I wouldn't get too worked up over it. There are certain stream maps I can finish with either 99%+ or <96% depending on my focus levels going into the map. Just go with your best score.Insyni wrote:
Though if you have a song you FC with 99%, then go back a few days later and only get 95% with a lower score... wouldn't it be best to move it down a few brackets?
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No.
This system is meant for effective practice.
If you can get a 99% FC on a song it means that the song is not suited to be good practice even if there may be some hard parts for you. Being able to fc a song with 99% acc in 9 of 10 plays is NOT the desired result of this method
The maps that will stay in the lower brackets are maps that you have serious problems with and they will often contain a lot of elements you're very inconsistent on. Essentially this method is a filter method for good practice maps - maps that present you your problem(s) in the most simple context.
Maps you can't even hope to get good acc on without actually solving the problem(s).
Look at this map for example:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/366241
My acc always drops at the concluding streams by like 2% so i usually get below 97% acc on it.
The streams are obviously my problem here in terms of acc but the map is not good to practice them cause there's literally only one problematic part at the very end(I got a 96% S on it with one sliderbreak, so I could FC it with some effort).
I got some maps in my lower brackets though that are more suited to practice streaming so if I want the brackets to represent my problem density there's no sense to put the map i linked into a lower bracket again cause the amount of problems won't change from me getting 2% acc less out of randomness.
This system is meant for effective practice.
If you can get a 99% FC on a song it means that the song is not suited to be good practice even if there may be some hard parts for you. Being able to fc a song with 99% acc in 9 of 10 plays is NOT the desired result of this method
The maps that will stay in the lower brackets are maps that you have serious problems with and they will often contain a lot of elements you're very inconsistent on. Essentially this method is a filter method for good practice maps - maps that present you your problem(s) in the most simple context.
Maps you can't even hope to get good acc on without actually solving the problem(s).
Look at this map for example:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/366241
My acc always drops at the concluding streams by like 2% so i usually get below 97% acc on it.
The streams are obviously my problem here in terms of acc but the map is not good to practice them cause there's literally only one problematic part at the very end(I got a 96% S on it with one sliderbreak, so I could FC it with some effort).
I got some maps in my lower brackets though that are more suited to practice streaming so if I want the brackets to represent my problem density there's no sense to put the map i linked into a lower bracket again cause the amount of problems won't change from me getting 2% acc less out of randomness.
Why not? It's good for trying to reduce UR on maps that take a lot of focus to do well (e.g. streams)Endaris wrote:
Being able to fc a song with 99% acc in 9 of 10 plays is NOT the desired result of this method
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You will be able to do it anyway if you got better by practicing on suited maps. This was written in the sense that this isn't the criteria for bracketsorting.
Just saying that such maps are not as good for practice as others.
Also UR is something that decreases on its own as you continue to play more. I never played for UR yet it went down consistently.
Just saying that such maps are not as good for practice as others.
Also UR is something that decreases on its own as you continue to play more. I never played for UR yet it went down consistently.
good way to decrease ur is to play maps that aren't demanding in the aim category but are higher od than you are used to so you are getting like 96%-97% then get that up to 99
also hard rock if you are fully comfortable with ar10 and cs5.2
I really see no difference between 99% and 100%, both mean the player is playing the map at a perfect level imo, at least for me, if i get 99% it's because of mess-ups that are me related and not related to the difficulty of the map, and are usually at random parts.
also hard rock if you are fully comfortable with ar10 and cs5.2
I really see no difference between 99% and 100%, both mean the player is playing the map at a perfect level imo, at least for me, if i get 99% it's because of mess-ups that are me related and not related to the difficulty of the map, and are usually at random parts.
