinking:
xxdeathx
00:05:455 (1,2) - Can you make this more readable as a 1/4 What do you mean more readable? It's plenty readable to me
00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - This would play a lot better if they were closer together it's 1/3, so it allows for larger spacing. didn't feel like it was hard to play at all
01:07:273 (3,4) - spacing is too small compared to the previous part, often overshoot 4, could decrease distance of 01:06:546 (1,2) - while it’s less jumpy/stressful to indicate spacing change i don't understand what's wrong with the spacing
i say and yet the next section is also giant spacing .-.
00:46:546 (2,3,4,5) - jump 2,3 is 100% straight, 5 is horizontal slider, but jump 4,5 is 5 degrees. Can you just touch up aesthetic here, maybe just change 5 to not be horizontal
01:16:001 (4,1) - 100% slider overlap isn’t that readable imo, because the slider body of 4 is still disappearing, i don’t recognise that there’s a slider body on 1
01:23:273 (5,7) - same thing but circles are more acceptable this shouldn't be a reading problem

Linada wrote:
[Xxdeathx's Insane]
01:16:728 (1) - i don't know if it's intentionnal that it's not fully overlapped with 01:16:001 (4) - because it's really noticeable yeah it was impossible to overlap perfectly. i ended up moving the slider due to the suggestion of an earlier mod so we don't have to worry about that

DavidEd wrote:
xxdeath's insane
00:23:455 (5,8,9) - Select these and move down to x64 y292. Then 00:23:092 (3) - to x120 y204 for clean aestetics
00:25:637 (3) - Unnecessary stack that stops movement. x180 y80? it's a repeat slider so the movement isn't that much. i couldn't find anywhere else to put the circle that would be aesthetically pleasing
00:30:182 (1) - Convert to slider as the trumpet fades out tried it but don't like how it plays as a slider
01:05:092 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Fix star i'm surprised people notice these things like when i yolo a star
01:11:455 (4,5) - Convert to slider for proper rhythm the rhythm is meant to follow the claps in this section. i was lazy and had doormat copy hitsounds, but i meant to have a clap on every white tick in this section
01:10:910 (1,2) - ^ ^

Kaifin wrote:
Xx_[Death]_xX

00:21:092 (5,6,1) - why is this one a stack when all the other ones aren't? the flow from the stacked 5 6 to 1 is really really bad for no reason with this change in the music, if you want to keep the stack why not have a better angle going into 1 so it's less awkward? i changed the pattern because the stack is inconsistent with the other corresponding parts, but i disagree that it's bad flow. if the stack was not there and 1 comes right after 5, then it would be kind of poor flow because of the obtuse angle. the stack makes the player stop there for half a beat, so the next object can be in any direction.
00:30:364 - i get that you're stopping 1/1 here for emphasis, but you spam 1/2 the entire segment beforehand so it's less emphasizing and more just a bit uncomfortable and odd a bit weird, but a player that has trouble reading this has much more to worry about. i tried putting a slider there and found no way to make it fit well. maybe will try to reposition stuff later.
00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern is a fucking eldritch horror, not the rhythm or anything the rhythm itself is fine it's just arranged in such an awkward weird way that this will be 100% unreadable to the player upon first play, put them closer and change the angle to make this less .... whatever it is right now? maybe try on something like this that would be better structure wise while still being difficult to play and emphasizing the sound not sure what's wrong with this pattern. the 1/3 parts, 120 degrees rotated from each other, clearly make a circle that blankets the slider that comes afterwards. you'll have to explain why this pattern hard to read. the only unsightly thing i can see about it is the 00:41:213 (2,1) - overlap, but the pattern plays fine - linearly between the 1/3 things, then turns around for the 1/2 slider.
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00:56:001 (6,1,2) - fix line
01:02:001 (1,3,4) - above
01:16:001 (4,5,1) - this is only going to piss off the player like the previously mentioned pattern, there's nothing really wrong with it and i'm all for edgy shit in maps but in the kind of map this is and with nothing like it beforehand, this is just kind of uncalled for despite the sound, i hear what you might be trying to emphasize but it really isn't working for me
01:22:182 (4,1,2) - fix line or make it not a line so that it doesnt seem so off to look at didn't intend to make a line with that, mainly the other stuff
01:26:546 (4,5,1) - the angle of the notes is off compared to the angle of the slider, i'd adjust the slider here because the notes are stacked on that one place decided to stack the circles

