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Lybydose
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It happens with any map in which objects are placed at the highest grid level. The life bar itself doesn't overlap circles much, but the shadow is a bit more annoying. Approach circles are especially difficult to see sometimes. Stacked notes (even if they are just 2-3) are much worse, and I've seen it from some ranked maps, but I can't remember any off-hand. Here are some examples:

Emerald Sword:

http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot010-13.png with default
http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot011-12.png with Touhou

Test map I made just to put objects at the top:

http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot009-9.png default
http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot008-14.png Touhou
Cyclone
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I would just like to point out how obscured they are in the editor in the first place. Generally speaking if it's hard to see the note in the editor, there might be issues during gameplay. These notes should be brought up during modding, though it's easy to forget sometimes.

http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot247.png
Cyclone
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I need the opinions of the people who use this skin. I've made a menu-button-background.png and i need to know how you all feel about it.

Nachy
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So far I'm really liking it, looks really nice, hit circles are awesome, spinner looks really pretty, the new menu button BG looks pretty neat and fits really well with the rest of the skin, and sounds are win. I suggest for the hit 300s, 100s and 50s in a bit of the style of the XiStyle skin, I tried experimenting with it and it kind of fits, also the SWR weather names seems to be a great fit to some contexts of it, I suggest try experimenting on it also.
SuzumiyaKyon
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The bar's a good fit. Suits the skin really well! Now all we need are hit markers and rankings and it's golden!
Gabi
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i was just wondering. does anyone ever experience lag spikes sometimes when combobursts haven't been loaded for quite a while? it might just be my shit computer, but sometimes when i play and comboburst pops up, i lagg-

also only 4 combobursts work, the rest wont show :S
Cyclone
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I've never had any issues loading any of them. I keep them all in mine here to make sure they all work right. I did specifically say in the OP I encourage people to remove some though.
Nachy
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I have all the comboburst available and they show up and no lag either on my side.
I also added Meiling on my mine, although I only got it from the wiki and it's kind of blurry, can I request a better version too Cyclone?
Cyclone
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I can't seem to find anything better than a 300x300 picture, though i did the best i could with it.

http://up.ppy.sh/files/comboburst-hong.png
Nachy
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Thanks Cyclone. ^^
Metruzero
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I really like how this map looks so far. although maybe you could add a spinner approach circle to make it look more awesome. Please add some pics for ranks as well as for when you hit the notes. And since you added special menu buttons for mods and random and ect. maybe you can icons for the individual mods. The the slider ball looks a little wierd spinning that fast, I've never played the game so idk if that's relative to it.
Soaprman
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I made a higher quality version of that China comboburst.

http://up.ppy.sh/files/comboburst-hong-0.png

What else do you plan to skin for this, if anything? It's a very nice skin.
Sondow_old
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This skin is the epitome of epic Touhoudry. That's a word, I just made it up now.

Though I must ask, Cyclone, where did you get the combobursts from?
Gabi
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someone posted this on my topic. i dont know if its correct or not.

tfxllvna wrote:

(Conversely, This sentence will be seen strange English ...my English is poor. >:( )
Because Japanese used for the menu etc. is a little unnatural, I proposes to change it as follows.

-Quit and Return to Title
current ”やめて、選択るために戻ってください"
amended ”タイトルに戻る"
-Return to Game
current "戻り、ゲームに"
amended "ゲームに戻る"
-Retry this Game
current "リトライこのゲーム"
amended "ゲームをリトライ"
-GAME OVER
current "向こうへの　ゲーム、"
amended "ゲーム オーバー"

(Is the character correctly displayed?)
Cyclone
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If i can get confirmation on that, i'll make the necessary arrangements to have them changed.

And as far as my progress on this skin, it came to a halt when my computer went out. It'll still be some time before i can get a new one too.
Soaprman
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might as well make these too! (Cyclone, I hope you don't mind me butting in and doing this!)

http://thedailypos.org/images2/comboburst-cirno.png
http://thedailypos.org/images2/comboburst-sanae.png
http://thedailypos.org/images2/comboburst-suwako.png
http://thedailypos.org/images2/comboburst-utsuho.png
Cyclone
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Not at all, much appreciated. 1 question though. Are the 12.3 pictures for china any different than the IaMP pictures? If so could you make one for that too?
Soaprman
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Oh yeah, they did give her a new "default" portrait. Here you go!

http://thedailypos.org/images2/comboburst-china123.png
Nachy
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Do you think this color is more visible on spinners?

Cyclone
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oh, do you think you can recolor the cursor trail while you're at it? I'll try it out a bit if i can get that. Much appreciated.
Nachy
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Sure thing.