Yup. Though I would argue that you can do this even without increasing the OD, simply by listening to the hitsounds. I can usually tell when my hitsounds are off even if I get a 300xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
good way to decrease ur is to play maps that aren't demanding in the aim category but are higher od than you are used to so you are getting like 96%-97% then get that up to 99
wish i had that optionpandaBee wrote:
Yup. Though I would argue that you can do this even without increasing the OD, simply by listening to the hitsounds. I can usually tell when my hitsounds are off even if I get a 300xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
good way to decrease ur is to play maps that aren't demanding in the aim category but are higher od than you are used to so you are getting like 96%-97% then get that up to 99
Playing high OD is a good idea anyway. Knowing that you can't be lazy will force you to stay focused and lower your UR over time.
Unfortunately I can't play HR so I'm stuck with OD8 and the handful of OD9 maps that I can pass/FC.
Unfortunately I can't play HR so I'm stuck with OD8 and the handful of OD9 maps that I can pass/FC.
You can always edit the maps to whatever od you want barucchi.Barusamikosu wrote:
Playing high OD is a good idea anyway. Knowing that you can't be lazy will force you to stay focused and lower your UR over time.
Unfortunately I can't play HR so I'm stuck with OD8 and the handful of OD9 maps that I can pass/FC.
Though if you FC a song with 99% then in the following 10 attempts you score 95% without a FC, wouldn't you agree it belongs in the 95% bracket even though you only managed to get good accuracy once or twice with some luck and rhythm?Endaris wrote:
Being able to fc a song with 99% acc in 9 of 10 plays is NOT the desired result of this method
I should have mentioned it was a month ago that I scored 99% from going through the song and practicing the hard parts repeatedly. Now that I go back to it, I am unable to complete the hard parts without missing... so it goes to a lower bracket.
Overall I really approve of your system. Thanks for sharing! ^.^
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I think it's ok to keep playing that map if you think that it is good practice for you but imo you should add it to another collection on top of the 99%+ to keep everything clear.
I hared improving myself
plus hard shit is fun, well its fun if your enjoyment doesnt revolve around grinding for ppxxjesus1412fanx wrote:
Also, playing bullshit level hard stuff is a great way to warm-up and will make full-comboing things a lot easier when you step down the difficulty. confirmed by bahamete.
edit: and has worked for me
TBH, this thread feels off for me, there is no one good way to get good at osu, but i think the most important thing is that people realize what they are bad at, and then they practice that in particular to improve. One of the most obvious things to do with this is practicing streams, but there are many other things as well, such as practicing aim by editing maps to cs7, acc by editing to od10, reading by playing clusterfuck maps. There is no right or wrong thing to play at a time as long as you are playing to improve.
http://ask.fm/Axarious/answer/127804281942
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I never claimed it to be the "one good way". I said that it is one way of many ways and even though it's probably not the best it is likely to work for everyone regardless of playstyle.
Also this mainly adresses new players. I don't know how you measure it but personally I don't think that one is good at 1500pp. It is meant to lead new players through the basics and I think at a point where you can't even properly do triples it is very counterproductive to give yourself challenges that are completely off from what you're actually playing:
You won't be close to CS7/OD10 maps when playing maps around 3 stars and even if you want that kind of challenge it is still a lot better to search for existing maps with these parameters instead of editing some maps that were mapped for another circlesize(CS massively affects how you map).
It gives you an orientation when this certain CS7-Aimskill(or whatever) becomes relevant.
Improving at osu! is like climbing Yggdrasil(or any other tree/building piercing the sky). Try to get to the next level before reaching for the stars.
Sure you ARE at a level where editing maps to CS7/OD10 makes sense for practice but new players aren't. Gotta FC Koigokoro(or any other jumpspam-map with nontrivial spacing) first before thinking about special aimtraining.
I also get the impression that you didn't even read the thread. It is basically a system that filters out maps you're bad at while keeping the overall difficulty level low so you get a good practice environment.
Also this mainly adresses new players. I don't know how you measure it but personally I don't think that one is good at 1500pp. It is meant to lead new players through the basics and I think at a point where you can't even properly do triples it is very counterproductive to give yourself challenges that are completely off from what you're actually playing:
You won't be close to CS7/OD10 maps when playing maps around 3 stars and even if you want that kind of challenge it is still a lot better to search for existing maps with these parameters instead of editing some maps that were mapped for another circlesize(CS massively affects how you map).