UndeadCapulet wrote:
XxXxXdeathxXX's Insane

00:28:728 (1,2) - this jump seems rly big since it's the same spacing as the much stronger 00:29:637 (4,5) - beats. i would disagree that they're stronger, maybe because we are focused on emphasizing different things
00:57:637 (1,2) - and all similar points, I think swap NC fits better, it keeps the vocals lines connected properly congratz on being the first one to convince me to not put nc on a 1/2 slider that ends on white tick
01:08:910 (4,5,1) - wait why did you switch from the 00:57:455 (4,1) - rhythm, that one works way better ;-; i had doormat copy my hitsounds, so it wasn't clear earlier. i meant for this section to follow the claps on every white tick, but his hitsounds didn't have that and i didn't add it in yet. i've added them now.
01:09:637 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this massive jump pattern is pretty much complete filler and takes any emphasis away from the strong 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - vocal beats because everything's the same difference, I really think you should do something else here ^ same

Hiicantpk wrote:
xxdeathx's not edgy at all
00:01:092 (1) - I know its the first thing of the song but having this mapped as a relatively slow slider and then every other instance of this sound mapped as a large jump is kinda wierd. I'd be fine with it being a jump as well (assuming you can make it work with the slider after it) i have this personal thing where i zettai-bsolutely NEVER begin a map with a circle. i'd love to discuss the reasoning all day, but in a nutshell it's because hidden is bullshit and even nomod has more trouble hitting the first note than if they were already in the rhythm. it has to begin with a slider even if it's two strong sounds like this or rally go round. the slider is already faster than the others around it. it's a bit inconsistent but it's better than the first object being a circle.

00:26:546 (3,4) - Im personally not a fan of sliders that flow like this. Maybe its because I didn't find them comfortable but meh. Don't need to change this, just an observation. yeah i more often use those same sliders, but in the opposite positions and it's fine, but this seems okay too

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - S U D D E N L Y 1/3. Although I have done the same thing with unexpected transitions to 1/3 from 1/4 so i can't speak. You could possibly do what Doormat did in the top diff with two repeat sliders but that wouldn't have the flow like you do here. Hmm... i'm not sure what you expect. the song has 1/3 so of course it's going to be 1/3 in the beatmap. let's examine the possibilities that arise. suppose the player is playing this for the first time and doesn't know what the rhythm is going to be here: the objects appear, two pairs of circle followed by short slider which is 6 notes, equal time apart from each other, over the course of 2 beats; subconsciously they will gather this information as they see it and be able to deduce that 6 notes over 2 beats is 1/3 beat each. another way i can put it is that the appearance of a single circle followed by single short slider in a mainly 1/4 map is commonly seen in maps to signify the presence of 1/3 rhythm using the subconscious thought process above, and they will be able to identify it here. now if the player is naive and just sees these as 1/4 gaps despite it being a common 1/3 pattern, and they click it a bit too fast as 1/4, the first object is on time and the second object is clicked a bit early; assuming the second object is a circle, this is unlikely to score a 100 because the difference between 1/3 and 1/4 is quite small, and even if it was early enough to be a 100 it absolutely won't count as one because the second object is a slider; afterwards, the hitsound will be off and the player will realize they were too fast and it's actually 1/3 and will be able to correct themself for the second circle-slider that comes along.

01:16:001 (4,1) - :thinking: you try making it overlap completely, i found it to be impossible. i ended up moving the slider instead.

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - Is this triplet spaced like this on purpose? Kinda ugly imo. tried to pull a skystar. stacked the circles instead

Also same thing as the top diff with the spinner. this is the only alternative that works well and it is something i will consider:

(no reply means fixed)

Thank you everyone for your mods; they are greatly appreciated!

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Doormat

2,050 posts

Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-13T09:57:16+00:00

updated XxXxxdeathXxXX's diff

Nakano Itsuki

1,218 posts

Joined July 2014

Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-13T10:19:21+00:00

DavidEd

00:47:092 (5,6) - no, pattern consistency
01:00:001 (3,4,5,6,1) - lazy
01:01:819 (5,1) - no
01:13:455 (5,1) - ^

Kaifin

d
anyway im keeping it as it is for now cuz i dont rly think they are spaced too wide apart to be read as a 1/2 spacing

changed others thx

a

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Doormat 2017-04-13T10:21:33+00:00

updated starr-sensei's diff

edit: forgot to mention that i added a new hitsound file for xdeathxx. redl if necessary

ErunamoJAZZ

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Joined August 2012

ErunamoJAZZ 2017-04-13T15:29:25+00:00

Little wrote:
Why go through the trouble of ranking multiple sets of the same song when they can be ranked as a single set?

Then you said that its better put together all maps of same song in only one set?, idk, this will be really weird and lazy.
I'm sorry, but this does not look correct.

