There is such a large backlash to this new restructure, lets be real and actually take a moment to reconsider all this.
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95% of posts here disagree with that new rule, so pls stop that and reconsider your work on this one.
Looked through it, it's looking more like 100% from anyone that didn't make this decision. The only place I see agreement is for the approval rule.
Who does this benefit?
Mappers? No, it's incredibly limiting.
Players? No, it gives them less variety to pick from.
..why?
that would be good
As solely a player and not a mapper I think this is completely stupid. I love the variety that multiple insanes/extras and guest diffs bring. PP weights need to be fixed(technical/sliders worth more, jump patterns less), we DON'T need to be limiting variety and creativity in mapsets. That is one of the GOOD things about mapping right now.
Also this "restrictions" (i don´t call it restructure) may decrease the amount of maps instead of rebalance the difficulty for all players.
I've made a mapset with a fucking ton of difficulties and I finished it yesterday. Now I've got to delete all my hard work? Fuck it.
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lmfao
Just throwing my two cents here-
I think a forced linear spread could potentially stifle creativity; while it does encourage balance, it also forces the mapper to have to add/remove elements in a difficulty they otherwise may not want to in order to maintain the spread. It could lead to a lot of dumbed down and/or overcomplicated difficulties when they don't have to be.ztrot wrote:
First of all, we reworded the current spread rule. All difficulties in each game mode have to align in a linear and progressive spread. You can add one Ultra difficulty past an Expert difficulty that does not have to increase linearly in difficulty with the rest of the spread. Keep in mind, that Ultra is a placeholder term, used to reflect a high end difficulty that has not been specified with a name yet. We put that name in place, so you guys know what we are talking about when we want to refer to the high end difficulties of a mapset.
This leads to less diversity in my opinion. Many people have different mapping styles (e.g. person A can map an Insane difficulty that is completely different to how person B maps an Insane), and limiting the amount of same difficulties prevents that diversity.ztrot wrote:
Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode. While this appears very limiting at the beginning, the hybrid set rules stay intact. Don't forget that every keycount in osu!mania is considered as individual game mode, too! If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.
I'm sort of okay with this one actually-ztrot wrote:
At last, we altered the requirements for Approval beatmaps. Approval mapsets must have 1 difficulty that is either an Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane. Your mapset must contain an Insane difficulty if an Expert or Ultra difficulty is present. This means that every Approval containing only an Expert or Ultra difficulty must receive a second difficulty. If you do not wish to map more than one difficulty for your Approval sets, we would advise you to keep the single difficulty at Insane level or below.
"Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode..."
I might just be dumb here, but I wish you guys would've provided a reason why this change is necessary. Is it only aesthetic, or is there an actual benefit to this restriction? Why separate maps in to different downloads when you could just pack a bunch of maps in to a single one?
E: I guess the goal is to increase the number of lower tier maps? Not sure how many defferent kinds of easy maps can you make compared to insane/extras, but I guess it's a worthwile goal anyway...
I might just be dumb here, but I wish you guys would've provided a reason why this change is necessary. Is it only aesthetic, or is there an actual benefit to this restriction? Why separate maps in to different downloads when you could just pack a bunch of maps in to a single one?
E: I guess the goal is to increase the number of lower tier maps? Not sure how many defferent kinds of easy maps can you make compared to insane/extras, but I guess it's a worthwile goal anyway...
the whole ranking system is fine as it is right now, why the hell do we need a restructure
Sorry, but I really dislike this change.
I personally find that there usually isn't a very good spread between Normal, Hard, and Insane (As a beginner player, the jump from Normal to Hard was a big one, as was Hard to Insane). It is good to have some sort of inbetween difficulty so that the spreading is much more smooth (Advanded and Light Insane difficulties). This change seems to prevent that.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/347460
I've been working on this for a while, and the fact that I have to remove or completely rework one of the lower and upper difficulties just feels wrong to do in almost every aspect.