It gives you an orientation when this certain CS7-Aimskill(or whatever) becomes relevant.
Improving at osu! is like climbing Yggdrasil(or any other tree/building piercing the sky). Try to get to the next level before reaching for the stars.
Sure you ARE at a level where editing maps to CS7/OD10 makes sense for practice but new players aren't. Gotta FC Koigokoro(or any other jumpspam-map with nontrivial spacing) first before thinking about special aimtraining.
I also get the impression that you didn't even read the thread. It is basically a system that filters out maps you're bad at while keeping the overall difficulty level low so you get a good practice environment.
i disagree that keeping the overall difficulty level low is a better practice environment then going for b's and barely a's on hard maps. I believe that both work as long as you play the game a lot. I remember when i first started playing, i played easy for about 15 mins until i got used to reading, then i moved onto normals and then normals with hr. Halfway through day 2 i was spending most of my time on osu playing hards. I had shit acc but it didnt matter, i was playing with the objective of passing maps that i couldnt pass before. I feel that this was the absolute best way for me to improve, however its not a good way to improve unless you can actually put the time into having so many retries and fails. I moved onto playing 4 star songs about 3 weeks after i started, i got so many fails but i was improving so it didnt matter. What im trying to say is that for beginners there is no such thing as a good practice environment, there are only bad ones <- such as playing 2 star songs forever, as long as you play the game as much as possible, you will improve quickly.
me too, i guess it's standardII Jelli II wrote:
Halfway through day 2 i was spending most of my time on osu playing hards.
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If you don't want to read my posts it's better if you write "tl;dr" okay?II Jelli II wrote:
i disagree that keeping the overall difficulty level low is a better practice environment then going for b's and barely a's on hard maps. I believe that both work as long as you play the game a lot. I remember when i first started playing, i played easy for about 15 mins until i got used to reading, then i moved onto normals and then normals with hr. Halfway through day 2 i was spending most of my time on osu playing hards. I had shit acc but it didnt matter, i was playing with the objective of passing maps that i couldnt pass before. I feel that this was the absolute best way for me to improve, however its not a good way to improve unless you can actually put the time into having so many retries and fails. I moved onto playing 4 star songs about 3 weeks after i started, i got so many fails but i was improving so it didnt matter. What im trying to say is that for beginners there is no such thing as a good practice environment, there are only bad ones <- such as playing 2 star songs forever, as long as you play the game as much as possible, you will improve quickly.
Doing this made realize just how shit my accuracy is. Thanks.Endaris wrote:
play more™
The idea is to organize every single one of your maps in accuracy brackets.
I suggest the following collections:
<88%
88-92%
92-95%
95-97%
97-98%
98-99%
99%+
This is probably the most useful guide I've seen since I've started playing. Wish I saw it sooner before I got 5000 beatmaps.
I don't even have 5,000 beatmaps.Kradfiz wrote:
This is probably the most useful guide I've seen since I've started playing. Wish I saw it sooner before I got 5000 beatmaps.
More importantly, who has OVER 90000!Khelly wrote:
I don't even have 5,000 beatmaps.Kradfiz wrote:
This is probably the most useful guide I've seen since I've started playing. Wish I saw it sooner before I got 5000 beatmaps.
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Doing this made me realise just how many 1 miss/1x100 plays I have. Thanks for boosting my confidence.Pituophis wrote:
Doing this made realize just how shit my accuracy is. Thanks.Endaris wrote:
play more™
The idea is to organize every single one of your maps in accuracy brackets.
I suggest the following collections:
<88%
88-92%
92-95%
95-97%
97-98%
98-99%
99%+
Only one miss?HK_ wrote:
Doing this made me realise just how many 1 miss/1x100 plays I have. Thanks for boosting my confidence.
Statistics and guides..
People around here really are playing seriously!
