I have been rank 35k for like a year now and i just don't get better =[
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Can someone be my osu coach?
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You just needa play the right maps, look at the top ranks of the people around you and a bit higher than you.
Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.
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But I feel it's the opposite... My current top PP play i got 6 months ago I can't even pass.NinjaNick wrote:
Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.
i bet ur not rly a ninjaNinjaNick wrote:
Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.
I tried playing more, it doesn't work.
play hard as shit stuff most of the time and then every so often try to get some PP to see if you improved. thats the best way. thats how i spiked so hard and replaced like all my top ranks 2 weeks ago. now im just going back to nofailing/playing stuff i barely pass and then in another month or so im gonna spike again
Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.
Then those players are out of luck, plain and simple. It isn't that "play more" is the easiest answer, it's that it's the only answer. osu! is a very simple game.
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So I should give upB1rd wrote:
Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.
?Try play long duration enjoying song like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/36319 with NF is possible. Blank your mind while playing, dont let miss motivate you to retry. Play song until it finished
That means you're worse than you were before and you don't deserve a better rank.Nyoko wrote:
But I feel it's the opposite... My current top PP play i got 6 months ago I can't even pass.NinjaNick wrote:
Tips coming from the Ninja. Don't play easy maps to get PP, challenge yourself. PP doesn't always show how good you are. Overtime you will get better.
Your play history shows that you put nearly no effort into improving, so suck it up and accept that you aren't half as good as you were expecting yourself to be.
Yes.Nyoko wrote:
So I should give up
At least, if random people you just met on the Internet telling you to stop is enough to convince you, then yes, you should.
Maybe you're old and crap like me. *hugs*Nyoko wrote:
I have been rank 35k for like a year now and i just don't get better =[
Edit: the game has become a lot more competitive in the last two or so years too. You are improving if your rank's staying the same.
Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.
I'll be your coach. Just let me stay at your house and eat all your food and I'll teach you everything I know about osu.
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.FlyingKebab wrote:
Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:Woobowiz wrote:
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.
And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.JAKACHAN wrote:
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
NF shouldn't be shunned, but it shouldn't be the first goto choice for practice. Only use NF if you the song you're trying to pass has a choke point. That way you will eventually iron out the wrinkles. But absolutely do not use NF on songs that you will flat line or you won't improve in anyway and you might actually develop bad habits and get worse.FlyingKebab wrote:
'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
Err.. I mean't NF something that you can at least get 65-70% + acc, NF'ing Big Black wont or at least shouldn't give you anything. But 65-70% range songs will give you good challenge that you will eventually overcome.KukiMonster wrote:
NF shouldn't be shunned, but it shouldn't be the first goto choice for practice. Only use NF if you the song you're trying to pass has a choke point. That way you will eventually iron out the wrinkles. But absolutely do not use NF on songs that you will flat line or you won't improve in anyway and you might actually develop bad habits and get worse.
65-70% is mashing range though, 80-90% would be better
i ain't gonna fc this shit anytime soon
i ain't gonna fc this shit anytime soon
Let me summarize this topic
Jakachan plays a musical instrument.FlyingKebab wrote:
I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
You need to learn rhythm to learn the game. If you have good rhythm, NF could work. If you don't, go gradual.
Mashing is just that, absence of rhythm.
Nyoko wrote:
So I should give upB1rd wrote:
Some people just don't have any talent, and no amount of stickied threads or playing more will make them better than the players who play a lot and have talent.
you're more talented than meNyoko wrote:
I haev dedcided to give up ;c
if you give up you're wasting all of your talent
The infuriating fact is that you have ZERO proof for that statement, please don't pull facts out of your ass, or at least don't make them widely out of context. They didn't use NF until they were Top 100, maybe when they were 60k like everyone else.FlyingKebab wrote:
There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better
65-70% is horrible and just mashing 99% of the time.FlyingKebab wrote:
Err.. I mean't NF something that you can at least get 65-70% + acc, NF'ing Big Black wont or at least shouldn't give you anything. But 65-70% range songs will give you good challenge that you will eventually overcome.
There's ZERO challenge in a map you can't remotely play well with at all. At least provide a realistic 80-90% accuracy scenario for challenging maps, at that point you're actually getting something out of it.
65-70% accuracy with NF mod is close to worthless in terms of what you can gain from a map, unless it's a stream practice map.
if you give up you will never be good.
it helps so much to have a fundamental understanding of how beats and metric structure workRaneFire wrote:
You need to learn rhythm to learn the game
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. You won't get better by repeatedly doing something wrong.FlyingKebab wrote:
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:Woobowiz wrote:
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.JAKACHAN wrote:
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
two weeks ago i couldn't even get 30% accuracy on eighto and i couldn't even see the circles in time. After playing it for like 300 times, now i get 70% and i am able to play ar9.6 (could barely play ar9) thanks to eighto and i started practicint ar10 now, since one of my goals is to pass airman, nomodWoobowiz wrote:
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.FlyingKebab wrote:
Put NF on and spam 5 star maps for a week, come back to your previous difficult maps too see how much you have improved, if you didn't FC on your first try then that's another week of NF, trust me this is the fastest way of improving. But you will need to fine tune some Things later since you will have rushed good reading and aim.
(and yes i have memorized the beatmap, so what? My aim has improved drastically and my rank skyrocketed in the past 3 days, gained like 150pp. Insane...)
