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Yeeeeeeah, this string of responses looks more scum-motivated than town-motivated.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah, well, you've already voted for me, I'm waiting for more.
it's not us trying to be mean, but you just simply change your mind way too often for a game like this. sorry, but you won't achieve anything by acting all emo and ignoring our questions, as that will just prove you scum even further.
Well, what should I do? It's always the same, I can't come out of those situations xD
The reason I asked was because if you're under fire you can find scum more easily, when you're town that is.
Irre is not outing what he thinks because it would out his scum partner.
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Vote: Irreversible
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Irre is not outing what he thinks because it would out his scum partner.
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Vote: Irreversible
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Alright, then let's analyse things a bit further.
[quote="Royston]unvote
vote: Royston[/quote]
Well, I'm still questioning what this was good for, since I don't think this is only for 'talking-stuff'. Were you panicking?
[quote="SenaSaki":1337]catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
Where is your catching up post? I'm waiting, to see what you think about all this stuff happening.
Probably the most important thing for now:
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
What an answer, why can't you offer us some real support? Well, there must be a reason that you aren't talking.Royston wrote:
Well, I can offer moral support.
[quote="Royston]unvote
vote: Royston[/quote]
Well, I'm still questioning what this was good for, since I don't think this is only for 'talking-stuff'. Were you panicking?
[quote="SenaSaki":1337]catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
Where is your catching up post? I'm waiting, to see what you think about all this stuff happening.
Probably the most important thing for now:
Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.CalignoBot wrote:
I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.
Vote: Irreversible
This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
eh.. dunno what happened to the quoting before -_-
2 Things.
1: CalignoBot if anything gets town points for helping with reaction testing (he actually never moved his vote off you), but it seems you noticed mine was a fakehammer so whatever.
2: Why are you trying to associate Royston and CalignoBot without any flips?
1: CalignoBot if anything gets town points for helping with reaction testing (he actually never moved his vote off you), but it seems you noticed mine was a fakehammer so whatever.
2: Why are you trying to associate Royston and CalignoBot without any flips?
1) Not sure if this question is asked toward me, since I don't quite get it again, I'm terribly sorry for that LOL
2) I associated them together since Royston tried to defend him, (he was answering for him). It was definetly no need there, so the question is why he's done that. I guess that he wanted to put attention on him, but yeah, that failed I suppose.
2) I associated them together since Royston tried to defend him, (he was answering for him). It was definetly no need there, so the question is why he's done that. I guess that he wanted to put attention on him, but yeah, that failed I suppose.
Again, why are you making associations without a flip? and Royston defended who? Royston if anything has been martyrized.
How, without a flip? He tried to talk for Caligno, and I'm still wondering why, it seems like panicking because I asked Caligno why he unvoted kookook all of a sudden. But there was no need to panic since it was a normal question \: But Royston isn't posting anything, and since Caligno voted me after I voted Royston as well, i suppose he's trying to get rid off me, because I voted for Royston. That's it
Your first paragraph is a huge stretch.Irreversible wrote:
Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
The second one doesn't make much sense either. I've seen both town and mafia do this sort of thing, and I have yet to see any significant divergence in the way it's done that indicates alignment. That's sufficient enough for me to disregard it as a town- or scum-tell entirely.
Your third paragraph is just completely wrong. When I initially voted you, Sakura had more of a town than scum opinion of you and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all. The second vote, as stated before, was pretty much meaningless.
And as for my activity, I don't see anything strange about it.
just wanted to make it clear: at first his twist of statements seemed as mere confusion of his to me, but every further post started to ping me pretty hard he's scum, that's why I intervened just recently and started to pressure him.CalignoBot wrote:
(...) and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all (...)
I'm not scum, that's all I have to say, if you wanna get rid of me, fine, but that's what only mafia want - get rid of townies.
You aren't doing anything town tho, so why should I believe you?