My view of it is to just play hard stuff and have fun! The skill comes as you have fun ^-^
Challenge yourself and keep playing different maps.
EDIT: Remember: Don't strive for PP, get better & have fun instead
People around here really are playing seriously!
My view of it is to just play hard stuff and have fun! The skill comes as you have fun ^-^
Challenge yourself and keep playing different maps.
EDIT: Remember: Don't strive for PP, get better & have fun instead
What if striving for pp makes you get better and have fun?Nadfee wrote:
Statistics and guides..
People around here really are playing seriously!
My view of it is to just play hard stuff and have fun! The skill comes as you have fun ^-^
Challenge yourself and keep playing different maps.
EDIT: Remember: Don't strive for PP, get better & have fun instead
Good point. Bad on my part, was probably being too close-minded.Khelly wrote:
What if striving for pp makes you get better and have fun?Nadfee wrote:
Statistics and guides..
People around here really are playing seriously!
My view of it is to just play hard stuff and have fun! The skill comes as you have fun ^-^
Challenge yourself and keep playing different maps.
EDIT: Remember: Don't strive for PP, get better & have fun instead
If you'd let me rephrase then..
Use whatever method you think is fun for playing the game and don't force yourself into something boring solely for the purpose of getting better.
Because fun will keep you in check whilst the skill will come on its own subconsciously!
Oops you mean 5 digit lol?
PP, not rankKukiMonster wrote:
Oops you mean 5 digit lol?
Was just happy I hit over 1k back then.. ^-^
E m i
Eat smart play hard
Don't skip leg day. Squats and oats.
on topic... so basically if a map is in the 99%-100% collection it's basically not interesting for training and is only played for fun right?
Train you accuracy, unstable rate, aim, consistency, streaming speed/stamina.yamane-kurou wrote:
on topic... so basically if a map is in the 99%-100% collection it's basically not interesting for training and is only played for fun right?
So yea, everything.
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that's pretty much correct.yamane-kurou wrote:
on topic... so basically if a map is in the 99%-100% collection it's basically not interesting for training and is only played for fun right?
99%+ always means that you can do most parts of the map with very high consistence and that the troublesome parts aren't plenty or difficult enough to make the map worthwile for practice. It doesn't have to be worthless for practice but maps from lower brackets are better in most cases.
You can always go for the SSyamane-kurou wrote:
on topic... so basically if a map is in the 99%-100% collection it's basically not interesting for training and is only played for fun right?
and another question....
what should I do with the Maps that I know are way above my skill. like at the moment I can play maps around between 1.5 and 2 stars... yeah I know I suck XD should I still play 4, 5, 6 star difficulties of a song with no fail to sort them into <88% or can I just put them there without playing because I just know there is no way for me to pass them.
what should I do with the Maps that I know are way above my skill. like at the moment I can play maps around between 1.5 and 2 stars... yeah I know I suck XD should I still play 4, 5, 6 star difficulties of a song with no fail to sort them into <88% or can I just put them there without playing because I just know there is no way for me to pass them.
Topic Starter
You don't put maps into a bracket before you played them.
The first is sightreading maps you didn't play before.It's up to you where you put the edges of your search. If you're aware that you can't play 4-star maps you should choose your upper border accordingly.
Use a rather broad difficulty range here. As the maximum difficulty I would recommend a stardifficulty you're confident that you can get a B on though.
To find such maps you can set filters by typing "star>a.bc star<x.yz" and then happily press F2 or filter by difficulty and work your way through(If you downloaded a lot of maps you can skip songs where the preview sounds disgusting to you).
I assume you mean to say this if you've already FCed the map? I have plenty of 5 star maps I've gotten 99% on but have yet to FC, and would still learn a lot from playing them.Endaris wrote:
that's pretty much correct.yamane-kurou wrote:
on topic... so basically if a map is in the 99%-100% collection it's basically not interesting for training and is only played for fun right?
99%+ always means that you can do most parts of the map with very high consistence and that the troublesome parts aren't plenty or difficult enough to make the map worthwile for practice.