The difference between 30% acc and 70% acc after 2 weeks of playing a map is nothing compared to the difference between 70% acc and 90%+ acc. Mashing is still mashing, going from 30% to 70% just means you hit more notes, it doesn't really prove much besides you can now react to that specific map with AR 10.MiloSx7 wrote:
two weeks ago i couldn't even get 30% accuracy on eighto and i couldn't even see the circles in time. After playing it for like 300 times, now i get 70% and i am able to play ar9.6 (could barely play ar9) thanks to eighto and i started practicint ar10 now, since one of my goals is to pass airman, nomod
(and yes i have memorized the beatmap, so what? My aim has improved drastically and my rank skyrocketed in the past 3 days, gained like 150pp. Insane...)
And I don't mean to be condescending, but.....an average gain of 50 pp at that rank isn't extraordinary, in fact it is ordinary, regardless of what map you "practiced" on. In fact, not too long ago when I was at that range, it was common to suddenly spike 100-150 pp in a single day.
But if you insist this is the way for you to "improve", you could try out Existence instead of Eighto, see you at the 4 digit rankings :^)
eighto is easy to read hard to keep up with
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.FlyingKebab wrote:
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF and then I will have the privilege of writing: They said I was wrong, well it seems they were wrong themselves. There are people in the top hundreds that used this method to get better:Woobowiz wrote:
That's horrible advice and will teach him nothing but how to mash through a 5-star map with NF mod. A better method than yours is to cycle between maps he can A/B-rank consistently. Then turn down the difficulty just a little and go for FCs.And I don't remember a few misses with a B as in a map you can barely pass. A barely passable map is the one you actually BARELY survive.JAKACHAN wrote:
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
I'm not saying that the gradual method is bad in any way, but you shouldn't shun the NF method as useless either.
I don't necessarily agree with this point, but I agree that using NF is not the way to improve.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
Also, off topic, but holy shit, the third electrician guy just came to my place, and now I actually have internet. Is this reality?
He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
You'll be one of those guys who manage to do something with <80% accuracy and have everyone aknowledge that you passed the song but not in a "respect this guy" way. They'll be like "look at this masher".FlyingKebab wrote:
I swear in one year I will be one of the guys that manages something with NF
Hi,
I'm a relatively new player and very inexperienced compared to most of you. Even so, I believe I can contribute to this thread. I'd like to say that I believe there's more than one way to skin a cat. As someone who has been and still is fairly consistent in improving almost everyday most of my plays have been repeat after repeat on maps I can't/couldn't clear for the purpose of playing at the edge of my abilites. I also find several maps that I believe I can FC, add them to a list and practice them several times until they are done => remove from list and add new ones. Then there's a lot of reflection going on, how do I approach these patterns? Do I generally press too late/early? Should I try pressing my keys at a different angle? I don't believe mindlessly playing more and more is a way to approach the matter of improvement. This has been demonstrated time after time in several other games/sports. People with insane amount of time played can range from pro's to beginner level. Talent aside, I think it's mostly about how you approach things in general that will determine if you perform well.
I'm a relatively new player and very inexperienced compared to most of you. Even so, I believe I can contribute to this thread. I'd like to say that I believe there's more than one way to skin a cat. As someone who has been and still is fairly consistent in improving almost everyday most of my plays have been repeat after repeat on maps I can't/couldn't clear for the purpose of playing at the edge of my abilites. I also find several maps that I believe I can FC, add them to a list and practice them several times until they are done => remove from list and add new ones. Then there's a lot of reflection going on, how do I approach these patterns? Do I generally press too late/early? Should I try pressing my keys at a different angle? I don't believe mindlessly playing more and more is a way to approach the matter of improvement. This has been demonstrated time after time in several other games/sports. People with insane amount of time played can range from pro's to beginner level. Talent aside, I think it's mostly about how you approach things in general that will determine if you perform well.
i dont think nf is useless, but you should use it sparingly. Using it too often on maps (especially jump maps) that you can barely get a 80%+ on can screw up ur aim. However I think its good to do it once in a while and alternating between practice and NFing the hard ones (95% practice, 5% NF) and how you practice is really up to yourself. I think challenging yourself is the best way to improve and watching ur own replays to see what skill you need to work on.
NF should really only be used if you're reading the map alright but struggling with high-drain. NFing maps you can't read or play will only pay off if you're able to figure out the maps without memorizing them simply by exposure, and that takes monstrous reading potential.
And now you're lying to yourself. Or you're just attention
Most likely the latter.
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.FlyingKebab wrote:
He has 32K plays in 6 months what do you expect? However Playing is still the way you get better at anything.cheezstik wrote:
I'm sure woobowiz knows what's up when it comes to the fastest way of improving. I mean, you can tell us to trust you all you want, but achieving 2k In 6 months really kinda makes woobowiz more credible when it comes to this topic.
People just get lazy so they just stick it in there so they feel like they did something.cheezstik wrote:
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.
In this particular instance FlyingKebab is correct. Woobsie's done good work, but he's had to work hard for it.
working hard doesn't mean you will get good. you have to play the right maps and have talent too.
Maybe because that's literally the only thing you can do to improve? You aren't going to improve by reading the forums or watching other people play, unlike a bunch of other games where there's actually strategies and things to be learned.cheezstik wrote:
"Play more." - Every advice giver in every Gameplay & Rankings thread ever.
Well, yeah.B1rd wrote:
working hard doesn't mean you will get good. you have to play the right maps and have talent too.