Doormat wrote:
i appreciate the concern, but when i was planning on mapping this set about a week ago, i asked little if he could do a gd and he asked if he could do a spread. there's honestly no harm in it, so i don't see why not.
Sincerely I can't understand how you accepted this xD, anyway, Its better if ask to QAT about this.
For me, it is not fine.

finding the time to gather people willing to mod the map, as well as the inevitable search for nominators to push the map forward also complicate things as some people might not always have the time, e.g. in little's case, so there's nothing wrong with grouping two sets into one. you can argue that it puts more work onto the modders and nominators, but wouldn't the workload be the same if the set was split in two and we each asked the same people?
Then can you accept all other sets in your own, just due the low time that have many mapper to run with his sets?
Idk man, rank require time as you know, but try to rank two sets in one feels not right for me.

regarding the spread, i think this is fine, actually. the note density and progression between the difficulties is reasonable, and there's nothing wrong with the mapset being skewed towards one end of the spectrum.

Oh well... I hope this will have an appropriate discussion.

Good luck o/

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-04-13T17:34:17+00:00

Kaifin wrote:
Kencho's Insane
YES its so clean omg my favourite diff in the set by far
00:54:001 (1,1) - i think this could be a bit closer, seems a bit meme to have it so far it could be pretty easily read as 1/2 but i can understand keeping it this way too I think it is fine lol. However I just increased spacing.

this diff is really good

UndeadCapulet wrote:
Kencho's Insane
uh this looks like you mapped with cs4 but then made the circles bigger afterwards LOL, actually it doesn't affect my styles because I always focus on DS and regular shape so any CS is fine
it's like super cramped
but i guess no issues orz

Thanks for mod
changed to CS3.5 and HP5.5

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-13T17:38:34+00:00

ErunamoJAZZ wrote:
Doormat wrote:
i appreciate the concern, but when i was planning on mapping this set about a week ago, i asked little if he could do a gd and he asked if he could do a spread. there's honestly no harm in it, so i don't see why not.
Sincerely I can't understand how you accepted this xD, anyway, Its better if ask to QAT about this.
For me, it is not fine. as far as i'm concerned, we're not breaking any rules. why exactly is this "not fine"?

finding the time to gather people willing to mod the map, as well as the inevitable search for nominators to push the map forward also complicate things as some people might not always have the time, e.g. in little's case, so there's nothing wrong with grouping two sets into one. you can argue that it puts more work onto the modders and nominators, but wouldn't the workload be the same if the set was split in two and we each asked the same people?
Then can you accept all other sets in your own, just due the low time that have many mapper to run with his sets?
Idk man, rank require time as you know, but try to rank two sets in one feels not right for me. that's not practical due to how big the set will get; it's already pretty big as it is now which is why i posted that i wasn't looking for any more gds when i uploaded the set. we didn't want to compete with each other, since we were willing to cooperate and he accepted my request to do a gd, the least i could do was hear him out and accept his own request to do four difficulties

regarding the spread, i think this is fine, actually. the note density and progression between the difficulties is reasonable, and there's nothing wrong with the mapset being skewed towards one end of the spectrum.
Oh well... I hope this will have an appropriate discussion.

Good luck o/

like i said, i do appreciate the concern, but we're not breaking any rules here; you believing that the set should be split in two is your own opinion. we wanted to work together so there's no problem in me accepting four of his difficulties if he wanted to make four difficulties.

also updated kencho's insane

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Kencho

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Kencho 2017-04-13T17:39:42+00:00

aaaa please update again I fixed a little stack problems

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-13T17:40:54+00:00

Kencho wrote:
aaaa please update again I fixed a little stack problems

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-13T18:21:36+00:00

Absolutely 0 effort went into this mod. legit tho i put 0 effort in this but it sudnt matter copnsidering the map had 0 effort in it as well just give me the kd thx

general

sagiri is disgusting

soliloquy

kiai reminds me of my monster gd
00:58:910 (7,8,1,2) - notice angles here its lik deformed square
y does it get easier at the end

richard

00:30:182 (1,2) - reads like 1/2
01:05:637 (4,1,2) - notice super weird Angle its almost like thos biq jumps in ur overdriver map except once and less cancr
01:26:182 (3,4,5,1) - put stack in middle itd b cool Lol X P

star

the best diff has the shittiest diff name Ok

kencho

00:05:455 (1,2) - 00:11:273 (1,2) - lol these r funny cuz it reminds me of an erectile dysfunction
is this a lust map or wot wtf
01:06:364 (4,1) - same here lol my penis LIMP fam

little

looks like a map id make in 2014

insane

01:17:455 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - wot r ur thots on ctrl g of 01:17:819 (6,7) -

i listened to this song more times than i did in curis set and all i did was look at the insanes in this set while modding the whole set for curi which means that curis set is better

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-04-13T23:23:37+00:00

just wanna say in top diff that 00:06:182 (1,2,3) - and 00:12:001 (1,2,3) - looked a lot like 1/2 to me and could do with a bit more clarity as to their snapping. cool mapset!

