I disagree. Rushing is a good way to start getting reads from people out of reactions and forming stances based on the current wagons, which gives scum less places to hide.kookookook wrote:
Asking CalignoBot to vote. ppl will vote in their posts if they think it's necessary. Rushing is never a good way, especially in the start of a day.
Yes. 5 minutes right after his post.DakeDekaane wrote:
So this was a "reaction test" directed to Sakura? really?
Maybe I should Vote: kookookook.
seconded. knowing the setup won't do much for us, it'll be better for scum. maybe that's why you wanna know?DakeDekaane wrote:
@kookookook: why do you want to know about the setup?
Keep in mind that mafia already has some knowledge of the setup, based on if they have a roleblocker or not.rEdo wrote:
seconded. knowing the setup won't do much for us, it'll be better for scum. maybe that's why you wanna know?DakeDekaane wrote:
@kookookook: why do you want to know about the setup?
yup, they can narrow up to two possibilities: either {B, C, 1, 3} if they've got two Goons or {A, 2} if they've got a roleblocker, which I hope isn't the case this time. we have no idea what's the scenario, though, so I guess it would be safer to consider that they've got a roleblocker, just in case it's actually true.Royston wrote:
Keep in mind that mafia already has some knowledge of the setup, based on if they have a roleblocker or not.
Not always. I can remember this really well of my first mafia game.Sakura wrote:
Wagons give information, putting votes everywhere without reason doesn't.kookookook wrote:
Trying to persuade someone to vote other which has a vote already in D1 is a mafia behaviour.
Only mafia will try to end the day as soon as possible.
Pretty much, yeah.CalignoBot wrote:
Does Saki always play like this?
Wait, could you explain exactly which part of his posts showed inside info? I get the IIoA and Fishing from his setup speculation post, but not the inside info part.Sakura wrote:
@Royston: That's what i meant by Inside Information in one of the things i had against kookookook
This is pinging to me slightly. You don't like to use outside experience, but you just stop voting Sena because of what Sakura posted?CalignoBot wrote:
I'm heavily against using outside experience for meta arguments, so I'll just assume you know what you're talking about for now.
He seems to know close to what setups are in play.Jinxy wrote:
Wait, could you explain exactly which part of his posts showed inside info? I get the IIoA and Fishing from his setup speculation post, but not the inside info part.Sakura wrote:
@Royston: That's what i meant by Inside Information in one of the things i had against kookookook
kookookook wrote:
What do you guys think the set-up is? I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
I can see where you're coming from, but to me it reads more as a really dumb reason (can't be x because x is boring) than no reason. Besides, if he did know inside information which allows him to rule out setups, I really don't think he would just freely talk about it, even as a random post.Sakura wrote:
He's already ruling out 2 possible setups for apparently no reason.
It was just really shitty wording.Jinxy wrote:
This is pinging to me slightly. You don't like to use outside experience, but you just stop voting Sena because of what Sakura posted?CalignoBot wrote:
I'm heavily against using outside experience for meta arguments, so I'll just assume you know what you're talking about for now.
And I'm the only one on this side of the earth for this game aren't I
Well, some people might not really analyze the situation, don't know what to vote, and just vote something, that they voted something.Sakura wrote:
If so then explain to me how wagons dont give information and how puttinv votes everywhere without reason helps finding scum.
Never said I don't think he's not scum, and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.Sakura wrote:
I am looking at the other people actually, seeing the tone and motivation behind their posts in the way they vote or stay off the wagon or push something else, wagons generate reactions, not necessarily only from the person being wagoned but from the people outside of the wagon (like what you're replying right now) even if the votes were random.
Here's some insight for you, do you really think that people just roll a die and vote whoever the die tells them? All people have at the start of the game is the information on their Role PM, as much as they want their votes to be random, they won't be.
If by the end everyone has voted and everyone has 1 vote on them, then yeah that won't give much info, which is why I encourage people getting at least 2 votes (or 3 or 4 in larger games) during RVS, then people are forced to take a stance, which eliminates hiding places for scum.
I know your stance already, you dont think kookookook is scum, which is why you're doubting the wagon is heading in the right direction, that's already info to work with, even without you directly participating in the wagon.
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.kookookook wrote:
I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
for some reason this makes me think that it's his way of saying "I'm not a Vanilla, I've got a PR". might've been overinterpretting things, though.DakeDekaane wrote:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.kookookook wrote:
I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think he's not scum, and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Irreversible wrote:
@Dake, a silly vote for kookook because he wanted to make a reaction test? are there any other reasons, or did your mind change?
This part isn't quite reading right to me for some reason. Like, he considers votes on kook "silly", and then tries to back out of Sakura's interpretation that he thinks kook isn't scum, a bit too defensively.Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think [kookookook is] not scum. (Double negative?)
I don't know if he's town, it just looks like a slight newbie's play for claiming town with some role to me... or so I'd say if he wasn't lying.Sakura wrote:
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.
ain't necessarily PR-hunting, I already said I wanna hear from him at first, and that way of talking is supposed to be a motivator for him to prove that he's not scum. I already mentioned he's a suspect to me, so if he won't talk, I'm okay with using a vote on him.CalignoBot wrote:
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
At least try to do something?Royston wrote:
Sorry for inactivity. I don't really have anything to add. I suck at D1, sorry.
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
Irreversible wrote:
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
Basically, you say Sakura has a good point that wagoning generates reactions, then you say that Sakura was just "inventing" the idea that people being forced to take a stance will make it harder for scum to hide. These two parts don't mesh at all, taking a stance is a reaction.Irreversible wrote:
and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Try to feel how I do, I don't discredit you at all, it's just quite annoying that it doesn't matter at all what I write, I'm the bad one for you.... but yeah, just do what ever you want, I shouldn't go on discussing about it, since you'll surely use this against me at one point for sure. Sorry for that I think like this, but yeah.Sakura wrote:
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
And please don't tell me it's wrong now to wait until the others post. It's just the activity, since not many people are posting frequently.Sakura wrote:
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
Sakura wrote:
I'm not the same person you played with before tho, I have about 10+ games under my belt
So what is the town motivation behind this again?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston