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Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

BrokenArrow wrote:

What if I told you that ranged champions always had a poke advantage over melee champs? That has always been the case and is not a problem, you simply can't always win lane. I'm honestly just happy to see some new old champions back in the top lane again.

I agree on Ryze being a bit too strong right now tho.
That's not the problem because if it was then why ever play a melee champion? The problem is there isn't really a trade off for those champions being ranged when you compare them to other ranged stuff like Sivir for example. If stuff like Ryze, Jayce, and Kennen become the go top laners again it will make that role even more stale when it comes to champion variety. At least the tanks had niche counters.

This is all early speculation. Kennen and Jayce have to break through Dorans shield to stick, but that isn't the case with Ryze.

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
You can't really compare Gragas to the standard melee when his lowest ranged ability is 600 while being relatively tanky and safe in lane. If I could clear minion waves with Warwick and Trundle with 950 range this wouldn't be an issue. Gragas is a pretty severe issue right now and that's why he is getting reworked.

I never siad they didn't but the lack of tradeoffs for being ranged (on certain champions) is the issue here. This is NOT a ranged is better than melee discussion since what I'm talking about only applies to maybe 3-5 champions in the game.

With that aside I don't understand why gragas isn't played top more. It's just as crazy as Ryze if not worse.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Gragas has free sustain whenever he casts a spell AND he takes less damage when his W is active, other melees don't have that. Also he can easily farm waves with his barrels, obviously he doesn't have trouble laning against ranged champions...

Justykanna wrote:

I love hearing all the people that think they do have the advantage being ranged vs a melee.
being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off
Hakeru
2,360 posts
Joined May 2010
Hakeru
Division jump OP :/

on my way to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

SPOILER
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Glass wrote:

being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off
I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Justykanna wrote:

I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-
It's literally like 4 champions that we are talking about. Ryze being the biggest offender out of them all.
No one is complaining that all ranged > melee. If it came off that way I'm sorry.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
meh ryze still has plenty of bad matchups

nidalee, orianna, lulu, vlad and mordekaiser all shit on ryze
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
Depending on the matchup, but normally ranged do have advantage over melee, if you don't know how to make the best out of that advantage it's another thing
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph
itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
No one said the lane was unwinnable as melee either.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

Zeraph wrote:

itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining
Professional players play melee against him all the time? he literally hasn't been played at all until the last week of LCS, and when he was finally played he shat all over strong tops like Renekton and Mundo. The ONE team that played Ryze top in LCS so far was CLG, and what happens after they pick him; teams that play against CLG started banning Ryze every game. Yeah pro players sure play melee against him all the time

inb4 JUST PLAY 5MAN NORMALS AND CAMP TOP :^)))))))
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too and teams never had a problem with it.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina
Ryze would've been played a lot more but he is permanently banned against Flame and Shy.
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

Kanye West wrote:

he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too
No? He was picked ONCE in OGN since his buffs by Jin Air Green Wings (literally 0-4 team). The patch hit recently but I guarantee he'll be pick/ban for a lot of teams soon once they get more practiced with him.

Kanye West wrote:

and teams never had a problem with it.
Obviously they didn't have problems with it considering the only time he's been picked is by the last place team. That would be equivalent of saying Elise isn't retarded strong because XDG loses with her. Ryze has been banned every single game against Blaze and Frost.
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
wow!! i love freelo! ryze top main now!!
Aldwych
2,831 posts
Joined February 2012
Aldwych

Graciee wrote:

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/
I approve, he is a life bag with nuking abilities
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow

TKiller wrote:

I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.
Basically the opposite of me.. I've lost like 16 out of my last 20 rankeds and dropped almost 2 divisions in the last week. Funny thing is how I won my lane pretty much every single fucking time, roamed and tried to get other lanes ahead but every time lategame someone decides to be a horrible retarded fucker and throws the game.

..and then I discovered Ziggs. Damn, Ziggs feels good.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan

tyrael6192 wrote:

just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
I've seen sivirs spellshield EVERY SINGLE thresh hook / blitz grab I've landed. Might be this? oO
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Scripting has been a thing for years now it's just more common to run into now. Riot does nothing about it and has never really acknowledged it actually existing. 3pp's like curse voice are starting to become a thing now too.