I personally find that there usually isn't a very good spread between Normal, Hard, and Insane (As a beginner player, the jump from Normal to Hard was a big one, as was Hard to Insane). It is good to have some sort of inbetween difficulty so that the spreading is much more smooth (Advanded and Light Insane difficulties). This change seems to prevent that.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/347460
I've been working on this for a while, and the fact that I have to remove or completely rework one of the lower and upper difficulties just feels wrong to do in almost every aspect.
wait if i understand this new rule properly, its basically this
as long as we get difficulty icons on set, like easy, normal, hard, insane, extra, its rankable. the spread doesnt matter? so what is the point of the star rating system?
why not just get rid of it? change
into 
coz if it is like that, then holy shit rip the ranking criteria. again.
as long as we get difficulty icons on set, like easy, normal, hard, insane, extra, its rankable. the spread doesnt matter? so what is the point of the star rating system?
why not just get rid of it? change
coz if it is like that, then holy shit rip the ranking criteria. again.
i lol-edAnxient wrote:
wait if i understand this new rule properly, its basically this
as long as we get difficulty icons on set, like easy, normal, hard, insane, extra, so what is the point of the star rating system?
why not just get rid of it? change
coz if it is like that, then holy shit rip the ranking criteria.
I realized 2 things while I was reading the flood of comments coming:
- this new RC rule seems to be pointing the finger to some specific mappers who usually make 6*+ maps
- the staff won't change route no matter what we say (as in most cases)
The real discussion is happening here, not on the Discord #modhelp.
Please re-consider this
- this new RC rule seems to be pointing the finger to some specific mappers who usually make 6*+ maps
- the staff won't change route no matter what we say (as in most cases)
The real discussion is happening here, not on the Discord #modhelp.
Please re-consider this
I really have to disagree with the 1st and the 2nd rule tbh. That will force a mapper to delete many GDs and forcing them to map it and rank it at their own mapsets. It's kinda disappoint to see a new rule like this
For the 3rd rule, what about the "marathon" maps which are likely to have more than 10 mintes long and it is a collab map? It's kinda ridiculous here
Edit: about the 3rd rule, making another diff even that it has extra diff on it is just a wasting of time, really
For the 3rd rule, what about the "marathon" maps which are likely to have more than 10 mintes long and it is a collab map? It's kinda ridiculous here
Edit: about the 3rd rule, making another diff even that it has extra diff on it is just a wasting of time, really
changes like this reminds me why i dont want to be involved with the ranking process anymore
So if I have a set with three insanes, one by me and two GD's, I have to delete those GD's to fit your new dumbass rule? Hahahahaha no
lets make 10star ultra
we
can
fly
we
can
fly
Len wrote:
lets make 10star ultra
we
can
fly
Let me rephrase that.
"Hello everyone, ztrot here, destroying your dreams since 2008!"
seriously (i'm sorry for that rather rough introduction btw
), after working for months on my first map, getting mods, starting to mod other maps recently and shoot my kudosu at my own map, i'll have to completely change it 
i mean i don't even have to change as much as many other mappers. some will have to delete complete difficulties.
"This new rule might seem scary at first but, fear not as we don't want to forget our professional osu! players either!"
yeah, seemingly you don't want to forget the professional osu! players, so let's just forget the mappers instead
Also there's just times when not all difficulties fit to the map. Times when you have something different in mind in terms of the spread.
This will not only significantly increase the work of mappers, moders, BN's and QAT's, it will also erase a part of the mappers freedom. In my opinion we need more freedom instead of more restrictions!
"Hello everyone, ztrot here, destroying your dreams since 2008!"
seriously (i'm sorry for that rather rough introduction btw
), after working for months on my first map, getting mods, starting to mod other maps recently and shoot my kudosu at my own map, i'll have to completely change it i mean i don't even have to change as much as many other mappers. some will have to delete complete difficulties."This new rule might seem scary at first but, fear not as we don't want to forget our professional osu! players either!"
yeah, seemingly you don't want to forget the professional osu! players, so let's just forget the mappers instead
Also there's just times when not all difficulties fit to the map. Times when you have something different in mind in terms of the spread.
This will not only significantly increase the work of mappers, moders, BN's and QAT's, it will also erase a part of the mappers freedom. In my opinion we need more freedom instead of more restrictions!