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-13T23:24:59+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
just wanna say in top diff that 00:06:182 (1,2,3) - and 00:12:001 (1,2,3) - looked a lot like 1/2 to me and could do with a bit more clarity as to their snapping. cool mapset!

actually, those are 1/2 sliders snapped to 1/6. i'm still debating whether or not to shorten it to 1/3, but haven't decided anything yet

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-04-13T23:28:05+00:00

Doormat wrote:
Ascendance wrote:
just wanna say in top diff that 00:06:182 (1,2,3) - and 00:12:001 (1,2,3) - looked a lot like 1/2 to me and could do with a bit more clarity as to their snapping. cool mapset!
actually, those are 1/2 sliders snapped to 1/6. i'm still debating whether or not to shorten it to 1/3, but haven't decided anything yet

what i meant is that the snapping is different on them but they look similar to previous snaps
it looks confusing to me T_T
also 00:11:273 (1,2) - fix this its triggering me

edit: 00:54:364 (1) - could have something a lot more dynamic, there's a lot going on in that slider that you're skipping

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-14T00:07:23+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
what i meant is that the snapping is different on them but they look similar to previous snaps
it looks confusing to me T_T
also 00:11:273 (1,2) - fix this its triggering me

edit: 00:54:364 (1) - could have something a lot more dynamic, there's a lot going on in that slider that you're skipping

ah, ok my bad i just misinterpreted what you meant. i moved the patterns around so that the snap distance for the 00:06:182 (1,2,3) - and 00:12:000 (1,2,3) - is now more distinct. thanks! i also fixed the blanket lol

regarding 00:54:364 (1) - i was debating between a buzz slider or a long slider since this is a piano roll and isn't really snapped to anything, but i like how the movement pattern of the current design so i'll leave it as it is for now

VINXIS wrote:
soliloquy
kiai reminds me of my monster gd
00:58:910 (7,8,1,2) - notice angles here its lik deformed square doesn't affect gameplay and it plays fine, but i tried making it look less deformed and more like a trapezoid ok
y does it get easier at the end vocal emphasis isn't as strong starting at 01:15:273 (1) - so the map is slightly easier after this point to reflect that
insane
01:17:455 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - wot r ur thots on ctrl g of 01:17:819 (6,7) - if i ctrl + g those then the movement for 01:18:001 (7,1) - would be too extreme compared to the rest of the map, and would play like ass so no
i listened to this song more times than i did in curis set and all i did was look at the insanes in this set while modding the whole set for curi which means that curis set is better there r mor insanes than all of curi's set tho :thinking:

Little

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Little 2017-04-14T00:45:05+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
Absolutely 0 effort went into this mod. legit tho i put 0 effort in this but it sudnt matter copnsidering the map had 0 effort in it as well just give me the kd thx Stop stealing my memes.

general
sagiri is disgusting Sagiri is my angel.
little
looks like a map id make in 2014 Looks like a map I made in 2017. But where is the 4/7/9/7?
i listened to this song more times than i did in curis set and all i did was look at the insanes in this set while modding the whole set for curi which means that curis set is better I read this mod more times than I did with Kaifin's mod and all I did was reply to memes which means that Kaifin's mod is better.

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-14T00:53:06+00:00

Little wrote:
I read this mod more times than I did with Kaifin's mod and all I did was reply to memes which means that Kaifin's mod is better. there is more effort put into Kaifin's mod tho :thinking:

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-14T00:53:43+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
Little wrote:
I read this mod more times than I did with Kaifin's mod and all I did was reply to memes which means that Kaifin's mod is better. theres more effort put into his mod tho :thinking:

don't steal my response colours thanks

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-14T00:55:21+00:00

thanks is my Name

Nakano Itsuki

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Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-14T03:49:45+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
Absolutely 0 effort went into this mod. legit tho i put 0 effort in this but it sudnt matter copnsidering the map had 0 effort in it as well just give me the kd thxAbsolutely 0 effort went into this reply.

star
the best diff has the shittiest diff name Ok I agree with this but no.
i listened to this song more times than i did in curis set and all i did was look at the insanes in this set while modding the whole set for curi which means that curis set is better i read this sentence more times than i did compared to your mod above and all I did was give a proper reply to this short mod which means that your opinions are irrelevant.