I try my best to hunt scum, because I didn't really know that I really have to put my vote on day 1 etc, yet I try my best to do that now. The main reason i didn't vote was only that i didn't want to rush things, and consider some more points, but well, I was wrong.
rEdo, who is 'us' ?rEdo wrote:
it's not us trying to be mean
And sorry that i missed this question, i actually didn't see it, too many things at once.rEdo wrote:
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.Irreversible wrote:
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
Sakura and me, as we're pushing you quite hard and you started to say stuff like "I don't even care anymore", so yeahIrreversible wrote:
rEdo, who is 'us' ?
CalignoBot apparently got active because your posts started to ping scum, as I've mentioned before, and that's what he's focusing on. he hasn't defended nor said a word about Royston (except for saying that he has no idea why Royston defended him). not sure about Roy's case, though, but he seems less scummy than you right now.Irreversible wrote:
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
I tend to get really lazy when I commit to rereading the entire game or looking into every single player in the game.
What did you expect me to say reDo? <.<
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
I might as well say that you'reIrreversible wrote:
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
Well, should I put attention on Sakura, you, dake, kookook, whoever? Nevertheless, i'm trying to show you that calignobot and royston MIGHT be scum, but yeah, nobodys believing me. This is so helpless, well it's my third game now. once i get a vote it seems like everyone wants to vote me. this sucks.
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Guys, I'm not sensing any scum motivation behind his posts, I think he's more likely to be frustrated townie, he seems to really want to help scumhunt (I put a link that's a guide to scumhunting earlier which you could read Irre) but more clueless about it.
P-Edit: So this is interesting, why do you think it's CalignoBot?
Guys, I'm not sensing any scum motivation behind his posts, I think he's more likely to be frustrated townie, he seems to really want to help scumhunt (I put a link that's a guide to scumhunting earlier which you could read Irre) but more clueless about it.
P-Edit: So this is interesting, why do you think it's CalignoBot?
Oh, and please don't tell me i'm acting defensive, which makes me even more scumlike. obviously it lacks experience here, i've read some guides as well, but yeah, seems like i should do everything right from begin on, what didn't happen again, so.. yeah
So here's the thing, I'm gonna copy something from mastin and tell you then.
There's 2 out of 9 scum in this game = 22,2%, remove yourself since you know yourself to be town it's 2 out of 8 = 25%, Now let's say add in 1 or 2 townreads that you've managed to get via interaction that makes it 2 out of 6 = 33,3% that's very well damn worth voting and start getting making your own personal investigation.
If it's better for you start by townhunting until you get 1 or 2 townreads, then start scumhunting the rest.
There's 2 out of 9 scum in this game = 22,2%, remove yourself since you know yourself to be town it's 2 out of 8 = 25%, Now let's say add in 1 or 2 townreads that you've managed to get via interaction that makes it 2 out of 6 = 33,3% that's very well damn worth voting and start getting making your own personal investigation.
If it's better for you start by townhunting until you get 1 or 2 townreads, then start scumhunting the rest.
It's funny how nearly all mafias i play in turn into a tutorial.. eh 
Well, all the things I say tend to be wrong, said by him, he's not bothered by his activity as well. He seems desinteressed by our votes against him, because most of the votes are currently on me, so he hasn't to be scared of anything.. if he can prove that he's not scum, well then let's see further tomorrow, i'm going to sleep now.
Well, all the things I say tend to be wrong, said by him, he's not bothered by his activity as well. He seems desinteressed by our votes against him, because most of the votes are currently on me, so he hasn't to be scared of anything.. if he can prove that he's not scum, well then let's see further tomorrow, i'm going to sleep now.
ehh. with our votes i mean my vote * (second sentence)
It's a newbie game, deal with itIrreversible wrote:
It's funny how nearly all mafias i play in turn into a tutorial.. eh
must be annoying to read my silly stuff, well. xD
To explain my thought process, I just finished reading Caligno's post saying he unvoted kook because he was afraid he was at L-1 and then I saw Irreversible ask why he unvoted kook. Well... I felt like I had to say something.
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Vote: Royston
Topic Starter
I'll do a votecount when I get home. There WILL be more Ratboy Genius, Mod gonna deliver to ya.
Sephibro has asked to replace kook but Quotes was kinda first on the mark so I'll ask him first. For now, keep playing.
