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I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.FlyingKebab wrote:
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:Woobowiz wrote:
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.JAKACHAN wrote:
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
I don't necessarily agree with this point, but I agree that using NF is not the way to improve.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
You'll be one of those guys who manage to do something with <80% accuracy and have everyone aknowledge that you passed the song but not in a "respect this guy" way. They'll be like "look at this masher".FlyingKebab wrote:
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.FlyingKebab wrote:
He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
People just get lazy so they just stick it in there so they feel like they did something.cheezstik wrote:
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.
Maybe because that's literally the only thing you can do to improve? You aren't going to improve by reading the forums or watching other people play, unlike a bunch of other games where there's actually strategies and things to be learned.cheezstik wrote:
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.
Well, yeah.B1rd wrote:
working hard doesn't mean you will get good. you have to play the right maps and have talent too.
Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.Rewben2 wrote:
Maybe because that's literally the only thing you can do to improve? You aren't going to improve by reading the forums or watching other people play, unlike a bunch of other games where there's actually strategies and things to be learned.cheezstik wrote:
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.
I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to itcheezstik wrote:
Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.
Yeah of course. Hate to admit it as well, but doing all this dirty DT farming which I found out about on the forums / reddit has indirectly improved me as well, I can't say my snapping and single tap speed haven't gotten better since I picked up DT, even though I initially started doing it for the easy pp.Rewben2 wrote:
I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to itcheezstik wrote:
Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.
the things that you can learn from the forums aren't just tricks, it's major stuff that can really help you out, and isn't otherwise intuitive.Rewben2 wrote:
I guess that's true, there are a few "advantageous" things you can learn like disabling aero, finding out about skins etc. but it still comes down to playing more, there's no tricks to itcheezstik wrote:
Well, I didn't even know you could use the keyboard to play osu, and didn't know about tablets, so there are still some things that reading / asking on the forums will help.
Most of it is intuitive though. All of the top players got there through playing the game a lot. I can safely say that some of the best didn't read up on the game much at all. You aren't going to read something that will magically improve your gameplay by a large amount, things like disabling aero and for some using a skin are slight advantages.B1rd wrote:
the things that you can learn from the forums aren't just tricks, it's major stuff that can really help you out, and isn't otherwise intuitive.
Does aero really make that much difference? How are people affording these $200 mechanical keyboards + tablets if their computer can't even run osu >_>.B1rd wrote:
disabling aero isn't minor. And getting a tablet and mech keyboard definitely isn't. Other stuff for example- don't NF spam maps and learn streams by practicing low bpm.
Uhh, yes it is. I've read multiple times people can't even tell the difference when aero is off/on. It's definitely not more than a minor improvement.B1rd wrote:
disabling aero isn't minor. And getting a tablet and mech keyboard definitely isn't. Other stuff for example- don't NF spam maps and learn streams by practicing low bpm.
I would hardly consider it improving if it's not an FC with at least 97 or 98% acc. Hell, even 96% acc means I mashed on at least one part of the song.FlyingKebab wrote:
I's like to add that every method wil work differently for each person. For example NF might not work for a majority but it works for some people. It's kind of a 50/50 thing. However gradual improvement works for the majority of people so it is accepted to be an undeniably working method.
No Failing is trying to obtain better reading and or motor skills faster than playing easier songs. No Fails goal is general skill and not accuracy directly, however if you go back to the maps you couldn't get more then lets say 90% because of difficulty then you will have an easier time reading the map because it will pale in difficulty in comparison to what had been playing for lets say a few weeks. And then as I mentioned, you will be able to hit the notes but you will need to fine tune your newly obtained aim so you actually hit them to the beat and etc. BUT you will still be hitting the things you couldn't hit. Practicing getting better accuracy on a song you know you can survive and hit all the notes albeit not perfectly is easier than practicing accuracy AND aim on a map you can't fully complete without too much stress and the likes.Woobowiz wrote:
I would hardly consider it improving if it's not an FC with at least 97 or 98% acc. Hell, even 96% acc means I mashed on at least one part of the song.FlyingKebab wrote:
I's like to add that every method wil work differently for each person. For example NF might not work for a majority but it works for some people. It's kind of a 50/50 thing. However gradual improvement works for the majority of people so it is accepted to be an undeniably working method.
I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.buny wrote:
In nearly every case, if you need to turn on no-fail then the map is too hard for you and you shouldn't even attempt it yet.
It will stop working in time. And even if you've noticed improvement of that sort, it's (subjectively) a vastly inferior training method that can get you into horribly bad habits. Which include Lazy Cursor and a Twitchy and Glitchy Cursor movement, over time it'll just fuck up your aim rather than improve it. I can imagine your cursor movements are already glitchyFlyingKebab wrote:
I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.
EDIT: I am more satisfied in passing a hard map than passing an easier map with good acc.
I know right, I can't imagine how people retry a map more than 3 times unless they get like ONE miss.Lightningtwilly wrote:
I guess as a final note: Don't grind. It puts your ranking way above your skill level. A good estimate is to not play the same map more than 2-3 times in a row, and personally, I've never played a specific beatmap more than 100 times.
Not really necessary, you can just search for specific limits like "stars>4"Dexus wrote:
Get lots of songs and delete every difficulty except the hardest (and maybe the second hardest so you can use mods on them) in every song you download
rule of thumb is to dt whatever you can fcDexus wrote:
I'm aware of the search function, but If you delete them then you're less likely to play them. Players tend to cave in and move to something way easier. I'm speaking from experience because I've been playing stuff way under what I should be playing for the past 3 or so years.
whatever you did in a week like that you could have done better with proper training.FlyingKebab wrote:
I couldn't play anything 3.5< stars then I NF'ed 4.5-4.8 for 1 week and i could with bad acc survive most 4.0 - 4.3 maps, now if i try hard enough i get 95%+ acc (without training for it) on those maps. Now I am NF'ing 4.9-5.6 stars so I would be able to do 4.5-5.0 without failing and in my personal case I will stop once I can not die till 5.5 to start perfecting my plays. I am rushing aim and reading in exchange for my accuracy and other stability things. BUT I will work on those once I can pass the limit I am aiming for.buny wrote:
In nearly every case, if you need to turn on no-fail then the map is too hard for you and you shouldn't even attempt it yet.
EDIT: I am more satisfied in passing a hard map than passing an easier map with good acc.
Anyways there is not point in discussing this any further tbh. It's the same thing over and over again.
Sometimes I feel like I'm mindlessly moving my mouse, but I kinda have a muscle memory for where things are and how much I have to move my mouse to get to it. If I consciously think of it though, I immediately start to fail.buny wrote:
also, my post applies to a situation with harder maps, in the 6-7 stars since this is an out of the ordinary skill group and requires a lot more dedication. Jumping from 5 star to 6 star is a huge leap and people believe that they can only get there by mindlessly mashing and swinging their pen/mouse, when in reality it is a lot easier to gradually work your way up.