Depths

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Depths 2017-04-15T03:28:06+00:00

Doormat w

scanter

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scanter 2017-04-15T07:19:05+00:00

nice meme w

Karen

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Karen 2017-04-15T08:31:34+00:00

m4m

Soliloquy
fix aimod
your hitsounding is so simple and soft, at least add something on 00:53:092 (4,5) - this, instead of spamming whistles and clas regularly you can add more hitsounds in specific parts of a song like 01:05:819 (1,2,3,4) - this
00:08:546 (2,1) - this is too far, the jump should be much smaller than 00:08:364 (1,2) - this, and also for consistency
01:17:546 (4) - feels unfit

Xxdeathx's Insane
01:27:001 - why don't you start the spinner here

StarR-sensei's Insane
00:13:455 (3,4,5,1) - 不觉得这很卡手吗，逆flow有点大
00:34:728 (2,3) - 不好看，http://puu.sh/vkPZq/74a4f63900.jpg

Kencho's Insane
00:24:001 (6,7,1) - 这好蛋疼，00:24:182 (7,1) - 这间距应该比前面更大
00:41:092 (4) - 1/3 NC

Little's Hard
00:53:364 - no circle here? kinda weird
00:56:546 (2) - 00:59:455 (2) - i think slider+circle fits better, you wanted to follow the vocals and there's still vocals on the white lines
01:02:546 (2) - this slider covers so many vocals, how about this http://puu.sh/vkReM/87b281677b.jpg

Normal
01:05:092 (5,6) - slider is better here imo

Little's Normal
00:06:182 (2) - 1/3 please?
00:12:001 (2) - ^

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T09:00:09+00:00

Karen wrote:
m4m

Soliloquy
fix aimod fix
your hitsounding is so simple and soft, at least add something on 00:53:092 (4,5) - this added whistles here, instead of spamming whistles and clas regularly you can add more hitsounds in specific parts of a song like 01:05:819 (1,2,3,4) - this i try normal-hitfinish
00:08:546 (2,1) - this is too far, the jump should be much smaller than 00:08:364 (1,2) - this, and also for consistency nerfed
01:17:546 (4) - feels unfit if you delete this note there's a very audible drum sound here, so i want to keep

Normal
01:05:092 (5,6) - slider is better here imo ok

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

thanks karen :3

also copied hitsounds for kencho and starr. xxdeathx and little wanted to have different hitsounding for their diffs

Little

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Little 2017-04-15T09:11:01+00:00

Karen wrote:
Little's Hard
00:53:364 - no circle here? kinda weird I prefer current rhythm because it emphasizes those accented notes more strongly.
00:56:546 (2) - 00:59:455 (2) - i think slider+circle fits better, you wanted to follow the vocals and there's still vocals on the white lines ok,
changed.
01:02:546 (2) - this slider covers so many vocals, how about this http://puu.sh/vkReM/87b281677b.jpg Changed to slightly different rhythm.

Little's Normal
00:06:182 (2) - 1/3 please? 1/2 was following vocal, but yeah, 1/3 makes sense here. Changed.
00:12:001 (2) - ^ Changed.

Thanks.

Also added hitsounds for those bell sounds in the middle of kiai.

http://puu.sh/vkTom/ebc82a447c.zip

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T09:20:52+00:00

updated little's diffs

xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 2017-04-15T10:37:10+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
00:30:182 (1,2) - reads like 1/2 since everyone pointed this out i'll just change it ...
01:05:637 (4,1,2) - notice super weird Angle its almost like thos biq jumps in ur overdriver map except once and less cancr tried changing things around, but didn't like any alternatives any better than this
01:26:182 (3,4,5,1) - put stack in middle itd b cool Lol X P but i'm stacking it with the sliderhead

Karen wrote:
Xxdeathx's Insane
01:27:001 - why don't you start the spinner here BLUE TICK SPINNER START TRIGGERED

i prefer 1/2 beat before spinner always tbh

thank you both for your help!

new page is mine~

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Sotarks

Mapping Architect

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Sotarks 2017-04-15T12:03:33+00:00

[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh.

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this.

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ?

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn

[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ?

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe?

[StaR-chan]
01:11:273 (3,4) - ctrl+g this rythmn imo to focus more on vocals ?

01:17:455 (3,4,5,6) - flow is weird here

[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ?
god this diff is fucking amazing

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ?

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map.

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals..

this song is fcking awesome
gl on this set

Last edited by Sotarks 2017-04-15T14:07:22+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T12:57:21+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
m4m

[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section movement is the same regardless in both scenario's; i prefer the current pattern because giving it the small jump serves as a nice indicator for an intensity shift, and it looks cleaner imo

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh. no; i prefer the triple to give finish emphasis. i don't think kick sliders are a good fit for this part of the kiai

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this. it's clickable because of the ding sound. the whole chorus is based around emphasis on the ding sounds by making them clickable

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean i believe the vocals are stronger on the red ticks imo. i think the current rhythm set up is a better indicator that the song's intensity is changing as well

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ? making this into two circles breaks the movement that i want here

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn there's a trumpet sound on the red tick that i think goes better when it's clickable

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals.. skip for longer held vocals

no changes on my part, thanks for looking. updated xxdeathx's diff

answering for xxdeathx and little as well since i'm pretty sure they're both in bed and they don't mind me answering for them