Sephibro has asked to replace kook but Quotes was kinda first on the mark so I'll ask him first. For now, keep playing.
Royston wrote:
How confident are you in that?Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
[/quote]Royston wrote:
How confident are you in that?
83%
now it's 90%
Topic Starter
Votecount 1.2:
Did I mention that if majority isn't reached, no lynch will happen? Well, I'm telling you that now. Also, I'm extending the deadline until kook gets a replacement. Thanks.
Royston (3) - kook, Royston, Sakura
Irreversible (2) - rEdo, Caligno
Sakura (1) - SenaSaki
kookookook (1) - Dake
CalignoBot (1) - Irreversible
Tell me if I got that wrong.
I believe Irreversible has a vote on Caligno, not me.
Also kook is still voting for me I think
Also kook is still voting for me I think
Topic Starter
Quotes has been PM'd to try and replace...kook. Otherwise Sephi is taking it.
Also, Royston. Stop asking for more votes on yourself, that really shits me.
Also, Royston. Stop asking for more votes on yourself, that really shits me.
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
Caught appeasing scum is caught.Irreversible wrote:
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
Unvote: Irreversible
Vote: Royston
Yeah, these last few posts of his have a really slimy feel to them.
Vote: Royston
Yeah, these last few posts of his have a really slimy feel to them.
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?rEdo wrote:
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.DakeDekaane wrote:
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.
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Vote: Irreversible
Honestly, I'm still not sure about the whole Royston thing. Some of his stuff are pinging a little, but I don't agree with you guys on a few of the other stuff.
Honestly, this doesn't really ping at me, he's just helping to clarify for someone else. I can't really read an ulterior motive from this.Royston wrote:
Um, I'm pretty sure he unvoted to avoid having kook at L-1. He said that in his post...
The self-vote is a can of worms I don't know how to deal with nor do I really want to. His self-vote was unprovoked, but then his explanation, while logical, does completely skip around his "pressure" line before the self-vote. I really don't know what to think of this.
Yeah, as I've said, seems to be clarification imo. However, "I felt like I had to say something" seems a little oddly phrased, like "posting for the sake of posting" kind of way, which makes me slightly uncomfortable.Royston wrote:
To explain my thought process, I just finished reading Caligno's post saying he unvoted kook because he was afraid he was at L-1 and then I saw Irreversible ask why he unvoted kook. Well... I felt like I had to say something.
Maybe I should change my avatar a bit, but it's clear rEdo is talking about Irre there, as I haven't sheeped Sakura in any moment.
The deadline is near I think, so I'll unvote until the vote count as it seems you're focusing on Royston instead kook.
Prod dodge, whee.
The deadline is near I think, so I'll unvote until the vote count as it seems you're focusing on Royston instead kook.
Prod dodge, whee.
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".
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gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
Topic Starter
Quotes replaces kook, effective immediately.
Deadline has been extended to end 2 or 3 days from now.
Deadline has been extended to end 2 or 3 days from now.
Caligno, is it true that you just vote that you voted? It seems like this, because lately you just post your vote, and 1-2 sentences, that's it.
Welcome Quotes, please catch up and give us your thoughts and reads please.
I'd also like your thoughts on your predecessor.
I'd also like your thoughts on your predecessor.
"My previous self seemed scummy. We should probably vote for- oh, wait."
I have my reasons to askCalignoBot wrote:
How is his thoughts on his predecessor useful?
wut. For like 3/4 of that post you were saying Irreversible was acting really suspicious and you decide to unvote him and say he's getting town points? I don't get it.rEdo wrote:
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".
Unvote
gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
I was afraid Lilac was going to modkill me for being retarded (see rule 1) or something like that.Irreversible wrote:
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
YesCalignoBot wrote:
Are they going to be explained later?
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Hi all!
Gave the thread a cursory glance this morning, thought I would have time to do more formal reads now but I don't. Expect a good amount of stuff from me in 10 hours.
Hi all!
Gave the thread a cursory glance this morning, thought I would have time to do more formal reads now but I don't. Expect a good amount of stuff from me in 10 hours.