It's really sad.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
i am getting tired of playing 'solo' Q alone i am looking for people to duo with , yes i know there is a osu! chatroom where i can ask , but that chatroom is dead so i am asking it over here so please add me on the euw server ign: SoG Tava thanks in advance
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Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken

Jordan wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
I've seen sivirs spellshield EVERY SINGLE thresh hook / blitz grab I've landed. Might be this? oO
However they might just be that good. o.o

SoG Tava wrote:

i am getting tired of playing 'solo' Q alone i am looking for people to duo with , yes i know there is a osu! chatroom where i can ask , but that chatroom is dead so i am asking it over here so please add me on the euw server ign: SoG Tava thanks in advance
I could play with you on weekends I guess.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192

Blaziken wrote:

However they might just be that good. o.o
f i z i k
154 posts
Joined January 2013
f i z i k
bot of legends has been around forever and it also doesnt really matter as this game is less about mechanics anyways so who cares,you get people who use that shit once in a lifetime
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
yeah i've seen a cass bot like twice in the 2 years i've been playing

still, i'm pretty disappointed. for some naive reason i thought league would be free of this
Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken

tyrael6192 wrote:

Blaziken wrote:

However they might just be that good. o.o
For fuck sake I really wanted for this to not be a thing.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I'd actually welcome being able to lane against a machine.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina

Vulf wrote:

Scripting has been a thing for years now it's just more common to run into now. Riot does nothing about it and has never really acknowledged it actually existing.
There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Sankaritarina wrote:

There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Source? I have heard no such thing ever happening en masse. Only thing I've heard is people getting false banned for mouse macros, but that was like 4 years ago.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina

Vulf wrote:

Sankaritarina wrote:

There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Source? I have heard no such thing ever happening en masse. Only thing I've heard is people getting false banned for mouse macros, but that was like 4 years ago.
I'm gonna try to find a link but I'm not sure if the entire thread on reddit got removed.

People are still getting false banned for mouse macros, it happened to Wingofdeathx on his stream recently. xD
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
By the way, latest patch made LoL stop recognising my F1 key which works just fine elsewhere.

I don't even know what could've caused this.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1


Ffs just kill me why me 2 junglers troll team all my team was raging and i was like calm down and play def but no they just keep flaming and dieing i getting realy tired of this bronze league i am in it for like 2years and every time i play with those kids ffs man come one i just dont get it how do i carry those games like thats impossible how can i carry a game 1vs5 every single time if you realy need to carry every single game 1vs5 well then i realy suck at this game and i might aswell stop playing it before i get insane
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I found bronze really easy if you jungle. Maybe you should try too.

Had games with afks and people just outright feeding and doing stupid shit but mostly won even those.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
sigh same thing again was 6/0 in lane with renekton and could easely 1vs2 the enemy top laner and jungler and even then my team always died 4vs 3 to to point that the enemy lb one shotted me and i coudent carry anny more sigh ...

TKiller wrote:

I found bronze really easy if you jungle. Maybe you should try too.
i tried jungle with wukong and pantheon but that doesent work i saw vids from trick2g where he says fuck your team in bronze get ahead and splitpush i do that but it just dont work honestly bronze = retards when i splitpush i tell my team every time not to fight just keep them bussy and play safe but yeah they never listen to me they say just play do your best and you will get out of bronze its been over 2years now and every game i do my verry best every single game , i always tell my team not to give up ect , i never flame (in game) but still i am in bronze, i just don't know what i am doing wrong
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
If it cheers you up, let me tell you Silver and Gold are exactly the same, if not worse.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

BrokenArrow wrote:

If it cheers you up, let me tell you Silver and Gold are exactly the same, if not worse.
Actually thats pretty depressing to hear
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I wouldn't say silver and gold are the same as bronze. Can't kinda put it into words at the moment, but I disagree.

If I had to name division tiers based on my own experience, it'd go like: Bronze - incompetence, Silver - ignorance, Gold - clumsiness, Platinum - hatred, mid-low Diamond - apathy.

