ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX-‬ · forum‬

scanter

2,390 posts

Joined July 2012

scanter 8 years ago

go go

Pentori

1,157 posts

Joined November 2015

Pentori 8 years ago

[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; /
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise

[Kencho's Insane]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm

[StarR-sensei's Insane]
00:10:172 (3,1) - this is too much 1/4 spacing
00:43:626 (5,6) - 00:46:536 (5,6) - seems like ur trying to emphasise the trumpets here with the stacks but by putting the biggest jump on the snare u lose the emphasis on 00:43:990 (7)

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8)

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions?

Nakano Itsuki

1,218 posts

Joined July 2014

Nakano Itsuki 8 years ago

fixed the first, dont rly understand how i should fix the second one but i adjusted the spacing a bit for that, thanks

doormat just fix anything else minor if theres any

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Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 8 years ago

Pentori wrote:
[General]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm
Fixed

Edit: Changed some NCs
Edit2: Wrong hitsounds
Edit3: ^

CS3.6 again

osu file format v14

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Title:Hitorigoto -TV MIX-
TitleUnicode:ヒトリゴト -TV MIX-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Doormat
Version:Kencho's Insane
Source:エロマンガ先生
Tags:xxdeathx Little CloudSplash16 StarrStyx Kencho eromanga sensei ero manga eromanga-sensei eromangasensei opening tv size
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Last edited by Kencho 8 years ago, edited 3 times in total.

Doormat

2,050 posts

Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 8 years ago

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 sure

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums sure
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares not bad
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here good catch
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles agree
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet gonna go with two whistles
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i'll try changing this into drum hitnormals for differentiation

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar increased AR to 3.5, it should be a bit more readable for beginners now

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c i ctrl + g'd 00:56:172 (5,6) - to better follow the vocals in both cases. the red tick right before the downbeat is left out to avoid these sections from becoming to dense with 1/2, though,
so i think it's okay to ignore this vocal

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows done

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; / made it cleaner
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline yeah agree, spacing this out more feels more comfortable

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8) this has been addressed before by others, so i decided to just change it

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions? nerfed by a bit and made the (5,6,7) jumps slightly bigger to reflect the difference in emphasis

updated starr's and kencho's diffs. also copied hitsounds for ~~them~~starr and updated combo colours on all diffs. little and xxdeathx wanted different hitsounding so i'll leave it up to them to decide if they want to apply the hitsound mod you provided. thanks pentori~

edit: kencho provided his own hitsounding just now, updated

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 8 years ago

Pentori wrote:
[General]
hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums Added whistle at 00:23:717 (7) in my Insane.
As for other hitsound things, I mostly had whistles in those parts already. My justification for using whistles rather than claps is that claps feel too strong, and I want to maintain contrast between those 1/4 beats and the strong second and fourth beats of the measure. I think whistles provide sufficient feedback in those cases.

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle I think there is enough contrast in intensity in my current usage. My rhythms in the previous section place emphasis on the second beat clap for each phrase, while the rhythms in this "slow" section are all beats 1 and 3. The difference in excitement between emphasizing clap vs. strong main beats makes this section feel less intense in the map. I really want to save the 2/1 slider + circle for the transition at 00:39:808 (3,4)

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick Yeah, snapped to white tick.
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer Fixed.

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing Did a similar thing.

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more These are fine imo. I don't think it looks awful.
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections Distance spacing doesn't scale with intensity; it's used here for emphasis on (3). It was slightly too large here, especially between (3,4), so I reduced it a bit.
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise It just feels right to me. The vocal rhythm is different here, so I wanted to sit on the sustained notes longer.