Nevermind, homework can be done in the morning.
At the moment I've glanced through everything once, and on my second go-through with a bit more reading, I'm currently at I think 11 pages in. I'll have a better post in 9 hours or so but I wanted something down before I went to sleep.
My first thought is holy fuck why is no one voting for rEdo
Vote: rEdo
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
Does anyone know how to iso on this forum? Is there an easy way to search for posts by user? I had to search in the bottom bar for "rEdo" and had to search through everyone who said his name, which is annoying. I just want his posts iso'd and clicking on the username just takes me to their osu profile.
@Sakura, I think the person I subbed in for was trying to generate discussion and generally doesn't know what to look for in scumhunting. The ruling out of B and 1 is consistent with his "boring" claim considering they are the two set ups with nilla village/nilla scum. While counter-productive and can lead to easy rolefishing for scum, the manner in which he did it read honest and town and I really don't understand why the wagon on him lasted as long as it did. Half the day seems wasted talking about what the heck an IIoA is rather than actually scumhunting. Thanks,Obama Sakura.
Any more questions for me to answer and I'm happy to do so. I'll do another quick scan before sleeping to see if anyone wanted me to answer anything else.
At the moment I've glanced through everything once, and on my second go-through with a bit more reading, I'm currently at I think 11 pages in. I'll have a better post in 9 hours or so but I wanted something down before I went to sleep.
My first thought is holy fuck why is no one voting for rEdo
Vote: rEdo
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
Does anyone know how to iso on this forum? Is there an easy way to search for posts by user? I had to search in the bottom bar for "rEdo" and had to search through everyone who said his name, which is annoying. I just want his posts iso'd and clicking on the username just takes me to their osu profile.
@Sakura, I think the person I subbed in for was trying to generate discussion and generally doesn't know what to look for in scumhunting. The ruling out of B and 1 is consistent with his "boring" claim considering they are the two set ups with nilla village/nilla scum. While counter-productive and can lead to easy rolefishing for scum, the manner in which he did it read honest and town and I really don't understand why the wagon on him lasted as long as it did. Half the day seems wasted talking about what the heck an IIoA is rather than actually scumhunting. Thanks,
Any more questions for me to answer and I'm happy to do so. I'll do another quick scan before sleeping to see if anyone wanted me to answer anything else.
Nope, didn't see anything else.
rEdo/Sakura scumteam heard it here first.
Night!
rEdo/Sakura scumteam heard it here first.
Night!
ISOs: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2563120
Interesting catch there. Another thing thing I also noticed was rEdo's vote that placed kook on L-1 was also after Sakura talked about Saki liking to Quickhammer.Quotes wrote:
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
And speaking of Saki
Prod Saki again, last post 3 days ago
Prod Saki again, last post 3 days ago
Now I'm wondering o.oSakura wrote:
YesCalignoBot wrote:
Are they going to be explained later?
@Quotes, can you list up some of the RVS? I'm interested which you think have been voted randomly.
Normally when people replace into scumslots tend to give some amished tell, which is why when people replace in I always ask them their thoughts on their predecessor.
@Jinxy, while I am glad that my preliminary vote on rEdo is interesting to you, you do nothing about it. Why?
@IrreversibleI was referring more to the general idea of the Random Voting Stage than any particular votes. Every game (for the most part) starts with some people voting for reasons that are far from the most persuasive, but they get people talking.
@Sakura, what do you mean by an Amished tell?
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
@IrreversibleI was referring more to the general idea of the Random Voting Stage than any particular votes. Every game (for the most part) starts with some people voting for reasons that are far from the most persuasive, but they get people talking.
@Sakura, what do you mean by an Amished tell?
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.Quotes wrote:
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?Quotes wrote:
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
Because I was waiting for more people, including rEdo himself, to comment or explain on it.Quotes wrote:
@Jinxy, while I am glad that my preliminary vote on rEdo is interesting to you, you do nothing about it. Why?
Well, the time checks out. I think. Timezones and shit.rEdo wrote:
the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.