I know I'm being very vague here, and there are blurred lines between divisions, but point stands.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1


See this happens when my team isent full retard then i can easely carry also i am 6/0 with nidalee in ranked maybe i should main her cause honestly i am doing a great job with her
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
well it's pretty hard not to
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
If you want to hard carry as a top laner you need to play something that can split push very well, snowballs, or take teleport and make plays. Half the time getting fed in that lane isn't good enough.

Jungle is definitely the best role if you want a lot of influence on your team.

or

Not being mean, but it's possible that bronze is your skill level. Also stop blaming your losses purely on your team. I suggest getting lolrecorder or baronreplays and watching your games to see what you can improve on.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
Well, like I was saying few days ago, some games you just can't win when your team drags you down so hard it's unbearable.

But in bronze specifically people struggle at closing games, I had some with enemy team having more than 30 kills lead and still won those stalling at some point.

Of course, it won't happen every time but in the big picture it should be possible in a plenty of matches that seem lost.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

I suggest getting lolrecorder or baronreplays and watching your games to see what you can improve on.
Does Lolrecorder work? I got it a patch or two ago and it kept making my game crash as the loading screen would try and load. =s
(I assume it works with any OS?)

TKiller wrote:

But in bronze specifically people struggle at closing games
I'd agree with this. Was in Bronze last season and I found that happened reasonably often. I'm in Silver and find teams still struggle with this (myself included).
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
Soloq likes to struggle with closing games in general, it's just that in bronze it's that much of an issue and you can prolong games almost indefinitely given you're better than opponents.
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX

BrokenArrow wrote:

If it cheers you up, let me tell you Silver and Gold are exactly the same, if not worse.
Platinum and Diamond are the same, while you climb the ladder you notice few differences like

Jungler ganking top min ~ 10:
Bronze: 2vs1 noob, come 1vs1
Silver: Useless jungler, always good one enemy team
Gold: My jungler doesn't help me so I afk top, gl team
Platinum: Other lanes can push safe because jungler it's top
Diamond: Let's do drake, it's free (unless your adc prefers farm and you tank the drake so much and just end up in a disaster)

More or less, even though I've been never in bronze, but I believe it's something like that
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Justykanna wrote:

Does Lolrecorder work? I got it a patch or two ago and it kept making my game crash as the loading screen would try and load. =s
(I assume it works with any OS?)
I stopped using lolrecorder around the time summoners rift got it's first VU. Wouldn't work half the time and would crash me if it decided to work, but one of my friends still uses it and he says he rarely has problems with it.

I use baronreplays and it has never given me any problems. Here is a link if anyone is interested http://ahri.tw/en/

Why doesn't league have their own replay system yet? The one on the PBE works fine. It's kinda sad that games like Smite have a good replay system before it's even out of beta. Meanwhile league...
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy
New varus skin! <3
He's so fun =w=
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph
>completely disregarding Ryze being used top in previous seasons of professional play and still teams not having that much trouble with him unless they were just outclassed as a team
also
>referring to NA LCS like it's any good at all.
my sides.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:oops:
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Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
They are finally nerfing lifesteal quints. Not sure why it took them so long.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass

Zeraph wrote:

>completely disregarding Ryze being used top in previous seasons of professional play and still teams not having that much trouble with him unless they were just outclassed as a team
also
>referring to NA LCS like it's any good at all.
my sides.
>implying previous seasons are any indication of current balance(read: CURRENT balance)
>LELELE DAE KR > EU > NA? XDDDDDDDDDDD
>mfw this moron still thinks competitive play applies to solo queue thus Ryze top is not ridiculous. LOL JUST 5MAN GANK RYZE AT 10 MINS LIKE SKT1K AND HE'S NOT AN ISSUE :^)

based retard
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
If I could play solo queue like pre-made 5's then I'd probably do it more often.
P r o m i s e s
P r o m i s e s

BRBP wrote:

Our Caitlyn started flaming everyone when we lost an inhib. We asked her why she was in top lane instead of helping us:
"I am farming, not looking at radar lol. Why don't you noobs ping if there is a teamfight?".