Hopefully I got it right by now without any spots and stuff.



Gabi
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only add that to the skin so you can choose yourself what cursor you want. the blue is way to awesome :3
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Lybydose
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I made a "better" Okuu comboburst. The one posted by Soaprman is cut off on the right side, and looks kinda bad during play. This one fades to transparent and looks better in osu!

SPOILER

The Sanae one MIGHT be a problem too, but I haven't personally tested it.

I actually made 10 UNL style combobursts and uploaded them here if you or anyone else cares. Most of them are just alternates of characters already included, but it does have Sanae, Suwako, and Okuu.
Jinxy
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Bumping skin thread.
Also, mod icons:

Easy - Cirno
No Fail - Mokou
Half Time - Sakuya
Hard Rock - Remilia
Sudden Death - Yuyuko
Double Time - Youmu
Auto - ?
Auto Pilot - Reimu
Relax - Suika
No Video - Aya
Spun Out - Chen/Hina

Blanks are because I forgot what Cyc said on irc. :o
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Randy96
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Lybydose wrote:

I made a "better" Okuu comboburst. The one posted by Soaprman is cut off on the right side, and looks kinda bad during play. This one fades to transparent and looks better in osu!

SPOILER
[attachment=0:9b671]comboburst-okuu.png[/attachment:9b671]

The Sanae one MIGHT be a problem too, but I haven't personally tested it.

I actually made 10 UNL style combobursts and uploaded them here if you or anyone else cares. Most of them are just alternates of characters already included, but it does have Sanae, Suwako, and Okuu.
Max combo burst width is 500px.
Lybydose
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Randy96 wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

I made a "better" Okuu comboburst. The one posted by Soaprman is cut off on the right side, and looks kinda bad during play. This one fades to transparent and looks better in osu!

SPOILER
[attachment=0:d4a24]comboburst-okuu.png[/attachment:d4a24]

The Sanae one MIGHT be a problem too, but I haven't personally tested it.

I actually made 10 UNL style combobursts and uploaded them here if you or anyone else cares. Most of them are just alternates of characters already included, but it does have Sanae, Suwako, and Okuu.
Max combo burst width is 500px.
Max combo burst width is whatever you want outside of ranked maps.
Cyclone
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JInxyjem wrote:

Bumping skin thread.
Also, mod icons:

Easy - Cirno
No Fail - Mokou
Half Time - Sakuya
Hard Rock - Remilia
Sudden Death - Yuyuko
Double Time - Youmu
Auto - ?
Auto Pilot - Reimu
Relax - Suika
No Video - Aya
Spun Out - Chen/Hina

Blanks are because I forgot what Cyc said on irc. :o

How about i make some generic temporary ones? Just for the record i tried to line them up according to the mod screen, but i didn't actually look at it. Some might be off in comparison

Jinxy
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lolwut.

I wasn't expecting Walfas.
Cyclone
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I said temporary, and i want consistency
Lybydose
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You could always go for the SWR style character portraits and fill in the others with the art by that one guy who made all the SWR style portraits.

Examples. I cut these out in about 3 seconds just to show off what I mean; they are obviously not finished products:

SPOILER

Also I couldn't find one for Chen, but there is a Hina and Ran.




Nachy
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I'm kind of thinking Aya is more appropriate on being the Double Time icon since she's the fastest in Gensokyo even though of Youmu's 200 Yojana in One Slash that can circle the earth in half an hour, but whatever.
Randy96
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Bestelle
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Relax picture right here, Cyclone.

Aw yeah.
Nachy
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I've tried to gather up character art with the most similar art style to each other as much as possible, just tell me if you want me to find something else for any of the characters.

SPOILER












also what do you think of Nitori being Auto?
Cyclone
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Cyclone
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Bestelle
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Much better, duder. I like it.
/me continues to look for pictures
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Tyty210
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Well, what about using the ZUNart for the mod icons? The art would all be consistent with itself.

That's what I was gonna do way back when I was gonna make a Touhou skin. :P
Cyclone
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It won't be consistant, actually. Artwork varies slightly game to game. There are 13 mods to cover. That means 13 characters.

Also, no suika art.
YGOkid8
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Even though I never played any Touhou games, skin looks great on the thread :)

I dunno if it's just me, but the download link isn't working :cry:. So is it just me, or not?

EDIT: It was just me. Download's working fine :D
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Tyty210
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Cyclone wrote:

It won't be consistant, actually. Artwork varies slightly game to game. There are 13 mods to cover. That means 13 characters.

Also, no suika art.
Ah right, forgot about that. It's been a while since I played a Touhou game, computer problems.