However, there was no way your "forcing" would have worked. Your vote put him on L-1 and after Sakura talked about
I'm p. sure I had voted somewhere else before rEdo put his vote, otherwise I'd have given an L-1 warning since rEdo didnt.
Also when I posted the screenshot the silence was already over (notice how there's no "person cannot speak for another X hours/minutes/stuff")
Also when I posted the screenshot the silence was already over (notice how there's no "person cannot speak for another X hours/minutes/stuff")
I moved my vote from kookookook to Irreversible here: p/2555851 Leaving kookookook at L-3
rEdo votes kookookook here: p/2557144 Putting him back at L-2, this is way many pages after I mentioned the Saki issue and like a page or so after I mentioned the silence.
Seems to me here like someone's twisting the facts, or simply didnt read the thread well enough.
FoS: Quotes
rEdo votes kookookook here: p/2557144 Putting him back at L-2, this is way many pages after I mentioned the Saki issue and like a page or so after I mentioned the silence.
Seems to me here like someone's twisting the facts, or simply didnt read the thread well enough.
FoS: Quotes
Oh wait, it was Jinxy who brought that up.
FoS: Jinxy instead.
FoS: Jinxy instead.
I honestly wasn't paying attention to the votes due to the compulsory-unvote rule, so Cali's next post made me think that rEdo did put kook on L-1.
Also, it doesn't matter when you said the Saki issue, if rEdo was scum, he could have just remembered it then and tried his luck, is what I was thinking.
Also, it doesn't matter when you said the Saki issue, if rEdo was scum, he could have just remembered it then and tried his luck, is what I was thinking.
>I wasn't paying attention to the votesJinxy wrote:
I honestly wasn't paying attention to the votes due to the compulsory-unvote rule, so Cali's next post made me think that rEdo did put kook on L-1.
>Another thing I also noticed was rEdo's vote that placed kook on L-1 was also after Sakura talked about Saki liking to Quickhammer
are you for real now? that's an accusation taken from the air.
Like I said, Cali's next post and Quotes's observation
So you werent paying attention to the votes, yet you noticed that rEdo voted him (even tho it was L-2 and not L-1 vote)
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
but, you see, L-1 wasn't even the case this time, yet he was pretty much basing on that. I also wanted to mention that I've already had kook in my scum suspects, and now that Quotes replaced him, and you immediately tag along his theories... meh. I won't be the scapegoat for scum, sorry.Jinxy wrote:
Like I said, Cali's next post and Quotes's observation
Vote: Jinxy
FoS: Quotes
Scumteam seems mad I figured them out.
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
@all regarding being wrong about the L-1 thing, I mostly read into that from the CalignoBot post and someone mentioning that it was L-1 immediately following the vote. I wasn't tracking votes and I don't remember seeing a particularly recent vote count so it stood out to me. Regardless of it being L-1, the act itself is either scummy or stupid. Placing another vote wasn't going to suddenly make kook active; he'd either come back or he wouldn't, and placing more votes on him just risks a quick hammer rather than actually scumhunting with semi-active to active players.
Back to reading, will post more.
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?Either is blatant buddying or is trying to use Sakura's act of being the one leading the Irreversible push as a reason why HE is townie, both of which are scummy.
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
@all regarding being wrong about the L-1 thing, I mostly read into that from the CalignoBot post and someone mentioning that it was L-1 immediately following the vote. I wasn't tracking votes and I don't remember seeing a particularly recent vote count so it stood out to me. Regardless of it being L-1, the act itself is either scummy or stupid. Placing another vote wasn't going to suddenly make kook active; he'd either come back or he wouldn't, and placing more votes on him just risks a quick hammer rather than actually scumhunting with semi-active to active players.
Back to reading, will post more.
rEdo's buddying has been noted, tho it doesnt mean much until one of my scumspects flip.