Sotarks wrote:
[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh he's stated before that putting the circle anywhere else makes it less aesthetically pleasing to him so i'm sure he wants this stacked

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1 he's actually stacked this from the update above your mod

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ? he's actually using the same rhythms, just a different pattern. this is fine since it's still mapped to the music. he went into why he used this pattern in previous discussion

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo i think reverse is fine for what he's going for here; it looks like he wants there to be a slider to prevent circle spam and based on the position of the next few patterns it looks like placing a slider+circle would break that movement

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe? he had something like that before; he changed it to a stack for better aesthetics and since movement would be the same regardless

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ? he's skipped all these for trumpet emphasis

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map. from the looks of it, the ncs are to accentuate the trumpets since the (1)s line up with every trumpet note. flow is subjective, and it looks really straightforward (it's just zigzags) so i don't think that's a problem either

Sotarks

Mapping Architect

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Sotarks 2017-04-15T14:05:30+00:00

didn't see the bn mod my bad feel free to skip my mod lel

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T14:38:02+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
didn't see the bn mod my bad feel free to skip my mod lel

na no worries about it

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-04-15T14:48:07+00:00

01:06:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - things like that would become so much more relevant to the song if you actually made it clear what your jumps/circles are following instead of just doing the "it's all 1/2 beats and it's anime so I'll just spam jumps"
http://i.imgur.com/MzvQK6u.jpg

also jump sequences in the verse like 00:27:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:33:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feel pretty out of place, mainly spacing wise as the verse is less intense than the chorus here, yet you still map them extremely similar to each other
lower spacing, different patterning/angles, etc. could all work to make different parts of the song actually feel different

(referring to top diff obviously)

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T14:56:40+00:00

Lasse wrote:
01:06:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - things like that would become so much more relevant to the song if you actually made it clear what your jumps/circles are following instead of just doing the "it's all 1/2 beats and it's anime so I'll just spam jumps"
http://i.imgur.com/MzvQK6u.jpg

i mapped the second half of the chorus that way to reflect the increase in the vocal intensity:
the vocals at 01:08:001 (1,2) - has an inflection to it where the singers go "a-i". it's a bit subtle but i think it's distinct enough so i think that it's justifiable in putting two circles there01:08:001 (1,5) - there are these ding sounds in the background the music here that i also wanted to emphasize due to the uncommon nature of it. i emphasize these and the cymbals throughout the chorus for the top diff; the spam is just more prevalent in the second half due to how much more vocals are prevalent

also jump patterns like 00:27:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:33:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feel pretty out of place, mainly spacing wise as the verse is less intense than the chorus here, yet you still map them extremely similar to each other
lower spacing, different patterning/angles, etc. could all work to make different parts of the song actually feel different i do agree here though, i can nerf the spacing here. hopefully it's more acceptable now

(referring to top diff obviously)

hopefully my answer is satisfactory enough

Little

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Joined November 2012

Little 2017-04-15T15:25:59+00:00

Doormat wrote:
Sotarks wrote:
[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ? he's skipped all these for trumpet emphasis

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map. from the looks of it, the ncs are to accentuate the trumpets since the (1)s line up with every trumpet note. flow is subjective, and it looks really straightforward (it's just zigzags) so i don't think that's a problem either

Endorsing this response.
Not sure if it's different for tablet players, but I find that pattern very comfortable to play with mouse. It feels like this (curves exaggerated). The pattern is meant to be interpreted as pairs of circles. Removing the new combos makes the pattern ambiguous, and may impact how the player sees and plays the pattern.
edit: lol the screenshot is readable if you open the map and know the order of the notes...

Last edited by Little 2017-04-15T16:24:31+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Lasse

osu! Alumni

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Lasse 2017-04-15T16:01:06+00:00

little that screenshot is not really readable lol

talked a bit more about things ingame, mainly that I think that the lack of differentiation between layers is making the chorus extremely bland
tl;dr http://i.imgur.com/6c6uEX8.jpg

Kencho

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Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-04-15T16:07:55+00:00

Karen wrote:
Kencho's Insane
00:24:001 (6,7,1) - 这好蛋疼，00:24:182 (7,1) - 这间距应该比前面更大小修了一下
00:41:092 (4) - 1/3 NC ok

Sotarks wrote:
[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo hmm, actually I hear sounds on 01:17:546 - so 1/4

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ? No, I think use slider is better for me
god this diff is fucking amazing

Thanks for mod

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T16:12:36+00:00

updated starr's and kencho's diffs (starr sent me update code via discord; he'll be posting his reply soon)

~~will update one last time for new audio/video soon tm~~

Last edited by Doormat 2017-04-15T16:55:40+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T16:49:10+00:00

making a new post since it seems relevant to.

updated with audio and video; redownload is necessary.

edit: i forgot to silence a small bit at the beginning. redownload if you had the set before April 15 16:53 UTC

edit: if anyone wants to use the new audio/video from my set, feel free to, but at the very least let me know about it first please?