Thanks for increasing more maps which need to overmapped to surepassed this rules
It's worth mentioning that, under these new rules, NONE of the maps currently on the "Most Played Beatmaps" would have gotten ranked.
Isn't that an obvious sign that this is a terrible decision?
Isn't that an obvious sign that this is a terrible decision?
I do not really agree with the new structure of the spread I mean for example if the spread between easy and normal is kinda huge,it needs another normal,a new one normal and the old one being renamed to Advanced or if the spread between hard and Insane is too kinda huge it needs a difficulty named hyper or light insane but yes,the difficulties which causes problems with the spread can be tuned down just my though.
Also I agree with the spread for approval mapsets regarding Insane and Extra because there are some players who cannot pass the Extra difficulties let's say or passing the high bpm streams.Just my opinion.
Also I agree with the spread for approval mapsets regarding Insane and Extra because there are some players who cannot pass the Extra difficulties let's say or passing the high bpm streams.Just my opinion.
nice to know you guys had the time to proofread your thread etc. but can't even schedule a meeting.Loctav wrote:
let me fix that. 10% were not online.Desperate-kun wrote:
Most of the members of the council were not online when this was discussed.
Happy Valentine's Day to people on Asia.
#BestAprilFoolsDay
oh wait, it's Valentines Day! Enjoy chocolate everyone <3
oh wait, it's Valentines Day! Enjoy chocolate everyone <3
Come on, this completely ruined and ignored current mapping stuffs.
this shit is pretty entertaining to watch i can't even lie
I guess no more to add here.Lust wrote:
changes like this reminds me why i dont want to be involved with the ranking process anymore
95% of posts here disagree with that new rule, so pls stop that and reconsider your work on this one.
Spy wrote:
lmfao
the best ironic phrase 2k16ztrot wrote:
Hello everyone, ztrot here with some exciting new news!
this is put in the beatmaps section
so please
QATs
DQ thisrule map im begging you
so please
QATs
DQ this
is this when strawpoll comes in handy? or is it too hard to make one
0.2 1.69 3.74 5.24 10.0 best spread
Nozhomi wrote:
I guess no more to add here.Lust wrote:
changes like this reminds me why i dont want to be involved with the ranking process anymore
95% of posts here disagree with that new rule, so pls stop that and reconsider your work on this one.
Looked through it, it's looking more like 100% from anyone that didn't make this decision. The only place I see agreement is for the approval rule.
Who does this benefit?
Mappers? No, it's incredibly limiting.
Players? No, it gives them less variety to pick from.
..why?
All I see here is someone having OCD and needed a ruleset to calm themselves down from it.
Yuii- wrote:
Happy Valentine's Day to people on Asia.
I feel like this is one of the issues where you kinda want a consensus when everyone is actually there, even if 10% doesn't agree, the entire structure behind the beatmap shouldnt be able to be changed, as it is arguably the biggest part of the entire video game.
Zero community discussion. Even before considering how awful some of these new rules are - to have this simply rammed down our throats is a joke. At least we know how you really feel about this "community" now.
This is way too limiting and it's obvious the negatives of this change far outweigh the sole positive.. It's clear by the levels of backlash this post has received and I hope there is consideration to compensate for or revert these changes..
or just completely removingXiMerx wrote:
how about putting this into guidelines thank
that would be good
Rules and Guidelines are from now on solely pushed by the Council and their discussions.osu! dictatorship
This Spread™ isn't really a good thing I guess after reading the thread lol...
I really hope you guys can reconsider that diff limitation tho. What's wrong with having more options for the player?
I really hope you guys can reconsider that diff limitation tho. What's wrong with having more options for the player?
itll be soon until peppy comes in and tells everyone to wank wank dick dicks shut the fuck up
2015 was great
holy. the limiting to 1 diff per difficulty level will ruin good spreads NotLikeThis
Don't worry, just make a 1 star diff of itHomestuck wrote:
RIP my two hour long undertale marathon
Nice. This completely ruined current mapping theories.
Oh god, i have to do something for this community.