And there is Suika art, as ZUN drew out a design for Suika...

Here it is.
nomedeusuarionaodisp
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Cyclone wrote:

It won't be consistant, actually. Artwork varies slightly game to game. There are 13 mods to cover. That means 13 characters.

Also, no suika art.
How about the sprites, then? The difference in their style from game to game is a bit less, uh... different than the portraits.
And everyone (apart from Tenshi and Iku) has a sprite.
Tyty210
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nomedeusuarionaodisp wrote:

Cyclone wrote:

It won't be consistant, actually. Artwork varies slightly game to game. There are 13 mods to cover. That means 13 characters.

Also, no suika art.
How about the sprites, then? The difference in their style from game to game is a bit less, uh... different than the portraits.
And everyone (apart from Tenshi and Iku) has a sprite.
Actually, the sprites are shrunken versions of the full images. It is rather hard to tell the difference after they're shrunk though.
thepianist
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Cyclone wrote:

After feedback, somebody said it was too pixelated, so let try this one.
May I use the "lighting.png" for my map if I credit it to you, Cyclone?
Cyclone
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sure, but make sure i mod it.
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Went ahead and uploaded a new version since I need to transfer over to a different computer. Just a few minor changes. Can be found in the opening post.
Sanae
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Hi Cyclone and all.
Touhou Skin is so Cool ;)
I'm allowed to use it welcome.

I converted it into Japanese that seemed to be correct.
Please use it when it is good.

-----------------
Re Attached 22 Feb 2010 7:39 AM (JST)





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Cyclone
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Oh, wow, thanks a lot!

Actually i have one request. Can you remake them to have the English text layer on top of the Japanese? Also can you fix pause-continue.png to the right edge does not have a hard right edge? You can see it cut off here: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4006

EDIT: Also, apparently the Japanese text in fail-background.png needs to be fixed as well. Do you think you could make another one that looks similar to the one i already use? If not, don't worry about it.
Sanae
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Cyclone wrote:

Actually i have one request. Can you remake them to have the English text layer on top of the Japanese? Also can you fix pause-continue.png to the right edge does not have a hard right edge? You can see it cut off here: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4006
i remake these image files.
1. english layer to move top.
2. fixed pause-continue.png.

re-attached images. see ahead post.
Cyclone
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These are wonderful. Thanks a lot for the help!
Sanae
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Moreover, It made without permission.
i modeled looks to some degree, because had not had the font.






Cyclone
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These are also really good. Thanks a lot.
Yingwu
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Is it possible to release an update where the click sound is a little bit quieter?

They are way louder then the rest of the sounds and music, that loud and high that it's annoying when i'm using my Ultimate Ears - MetroFi 220
Dotsu
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Dotsu
Can I use you skin for my map?I will write your name on my map!
perikung
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perikung
Thank you

Touhou 10.5/12.3

very cute :lol:
Ohrami
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I don't have any qualms with this skin other than the volume for the menu sounds. They seem to be over twice of what they are when I play actual Touhou games and just, well... too loud.
Cyclone
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An update.

Touhou 0.4
-Updated version from 0.3 to 0.4. This is important!
-Slightly reduced image size of combobursts. Only slightly though, as I do not want to make them midgets.
-Reduced image size of scorebar-colour.png and scorebar-bg.png.
-Alternate scorebar-colour.png (scorebar-colour-ALTERNATE).png included for those who do not like how I make the scorebar. Rename to use.(I make it so that if does not appear to be draining until you've lost a bit of life.)
-Added a missing pixel to star.png. That was annoying to look at!
-Lowered all menu sounds by 1.5 dB. I hope that will cover all the complaint I've had about those.
-Thanks to Sanae: ranking-back, ranking-replay, ranking-retry, pause-back, pause-continue, pause-retry. All should have correct Japanese now.
-Removed GAME OVER. It was a bit much.

http://up.ppy.sh/files/touhou0.4.rar

I'm still really bad at remembering to package the FOLDER and not everything single file. Extract to a folder.
Rokodo
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You know, I just downloaded this today. Awesome skin brah. Would be nice if it had some custom hitbursts, though.
Cyclone
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I agree they need them. The problem is "what should they be?" I've thought long and hard about this and have yet come up with something i'm happy with.
Rokodo
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I was thinking some form of shooting bullets out from the center. That seems the most obvious choice.
Cyclone
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See: Lighting.png
LuigiHann
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Cyclone wrote:

See: Lighting.png
Make hitbursts that complement that. See Taiko skin
Cyclone
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I'll play around with a few ideas.