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Nakano Itsuki

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Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-15T17:06:39+00:00

人哥：anti flow先保留我覺得沒甚麼問題
第二個改了

Sotarks: i dont see that much difference after changing them so no change for now, sorry!

Thx

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-15T18:21:36+00:00

updated tags, fixed video offset to ~~-250~~, and checked for anything that may have been incorrectly snapped. everything should be good to go now

edit: changed video offset to -430 after getting some more opinions. should be more in sync now

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xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 2017-04-15T20:08:52+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh.

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this.

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ?

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn

[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ?

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe?

[StaR-chan]
01:11:273 (3,4) - ctrl+g this rythmn imo to focus more on vocals ?

01:17:455 (3,4,5,6) - flow is weird here

[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ?
god this diff is fucking amazing

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ?

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map.

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals..

this song is fcking awesome
gl on this set

thanks Sotarks! doormat took the words out of my mouth but i'll consider changing the last one

Karen

2,874 posts

Joined August 2013

Karen 2017-04-16T04:55:42+00:00

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scanter

2,394 posts

Joined July 2012

scanter 2017-04-16T08:53:21+00:00

go go

Pentori

1,158 posts

Joined November 2015

Pentori 2017-04-16T14:33:26+00:00

[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; /
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise

[Kencho's Insane]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm

[StarR-sensei's Insane]
00:10:172 (3,1) - this is too much 1/4 spacing
00:43:626 (5,6) - 00:46:536 (5,6) - seems like ur trying to emphasise the trumpets here with the stacks but by putting the biggest jump on the snare u lose the emphasis on 00:43:990 (7)

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8)

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions?

Nakano Itsuki

1,218 posts

Joined July 2014

Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-16T16:45:35+00:00

fixed the first, dont rly understand how i should fix the second one but i adjusted the spacing a bit for that, thanks

doormat just fix anything else minor if theres any

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Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-04-16T19:56:47+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm
Fixed

Edit: Changed some NCs
Edit2: Wrong hitsounds
Edit3: ^

CS3.6 again

osu file format v14

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Title:Hitorigoto -TV MIX-
TitleUnicode:ヒトリゴト -TV MIX-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Doormat
Version:Kencho's Insane
Source:エロマンガ先生
Tags:xxdeathx Little CloudSplash16 StarrStyx Kencho eromanga sensei ero manga eromanga-sensei eromangasensei opening tv size
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Last edited by Kencho 2017-04-16T20:55:45+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-16T20:25:10+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 sure

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums sure
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares not bad
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here good catch
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles agree
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet gonna go with two whistles
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i'll try changing this into drum hitnormals for differentiation

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar increased AR to 3.5, it should be a bit more readable for beginners now

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c i ctrl + g'd 00:56:172 (5,6) - to better follow the vocals in both cases. the red tick right before the downbeat is left out to avoid these sections from becoming to dense with 1/2, though,
so i think it's okay to ignore this vocal

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows done

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; / made it cleaner
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline yeah agree, spacing this out more feels more comfortable

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8) this has been addressed before by others, so i decided to just change it

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions? nerfed by a bit and made the (5,6,7) jumps slightly bigger to reflect the difference in emphasis

updated starr's and kencho's diffs. also copied hitsounds for ~~them~~starr and updated combo colours on all diffs. little and xxdeathx wanted different hitsounding so i'll leave it up to them to decide if they want to apply the hitsound mod you provided. thanks pentori~

edit: kencho provided his own hitsounding just now, updated

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-04-16T21:27:34+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums Added whistle at 00:23:717 (7) in my Insane.
As for other hitsound things, I mostly had whistles in those parts already. My justification for using whistles rather than claps is that claps feel too strong, and I want to maintain contrast between those 1/4 beats and the strong second and fourth beats of the measure. I think whistles provide sufficient feedback in those cases.

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle I think there is enough contrast in intensity in my current usage. My rhythms in the previous section place emphasis on the second beat clap for each phrase, while the rhythms in this "slow" section are all beats 1 and 3. The difference in excitement between emphasizing clap vs. strong main beats makes this section feel less intense in the map. I really want to save the 2/1 slider + circle for the transition at 00:39:808 (3,4)

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick Yeah, snapped to white tick.
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer Fixed.

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing Did a similar thing.

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more These are fine imo. I don't think it looks awful.
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections Distance spacing doesn't scale with intensity; it's used here for emphasis on (3). It was slightly too large here, especially between (3,4), so I reduced it a bit.
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise It just feels right to me. The vocal rhythm is different here, so I wanted to sit on the sustained notes longer.

