NinjaNick wrote:

Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.

But I feel it's the opposite... My current top PP play i got 6 months ago I can't even pass.

NinjaNick wrote:

Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.

i bet ur not rly a ninja

I tried playing more, it doesn't work.

play hard as shit stuff most of the time and then every so often try to get some PP to see if you improved. thats the best way. thats how i spiked so hard and replaced like all my top ranks 2 weeks ago. now im just going back to nofailing/playing stuff i barely pass and then in another month or so im gonna spike again

Two words :
Stickied
Threads.

And if you're too lazy to read all of that, it's fine, there's another great solution in two words :
Play
More.

+ some quotes that you might need right now, from what I can see.

edit cause failed links

Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.

Then those players are out of luck, plain and simple. It isn't that "play more" is the easiest answer, it's that it's the only answer. osu! is a very simple game.

B1rd wrote:

Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.

So I should give up ?

Try play long duration enjoying song like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/36319 with NF is possible. Blank your mind while playing, dont let miss motivate you to retry. Play song until it finished

never gonna give u up

play DT

Nyoko wrote:

NinjaNick wrote:

Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.

But I feel it's the opposite... My current top PP play i got 6 months ago I can't even pass.

That means you're worse than you were before and you don't deserve a better rank.

Your play history shows that you put nearly no effort into improving, so suck it up and accept that you aren't half as good as you were expecting yourself to be.

Nyoko wrote:

So I should give up ?

Yes.

At least, if random people you just met on the Internet telling you to stop is enough to convince you, then yes, you should.

Nyoko wrote:

I have been rank 35k for like a year now and i just don't get better =[

Maybe you're old and crap like me. *hugs*


Edit: the game has become a lot more competitive in the last two or so years too. You are improving if your rank's staying the same.

Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.

I'll be your coach. Just let me stay at your house and eat all your food and I'll teach you everything I know about osu.

FlyingKebab wrote:

Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.

That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.

Woobowiz wrote:

That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.

I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:

JAKACHAN wrote:

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.

I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.

FlyingKebab wrote:

'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.

NF shouldn't be shunned, but it shouldn't be the first goto choice for practice. Only use NF if you the song you're trying to pass has a choke point. That way you will eventually iron out the wrinkles. But absolutely do not use NF on songs that you will flat line or you won't improve in anyway and you might actually develop bad habits and get worse.

KukiMonster wrote:

NF shouldn't be shunned, but it shouldn't be the first goto choice for practice. Only use NF if you the song you're trying to pass has a choke point. That way you will eventually iron out the wrinkles. But absolutely do not use NF on songs that you will flat line or you won't improve in anyway and you might actually develop bad habits and get worse.

Err.. I mean't NF something that you can at least get 65-70% + acc, NF'ing Big Black wont or at least shouldn't give you anything. But 65-70% range songs will give you good challenge that you will eventually overcome.

65-70% is mashing range though, 80-90% would be better

i ain't gonna fc this shit anytime soon

Let me summarize this topic

FlyingKebab wrote:

I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.

Jakachan plays a musical instrument.

You need to learn rhythm to learn the game. If you have good rhythm, NF could work. If you don't, go gradual.

Mashing is just that, absence of rhythm.

I haev dedcided to give up ;c

Nyoko wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.

So I should give up ?

Nyoko wrote:

I haev dedcided to give up ;c

you're more talented than me

if you give up you're wasting all of your talent

FlyingKebab wrote:

There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better

The infuriating fact is that you have ZERO proof for that statement, please don't pull facts out of your ass, or at least don't make them widely out of context. They didn't use NF until they were Top 100, maybe when they were 60k like everyone else.

FlyingKebab wrote:

Err.. I mean't NF something that you can at least get 65-70% + acc, NF'ing Big Black wont or at least shouldn't give you anything. But 65-70% range songs will give you good challenge that you will eventually overcome.

65-70% is horrible and just mashing 99% of the time.

There's ZERO challenge in a map you can't remotely play well with at all. At least provide a realistic 80-90% accuracy scenario for challenging maps, at that point you're actually getting something out of it.

65-70% accuracy with NF mod is close to worthless in terms of what you can gain from a map, unless it's a stream practice map.

if you give up you will never be good.