I need a good font. Anybody have any suggestions? Something that would be fitting for touhou.
LuigiHann
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I used Mistral when I was doing the Touhousu stuff.
Kitsunemimi
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THSpacial.ttf!!
Aqua
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I tried to rework the "Select"-things. I choosed the style from "menu-button-background"

Texts are from Page 1/2. Hope you like it

Download: touhou SELECTS.rar
Kitsunemimi
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This skin needs 'Catch the Bullet' for CtB.
oqkakil3zqo
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thanks = = will it!!
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Approved
YGOkid8
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Katsuri wrote:

Approved
please don't joke around and carelessly use the icons like that... as you can see, it changed the icon for the first post......
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YGOkid8 wrote:

Katsuri wrote:

Approved
please don't joke around and carelessly use the icons like that... as you can see, it changed the icon for the first post......
It's in the skinning subsection. I don't see how the joke is harmful in any way whatsoever.

It's not like there's a skinning approval team for osume.
Cyclone
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We must form this team.

It will include Luigi, peppy, Xiao, and anybody those 3 feel are worthy.
YGOkid8
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Xiao wrote:

It's in the skinning subsection. I don't see how the joke is harmful in any way whatsoever.

It's not like there's a skinning approval team for osume.
from memory, approved skins are shown approved with the approved icon.
and approved skins are then put into osume. that's how those other skins made the osume (though that was AGES ago, so i don't know about now).

if it's just me being overly silly then i'm sorry~
kuma-deluxe
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Wow, now that's what i call Awesome to the extreme :) (even though i'm a person nobody knows, i would like to comment :/ )
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Cyclone wrote:

We must form this team.

It will include Luigi, peppy, Xiao, and anybody those 3 feel are worthy.
No one is worthy




Least of all me
anthonyyy0
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The use of the sounds on the menus and when you lose is very creative.
My1_old
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please make an .osk of the skin or zip coz not every one has winrar or what the hell ever
with osk it is much easier coz one dubleclick on it and it will extract itself into osu!).
My1_old
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could I use the coursor for an own skin please???
Hyacine
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ofc you can without asking tho~
Cyclone
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You can as long as you don't distribute it.
AlefSol
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cool skin guys :D
animeloverxX93
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How can I install the skin,I started playing Osu! a few days ago. :)
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t/3580

Read your stickies. They're good for you.
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SO AWESOME skin. °ç°
Accelerator-kun
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Nice.
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Cyclone wrote:

*Download at end of post*



Two Three things I should note.

1. The cursor can be hard to see with shader effects enabled during spinners.
2. I've used 7 combobursts. They are all larger than the current ranking guidelines allow. If this lags you up, please remove them. The 7 combobursts are characters featured in PCB. (playables, alice, youmu, yuyuko, and yukari)
3. Not everything in here is final. I have placed a couple things in here while I wait for replacements.

All suggestions and feedback would be nice.

[attachment=0:ce7f7]screenshot210.jpg[/attachment:ce7f7]
Thanks to:
-dumpsterdiver
-Aqua92
-Sanae

UPDATE: Version 0.2
- Combobreak.wav added
- Countdown changed to feature the Prismriver Sisters (Hey Zerostarry, you can get that map approved now)
- Selection-random changed
- Couple comboburst changes

UPDATE: Version 0.3
- Changed star2.png.
- Using fewer combobursts. Additional Combobursts will be available as a separate download.
- lighting.png added.
- menu-button-background.png added. (At least i don't think it was in 0.2)
- SongSelectActiveText: 255,215,0 (Highlighted song displays goldish colored text.)

UPDATE: Version 0.4
-Slightly reduced image size of combobursts.
-Reduced image size of scorebar-colour.png and scorebar-bg.png.
-Alternate scorebar-colour.png (scorebar-colour-ALTERNATE).png included for those who do not like how I make the scorebar.
-Added a missing pixel to star.png.
-Lowered all menu sounds by 1.5 dB.
-Thanks to Sanae: ranking-back, ranking-replay, ranking-retry, pause-back, pause-continue, pause-retry. All should have correct Japanese now.
-Removed GAME OVER.

Download here: (Warning: Create a new folder to extract to.)
http://up.ppy.sh/files/touhou0.4.rar

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Nyanilated
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Nice
Alarido
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Alarido
So amazing ;)

Would be great if you could add Remilia Scarlet and Shikieiki Yamaxanadu as combobursts too :s
Cyclone
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That would be easy to do actually. It's late now, but I can get you those files at a later time.
ZZed_old
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thank u!
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Wow, this is the best Touhou skin I can find! This really goes great with my majority of Touhou (and Pokemon..) maps! However I would like some different combobursts.....
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