Let's change the rule!
But i won't make any real discussion and poll because people won't agree with this nonsense
Let's change the rule!
But i won't make any real discussion and poll because people won't agree with this nonsense
Side wrote:
PLz n0 k1ll m4pp3r sp1r17 kthx
This is absurd.
Goodbye guest difficulties.
Goodbye long, difficult marathon maps.
Goodbye big mapsets with a variety of difficulties to play.
Goodbye guest difficulties.
Goodbye long, difficult marathon maps.
Goodbye big mapsets with a variety of difficulties to play.
quit is better
How come we don't have a "+1" button? Because this comment is PERFECT.Asahina Momoko wrote:
the best ironic phrase 2k16ztrot wrote:
Hello everyone, ztrot here with some exciting new news!
Yes. I seriously don't understand what good this could possibly accomplish.PinkHeart wrote:
So that means I can't rank two Insane of different styles just because they got same stars?
As solely a player and not a mapper I think this is completely stupid. I love the variety that multiple insanes/extras and guest diffs bring. PP weights need to be fixed(technical/sliders worth more, jump patterns less), we DON'T need to be limiting variety and creativity in mapsets. That is one of the GOOD things about mapping right now.
After checking my calendar, I am now certain it ain't april fools' yet. Can't say any of the changes would be good in my opinion. If a beatmap is good, why should it not be ranked just because it lacks lower difficulties? Why shouldn't two good insanes be ranked in the same map set?
tldr; imo the changes are fucking retarded
tldr; imo the changes are fucking retarded
I need remap my GDs, or own mapper need improve his diff. or idk, oke. I just a flow river~
I love you CXu, you resume it perfectly ♥CXu wrote:
I feel discouraged at trying to map now :'(PoisonPanda wrote:
This is absurd.
Goodbye guest difficulties.
Goodbye long, difficult marathon maps.
Goodbye big mapsets with a variety of difficulties to play.
calm down moe ppls
we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
The more the restriction on mappers, the more the frustration and pressure they have
To be honest, these rules are terrible since it limits the freedom of creating a map
I don't see any reason that mapsets are needed to be limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode
More difficulties can provide a larger variety for players to play, and allow them to experience different kinds of mapping style in one map
Is this a fault?
More difficulties can provide a more perfect diff-spread for the map, players can select a appropriate difficulty to play and have fun
Is this a fault?
Stop limiting our creativity please
We are black and blue because of the higher restriction of ranking criteria
To be honest, these rules are terrible since it limits the freedom of creating a map
I don't see any reason that mapsets are needed to be limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode
More difficulties can provide a larger variety for players to play, and allow them to experience different kinds of mapping style in one map
Is this a fault?
More difficulties can provide a more perfect diff-spread for the map, players can select a appropriate difficulty to play and have fun
Is this a fault?
Stop limiting our creativity please
We are black and blue because of the higher restriction of ranking criteria
well this is truly the worst idea, ever
it's been said multiple times, but having limitations on the amount of difficult maps is something that absolutely no one asked for, why was this even thought of in the first place? what the fuck?
secondly, FORCING difficult marathon maps to have insanes is just
god
how did you guys come up with this
imagine if this rule came out earlier and furioso melodia or tengaku was forced to have an insane difficulty
the reason these maps are so special is BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE DIFFICULTY AND ITS HARD AS SHIT and it's the mapper's vision on what he wanted to make with the map, difficulty-wise
this is the exact same kind of logic mappers would use to "hit a certain difficulty star rating" through the use of very intense sections, not fitting the song, except opposite
you are forcing mappers to make something easier than their intended vision of the song and thats ridiculous AND time consuming
it's been said multiple times, but having limitations on the amount of difficult maps is something that absolutely no one asked for, why was this even thought of in the first place? what the fuck?
