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Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Kanye West wrote:

lol it's better than shyvana mundo renekton every time
No it's not.

If you are playing ranged against them then maybe. Playing a melee champion against any of those 3 is one of the most frustrating lanes because you get harassed to shit for the first 10 minutes of the game. The difference between Shyvana, Mundo, and Renekton (to an extent) is that they are boring to play against so there is a pretty significant difference there. I'd take boring over frustrating any day of the week.

The only good thing that will come out of Ryze, Jayce and Kennen being played top every game is that they will get nerfed again which I have no problem with at all.
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
Oh, so now you actually have to think about successful trading and being more reliant on jungler ganks and stuff like that, it's almost like you have to use your brain in top lane for once
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
That is, if you have a way to successfully trade. If all you're forced to do is sit under tower and pray someone ganks a Jayce who's in your face without a ward, that's not very fun.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

BrokenArrow wrote:

Oh, so now you actually have to think about successful trading and being more reliant on jungler ganks and stuff like that, it's almost like you have to use your brain in top lane for once
What?

You do realize that ranged can do all of that with even less thought while being even more safe from melee and jungle ganks. Ryze is kind of the only exception here, but he builds tanky to make up for it.

Fact of the matter it's not fun to play against.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
Then pick ranged against ranged? I don't see a problem here
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
3 champions aren't supposed to hard counter a whole role of 10+ champions because they simply have the range on them (this is mostly an over exaggeration at this point). That is a problem and one of the reasons why those 3 champions got nerfed in the first place. Simply saying pick ranged against it is only a bandaid fix to the actual problem.

Honestly I'm not really worried about Jayce and Kennen too much since dorans shield is still very good against them in the early laning phase. It's mostly Ryze that will be a problem.
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
What if I told you that ranged champions always had a poke advantage over melee champs? That has always been the case and is not a problem, you simply can't always win lane. I'm honestly just happy to see some new old champions back in the top lane again.

I agree on Ryze being a bit too strong right now tho.
those
3,136 posts
Joined November 2010
those
Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

those wrote:

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
I love hearing all the people that think they do have the advantage being ranged vs a melee.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

BrokenArrow wrote:

What if I told you that ranged champions always had a poke advantage over melee champs? That has always been the case and is not a problem, you simply can't always win lane. I'm honestly just happy to see some new old champions back in the top lane again.

I agree on Ryze being a bit too strong right now tho.
That's not the problem because if it was then why ever play a melee champion? The problem is there isn't really a trade off for those champions being ranged when you compare them to other ranged stuff like Sivir for example. If stuff like Ryze, Jayce, and Kennen become the go top laners again it will make that role even more stale when it comes to champion variety. At least the tanks had niche counters.

This is all early speculation. Kennen and Jayce have to break through Dorans shield to stick, but that isn't the case with Ryze.

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
You can't really compare Gragas to the standard melee when his lowest ranged ability is 600 while being relatively tanky and safe in lane. If I could clear minion waves with Warwick and Trundle with 950 range this wouldn't be an issue. Gragas is a pretty severe issue right now and that's why he is getting reworked.

I never siad they didn't but the lack of tradeoffs for being ranged (on certain champions) is the issue here. This is NOT a ranged is better than melee discussion since what I'm talking about only applies to maybe 3-5 champions in the game.

With that aside I don't understand why gragas isn't played top more. It's just as crazy as Ryze if not worse.
Glass
Glass

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Gragas has free sustain whenever he casts a spell AND he takes less damage when his W is active, other melees don't have that. Also he can easily farm waves with his barrels, obviously he doesn't have trouble laning against ranged champions...

Justykanna wrote:

I love hearing all the people that think they do have the advantage being ranged vs a melee.
being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off
Hakeru
2,360 posts
Joined May 2010
Hakeru
Division jump OP :/

on my way to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

SPOILER
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Glass wrote:

being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off
I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Justykanna wrote:

I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-
It's literally like 4 champions that we are talking about. Ryze being the biggest offender out of them all.
No one is complaining that all ranged > melee. If it came off that way I'm sorry.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
meh ryze still has plenty of bad matchups

nidalee, orianna, lulu, vlad and mordekaiser all shit on ryze
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX
Depending on the matchup, but normally ranged do have advantage over melee, if you don't know how to make the best out of that advantage it's another thing
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph
itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
No one said the lane was unwinnable as melee either.
Glass
Glass