Silver is fun.
Unfortunately, I have the exact same problem.
Aoriki
778 posts
Joined February 2011
Aoriki

BRBP wrote:

Our Caitlyn started flaming everyone when we lost an inhib. We asked her why she was in top lane instead of helping us:
"I am farming, not looking at radar lol. Why don't you noobs ping if there is a teamfight?".
It's the same with any normal/rank game. You run into those people who just give up too quickly and with no hope in winning the game. Which causes them to lose for the rest of us. Hell, I've come cross those type of people in a normal and they just continue to feed since it's 'our fault' we're losing....
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
I don't know if you already saw this, but this video is awesome xd

TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Vulf wrote:

They are finally nerfing lifesteal quints. Not sure why it took them so long.
Gonna hurt me a bit. I use them a lot as whole 3 set.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

GeeNX wrote:

I don't know if you already saw this, but this video is awesome xd


hehe awsome #respect for the dude
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow


14 minutes game, magic pen wins games :D
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

TKiller wrote:

Gonna hurt me a bit. I use them a lot as whole 3 set.
They needed to be nerfed awhile back, but idk about now since they are no where near as big of a problem as they used to be. That would be like them deciding to nerf Mundo when he is already being phased out of top lane due to indirect nerfs.

I do like the rune changes for the most part though. Armor seals will still pretty much be the same since they buffed champions base armor by 4. Flat health seals might be worth picking up against certain lane matchups now.
Dumie
164 posts
Joined November 2011
Dumie
New patch, R.I.P. Kassadins :DDDD
P r o m i s e s
P r o m i s e s
Rune nerfs lol.
League of Late Game Tanks.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I just realised that 4 armor patch will break Ziggs.

Not like it's a major change, but it's more like a final nail.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Rune nerfs lol.
League of Late Game Tanks.
Running a full set of scaling seals both HP or Armor will still be dangerous in most matchups (1-2 junglers being the exception here). The flat HP seals are the real big change here. Nothing really changes with the flat armor seals since they +4'd everyones armor so you would still have the same total value as you do pre-nerf.

Now you can start mixing seals. I'm going to start running a mixture of both flat armor and flat HP seals. 3 flat hp seals almost equals a HP quint with the buff.

As of right now flat armor seals pretty much always beats every other seal in most matchups. I'm kinda glad riot is changing this just like they did with the flat MR glyphs back in season 2.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
i've found out i can easely carry with leona/thresh maybe i should consider maining support , also got to bronze 1 yesterday and i have 51 lp atm silver here i come :)

Aoriki
778 posts
Joined February 2011
Aoriki
So, reading up and was told about this as well that they are going to nerf the range on Pantheon's ult....Welp!
Cyclohexane
osu! Alumni
4,568 posts
Joined May 2009
Cyclohexane

TKiller wrote:

I wouldn't say silver and gold are the same as bronze. Can't kinda put it into words at the moment, but I disagree.

If I had to name division tiers based on my own experience, it'd go like: Bronze - incompetence, Silver - ignorance, Gold - clumsiness, Platinum - hatred, mid-low Diamond - apathy.

I know I'm being very vague here, and there are blurred lines between divisions, but point stands.
Isn't plat more like "Arrogance"? Every plat I know or have talk to is haughty as fuck because of their league and yet when I play normals with them, they have far better csing than me, but they make the stupidest decisions just because they think they're ahead and just better than their opponent which ends up in them getting killed in lane or ganked.

(Of course, you find arrogance in every league, it's mostly the players themselves who like to boast because "muh mechanics" and then make it sound like it's not their fault when they feed "I got countered man nothing I can do ff20" "champ so fucking broken tryhard pls" "but look at my stats I do all this damage though")

I don't know. I think staying humble takes you places in this game. There's definitely an impact on gameplay that comes from how you see the game, between "I wanna crush the enemy" and "I want to help my team and work on my mechanics" I think it's a whole different ball game IMO. Probably the reason why I don't play ranked, it probably gets to your head eventually.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Aoriki wrote:

I don't know. I think staying humble takes you places in this game. There's definitely an impact on gameplay that comes from how you see the game, between "I wanna crush the enemy" and "I want to help my team and work on my mechanics" I think it's a whole different ball game IMO. Probably the reason why I don't play ranked, it probably gets to your head eventually.
Aye i can agree i won like 8 ranked games in a row and i was like omg i am a fucking god gonna own those bronze/silver noobs easy gg , now i already lost like 4 games in a row xD
Nofool
Elite Mapper
1,108 posts
Joined February 2011
Nofool

Mr Color wrote:

Isn't plat more like "Arrogance"? Every plat I know or have talk to is haughty as fuck because of their league and yet when I play normals with them, they have far better csing than me, but they make the stupidest decisions just because they think they're ahead and just better than their opponent which ends up in them getting killed in lane or ganked.