Thanks.
http://puu.sh/vmpDh/a42941ecd3.zip

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 8 years ago

updated little's diffs, waiting on xxdeathx now

xxdeathx

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Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 8 years ago

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 think doormat changed it

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums don't have anything there in my diff
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares agreed
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^ ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here ^
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles ^
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet had clap but no whistle
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i think it is

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else i hate starting maps with circles because it fks over hidden players and it's even a bit harder for nomod players to get a 300 before they get in the rhythm. i put a slider in front and changed 00:00:536 (1) - to circles so it's consistent now
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable decided to put a jump for each of those things: 00:23:263 (7) - trumpet, 00:23:445 (8) - clap, 00:23:626 (9) - trumpet (though less stressed but still not okay as sliderend or anything), 00:23:808 (1) - finish. i feel like the intensity of this part is a good lead in to the calmer section afterwards.
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider no, in this section until 01:11:808 (1) - i am following the claps on every white tick. because of that i increased slider velocity, and put only sliders that started on white ticks or pairs of circles.

Thanks pentori!

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Doormat

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Doormat 8 years ago

all diffs updated now

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 8 years ago

no one take me serious about weird spread T___T

VINXIS

Featured Artist

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VINXIS 8 years ago

its ok cuz sr doesnt matter when ur talking about spread anyway Lol

Seijiro

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Seijiro 8 years ago

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

Little

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Little 8 years ago

Well, there aren't any significant gaps even if we remove my Normal, but does removing my Normal improve the spread at all? I don't think so.

Doormat

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Doormat 8 years ago

MrSergio wrote:

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

the difficulties do follow a consecutive order, and the ranking criteria is ambiguous on difficulties that are of the same star rating. i don't think the rules are being broken in this case.

VINXIS

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VINXIS 8 years ago

yea i dont c how this set is rule breaking the rule just states that the diff names should b aligned with the sr which they r

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 8 years ago

but what sense have 2 normals and 2 hards that feels like same...
It is boring

A better solution will be a Little's Advanced or something like this

VINXIS

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VINXIS 8 years ago

nonsense ≠ boring

thts not rly a solution tho cuz theres no problem in the first place

doule spreads may b useless/lame to ppl but they rnt problematic

Doormat

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Doormat 8 years ago

explained this in game, but posting here for context as well.

the [Normal] and [Little's Normal] difficulties fundamentally have different rhythm and pattern designs. there are some places where they overlap, but the majority of the map is distinct from each other.

this is more apparent in the [Hard] and [Little's Hard] difficulties, since [Hard] introduces 1/4 beat distance spacing whereas [Little's Hard] doesn't.

overall, the difficulties are different enough from each other, and so the spread is acceptable.

_handholding

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_handholding 8 years ago

pentori denied my kds, why?

If you didn't know the context it was me point out 1/3 snaps and not have them be so strict with DS as to improve readability (overlapping objects that aren't 1/2 gaps are hard to read)

Pentori

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Pentori 8 years ago

spread exists so players of any level can enjoy a song, having the additional difficulties doesn't harm the mapset at all lol.

and kisses your post doesn't even look like a mod, u couldve had the context in the post itself and i wouldnt of denied

oh and qualified!

Doormat

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Doormat 8 years ago

cheers, thanks karen and pentori

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xxdeathx

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xxdeathx 8 years ago

Underforest

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Underforest 8 years ago

congrats!

Gaia

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Gaia 8 years ago

Last edited by Gaia 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Linada

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Linada 8 years ago

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Kalibe

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Kalibe 8 years ago

wew grats

scanter

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scanter 8 years ago

nice

SnowNiNo_

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SnowNiNo_ 8 years ago

u didnt poke me for free mod
sa d :<

Sieg

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Sieg 8 years ago

brilliant

Anxient

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Anxient 8 years ago

something something something IRU YO!
something something something IRU YO!

yep i know the lyrics of this song yup yup

Metaku

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Metaku 8 years ago

Gratz Little for Qualify

DreaM117er

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DreaM117er 8 years ago

Graz

Monstrata

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Monstrata 8 years ago

Honestly, it's kinda ironic that the song "hitorigoto" has a double spread and a tonne of diffs haha. Doesn't hitorigoto mean something like "talking to oneself / being alonef" or something? xD.

Grats, good jumps

Underforest

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Underforest 8 years ago