Zeraph wrote:

itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining
Professional players play melee against him all the time? he literally hasn't been played at all until the last week of LCS, and when he was finally played he shat all over strong tops like Renekton and Mundo. The ONE team that played Ryze top in LCS so far was CLG, and what happens after they pick him; teams that play against CLG started banning Ryze every game. Yeah pro players sure play melee against him all the time

inb4 JUST PLAY 5MAN NORMALS AND CAMP TOP :^)))))))
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too and teams never had a problem with it.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina
Ryze would've been played a lot more but he is permanently banned against Flame and Shy.
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/
Glass
Glass

Kanye West wrote:

he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too
No? He was picked ONCE in OGN since his buffs by Jin Air Green Wings (literally 0-4 team). The patch hit recently but I guarantee he'll be pick/ban for a lot of teams soon once they get more practiced with him.

Kanye West wrote:

and teams never had a problem with it.
Obviously they didn't have problems with it considering the only time he's been picked is by the last place team. That would be equivalent of saying Elise isn't retarded strong because XDG loses with her. Ryze has been banned every single game against Blaze and Frost.
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
wow!! i love freelo! ryze top main now!!
Aldwych
2,831 posts
Joined February 2012
Aldwych

Graciee wrote:

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.
Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/
I approve, he is a life bag with nuking abilities
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow

TKiller wrote:

I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.
Basically the opposite of me.. I've lost like 16 out of my last 20 rankeds and dropped almost 2 divisions in the last week. Funny thing is how I won my lane pretty much every single fucking time, roamed and tried to get other lanes ahead but every time lategame someone decides to be a horrible retarded fucker and throws the game.

..and then I discovered Ziggs. Damn, Ziggs feels good.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan

tyrael6192 wrote:

just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
I've seen sivirs spellshield EVERY SINGLE thresh hook / blitz grab I've landed. Might be this? oO
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Scripting has been a thing for years now it's just more common to run into now. Riot does nothing about it and has never really acknowledged it actually existing. 3pp's like curse voice are starting to become a thing now too.

It's really sad.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
i am getting tired of playing 'solo' Q alone i am looking for people to duo with , yes i know there is a osu! chatroom where i can ask , but that chatroom is dead so i am asking it over here so please add me on the euw server ign: SoG Tava thanks in advance
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Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken

Jordan wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

just found out that scripting is a thing

shit like automatic perfect cs, automatic skillshot prediction, automatic orb-walking, script that dodges skillshots, spacebar to execute combo

went to the script site forum and saw people being proud of reaching high plat/diamond with scripts

??????
I've seen sivirs spellshield EVERY SINGLE thresh hook / blitz grab I've landed. Might be this? oO
However they might just be that good. o.o

SoG Tava wrote:

i am getting tired of playing 'solo' Q alone i am looking for people to duo with , yes i know there is a osu! chatroom where i can ask , but that chatroom is dead so i am asking it over here so please add me on the euw server ign: SoG Tava thanks in advance
I could play with you on weekends I guess.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192

Blaziken wrote:

However they might just be that good. o.o
f i z i k
154 posts
Joined January 2013
f i z i k
bot of legends has been around forever and it also doesnt really matter as this game is less about mechanics anyways so who cares,you get people who use that shit once in a lifetime
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
yeah i've seen a cass bot like twice in the 2 years i've been playing

still, i'm pretty disappointed. for some naive reason i thought league would be free of this
Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken

tyrael6192 wrote:

Blaziken wrote:

However they might just be that good. o.o
For fuck sake I really wanted for this to not be a thing.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I'd actually welcome being able to lane against a machine.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina

Vulf wrote:

Scripting has been a thing for years now it's just more common to run into now. Riot does nothing about it and has never really acknowledged it actually existing.
There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Sankaritarina wrote:

There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Source? I have heard no such thing ever happening en masse. Only thing I've heard is people getting false banned for mouse macros, but that was like 4 years ago.
Sankaritarina
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Sankaritarina

Vulf wrote:

Sankaritarina wrote:

There was a huge banwave of script users a couple of months ago, they were instantly permabanned on all of their accounts.
Source? I have heard no such thing ever happening en masse. Only thing I've heard is people getting false banned for mouse macros, but that was like 4 years ago.
I'm gonna try to find a link but I'm not sure if the entire thread on reddit got removed.

People are still getting false banned for mouse macros, it happened to Wingofdeathx on his stream recently. xD
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