(Of course, you find arrogance in every league, it's mostly the players themselves who like to boast because "muh mechanics" and then make it sound like it's not their fault when they feed "I got countered man nothing I can do ff20" "champ so fucking broken tryhard pls" "but look at my stats I do all this damage though")

I don't know. I think staying humble takes you places in this game. There's definitely an impact on gameplay that comes from how you see the game, between "I wanna crush the enemy" and "I want to help my team and work on my mechanics" I think it's a whole different ball game IMO. Probably the reason why I don't play ranked, it probably gets to your head eventually.
some plat are still humble, or more than humble õ_o
I'm plat, plat is shit, I'm a shit
and ye, csing is prolly the biggest difference between bronze/silver/gold/plat etc. Plat are only more capable of finding useless arguments to explain their faults, like those that you mentioned. I wonder if they'r really more intelligent in dia (plat II-I=dia V-IV tho) ,_,
f i z i k
154 posts
Joined January 2013
f i z i k

Mr Color wrote:

Isn't plat more like "Arrogance"? Every plat I know or have talk to is haughty as fuck because of their league and yet when I play normals with them, they have far better csing than me, but they make the stupidest decisions just because they think they're ahead and just better than their opponent which ends up in them getting killed in lane or ganked.
this is so true. I've been playing in every tier this season on smurfs and plat is just the worst of them all. even when I was 15/0 people still told me they know better and talked me down,it's just a horrible place :/
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Sounds just like any other solo queue game to me.
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
This has to be a joke.



If I drop one more division I will uninstall LoL.
Not gonna post anymore until I hit Platinum, wish me luck.
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy
What is with the ryze tops lately =3= ...
P r o m i s e s
P r o m i s e s

Graciee wrote:

What is with the ryze tops lately =3= ...
He counters some tanks that are played a lot, like Renekton.
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Graciee wrote:

What is with the ryze tops lately =3= ...
He counters some tanks that are played a lot, like Renekton.
I tend to run out of mana really quickly when I'm playing him, leaving me at a bad spot ._.
Sapphiire_old_1
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1 more win and i am in my promo series for silver :) #hype
P r o m i s e s
P r o m i s e s

Graciee wrote:

I tend to run out of mana really quickly when I'm playing him, leaving me at a bad spot ._.
Yeah, early game he's pretty mana hungry. You can try asking your jungler for a blue buff (if your mid doesn't need it) and you'll be fine ^^.

SoG Tava wrote:

1 more win and i am in my promo series for silver :) #hype
Good luck :3
Sapphiire_old_1
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Finaly Silver :) :) :)

Vulf
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Vulf
^ Grats! Now the true suffering begins.

Warwick rework/vu update via Twitter.

"@Danielzklein Quick question, will we be seeing the kit changes on PBE before the VU? Or not until the art is done?"

"@Warwick_Wolf not until the art is done in afraid. Kit seems pretty good atm"

In other words his relaunch won't until 2018.
Blaziken
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Blaziken
Oh boy, 4 more years until I get to find out if I should email riot and get my RP back.
Vulf
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Vulf
No way they can make his current model worse than it already is. Warwick reminds me more of a cartoony troll with shitty animations than a werewolf.

Kit wise he is going to be 100000x better (like 90% of his new kit was posted already on twitter) unless you played him in top lane. In which case you might as well refund him and his skins now because lanewick is being removed from the game.
Witch Mercy
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Witch Mercy

SoG Tava wrote:

Finaly Silver :) :) :)

ohgodfudge.
have fun in silver ;_;
Kanye West
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Kanye West
i remember the good old days when i was noob and learning to jungle with warwick

built bloodrazor first and maxed e because gotta go fast
Vulf
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Vulf

Kanye West wrote:

i remember the good old days when i was noob and learning to jungle with warwick

built bloodrazor first and maxed e because gotta go fast


The feral flare jungle item on PBE is pretty much madreds bloodrazer. Going to be a huge buff to late game jungle Warwick assuming the item doesn't get nerfed before it goes live.