RaneFire wrote:

You need to learn rhythm to learn the game

it helps so much to have a fundamental understanding of how beats and metric structure work

not for streaming though my babby fingers are just really weak ><

FlyingKebab wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.

I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:

JAKACHAN wrote:

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.

I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. You won't get better by repeatedly doing something wrong.

Woobowiz wrote:

FlyingKebab wrote:

Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.

That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.

two weeks ago i couldn't even get 30% accuracy on eighto and i couldn't even see the circles in time. After playing it for like 300 times, now i get 70% and i am able to play ar9.6 (could barely play ar9) thanks to eighto and i started practicint ar10 now, since one of my goals is to pass airman, nomod
(and yes i have memorized the beatmap, so what? My aim has improved drastically and my rank skyrocketed in the past 3 days, gained like 150pp. Insane...)

MiloSx7 wrote:

two weeks ago i couldn't even get 30% accuracy on eighto and i couldn't even see the circles in time. After playing it for like 300 times, now i get 70% and i am able to play ar9.6 (could barely play ar9) thanks to eighto and i started practicint ar10 now, since one of my goals is to pass airman, nomod
(and yes i have memorized the beatmap, so what? My aim has improved drastically and my rank skyrocketed in the past 3 days, gained like 150pp. Insane...)

The difference between 30% acc and 70% acc after 2 weeks of playing a map is nothing compared to the difference between 70% acc and 90%+ acc. Mashing is still mashing, going from 30% to 70% just means you hit more notes, it doesn't really prove much besides you can now react to that specific map with AR 10.

And I don't mean to be condescending, but.....an average gain of 50 pp at that rank isn't extraordinary, in fact it is ordinary, regardless of what map you "practiced" on. In fact, not too long ago when I was at that range, it was common to suddenly spike 100-150 pp in a single day.

But if you insist this is the way for you to "improve", you could try out Existence instead of Eighto, see you at the 4 digit rankings :^)

eighto is easy to read hard to keep up with

FlyingKebab wrote:

Woobowiz wrote:

That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.

I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:

JAKACHAN wrote:

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.

I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.

I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.

cheezstik wrote:

I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.

I don't necessarily agree with this point, but I agree that using NF is not the way to improve.

Also, off topic, but holy shit, the third electrician guy just came to my place, and now I actually have internet. Is this reality?

cheezstik wrote:

I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.

He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.

FlyingKebab wrote:

I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF

You'll be one of those guys who manage to do something with <80% accuracy and have everyone aknowledge that you passed the song but not in a "respect this guy" way. They'll be like "look at this masher".

Hi,

I'm a relatively new player and very inexperienced compared to most of you. Even so, I believe I can contribute to this thread. I'd like to say that I believe there's more than one way to skin a cat. As someone who has been and still is fairly consistent in improving almost everyday most of my plays have been repeat after repeat on maps I can't/couldn't clear for the purpose of playing at the edge of my abilites. I also find several maps that I believe I can FC, add them to a list and practice them several times until they are done => remove from list and add new ones. Then there's a lot of reflection going on, how do I approach these patterns? Do I generally press too late/early? Should I try pressing my keys at a different angle? I don't believe mindlessly playing more and more is a way to approach the matter of improvement. This has been demonstrated time after time in several other games/sports. People with insane amount of time played can range from pro's to beginner level. Talent aside, I think it's mostly about how you approach things in general that will determine if you perform well.

i dont think nf is useless, but you should use it sparingly. Using it too often on maps (especially jump maps) that you can barely get a 80%+ on can screw up ur aim. However I think its good to do it once in a while and alternating between practice and NFing the hard ones (95% practice, 5% NF) and how you practice is really up to yourself. I think challenging yourself is the best way to improve and watching ur own replays to see what skill you need to work on.

NF should really only be used if you're reading the map alright but struggling with high-drain. NFing maps you can't read or play will only pay off if you're able to figure out the maps without memorizing them simply by exposure, and that takes monstrous reading potential.

And now you're lying to yourself. Or you're just attentionwhoseeking since the beginning.
Most likely the latter.

FlyingKebab wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.