Bahahaha iso'ing Sakura is hilarious
Pressure on literally every user but rEdo. Here are all of Sakura's interactions with rEdo:
Pressure on literally every user but rEdo. Here are all of Sakura's interactions with rEdo:
This is it. The closest that Sakura comes for the rest of the game is after Caligno posts an FOS on rEdo, she posts:Sakura wrote:
Yes I did, it has a reason and I'll explain after Irre's reply.rEdo wrote:
@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
Redirecting any possible pressure that would be placed on rEdo. Even now Sakura refuses to interact with rEdo as if she is afraid he'll say something stupid.Sakura wrote:
I'm actually thinking irreversible has higher chance of flipping scum, but i kind of feel bad because i have that feeling every game with him =/
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Oops I lied I missed one
Proceeds to tunnel kook's rolefishing and ignores all of rEdo's, which I will post about in great detail next!Sakura wrote:
In that case it makes it even MORE suspicious, no PR would give him/herself away this soon without heavy fire at them, consider that he started getting voted by other people after that statement, not before.
Why are you making associations without flips?
Wtf it's saying I can only embed 2 quotes within another, hold up lemme see how I can fix this.
It's early in the day; some speculation on set up is understandable if there is nothing else to start discussion. Slight scumread on "oh man i REALLY hope they don't have a roleblocker" in the same vein of "damn the doctor died." Not a solid read but this isn't a pro-town post.rEdo wrote:
yup, they can narrow up to two possibilities: either {B, C, 1, 3} if they've got two Goons or {A, 2} if they've got a roleblocker, which I hope isn't the case this time. we have no idea what's the scenario, though, so I guess it would be safer to consider that they've got a roleblocker, just in case it's actually true.Royston wrote:
Keep in mind that mafia already has some knowledge of the setup, based on if they have a roleblocker or not.
Anti-town. Not necessarily scummy as my read on kook suggests but something to keep in mind.rEdo wrote:
kook's saying that these setups are boring could be a slight way to claim a role, you know. he could've wanted to narrow up the possible setups, in order for us to give hints about his role, so I wouldn't be that sure about suspecting him right away.
but yeah, I kinda question myself what would be the reason for that...
Sheeps Sakura's pressure on kook's rolefishing despite his last 2 posts coming off as slight apologies for what kook was posting. Wishy-washy implies very easily influenced townie or scum. Leans scum.rEdo wrote:
sounds interesting if that's how you think of it. I'd like to hear something from him first, though. kook, why did you think these two setups aren't likely to happen? are you really a PR, or just trying to cover up something you don't know?
FoS: kookookook
for some reason this makes me think that it's his way of saying "I'm not a Vanilla, I've got a PR". might've been overinterpretting things, though.[/quote]rEdo wrote:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.DakeDekaane wrote:
[quote="kookookook"I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
Continues to role fish and indicates a belief that kook is a PR.
Is totally fine with then voting his PR lead and then with lynching him. "...or so I'd say if he wasn't lying" what the heck does this even mean? This is a horrendous post. Incredibly inconsistent with what his townie thoughts on the game would be and instead if hoping to take a pot shot at a villager speculating on set up in hopes he is a PR.rEdo wrote:
I don't know if he's town, it just looks like a slight newbie's play for claiming town with some role to me... or so I'd say if he wasn't lying.Sakura wrote:
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.ain't necessarily PR-hunting, I already said I wanna hear from him at first, and that way of talking is supposed to be a motivator for him to prove that he's not scum. I already mentioned he's a suspect to me, so if he won't talk, I'm okay with using a vote on him.CalignoBot wrote:
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
rEdo wrote:
now that was mean, Sakura :(
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
Next post is a vote on his PR lead when kook has been super inactive and voting him will do nothing to add pressure. Buddies Sakura.
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.rEdo wrote:
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.DakeDekaane wrote:
[quote="Sakura"Hint: he's not town.
Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
also,
Mod: requesting for a replacement for kookookook. he's probably not gonna say anything that could help us, anyway. the only things he's done this game were some scumpings on page 5 and speculating the setup, saying two certain set-ups ain't gonna be used because they're "too boring".[/quote]
Unvotes after realizing kook is inactive is pro-town. Buddying Sakura once again and being angry that someone doesn't agree with her is scummy and blatant buddying. "tsk tsk" sounds incredibly fake as well
Pressing Irreversible is pro-town. Implying he is voting Royston out of following the Sakura wagon is hilariously hypocritical but not necessarily scummy. Believes Royston's action to be dumb town.rEdo wrote:
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.Irreversible wrote:
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
A couple fluff posts including the Sakura interaction here. Whatever.