Thanks.
http://puu.sh/vmpDh/a42941ecd3.zip

Doormat

2,050 posts

Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-16T23:03:26+00:00

updated little's diffs, waiting on xxdeathx now

xxdeathx

2,661 posts

Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 2017-04-17T01:12:00+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 think doormat changed it

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums don't have anything there in my diff
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares agreed
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^ ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here ^
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles ^
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet had clap but no whistle
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i think it is

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else i hate starting maps with circles because it fks over hidden players and it's even a bit harder for nomod players to get a 300 before they get in the rhythm. i put a slider in front and changed 00:00:536 (1) - to circles so it's consistent now
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable decided to put a jump for each of those things: 00:23:263 (7) - trumpet, 00:23:445 (8) - clap, 00:23:626 (9) - trumpet (though less stressed but still not okay as sliderend or anything), 00:23:808 (1) - finish. i feel like the intensity of this part is a good lead in to the calmer section afterwards.
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider no, in this section until 01:11:808 (1) - i am following the claps on every white tick. because of that i increased slider velocity, and put only sliders that started on white ticks or pairs of circles.

Thanks pentori!

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T01:17:57+00:00

all diffs updated now

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 2017-04-17T02:48:49+00:00

no one take me serious about weird spread T___T

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T02:55:57+00:00

its ok cuz sr doesnt matter when ur talking about spread anyway Lol

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-04-17T02:58:48+00:00

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

Little

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Little 2017-04-17T03:01:51+00:00

Well, there aren't any significant gaps even if we remove my Normal, but does removing my Normal improve the spread at all? I don't think so.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T03:01:54+00:00

MrSergio wrote:

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

the difficulties do follow a consecutive order, and the ranking criteria is ambiguous on difficulties that are of the same star rating. i don't think the rules are being broken in this case.

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T03:04:15+00:00

yea i dont c how this set is rule breaking the rule just states that the diff names should b aligned with the sr which they r

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 2017-04-17T03:06:33+00:00

but what sense have 2 normals and 2 hards that feels like same...
It is boring

A better solution will be a Little's Advanced or something like this

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T03:07:56+00:00

nonsense ≠ boring

thts not rly a solution tho cuz theres no problem in the first place

doule spreads may b useless/lame to ppl but they rnt problematic

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T03:13:03+00:00

explained this in game, but posting here for context as well.

the [Normal] and [Little's Normal] difficulties fundamentally have different rhythm and pattern designs. there are some places where they overlap, but the majority of the map is distinct from each other.

this is more apparent in the [Hard] and [Little's Hard] difficulties, since [Hard] introduces 1/4 beat distance spacing whereas [Little's Hard] doesn't.

overall, the difficulties are different enough from each other, and so the spread is acceptable.

_handholding

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_handholding 2017-04-17T04:49:51+00:00

pentori denied my kds, why?

If you didn't know the context it was me point out 1/3 snaps and not have them be so strict with DS as to improve readability (overlapping objects that aren't 1/2 gaps are hard to read)

Pentori

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Pentori 2017-04-17T06:08:20+00:00

spread exists so players of any level can enjoy a song, having the additional difficulties doesn't harm the mapset at all lol.

and kisses your post doesn't even look like a mod, u couldve had the context in the post itself and i wouldnt of denied

oh and qualified!

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T06:14:10+00:00

cheers, thanks karen and pentori

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xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 2017-04-17T06:18:02+00:00

Underforest

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Underforest 2017-04-17T07:50:21+00:00

congrats!

Gaia

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Gaia 2017-04-17T07:52:11+00:00

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Linada

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Linada 2017-04-17T07:59:13+00:00

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Kalibe

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Kalibe 2017-04-17T09:24:24+00:00

wew grats

scanter

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scanter 2017-04-17T10:43:54+00:00

nice

SnowNiNo_

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SnowNiNo_ 2017-04-17T12:02:35+00:00

u didnt poke me for free mod
sa d :<

Sieg

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Sieg 2017-04-17T12:35:42+00:00

brilliant

Anxient

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Anxient 2017-04-17T12:49:02+00:00

something something something IRU YO!
something something something IRU YO!

yep i know the lyrics of this song yup yup

Metaku

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Metaku 2017-04-17T13:41:32+00:00

Gratz Little for Qualify

DreaM117er

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DreaM117er 2017-04-17T15:50:16+00:00

Graz

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-04-17T20:50:50+00:00

Honestly, it's kinda ironic that the song "hitorigoto" has a double spread and a tonne of diffs haha. Doesn't hitorigoto mean something like "talking to oneself / being alonef" or something? xD.

Grats, good jumps

Underforest

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Underforest 2017-04-17T20:56:30+00:00