He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.

"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.

cheezstik wrote:

"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.

People just get lazy so they just stick it in there so they feel like they did something.

In this particular instance FlyingKebab is correct. Woobsie's done good work, but he's had to work hard for it.

working hard doesn't mean you will get good. you have to play the right maps and have talent too.

cheezstik wrote:

"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.

Maybe because that's literally the only thing you can do to improve? You aren't going to improve by reading the forums or watching other people play, unlike a bunch of other games where there's actually strategies and things to be learned.

B1rd wrote:

working hard doesn't mean you will get good. you have to play the right maps and have talent too.

Well, yeah.

o/

Rewben2 wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.

Maybe because that's literally the only thing you can do to improve? You aren't going to improve by reading the forums or watching other people play, unlike a bunch of other games where there's actually strategies and things to be learned.

Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.

Always challenge yourself every day. That's what I do. Or do you want me to come and play some multi with you?

cheezstik wrote:

Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.

I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to it

Rewben2 wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.

I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to it

Yeah of course. Hate to admit it as well, but doing all this dirty DT farming which I found out about on the forums / reddit has indirectly improved me as well, I can't say my snapping and single tap speed haven't gotten better since I picked up DT, even though I initially started doing it for the easy pp.

Rewben2 wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.

I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to it

the things that you can learn from the forums aren't just tricks, it's major stuff that can really help you out, and isn't otherwise intuitive.

B1rd wrote:

the things that you can learn from the forums aren't just tricks, it's major stuff that can really help you out, and isn't otherwise intuitive.

Most of it is intuitive though. All of the top players got there through playing the game a lot. I can safely say that some of the best didn't read up on the game much at all. You aren't going to read something that will magically improve your gameplay by a large amount, things like disabling aero and for some using a skin are slight advantages.

disabling aero isn't minor. And getting a tablet and mech keyboard definitely isn't. Other stuff for example- don't NF spam maps and learn streams by practicing low bpm.

B1rd wrote:

disabling aero isn't minor. And getting a tablet and mech keyboard definitely isn't. Other stuff for example- don't NF spam maps and learn streams by practicing low bpm.

Does aero really make that much difference? How are people affording these $200 mechanical keyboards + tablets if their computer can't even run osu >_>.

B1rd wrote:

disabling aero isn't minor. And getting a tablet and mech keyboard definitely isn't. Other stuff for example- don't NF spam maps and learn streams by practicing low bpm.

Uhh, yes it is. I've read multiple times people can't even tell the difference when aero is off/on. It's definitely not more than a minor improvement.

Getting a tablet/mech keyboard is preference and not even osu! related. They are peripherals... That's like saying upgrading your computer is an advantage, it's not really fair to say that. I guess tablet is something valid because some people don't know of their existence, same kind of goes to mechs too. But still.

The way of practising is meh... Anyone can really figure that out on their own, but I guess if you need to be told "practice what you want to improve at" then sure you can consider that something learned from foruming.

I's like to add that every method wil work differently for each person. For example NF might not work for a majority but it works for some people. It's kind of a 50/50 thing. However gradual improvement works for the majority of people so it is accepted to be an undeniably working method.

FlyingKebab wrote:

I's like to add that every method wil work differently for each person. For example NF might not work for a majority but it works for some people. It's kind of a 50/50 thing. However gradual improvement works for the majority of people so it is accepted to be an undeniably working method.

I would hardly consider it improving if it's not an FC with at least 97 or 98% acc. Hell, even 96% acc means I mashed on at least one part of the song.

Woobowiz wrote:

FlyingKebab wrote:

I's like to add that every method wil work differently for each person. For example NF might not work for a majority but it works for some people. It's kind of a 50/50 thing. However gradual improvement works for the majority of people so it is accepted to be an undeniably working method.

I would hardly consider it improving if it's not an FC with at least 97 or 98% acc. Hell, even 96% acc means I mashed on at least one part of the song.