Makes excuses for himself and his read with 0 pressure on him. Scummy.rEdo wrote:
just wanted to make it clear: at first his twist of statements seemed as mere confusion of his to me, but every further post started to ping me pretty hard he's scum, that's why I intervened just recently and started to pressure him.CalignoBot wrote:
(...) and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all (...)
Royston read stays consistent; Towny. Once again says "Sakura and I" and then Caligno is mentioned as sort of an add on. Fairly null outside of a bit of buddying to Sakura, can be read as just inflating how much pressure he personally has done.rEdo wrote:
Sakura and me, as we're pushing you quite hard and you started to say stuff like "I don't even care anymore", so yeahIrreversible wrote:
rEdo, who is 'us' ?CalignoBot apparently got active because your posts started to ping scum, as I've mentioned before, and that's what he's focusing on. he hasn't defended nor said a word about Royston (except for saying that he has no idea why Royston defended him). not sure about Roy's case, though, but he seems less scummy than you right now.Irreversible wrote:
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
Zero indication of why he now thinks Irreversible is getting townpoints indicates scum just riding bandwagons and pressure, also slight buddying to allowing Sakura to control the tempo of the game and trusting her. Royston read semi-consistent but wants more content which is fair, does start to waver on Royston based on things that before made him think town, but it's done in a semi-authentic way imo. Avatar thing is fine.rEdo wrote:
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".
Unvote
gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
Why not speculate on partners? It's useful information, and I will have one of you two lynched today, because one of the two of you will provide by far the most information on who is scum this game.
I'll respond to more recent stuff later, I have a 2 page paper to write. Be back in 6 hours!
Oh and another reason I forgot is because I don't actually trust anyone in this village to press you Sakura, other than CalignoBot or Saki and neither of them seem to be willing to press particularly hard (especially with Saki being afk).
Oh and another reason I forgot is because I don't actually trust anyone in this village to press you Sakura, other than CalignoBot or Saki and neither of them seem to be willing to press particularly hard (especially with Saki being afk).
Oh wait, this set up doesn't show scum flip on death?
now that was mean :(Quotes wrote:
Redirecting any possible pressure that would be placed on rEdo. Even now Sakura refuses to interact with rEdo as if she is afraid he'll say something stupid.
the reason is simple - our scumsuspects were similar, and that's it. plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D if we both were scum, we wouldn't just blatantly duo-force people to talk, that would seem way too obvious for air-headed people like you, isn't that right? Sakura seems rather town to me, so I guessed it would be easier to say that she's hunting scum that actually defending myself, since you wouldn't believe me with this attitude anyway.Quotes wrote:
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
about giving you a decent reason why I'm not scum - I've tried to make people who looked scummy in my eyes talk. my suspects were kook, recently Jinxy and Irreversible so far, and since I saw Sakura trying to make him talk, I didn't see a reason why I shouldn't tag along - pressure from even more people makes people more likely to talk. I have indeed buddied up to Sakura at that point, but that's the end to it. however, I haven't heard a single word from kook yet, which leaves me really unsatisfied. as for now I could say that Royston is also acting pretty weird, but it's not enough for me to make any accusiations, as right now I wanna push an another wagon anyway, and I believe I'm working in a good way.
like I said, I haven't heard a word from kook yet, and this is where I ask you the same question - please give me a reason why you aren't scum. that whole accusiation just pings me even harder that you've got potential to be scum. I could also browse through your ISO thoroughly, but you just popped out of nowhere and picked a person which changed his opinions more than everybody else, which places me in a worse spot as a townie just in order to get an easy lynch today.
It does, newbies arent bastard
Partner speculation early on will really hurt town in the long run, suppose you lynch me, I flip town then you're gonna say "So rEdo's scum for buddying her" suppose he flips town too, then you're at LyLo with zero info to go on and scumhunt, if someone flips scum then yes, their interactions are something to look at.
Otherwise looks like a nice way for scum to setup mislynches for others.