One game I had like 350 on hit magic damage (115ish to champions) and around 60 (not including passive so it was almost 90 on hit with max stacks) life on hit. Note life on hit isn't like lifesteal at all since you will always heal for that amount unless grievous wounds. So yeah this item is pretty damn strong on Warwick if he makes it to late game with decent stacks.

Item will be really good on more auto attack reliant junglers like Nocturne, Jax, Yi, Trynd, or Kayle, and Shaco even.
tiper
tiper
Playing a lot on a mid-gold smurf atm. The amount of trolls and raging kiddos is so damn high.
Sapphiire_old_1
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tiper wrote:

Playing a lot on a mid-gold smurf atm. The amount of trolls and raging kiddos is so damn high.
From my experience Bronze /Silver/ (low) Gold are all the same like you said trolls and kiddos i recently duo qued with a diamond 4 player and we played againts plat people and man people in plat throws like crazy i mean they throw even harder then in bronze
Blaziken
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Blaziken
Gotta know something is wrong when I can ask myself when was the last time I won a game. Jarvan 4 is awesome to play, if I unlock the camera when ganking.
Justykanna
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Vulf wrote:



The feral flare jungle item on PBE is pretty much madreds bloodrazer. Going to be a huge buff to late game jungle Warwick assuming the item doesn't get nerfed before it goes live.

Item will be really good on more auto attack reliant junglers like Nocturne, Jax, Yi, Trynd, or Kayle, and Shaco even.
Ohhhh, looks like something my Jungle-Xin Zhao would like. =D Been on a bit of a roll with him lately.
Sapphiire_old_1
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The passive confuses me, so pretty much basic attacks deal 33%magic damage right? It also heals you, the thing that confuses me is that fact that the damage and heal is increased every time you get a kill,assist or kill a large monster....does anybody else find that to be weird? Jungle nasus? And won't it make pretty much any jungler another version of nasus? Can somebody explain it to me?
Navizel
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Navizel
Being an ass by playing a champion I never played before. In ranked.


It was fun.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

SoG Tava wrote:

The passive confuses me, so pretty much basic attacks deal 33%magic damage right? It also heals you, the thing that confuses me is that fact that the damage and heal is increased every time you get a kill,assist or kill a large monster....does anybody else find that to be weird? Jungle nasus? And won't it make pretty much any jungler another version of nasus? Can somebody explain it to me?
It will bring back farm heavy objective/team fight focused jungles because it rewards efficient balance between farming/ganking and securing vision for a superior dragon position and ensuing team fight.

And no, it's different from nasus. The item only gives stacks on large neutral monster kills and champion kills/assists so it requires you to use your time efficiently as a jungler. Nasus Q gets stacks from any last hit so you can brainlessly farm anything.
Vulf
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Vulf
It won't be optimal on every jungler. Like you necessarily wouldn't want to build it on junglers like Amumu, Maokai, and Elise.
TKiller
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TKiller

Vulf wrote:

Item will be really good on more auto attack reliant junglers like Nocturne, Jax, Yi, Trynd, or Kayle, and Shaco even.
Definitely not Nocturne. Elder lizard helps with mana sustain, has generally better stats, offers better early clear, as in, you can almost non-stop clear your jungle camps while visiting to do quick pressure ganks between ults in an absolutely ideal situation.

I wouldn't trade all that for a questionable late game-ish item on a champion I don't really want to reach late game in general.

Slightly scared at Shyvana here though, since she's the epitome of "farm heavy objective/team fight focused jungles" for me.
Vulf
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Vulf
It's actually really fucking good on nocturne. I've been playing him on PBE and the new madreds path significantly improves his early clear time. Only problem is his pre-6 ganks suffer some.

Thing is feral flare isn't really a late game item. It's just scales into it well if you play with it correctly. You can get the item around the 8 - 10 minute mark (depends on kills and counter jungling) for 1650 gold with base stats comparable to BoRK. This item is hardly a laughing matter.