No Failing is trying to obtain better reading and or motor skills faster than playing easier songs. No Fails goal is general skill and not accuracy directly, however if you go back to the maps you couldn't get more then lets say 90% because of difficulty then you will have an easier time reading the map because it will pale in difficulty in comparison to what had been playing for lets say a few weeks. And then as I mentioned, you will be able to hit the notes but you will need to fine tune your newly obtained aim so you actually hit them to the beat and etc. BUT you will still be hitting the things you couldn't hit. Practicing getting better accuracy on a song you know you can survive and hit all the notes albeit not perfectly is easier than practicing accuracy AND aim on a map you can't fully complete without too much stress and the likes.

And this comes down to personal preference, either you try to play stuff slowly and not lose your fine 97%+ acc, or you ramp up the challenge and go for a faster and different approach of getting better at just completing maps without the goal of perfection at that time. Then you stop at the point you want to lets say 5 star since you survive all of them. And then you start fine-tuning all the other things like accuracy or other problems like stream stability you might have at that time.

In nearly every case, if you need to turn on no-fail then the map is too hard for you and you shouldn't even attempt it yet.

buny wrote:

In nearly every case, if you need to turn on no-fail then the map is too hard for you and you shouldn't even attempt it yet.

I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.

EDIT: I am more satisfied in passing a hard map than passing an easier map with good acc.

Anyways there is not point in discussing this any further tbh. It's the same thing over and over again.

FlyingKebab wrote:

I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.

EDIT: I am more satisfied in passing a hard map than passing an easier map with good acc.

It will stop working in time. And even if you've noticed improvement of that sort, it's (subjectively) a vastly inferior training method that can get you into horribly bad habits. Which include Lazy Cursor and a Twitchy and Glitchy Cursor movement, over time it'll just fuck up your aim rather than improve it. I can imagine your cursor movements are already glitchy

What do you mean by glitchy? I move my cursor in straight one line movements.

I have a bunch of friends i invited to osu! and they always complain: Dude i can't pass this its way too hard. I gave them all a map that is very hard for them (like eighto is for me) and told them to do their best. They didn't even try, as far as i can see they were just moving their mouse in random directions and mashing keyboard and quit the song like 20 seconds after playing it crying: it's way to hard.
Now i don't want to say that i don't do that too. But I always play till the end, no matter if i can't hit one single circle i always try to move my cursor to it even tho I'm very late, and sometimes i don't even do it if I dont see the circle.
The point is: If you play hard maps to laugh your ass out because its incredibly hard for you to even see (don't want to mention reacting and actually hitting) then you are wasting your time. Otherwise it is very good way to improve. It helped me, at least, although I'm not in a hurry. I will climb slowly, but surely c:

I'll offer something new. I originally was stuck at 40k ranking, and then I decided to try HD. Now I only play with hidden. At the time, I got worse for only a single day, and the day after, I improved a lot.

Then I got stuck at ~22k. I was here for a while, then I finally decided it was time to step down. I had originally been playing at 8200 dpi, and this was a huge step for me. I moved to 6400 dpi, and felt awkward playing most of the time. However, it took about a week to get used to, and I improved steadily after that. About a month ago, I felt blocked at ~15k, and I finally decided to step down another notch. I still use my mouse at 6400 dpi while doing work, web browsing, and playing other games, but I play osu! at 4800 dpi.

All the while, I was always challenging myself. I'd play maps that I know I can pass, but usually in the B/C range, and would fail if I messed up somewhere. I practice a lot, but almost never with NF. NF means that it's probably out of my skill range, and I'd find something slightly easier. On a good day, where I feel that my jumps are accurate and my streams are consistent, I have a folder of "FC" and "To Beat" maps that I've played before and felt like I could FC/beat, and I'd give a couple of those a shot. Something I find useful is to play random maps (F2). This avoids constantly playing the same map, and keeps you on your toes while playing. You can't just build muscle memory for a single beatmap. You want to improve overall.

I guess as a final note: Don't grind. It puts your ranking way above your skill level. A good estimate is to not play the same map more than 2-3 times in a row, and personally, I've never played a specific beatmap more than 100 times.

Lightningtwilly wrote:

I guess as a final note: Don't grind. It puts your ranking way above your skill level. A good estimate is to not play the same map more than 2-3 times in a row, and personally, I've never played a specific beatmap more than 100 times.

I know right, I can't imagine how people retry a map more than 3 times unless they get like ONE miss.

Get lots of songs and delete every difficulty except the hardest (and maybe the second hardest so you can use mods on them) in every song you download, so get rid of every easy, normal, or sub 4 star map. The reason for this is usually people tend to put more effort in the hardest difficulty when mapping, there are some songs out there where their hardest difficulties are pretty good for beginner players.

Next Sort them in any fashion you feel comfortable with developing: bpm, length, star rating, etc. Practice them in various orders and try to pass with A/S rank on every one of them. If you get a C play something slightly easier, if you get a B retry until you get an A or S. Getting D ranks are a clear indicator the map is way out of your league. After a while go back and try to beat your scores with higher accuracy or with mods retaining the same accuracy or higher in fewer plays, doing so will develop consistency. If you have a 98 to 99% on a map don't settle for <96% mod play unless it's obviously reaaaally hard/rewarding rank wise. Keep at it until you can get at the very least a 97% and just come back to it later.

Aim usually requires a comfortable consistently playable setup so you can develop muscle memory quickly. With mice you disable any acceleration or angle snapping. On tablets map it to a size that is simple for you to reach all four corners without straining yourself (keep in mind if you're playing on a 16:9 or 16:10 the playfield is actually 4:3 so you have room to map it larger, if you don't understand what I'm saying about this then I can clarify it in another post). Aside from the setup it just takes practicing a variety of maps with lots of different patterns. Mostly you want to focus on each note and try to stop at the very center of it as quickly as you can.

Just don't get stuck on focusing aim training like a lot of beginner players tend to do, stream training is just as important. For this it requires you to play to a tempo, usually streams are mapped as 1/4th of the bpm. This requires you to hit 1/2 notes with each finger in succession. You can train your fingers individually by playing maps with lots of half notes. When getting to actually hit streams you want to listen to the sounds in the music, I like to focus on one finger to make sure that I hit the half notes in the streams just right and then I follow through with my other finger. Streams tend to be the hardest thing about osu! in my opinion because there are such physical limitations as well.

So going back to my first paragraph, play 160bpm maps or 4 star maps, whatever you feel comfortable with and go up from there. If you fall back on easy maps and play them all the time you really wont get any where with this game.

Dexus wrote:

Get lots of songs and delete every difficulty except the hardest (and maybe the second hardest so you can use mods on them) in every song you download

Not really necessary, you can just search for specific limits like "stars>4"

I'm aware of the search function, but If you delete them then you're less likely to play them. Players tend to cave in and move to something way easier. I'm speaking from experience because I've been playing stuff way under what I should be playing for the past 3 or so years.

Dexus wrote:

I'm aware of the search function, but If you delete them then you're less likely to play them. Players tend to cave in and move to something way easier. I'm speaking from experience because I've been playing stuff way under what I should be playing for the past 3 or so years.

rule of thumb is to dt whatever you can fc

FlyingKebab wrote:

buny wrote:

In nearly every case, if you need to turn on no-fail then the map is too hard for you and you shouldn't even attempt it yet.

I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.

EDIT: I am more satisfied in passing a hard map than passing an easier map with good acc.

Anyways there is not point in discussing this any further tbh. It's the same thing over and over again.

whatever you did in a week like that you could have done better with proper training.

also, my post applies to a situation with harder maps, in the 6-7 stars since this is an out of the ordinary skill group and requires a lot more dedication. Jumping from 5 star to 6 star is a huge leap and people believe that they can only get there by mindlessly mashing and swinging their pen/mouse, when in reality it is a lot easier to gradually work your way up.

buny wrote:

also, my post applies to a situation with harder maps, in the 6-7 stars since this is an out of the ordinary skill group and requires a lot more dedication. Jumping from 5 star to 6 star is a huge leap and people believe that they can only get there by mindlessly mashing and swinging their pen/mouse, when in reality it is a lot easier to gradually work your way up.

Sometimes I feel like I'm mindlessly moving my mouse, but I kinda have a muscle memory for where things are and how much I have to move my mouse to get to it. If I consciously think of it though, I immediately start to fail.

Rewben2 wrote:

Uhh, yes it is. I've read multiple times people can't even tell the difference when aero is off/on. It's definitely not more than a minor improvement.

I recall a post from Dexus that placed Aero lag in the neighborhood of 10ms, which is not at all minor. Most people forget that Aero has no effect on fullscreen applications.

Narrill wrote:

Rewben2 wrote:

Uhh, yes it is. I've read multiple times people can't even tell the difference when aero is off/on. It's definitely not more than a minor improvement.

I recall a post from Dexus that placed Aero lag in the neighborhood of 10ms, which is not at all minor. Most people forget that Aero has no effect on fullscreen applications.

10ms is still 0.01 of a second, not a huge amount. You'd just adapt to playing with/without aero enabled if you had no idea. If you consider that not minor at all then alright, but people can't really tell the difference between the two. I don't think calling a factor where the difference between the two is seemingly not noticeable as a "bigger than minor problem".

I'd be surprised if anyone would actually be able to achieve better scores by disabling aero, although it's extremely hard to prove whether this is possible because if you turned aero off and then set a score it doesn't necessarily mean it had anything to do with aero.

Rewben2 wrote:

10ms is still 0.01 of a second, not a huge amount. You'd just adapt to playing with/without aero enabled if you had no idea. If you consider that not minor at all then alright, but people can't really tell the difference between the two. I don't think calling a factor where the difference between the two is seemingly not noticeable as a "bigger than minor problem". I'd be surprised if anyone would actually be able to achieve better scores by disabling aero.

there's other factors as well. You have input lag and then response time (total delay can be between 20ms and 100ms). That being said, aero won't do anything unless your computer is outdated by at least 5 years, in which case you shouldn't be running a modern OS anyways.

10ms is noticeable at a high level of play. I get that most people wouldn't notice a difference, but most people can barely play 5* maps.

Narrill wrote:

most people can barely play 5* maps.

i consider myself only a little above average at this game but jesus christ its frustrating when the last 10 people you meet irl who say they play osu can only pass 2-3 star maps with shit accuracy

Apink Chorong wrote:

Narrill wrote:

most people can barely play 5* maps.

i consider myself only a little above average at this game but jesus christ its frustrating when the last 10 people you meet irl who say they play osu can only pass 2-3 star maps with shit accuracy

I know the feel. I still feel like I'm shit at this game, and people just bring a new type of "bad" to the table. I think it's easy to get to the 3+ star maps within a few months. Tbh though, I still have shit accuracy. I regularly get 90-95% acc on most maps (4.3-4.8 star since that's usually what I play).

pretty sure most people can play 5 star maps, since i can and im pretty below average and overranked.
i mean damn, i have a friend who could do gigantic o.t.n [s.s] after 5k plays on his second month playing with decent 90% acc

There're hundreds of thousands of active accounts. Overranked or not, 9k isn't average.

Narrill wrote:

There're hundreds of thousands of active accounts. Overranked or not, 9k isn't average.

rank is fairly far removed from skill though, other than consistency

Riince wrote:

pretty sure most people can play 5 star maps, since i can and im pretty below average and overranked.
i mean damn, i have a friend who could do gigantic o.t.n [s.s] after 5k plays on his second month playing with decent 90% acc

That's some talent there. I can only do like 75% :< and I die horribly.

That depends entirely on what you consider "skill" to mean. I personally think pp is accurate to a very high degree, the only major flaws being disregard for map complexity and the inherent lag between a player's skill and their rank. It's rare for a substantially underranked player to not rapidly gain ranks until they aren't so severely underranked.

The secret to pass 5* songs is to sing like a tard while playing i got all my top scores while singing
trust me

I actually do that sometimes. Though it isn't really singing, more like humming the melody to the rhythm of the map.

i sometimes find myself stomping my feet like a madman while i play a map

Apink Chorong wrote:

i sometimes find myself stomping my feet like a madman while i play a map

i find that doing this kills my jumps

Honestly comparing players to noobs who just mash buttons and are good at jumps with tablet and fast manouvers ,etc. to people that already got brutal timing in clicking hand achieved through grinding some instrument at perfect timing is rather extremely discriminant and abusive and leads only to ignorance and destruction.

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