secondly, FORCING difficult marathon maps to have insanes is just
god
how did you guys come up with this
imagine if this rule came out earlier and furioso melodia or tengaku was forced to have an insane difficulty
the reason these maps are so special is BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE DIFFICULTY AND ITS HARD AS SHIT and it's the mapper's vision on what he wanted to make with the map, difficulty-wise
this is the exact same kind of logic mappers would use to "hit a certain difficulty star rating" through the use of very intense sections, not fitting the song, except opposite
you are forcing mappers to make something easier than their intended vision of the song and thats ridiculous AND time consuming
Guess I'll go map a 5* CS6 Insane for my approval map then
Well, i can already smell that this will crash some currently pending beatmaps.ztrot wrote:
At last, we altered the requirements for Approval beatmaps. Approval mapsets must have 1 difficulty that is either an Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane. Your mapset must contain an Insane difficulty if an Expert or Ultra difficulty is present. This means that every Approval containing only an Expert or Ultra difficulty must receive a second difficulty. If you do not wish to map more than one difficulty for your Approval sets, we would advise you to keep the single difficulty at Insane level or below.
Also this "restrictions" (i don´t call it restructure) may decrease the amount of maps instead of rebalance the difficulty for all players.
Can;t there be a "cummunity's voice" poll about it?
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
fuck a donkey™Anxient wrote:
itll be soon until peppy comes in and tells everyone to wank wank dick dicks shut the fuck up
So you're stating that easier diffs require much less effort than Ultras so it's an unimportant thing? Is this game exist only for the 8 star maps?ztrot wrote:
Easy Normal Hard Insane Expert < and if you can make a proper spread you are rewarded to break away and test your limits as a mapper and make a ultra diff
I don't know why is that even need to be more clear. Good mapsets with good difficulties and spread should be ranked. No? How does having more diffs would even hurt it?ztrot wrote:
it is to streamline the mapping process make things more clear as I have stated
Actually I think that Easy Normal Hard Insane Expert Ultra nameset is nothing but a name. So the community already knows that what fits to each difficulty, so they know that Light Insane is easier than Insane and harder than Hard. Why having this kind of difficulty is bad? Who decided that "next to Hard should be always harder as much as the Insane - Hard gap"? Is (Insane - Hard)/2 gap bad? Why?ztrot wrote:
That being said as long as there is progression why do you need two insanes in the same set?
Len wrote:
its very interesting rule
Waiting for this!!Len wrote:
calm down moe ppls
we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
Democratic People's Republic of osu!
Clearly, nobody likes these new changes.
PLEASE, CHANGE THESE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY RETARDED.
PLEASE, CHANGE THESE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY RETARDED.
I was gonna voice my opinion on this but then realized this thread is getting 3 pages of said opinion every minute.
says something doesn't it hehe
says something doesn't it hehe
Don't be ridiculous. Of course you don't get a choice in what happens.Bara- wrote:
Can;t there be a "cummunity's voice" poll about it?
I 100% believe that a lot of mappers won't map anymore if this rules are already finalized
WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
This.Idealism wrote:
WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
I've made a mapset with a fucking ton of difficulties and I finished it yesterday. Now I've got to delete all my hard work? Fuck it.
E m i
and what about the mappers who exist out there that love a song so much they map tons of difficulties for it all on their own? rip to them too.Shiguri wrote:
rip lazy mappers
DeletedUser_2304476
So there can only be one 'ultra' difficulty? Does that mean that map sets like this will no longer be allowed?ztrot wrote:
You can add one Ultra difficulty past an Expert difficulty that does not have to increase linearly in difficulty with the rest of the spread. Keep in mind, that Ultra is a placeholder term, used to reflect a high end difficulty that has not been specified with a name yet. We put that name in place, so you guys know what we are talking about when we want to refer to the high end difficulties of a mapset.
Just why?ztrot wrote:
Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode. While this appears very limiting at the beginning, the hybrid set rules stay intact. Don't forget that every keycount in osu!mania is considered as individual game mode, too! If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.
well this is fucking retarded
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
osu file format v15 are upon us
Who came up with this idea in the first place?
Tho I do agree with allowing one or more "ultra" diffs, but not the linear spread.
Tho I do agree with allowing one or more "ultra" diffs, but not the linear spread.
no plsAnxient wrote:
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
UR MUM! Hewl noh, Rito pls fix ResidentSleeper