Another thing I want to point out is you get stacks with machete, madreds and wriggles so you don't even have to upgrade to wriggles until you get the stacks for the transform. Yes feral flare has the same transfrom mechanic arcangel and manamune does.

If anything you can build it as a situational item. I wouldn't really want to build this item on most things when I know I'm going to have a hard early game.
Sapphiire_old_1
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This game <3 That pentakill <3
Sapphiire_old_1
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Sapphiire_old_1
A team was formed to address the recent issues in EUW. The team included platform engineers, live producer, network engineer and me.

The problem:

All of a sudden the majority of the frontend systems that the players connect to, timed out and dropped players from the platform causing a Login queue. There are other side effects such as game starts slowing down significantly.


Why does this problem occur?

One or more of nodes in the memory caching cluster encounter a “out of memory” error for their java heap. This for some reason freezes up the whole cluster for a couple of minutes causing a cascading failure.

The “nitty-gritty” details:

The front end servers, backend services and databases communicate through an intermediary memory caching layer. This is a fairly standard design. What makes us unique is that we are probably the only shop that runs more than normal number nodes in that cluster design. The node that goes out of memory for some reason was shoring up a ton of data instead of sending it over the network.

We have an automated process that restarts the nodes that run out of memory. We have been doing it for a while without an issue, however in the past few days, the restart of a node fails to happen cleanly and it ends up joining the cluster in a bad state that causes it request a ton of data causing further issues.

The steps of nodes leaving and joining the cluster is a fairly normal operation, so why was it causing issues?

We reached out to the vendor of the memory caching software. It turns out we are running into a bug that might be fixed in the newer version. We have few leads on what is causing this bug and we are verifying them.

In the mean time we are doing the following.

1) Disabling the auto restart of nodes that run out of memory to prevent this.
2) Load testing the newer version of the software.
3) Separating End of Game Stats into a separate queue to enable players to get back into game faster.


FAQ/Statements/WhynotdothisRiot:

1) “Add more servers Rito don't be stingy!”
Add more servers can/will probably exacerbate the problem. We added servers on March 6th in anticipation of the growth of EUW while Amsterdam is getting ready. There is a theory that the new systems might actually contribute to the problem and we might consider shutting them down as they were added to handle future growth for the month of March.

2) Why is this taking so long?
It does take a while to analyze heap dumps and stack traces and tie that to the appropriate root cause especially when the software is provided by a 3rd party and not something written in house.

3) If you are the shop running the largest number of nodes of this caching software is that good or bad?
Its neither good or bad. It just works, what it probably means is that we need to revisit some of the configuration values for the system. We have run loadtests before going live with some configurations. This problem in particular seems to have a hard fail somewhere in the boundary of 48-72 hours with an occasional blip in between.

4) If the node is not able to send data over the network then the network is bad!
We looked into this. The network engineers and the expert from the company that provides the memory caching layer confirmed that. Since the systems of the cluster are on the same network, they are no routing problems for the nodes in this cluster.”

5) But why does ONLY EUW suffer?
We have seen this problem show up in Vietnam, NA and in Latin America. However the frequency is higher in Vietnam and EUW.


Edit: Working on the issue that is happening right now.
Sigh .....
Vulf
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Vulf
I've always had the feeling that if it was any other gaming company (like valve for example) an issue like this would have been fixed long ago.
Sapphiire_old_1
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Sapphiire_old_1

Vulf wrote:

I've always had the feeling that if it was any other gaming company had (like valve for example) an issue like this would have been fixed long ago.
Same for me like i understand you can have some issues but tbh it is like almost every day for like what from beta ? ... they say they are doing there best ect , i think it is time to finaly see some improvement
Vulf
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Vulf
It wasn't as bad back then at least when I started playing. Just got progressively worse like mid season 2.

Server issues aside (shit happens) Riot gets away with a lot of stuff simply because they can. They are so far on top of other games in their genre it isn't even funny anymore. Fact of the matter is until some other game rises up I wouldn't expect to see any drastic improvements. Riot as a company now is definitely a shadow of their former self from 3 years ago. I really want the old Riot back. :(
tyrael6192
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tiper

Meanwhile. A gold Olaf looks so cool.
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