Partner speculation early on will really hurt town in the long run, suppose you lynch me, I flip town then you're gonna say "So rEdo's scum for buddying her" suppose he flips town too, then you're at LyLo with zero info to go on and scumhunt, if someone flips scum then yes, their interactions are something to look at.
Otherwise looks like a nice way for scum to setup mislynches for others.
And yes i consider your interaction analisis almost as bad as the TvS tell.
Ok I was going to be really mad if I was in a game with no cardflip. I hate no cardflip, there's no reward after a lynch of knowing you lynched correctly or not.
...Seriously? I thought it was obvious that I meant the votecount, since the extra requirement makes it harder to know which votes actually count. Who the heck doesn't notice bolded votes?Sakura wrote:
So you werent paying attention to the votes, yet you noticed that rEdo voted him (even tho it was L-2 and not L-1 vote)
Trying to explain away an anti-town tell with the classic "I always do that" excuse, I see.rEdo wrote:
plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D
Wait, what? This is pinging me. Someone else catches you being inconsistent, and you're calling him scummy for it?rEdo wrote:
I could also browse through [Quotes's] ISO thoroughly, but [he] just popped out of nowhere and picked a person which changed his opinions more than everybody else, which places me in a worse spot as a townie just in order to get an easy lynch today.
Vote: rEdo
What's the TvS tell?Sakura wrote:
And yes i consider your interaction analisis almost as bad as the TvS tell.
TvS tell when scum sees 2 townies arguing and says "This is a Town vs Scum fight" hence gets one lynched and flips town and goes "Oh then the scum is the other one" then lynches the other one who also flips town, then they scored 2 mislynches without much effort, which is why when someone says that they consider it a scumtell.
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Well, first of all, I understand the word 'flip' itself, but I don't really get the meaning of it - what do you mean with that when you're talking about it? Sakura, you've asked me this question once, and I didn't answer to it, because I didn't understand why you I were voting without flipping.
Secondly, reDo, you're wagonning so much aren't you? You've just did it again. Mostly with Sakura as well, but I don't think you both would make it so suspicious. With your last post that kook isn't posting you've made yourself a bit more scumside, because you've mentioned him several times in your post, which shows me a kind of panic that people get their votes on you, while you try to put attention on kook.
About Caligno: Why so quiet AGAIN?
And Quotes: About the random voting stuff. I thought you mean the normal posts, but as I saw you were talking about the first random votes, well, ok.
Well, first of all, I understand the word 'flip' itself, but I don't really get the meaning of it - what do you mean with that when you're talking about it? Sakura, you've asked me this question once, and I didn't answer to it, because I didn't understand why you I were voting without flipping.
Secondly, reDo, you're wagonning so much aren't you? You've just did it again. Mostly with Sakura as well, but I don't think you both would make it so suspicious. With your last post that kook isn't posting you've made yourself a bit more scumside, because you've mentioned him several times in your post, which shows me a kind of panic that people get their votes on you, while you try to put attention on kook.
About Caligno: Why so quiet AGAIN?
And Quotes: About the random voting stuff. I thought you mean the normal posts, but as I saw you were talking about the first random votes, well, ok.
flipping is when the mod reveals the alignment and role of a player (usually by death)
not necessarily wagoning, I just wanted to clarify the fact that kook wasn't active at all, while giving me a gloomy feeling with his posts. that's why I'm forcing that statement, and that I'd like to hear why Quotes would not be scum. however, he has no real ISO except for accusing me, and that's rather frustrating that he can just mock people with a high possibility of being scum himself, and nobody can post anything against him. also, at the same time Quotes got into the game, Jinxy gave me a feeling of being way more confident in his posts, and that gave me even more of a gloomy feeling, hence my vote.Irreversible wrote:
Secondly, reDo, you're wagonning so much aren't you? You've just did it again. Mostly with Sakura as well, but I don't think you both would make it so suspicious. With your last post that kook isn't posting you've made yourself a bit more scumside, because you've mentioned him several times in your post, which shows me a kind of panic that people get their votes on you, while you try to put attention on kook.